Bibi rebuffs Barack on settlements

posted at 1:15 pm on May 24, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

It didn’t take long for Benjamin Netanyahu to find a reason to rebuke Barack Obama publicly.  After the White House demanded an end to settlement growth and expansion of Israeli areas of Jerusalem and adherence to the “road map” long abandoned by both sides, the Israeli Prime Minister told the American President to butt out of Israel’s internal affairs:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday rebuffed U.S. calls for a full settlement freeze in the occupied West Bank and vowed not to accept limits on building of Jewish enclaves within Jerusalem.

The note of defiance set the stage for a possible showdown with U.S. President Barack Obama’s administration, which, in talks with Netanyahu in Washington last week, pressed for a halt to all settlement activity, including natural growth, as called for under a long-stalled peace “road map.”

“The demand for a total stop to building is not something that can be justified and I don’t think that anyone here at this table accepts it,” Netanyahu told his cabinet, referring to Jewish settlements in the West Bank, according to an official.

Netanyahu said Israel had no plans to set up any new West Bank settlements. But he told Obama, according to the official, that his government “does not accept limitations on building” within what Israel defines as its capital, the Jerusalem municipality, an area that includes Arab East Jerusalem and parts of the West Bank captured in a 1967 Middle East war.

One can cheer this in at least one aspect.  It sends notice to Obama that Israel will not allow itself to become a doormat to Obama’s ambitions in the Middle East.  Israel has no reason to have any confidence in the road map, and Obama’s insistence on unilateral compliance is laughable just a few weeks after Hamas provoked a war in Gaza.  The Palestinians have done nothing to comply with the road map requirements, and Israel rightly objects to being held accountable alone for its responsibilities.

On the other hand, the settlements will have to get re-thought in any two-state solution.  No state can abide enclaves of non-sovereign territory within itself, especially with sovereignty given to a hostile state.  Israel will likely have to trade land for the settlements in any peace accord, an outcome hotly opposed by Israel’s allies but the only outcome that has even a chance of long-term success in an eventual two-state solution — which is still officially the position of both Israel and the United States.  Expanding the settlements now looks more like a play for a better land-swap deal at the end.

Netanyahu didn’t say he would expand the settlements, and that wasn’t really the thrust of his message anyway.  He got elected in part to defend Israeli sovereignty, and the Obama administration will give him plenty of opportunities to do that.  That could help boost Obama’s standing as a peacemaker in the region, too — a move that could benefit both men.


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I guess the Bush-Haters are seeing how the world deals with a eunuch and a cowboy. Cowboys are down to earth and if you don’t like their message. live with it. Nobody respects a eunuch on the world stage. The European Union knows it can makes gains for nothing with Obama, while Bush didn’t have the playground mentality of wanting “to be liked”.

volsense on May 24, 2009 at 4:07 PM

radiofreevillage on May 24, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Prolly need to wash your Che t-shirt, you’re getting it all sweaty from your outrage.

cs89 on May 24, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Bibi should have framed it a bit differently, as in “We’ll stop building in Jeruselum as soon as Americans stop building in Washington DC”.

Heck, these guys can’t even run OUR country, why do they think they have the right to run someone elses?

Romeo13 on May 24, 2009 at 4:14 PM

The tone is set for O’s Eqyptian speech:
“Mr Netanyahu, tear down those settlements!”

Ladywolfnl on May 24, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Welcome back Ed.

Sapwolf on May 24, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Hmmmmm. Seems Netanyahu is immune to Kool-Aid?

Sapwolf on May 24, 2009 at 4:46 PM

OT: someone opened up a F***Israel shop at Cafe Press. This is a violation of Cafe Press’ own Content Usage Policy.

Appropriate complaints can be emailed to Cafe Press at cup@cafepress.com. Cafe Press shop smackdown!

Shy Guy on May 24, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Cafepress sent an auto-reply that they will address my email within 24 hours. Their customer service is closed now (Sunday in the US) and we have a holiday Monday.

And I don’t think your post was “OT.” Certainly “OS” as in “on subject.”

65droptop on May 24, 2009 at 4:46 PM

For the first time in my adult life, I’m really proud to see somebody smack down the president of the United States!

Star20 on May 24, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Uh oh… Obama’s family is not going to like this news…

Upstater85 on May 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Prolly need to wash your Che t-shirt, you’re getting it all sweaty from your outrage.

I’m not outraged. Ed and 80% of commenters here are just like the fringes on the left.

“OMFG, we’re so totally seceding from the US. Obama lied, Jews died. He’s out there for teh Israeli oil.”

Pathetic.

radiofreevillage on May 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM

For the first time in my adult life, I’m really proud to see somebody smack down the president of the United States!

Star20 on May 24, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Brilliant!

TheBigOldDog on May 24, 2009 at 5:00 PM

For the first time in my adult life, I’m really proud to see somebody smack down the president of the United States!

Star20 on May 24, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Most likely a lie. You felt the same way about Clinton.

radiofreevillage on May 24, 2009 at 5:06 PM

“Most likely a lie. You felt the same way about Clinton.

radiofreevillage on May 24, 2009 at 5:06 PM”

Nope. Not so much.

Star20 on May 24, 2009 at 5:08 PM

radiofreevillage on May 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Yeah, I see posts like that all of the time here. /

Cindy Munford on May 24, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Cindy,

Sure you aren’t thinking about Michelle Obama’s comments?

Star20 on May 24, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Seems Netanyahu is immune to Kool-Aid

Yeah, you won’t find Mr. Netanyahu counted among the Holocaust deniers, he KNOWS what’s at stake.

oldleprechaun on May 24, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Keep watching Jerusalem.

oldleprechaun on May 24, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Excellent,either,Obama is for,or against Israel,
and after Netanyahu’s visit,Bi Bi found out America
is with Israel.

but,

Obama is against!!

canopfor on May 24, 2009 at 5:33 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised. Did you see where he went for vacation? I didn’t have too many assumptions left standing with respect to Ed. Now, what was left is gone.

He can start posting pics with poop. I will not be surprised anymore.

radiofreevillage on May 24, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Waaaaaaa!

Seek help.
Just trying to help.

Itchee Dryback on May 24, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Loved the press conference where Obama and Netanyahu were publicly sweet talking each other and exchanging glances of pure, undiluted hatred. Can’t blame Bibi. Obama is just another Jew-hating Muslim.

MaiDee on May 24, 2009 at 5:45 PM

It sends notice to Obama that Israel will not allow itself to become a doormat to Obama’s ambitions in the Middle East.

If Israel bows to BHO, while BHO bows to the Arabs, Israel would in effect be bowing to the Arabs.

jgapinoy on May 24, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Like Sapwold said, Netanyahu is immune to Obama’s Kool-Aid. I’d love to bet a grand on Bibi hitting Iran before the end of the year.

I wonder how the 77% of Jews who voted for Obama are feeling, right now?

Star20 on May 24, 2009 at 5:56 PM

I’m not outraged. Ed and 80% of commenters here are just like the fringes on the left.

“OMFG, we’re so totally seceding from the US. Obama lied, Jews died. He’s out there for teh Israeli oil.”

Pathetic.

radiofreevillage on May 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Thats a very irrational comment, imo. Are you angry and frustrated because your Golden Boy is slowly being exposed for the fraud that he has always been, and his Utopian promises are being seen simplistic fantasies?…The one who sold himself as a Master Architect turns out to be someone who just read some books on design, and you’ve signed a contract and given him a huge downpayment and now he’s making excuses and blaming others for his incompetence? Do you feel like a sucker or are you still in denial?..just wondering.

Itchee Dryback on May 24, 2009 at 5:56 PM

radio is just upset that he has yet to feel the earth starting to heal, the rise of the oceans slow and we haven’t finally starting take care of sick people. People still have to put gas in their cars and make house payments. I’m sure it is a huge disappointment to many.

Star20 on May 24, 2009 at 6:01 PM

The “two states” of this “solution” will need to have their current fantastical maps redrawn to a more “north/south” form, for their national security as stable entities.

Until this basic level of geopolitical realism is demonstrated, it is all a circular folly.

And it is still undermined by the underlying expansionism and imperialism of Islam.

Strength is the only means of survival for the West until this theocratic threat collapses beneath its own morbid irrationalism.

profitsbeard on May 24, 2009 at 6:17 PM

If Israel bows to BHO, while BHO bows to the Arabs, Israel would in effect be bowing to the Arabs.

jgapinoy on May 24, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Excellent point.

Guardian on May 24, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Listening to all this apparently serious talk by grownups about this absurd “two state solution” is like waking up to the mad-hatter’s tea party every day. It is just a total nonsense idea born out of ignorance of Islam, its history & the history of that area in particular. Islam is a supremacist political system that must dominate eventually and totally. It cannot not endure Jews occupying and controlling a land that was once not only part of dar al-Islam, and hence MUST revert back, but a land containing “sacred” sites to Muslims. Muslims hate Jews & Israel and vehemently want Israel gone, completely, period. This is the reality there. Anything else is illusion, deception and treachery.

I wish politicians (esp. Obama)and diplomats would seriously study the nature & warlike history of Islam but evidently they won’t bother out of fear it would contradict their comfortable illusions & pretensions.

Chessplayer on May 24, 2009 at 6:28 PM

If Israel bows to BHO, while BHO bows to the Arabs, Israel would in effect be bowing to the Arabs.
jgapinoy on May 24, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Hussein is our first Moslem president. Why is he even denying it?

TexasJew on May 24, 2009 at 6:36 PM

radiofreevillage on May 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Yeah, I see posts like that all of the time here. /

Cindy Munford on May 24, 2009 at 5:10 PM

And thank goodness we have them here, as we all need to do our daily eye rolling exercises.

Loxodonta on May 24, 2009 at 6:39 PM

There’s no reason for Israel to do anything but permanently take and settle a certain amount of land for every act of violence and proclaim such will happen until a true ceasefire occurs or Palestine does not exist anymore.

Islam only understands ultimate demise.

Speakup on May 24, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Obama:

“No? No? What means this word, ‘no?’ Michelle, can you tell me what that means?”

Daggett on May 24, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Now suppose we can assume that taking out Iran’s nukes is not out of the question either. Glad someone can ignore Obama. Oh a for a politician like Bibi in the U.S.

Christian Conservative on May 24, 2009 at 7:45 PM

But he told Obama, according to the official, that his government “does not accept limitations on building” within what Israel defines as its capital,

“within what Israel defines as its capital”

uhm, who would?

Would Obama except limitations from some outside government on where Americans

live in Washington DC?

Walla Walla, Washington?

Klamath Falls Oregon?

Zanesville Ohio?

DSchoen on May 24, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Is it just me or is Obama to world affairs as Fredo is to the Corrleone?

“I’m smart, too!”

turfmann on May 24, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Thats a very irrational comment, imo. Are you angry and frustrated because your Golden Boy is slowly being exposed for the fraud that he has always been, and his Utopian promises are being seen simplistic fantasies?…The one who sold himself as a Master Architect turns out to be someone who just read some books on design, and you’ve signed a contract and given him a huge downpayment and now he’s making excuses and blaming others for his incompetence? Do you feel like a sucker or are you still in denial?..just wondering.

Itchee Dryback on May 24, 2009 at 5:56 PM

See, I have said repeatedly that I supported John McCain last election. Now how much of an idiot are you?

radiofreevillage on May 24, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Obama’s state dep’t responded today to Bibi’s comments:

Jerusalem is a final status issue. Israel and the Palestinians have agreed to resolve its status during negotiations. We will support their efforts to reach agreements on all final status issues,” a State Department spokesman said when asked to respond to Netanyahu’s proclamation that Jerusalem would always remain under Israeli sovereignty

JiangxiDad on May 24, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Most likely a lie. You felt the same way about Clinton.

radiofreevillage on May 24, 2009 at 5:06 PM

When they tried to smack Clinton down, Americans died. Sadly, it worked.

I’m in full agreement with Ed’s analysis. As for Obama’s demand, however, it is no different from the US’s public call to the Soviet Union to provide the Four Freedoms to its people. The response from both targets was identical — stay out of our internal affairs. But the message is loud and clear. Bibi will have to deal with Barry for four years, and the writing is already on the wall with respect to Obama’s view of the Isreali-Palestinian fight.

unclesmrgol on May 24, 2009 at 8:57 PM

“When they tried to smack Clinton down, Americans died. Sadly, it worked.

unclesmrgol on May 24, 2009″

Completely irrational. Clinton smacked himself down, wasting perfectly good cigars and lying about it.

If “Americans died,” refers to Bush and the Iraq war, Clinton believed Iraq had WMD’s, as well.

One doesn’t have anything to do with the other. Bush didn’t run against Clinton.

Star20 on May 24, 2009 at 9:41 PM

The problem is that the world keeps referring to these areas as “settlements” and “enclaves” implying they are small, temporary, and relatively new.

They aren’t “settlements” or “enclaves”. They’re villages, neighbourhoods, and even towns.

Jerusalem officials don’t tell Washington where to build or not to build, so a reciprocation would be nice.

AlexB on May 24, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Is it just me or is Obama to world affairs as Fredo is to the Corrleone?

“I’m smart, too!”

turfmann on May 24, 2009 at 8:19 PM

LOL, Obama is a snot-nosed little boy compared to Netanyahu.

Take your marbles and go home Barry, you’re out of your league.

infidel4life on May 24, 2009 at 10:00 PM

The tone is set for O’s Eqyptian speech:
“Mr Netanyahu, tear down those settlements!”

Ladywolfnl on May 24, 2009 at 4:22 PM

+10

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 24, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Is there a website that can explain this situation in a nonbiased way? With maps,Israel’s territory, and what they want to accomplish, we know that nobody wants Israel there; info about the war that happened where Israel was established, etc.

Is there any territory that Muslims claim is theirs like Jerusalem and so forth? And, why they cannot coexist? Sounds like a bunch of silly questions, but I consider Israel as the Army of God. I know this goes back to Abraham and the Promised Land.

Perhaps someone can load that info in O’s iPod so he can listen to the reality of the situation, instead of trying to be the Ultimate World Leader/snort. TOTUS can back him up and perhaps he can gain an itty bitty of credibility.

Now where there’s Muslim blood the One will back his own, and since we are being destroyed from the inside out…God help us!

ProudPalinFan on May 24, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Is there a website that can explain this situation in a nonbiased way?

ProudPalinFan on May 24, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Probably not. It’s become too emotionally charged. I don’t think a two-state solution will ever work.

ddrintn on May 24, 2009 at 11:06 PM

So there’s an ad with a little kid holding a Palestinian flag with the words “Jerusalem – An Ailing City” and then “Under the Darkness of Judaization” in the banner right under the header.

What the heck is HotAir allowing on its site?

amkun on May 24, 2009 at 11:52 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised. Did you see where he went for vacation? I didn’t have too many assumptions left standing with respect to Ed. Now, what was left is gone.

He can start posting pics with poop. I will not be surprised anymore.

radiofreevillage on May 24, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Oh oh, does this mean you are leaving? Or do you like looking at “pics of poop”?

Daemonocracy on May 25, 2009 at 12:00 AM

Obama is now in the position that he will have to “get tough”
with Israel while he is capitulating to Iran.

It is the same as watching his administration smile and carry on with the dictators like Hugo while he attacks and smears the Rush Limbaugh’s and Rick Santelli’s.

The enemies of Freedom are licking their chops watching the leader of the most powerful Nation in the world turn our Foreign Policy into nothing but a circus of ideological coffee shop generals.

N.Korea,Iran,Taliban,and al-qaeda are laughing at Obama and
Netanyahu is not going to allow Israel to be destroyed because some failed community organizer wants to fulfill the
liberal aspirations taught to him by the likes of Bill Ayers
and Rev. Wright.

Obama’s ideological foolishness and policies of appeasement
are going to create the elements that will lead to wars breaking out instead of preventing them,just like the Europeans lead by Chamberlain did before WWII.

Baxter Greene on May 25, 2009 at 12:16 AM

Is there a website that can explain this situation in a nonbiased way? With maps,Israel’s territory, and what they want to accomplish, we know that nobody wants Israel there; info about the war that happened where Israel was established, etc.

Is there any territory that Muslims claim is theirs like Jerusalem and so forth? And, why they cannot coexist? Sounds like a bunch of silly questions, but I consider Israel as the Army of God. I know this goes back to Abraham and the Promised Land.

Perhaps someone can load that info in O’s iPod so he can listen to the reality of the situation, instead of trying to be the Ultimate World Leader/snort. TOTUS can back him up and perhaps he can gain an itty bitty of credibility.

Now where there’s Muslim blood the One will back his own, and since we are being destroyed from the inside out…God help us!

ProudPalinFan on May 24, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Way too much John Hagee my man, way too much.

Why do you consider the state of Israel as the army of God? They are anything but that. If you mean Israel in the way that Christ meant it, in which whomsoever will call upon His name is grafted onto the vine of Israel, then you are right.

The bottom line is that both the Muslims and the Ashkenazi Jews are preparing the way for their 12th Imam. There is no difference between the two and their fervor to establish Jerusalem as the base of operation for the return of their god. The only difference is that we fund Israel’s jihad.

I’m amazed how well the propoganda of the churches works to make it seem like there is a difference between what the Jews and Muslims want.

In the mean time, the rank and file Jews and Palestinians are caught in the crossfire.

True_King on May 25, 2009 at 12:16 AM

Our polititians don’t take the time to educate themselves about the history of Islam for the same reason they don’t bother to read a bill before signing it;all that reading takes too long. Also, for the umpteenth time, Obama wasn’t bowing to the saudi king;he was simply bending over to pick up the bar of soap somebody dropped on the floor.

dms on May 25, 2009 at 1:02 AM

Interesting analsis. I can go with it.

AnninCA on May 25, 2009 at 2:02 AM

The bottom line is that both the Muslims and the Ashkenazi Jews are preparing the way for their 12th Imam. There is no difference between the two and their fervor to establish Jerusalem as the base of operation for the return of their god. The only difference is that we fund Israel’s jihad.

True_King on May 25, 2009 at 12:16 AM

The bottom line is that this religious Ashkenazi Jew will tell you that you don’t have a clue about us.

Shy Guy on May 25, 2009 at 3:13 AM

The bottom line is that this religious Ashkenazi Jew will tell you that you don’t have a clue about us.
Shy Guy on May 25, 2009 at 3:13 AM

I second that, landsman.
“Israel’s jihad” – what a pathetic little schmuck.

TexasJew on May 25, 2009 at 3:20 AM

Click on True_King’s name in his sig.

A little schmuck with a pea-sized brain.

Shy Guy on May 25, 2009 at 3:37 AM

Shy Guy on May 25, 2009 at 3:37 AM

Sorry – I simply don’t have the stomach for that experience.
He’s some idiot babbling about us yearning for a “12th Imam”, the ignorant little bastard.

TexasJew on May 25, 2009 at 4:00 AM

Hey Barry…better put some ice on that!

sabbott on May 25, 2009 at 6:26 AM

Even when I don’t agree with him…which is always. I always watch how I rip on the guy. I don’t take pleasure in rippin on him in favor of a foreign leader.

Atleast it isn’t a foreign paper.

tomas on May 25, 2009 at 9:32 AM

My lame attempts at sarcasm are Pathetic.

radiofreevillage on May 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM

FIFY.

chunderroad on May 25, 2009 at 10:03 AM

See, I have said repeatedly that I supported John McCain last election. Now how much of an idiot are you?

radiofreevillage on May 24, 2009 at 8:22 PM

It doesn’t matter who you say you supported yesterday, but it matters very much where you agree with Republicans today. The traditional platform supports fiscal discipline, yet you mock conservatives who discuss seceding from a federal government that has bankrupted our country. Traditional republicans have always stood for a strong national security, and realize that Israel is an essential ally in the Middle East.

chunderroad on May 25, 2009 at 10:10 AM

President Obama, please do not tell us how to develop communities. We’ve done great in the past, until Hamas got in the way, and you still want us to give up more to them and others.

Try again when you’ve grown up.

MSGTAS on May 25, 2009 at 10:49 AM

The power of words.

“two-state solution”

v.

“ethnic cleansing”

Now imagine the “transfer” movement in Israel making similar demands on their treasonous Arab population.

Beagle on May 25, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Now imagine the “transfer” movement in Israel making similar demands on their treasonous Arab population.

Beagle on May 25, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Looking forward to it.

Shy Guy on May 25, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Baxter Greene on May 25, 2009 at 12:16 AM

I hope and pray that you are wrong, but I fear that you are right. Between a worldwide economic recession and weak leadership of the U.S., I fear that a few countries will conclude it’s time to seize the moment and take something by force.

Al in St. Lou on May 25, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Two state solution: IOW Jordan and Israel.
61 years, no peace, and we’re right back where we started.
Wait just a minute. Is there any nation that has declared that all the muslims must be wiped off the face of the earth?
No?
Quick note to Israel – Just because you’re paranoid, doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.

Stay safe.

Blacksmith8 on May 25, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Send the crack ho skank Michelle; She can impress him with her wardrobe!

Cybergeezer on May 26, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Cybergeezer on May 26, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Dude, that is waaay out of line here.

infidel4life on May 26, 2009 at 7:30 PM

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