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Obama: Hey, we’re out of money

posted at 12:12 pm on May 23, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Via Breitbart, an important newsflash from The One in case you hadn’t heard that we’re running trillion-dollar deficits these days. See if you can balance the nuance of his point about Medicaid and Medicare being completely unsustainable long-term with his burning desire to nationalize most of the country’s heath-care industry.

Update: Drudge has a transcript.


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Some of you are misunderestimating the situtaion here.

Under Obamavorkian (Obama + Kevorkian) care, it is not you are screwed, it is you are scroomed! (screwed + doomed).

We may well be on the precipice of the greatest scroomage the country has seen since FDR, if not ever.

Future historians will refer to this time period as the Great Scroomage.

MB4 on May 23, 2009 at 3:06 PM

But I’m amazed that there are still so many who love their healthcare plan that they are this adamant.

That’s interesting.

Most people are disgusted.

AnninCA on May 23, 2009 at 1:39 PM

There you go again, Ann…making statements of fact for which you can’t possibly provide the proof. You’ve already been busted as a liar with no credibility.

Pray tell…who are “most people” of which you speak? You are speaking for them so let us know who they are…tell us exactly what they say.

Personally, I don’t know ONE person who would prefer any type of government-run health care rationing plan. Not one.

And polls clearly show that people who have insurance want to keep it. Polls also clearly show that while people support the theory of a national healthcare plan, the same polls show that voters don’t want it if it’s going to increase their taxes.

ladyingray on May 23, 2009 at 3:06 PM

We have the Commercial Real Estate bubble bursting in the offing, record high foreclosures for home owners, Obama and the Progressives just ruined the credit market -Obama signed a Bill that will help 1% and hurt 99% of credit card holders, our auto industry is going tits up, unemployment climbing…..we are bleeding jobs, our government is proposing Cap & Trade…Obama: I’ve got a great idea lets socialize health care.

Socialism is a great idea, till you run out of other people’s money.

There’s no money left- well DUH!

Dr Evil on May 23, 2009 at 3:06 PM

genso on May 23, 2009 at 3:02 PM

If you look at the AllahPundit fan club on facebook you might be able to figure out who I am and send me a private message. At least one HA reader figured that puzzle out.

DarkCurrent on May 23, 2009 at 3:10 PM

I am sure that the Democrats will blame the deficit on the obstructionist Republicans who refuse to raise taxes. Of course these are the same obstructionist who also refuse to raise spending.

Democrats would raise taxes and spending as well as borrow even more and raise the deficit even higher. But remember anything good is brought to you by a Democrat. Anything bad comes from Republicans. The MSM understands.

KW64 on May 23, 2009 at 3:12 PM

DarkCurrent on May 23, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Heh…dude, if you have written anything there, I’m sure I can pick you out. Not many have the same perspective as you. Thanks.

genso on May 23, 2009 at 3:12 PM

You make a claim, and your “great private provider” declines, you have no out.

Good luck.

AnninCA on May 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM

And once you get your government run health rationing plan and you get sick, you won’t even get to see a doctor. You’ll be told to wait….and wait….and wait….and then when you finally do get to see an MD, the government panel in charge of the rationing of care will say you are too sick or old or whatever and you won’t get any treatment.

Good luck.

You really are stuck on stupid, aren’t you?

ladyingray on May 23, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Our Cipher in Chief has “gone where no man has gone before”, not with such speed, anyway. It might be the best thing to happen for our country, to run out of moolah this early.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2009 at 3:16 PM

ladyingray on May 23, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Are you saying we don’t have the GREATEST GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRACY IN THE WORLD? That’s UNAMERICAN/sarc

Dr Evil on May 23, 2009 at 3:20 PM

U.S. Debt Clock

MB4 on May 23, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Dr Evil on May 23, 2009 at 3:20 PM

The USPS can’t deliver our freakin’ mail efficiently!!! What I am supposed to think?

ladyingray on May 23, 2009 at 3:26 PM

I think JDad scared off Ann. Shoot. I wanted in on the fun.

ladyingray on May 23, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Dr Evil on May 23, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Doctor, you’ve GOT to stop writing your own prescriptions!

oldleprechaun on May 23, 2009 at 3:27 PM

The USPS can’t deliver our freakin’ mail efficiently!!! What I am supposed to think?

ladyingray on May 23, 2009 at 3:26 PM

They can’t help it Government Policy, Skrew up Move up. It’s the only way to get a promoted in the Government. SEE Joe Biden.

Dr Evil on May 23, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Joe Biden may look like an idiot and act like an idiot. But don’t let that fool you. He really is an idiot.

(tip of the hat to Groucho Marx)

viking01 on May 23, 2009 at 3:32 PM

I think JDad scared off Ann. Shoot. I wanted in on the fun.
ladyingray on May 23, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Maybe she swallowed her tongue after ingesting that last can of glutinous welfare dog food and died unattended in the poorly-lit corridors of the underfunded hospital’s ER.

TexasJew on May 23, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Doctor, you’ve GOT to stop writing your own prescriptions!

oldleprechaun on May 23, 2009 at 3:27 PM

By the time Obama is finished, we are all going to be working for the Government – not necessarily voluntarily. I’m getting my butt kissing in early :) I know how the Government works, and it has nothing to do with Merit.

Dr Evil on May 23, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Sherlock-in-Chief.

the_nile on May 23, 2009 at 3:36 PM

And just think the McCain campaign would not call Obama a tax and spend liberal because they thought it was “old hat”

Amazing. Bush was a borrow and spend fiscal liberal and now we have Obama who is a spend and tax (in the future) liberal.

when can we get a slash and burn conservative?

unseen on May 23, 2009 at 3:38 PM

I am still waiting for Annin to tell us how we need to make sure we pay for any and all abortion. If that happens she will not be alone in her guilt. Misery loves company.

Jamson64 on May 23, 2009 at 3:39 PM

So Obama’s gonna fund socialist unhealth care by dissolving Medicaid and Medicare and using their funds?

darwin on May 23, 2009 at 3:44 PM

They can’t help it Government Policy, Skrew up Move up. It’s the only way to get a promoted in the Government. SEE Joe Biden.

Dr Evil on May 23, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Had to wipe the Coke off my laptop. Hope it dries out okay…

ladyingray on May 23, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Its about time the teleprompter told him the truth.

volsense on May 23, 2009 at 3:52 PM

Unless they’re going to give us all the same diamond-encrusted heath care plan that congress has, then there’s no comparison between the health insurance I already have and any government plan they could possibly dream up.
Messiah: if you MUST take care of the undetermined number of people out there without coverage (and yes, it is an unknown, since there are so many ways to count them), then restrict your plan to them and leave the rest of us alone.

n0doz on May 23, 2009 at 3:55 PM

I have lived in CA for a lot of my adult life. Earlier, as an employee, I had Kaiser, which is an HMO out there and I never had complaints, but I rarely needed to use their services. Later in life, I became an entrepreneur (I hate corporate america almost as much as I hate our dear TOTUS’ economic policies). But by then, I could not GET private health insurance just because I didn’t fit the height/weight tables. But once my business had a 2nd employee, I could get Kaiser again. So I faithfully paid my premiums for years. Then I moved out of state. I was LUCKY that I moved to a state that has provisions in its insurance laws that allowed people to get private policies, however it is costly. I faithfully pay my premium every month. I don’t consider it my neighbor’s responsibility to contribute toward my health care costs.

My issue is ACCESS to get insurance. If there is a way to allow people with pre-existing conditions to even buy into whatever insurance provided to state employees, it would solve a lot of the uninsured issues.

Remember, the stats are, we supposedly have 45 million uninsured people in this country. I have no idea who arrived at that number, but it gets repeated all over the media. We also know that about 15 million of these uninsured are the illegal aliens who are not in jobs that include insurance as a benefit, or they are getting paid cash under the table, or whatever. And don’t tell me that I am racist for making this claim. I lived in CA, it was all over the place out there (getting paid under the table). We also know that about 15 million people are temporarily between jobs or have a short term gap in coverage (again, I read this in the media, who researched this? I dunno).

That leaves 15 million people who either are voluntarily choosing to not spend the $$ to get their own polciies or people like me who have extreme difficulties finding private insurance at any cost.

We can solve the health care crisis by slamming our borders shut, requiring employment eligibility for all new hires (slamming the door shut on the jobs magnet that brings illegals here), severe sanctioning of employers who hire illegals, including loss of their businesses if it is proven they didn’t verify eligibility, including jail time for the executives of these companies. I am a CEO of a company now and trust me, we will NEVER knowingly hire an illegal. We are going to verify eligibility of employment every which way from Sunday at my company when we ramp up our hiring. As jobs dry up for illegals, they WILL self deport. It is already happening in this economic downturn. So that takes care of that 15 million uninsured.

The next group of 15 million have short term gaps in coverage. Often that is due to the shocking cost of COBRA to newly laid off people. I don’t think employees truly understand how costly insurance is that their employers pay for. So they choose to not pay their COBRA coverage, gambling on their health staying good until they find a new job with benefits. Usually that works and it is a calculated risk.

That leaves the 15 million who either choose to not get insurance, or can’t find coverage, no matter what the cost. This is where we can find solutions that don’t require our federal government to screw up our economy by taking this industry over and screwing it up for everyone. Why are we even discussing this at the federal level? This segment of uninsured can be addressed at the state levels.

While I also think AnninCA is a plant by the lefty orgs paid for by Soros, this IS an issue in California, but most of that is their making. They have the sanctuary cities, they have a pervasive culture out there where people easily find jobs off the books, thus making it all too easy for illegals to find work. Everyone is very quick to sue everyone out there, even minor car accidents for “grave injury”. The whole culture out there is one of “me first, screw you” cesspool of corruption. The politicians out there are all spineless wimps who use public money to further their political careers by catering to special interests. They have a “pass the buck” mentality of pushing off hard public policy issues to the next term limited schmoe to gets elected to the government out there. No one wants to deal with the reality.

However, while the health care coverage crisis is contributing to the severe budget problems out there, it didn’t CAUSE the problems out there. Bad government, uncontrolled spending for ridiculous pet projects, a refusal of the federal government to seal the borders, etc. The whole state out there is in the crappers and the net result is they have LOST a lot of their population count. Most of them are productive citizens like me who said, “Screw this, I am out of here” and we left with our higher incomes to go elsewhere. My emmigration choice was Texas (no income state). I love Texas. I would still be there today if family obligations had not taken me back to my birth state (a blue one unfortunately which is also in economic meltdown due to really bad state government).

karenhasfreedom on May 23, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Otherwise, there will be no solution.

AnninCA on May 23, 2009 at 12:43 PM

There need not be a solution to a problem that doesn’t really exist.

CA’s healthcare problem is federal. It has nothing to do with any voter.

We are required by Federal law to provide healthcare to all residents. That was a clear federal court mandate.

AnninCA on May 23, 2009 at 1:22 PM

I don’t suppose that you could provide a link to that law. And the bolded phrase is an oxymoron.

[Re: eyeshadow allegedly worn by teh Won] It might be the smoking. Baldilocks said something about it causing discoloring. I can’t remember exactly what she said.

INC on May 23, 2009 at 1:27 PM

It may be that. What I said is that he looks older–haggard is a better description–and darker when he’s smoking (like everyone else who smokes). I bet he’s got them Newports lined up one behind the other about now.

baldilocks on May 23, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Ya really want a dialogue AnninCA, or are you really just a troll?

OK here are a couple of questions for you to get this started:

Is healthcare a right?

If healthcare is a right, are their any limits to that right (and what are those limits)?

mockmook on May 23, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Had to wipe the Coke off my laptop. Hope it dries out okay…

ladyingray on May 23, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Think of it this way, he is out of the Senate, where he couldn’t do anymore serious damage:)

What this would mean to all of us is that Government Workers bka Bureaucrats, will look at a request for heath care, and decide if we need it. So this bureaucrat’s boss is bucking for a promotion, and a raise, this bureaucrat is next in line…his boss says it doesn’t look good for us to be approving all these request, it’s costing a lot of money. So what happens next, the bureaucrat has been given incentive to (1) come up with creative ways to deny health care request- unlikely (2) just lose your health care request…you know the old I can’t find your paper work let me put you on hold.

What the progressives are doing is deciding what they think we can live with – what’s good enough for us. Now in a Republic a Free Country. you’re supposed to decide for yourself what you think you can live with what is good enough for you….

The best advice I could give anyone if we go under Obama Care…Don’t get sick, Don’t get injured. Oh and wear a lot of lip moisturizer, the butt kissing requirement inside government bureaucracies is a lot higher than outside in the private sector. GRIN.

Dr Evil on May 23, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Conservatives have been warning about the Ponzi schemes known as Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid for decades.

Now this genius discovers there’s no money after he personally leads a spending spree unequaled in history.

The Talking Chimp awes us once again.

mr1216 on May 23, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Speaking of anti-O bumper stickers, go over to eBay and see the selection there.

arizona on May 23, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Can someone explain to me how socialized medicine is going to make money to pay off our debt?

I’ll be here all day…waiting…for an answer…

DeathtotheSwiss on May 23, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Guys, to see the future of Health Care in the U.S. please volunteer at a VA hospital. It is shocking, and they are at least trying to do the right thing.

Imagine what you are going to get with a health care worker with the attitude of the typical DMV clerk.

E9RET on May 23, 2009 at 4:22 PM

My favorite lie is:

“This is a consequence of the crisis that we’ve seen and in fact our failure to make some good decisions on health care over the last several decades.”

The deficit is a result of our failure to nationalize health care in the past??????? I don’t understand the twisted logic behind that at all…

Christina D on May 23, 2009 at 12:59 PM

There is no logic behind that. If nationalized health care was some sort of magic bullet that would have protected us against financial disaster, then other modern, industrialized countries that have had socialized health care for years — such as the U.K. — presumably would not be in dire financial straits now. Except that they are. The U.K., for example, is in even worse shape financially than we are.

And to AnninCA: the Supreme Court has held that states have an obligation to provide emergency health care to everyone, including illegal aliens, regardless of ability to pay. Emergency care does not include things like prenatal care, which CA provides to illegal aliens, or things like drug rehab, which CA (and/or its municipalities)provides to illegal aliens. For example, SF was recently in the news for its policy of sending illegal alien drug-smuggling youths to private drug treatment centers in other counties, rather than holding them in jail and reporting them to ICE for deportation. One article reported that the cost of one of these treatment programs was $11,000 a week. CA taxpayers were paying for this crap. So please don’t tell us that CA’s wasteful policies towards illegals are all the fault of the feds. That’s just not true.

AZCoyote on May 23, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Where’s this guy when you need him?

Chaz706 on May 23, 2009 at 4:26 PM

We have the Commercial Real Estate bubble bursting in the offing, record high foreclosures for home owners, Obama and the Progressives just ruined the credit market -Obama signed a Bill that will help 1% and hurt 99% of credit card holders, our auto industry is going tits up, unemployment climbing…..we are bleeding jobs, our government is proposing Cap & Trade…Obama: I’ve got a great idea lets socialize health care.

Socialism is a great idea, till you run out of other people’s money.

There’s no money left- well DUH!

Dr Evil on May 23, 2009 at 3:06 PM

All to the benefit of the banks. They print money, they choke the supply, they confiscate the real asset. Sweet deal.

True_King on May 23, 2009 at 4:39 PM

The USPS can’t deliver our freakin’ mail efficiently!!!

Yes dear Lady and as a recently retired mailman…

OT Warning-

When I was a wee small leprechaun, the debate over what would eventually become the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was beginning to heat up. Even as a high school student, I took an interest in politics and I recall an editorial in our local newspaper arguing against the legislation. The editorial writer specifically directed his comments to the premise driving the proposed legislation: 11% of the general population were Negroes (we called them “Negroes” then), so Negroes should have 11% representation in every area. Any and every thing you could think of should reflect that 11% statistic. The writer called this what it was; a quota system, then carried this view to it’s logical conclusion, arguing that if percentages were the criteria, before long other groups would certainly be demanding that THEY be recognized. The writer presented the scenario faced by a business owner whose company employed 100 people. His workforce:

11% would be required to be Negro.
51% would be required to be female
51% would be required to be Protestant
2% would be required to be Jewish
2% would be required to be Mormon
12% would be required to be Irish
15% would be required to be divorced
and on, and on, and on…
(did I mention 2% nudists?)

But the major criticism was that THE GOVERNMENT was going to be the referee, ultimately deciding who would hired, promoted, and fired. I cannot begin to tell you the hate mail that editorial generated. He was called a bigot, of course, and Klansman, idiot, racist, (that was new term then) and generally held up as everything a GOOD AMERICAN should not be. Everyone from the local NAACP to Martin Luther King said this would NEVER be about quotas, but only EQUAL OPPORTUNITY!

And here we are, almost 50 years later. And that was a prophecy, because the Federal Government has been deciding for years how to make everything “equal”. That’s because for Good Americans, equality IS God. And for 50 years, people have put up with that. That’s why your mail is mis-delivered.

And if you think they can screw up your mail Madam, wait ’til you see what they are going to do to your healthcare!

oldleprechaun on May 23, 2009 at 4:44 PM

The Cipher in Chief actually got it, for once, never mind that it escapes his meager mind that he hand-created it.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Obama’s philosophy is pretty easy to understand. He sees government programs that have failed to work and never NEVER considers the possibility that there are just some things that government is incapable of doing well.

What gets me about many observers sometimes is that some of us are still pretending that he’s trying to fix things. He’s not. He’s not trying to make this government and this economy do anything well. He’s trying to destroy both and remake them. He keeps saying so–over and over and over again.

And guess what? He’s doing a very good job at the task he has in mind.

baldilocks on May 23, 2009 at 4:45 PM

This is becoming very scary . . . this guy is absolutely clueless.

rplat on May 23, 2009 at 1:42 PM

It is we who are clueless. We keep thinking that he’s trying to fix things and messing up. No. He’s trying to destroy things and doing a great job.

baldilocks on May 23, 2009 at 4:48 PM

The first thing I want to know. Fortyseven million uninsured? How, where, who, when, why? I damn well want to know who are these people!

Where in hell do these numbers come from?

I do not think that an illegal immagrant can buy and pay for a medical insurance policy even if he/she/they want such care. How many people just choose not to pay for medical insurance.

TomLawler on May 23, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Hey,

Why don’t we just outlaw the practice of medicine for profit? I mean, c’mon, if it’s just money, let’s take the profit out of it. Boom! Price comes down!

According to the Onnointed One, the cost of health care is the root of all evil:

1. 9/11 = Caused by the cost of healthcare
2. Illegal immigration = Caused by the cost of healthcare (Update….Its free….for them)
3. 47 auto accidents yesterday = Caused by the cost of healthcare
4. Somebody in France dropped their latte grande = Caused by the cost of healthcare
5. Pelosi lies about the CIA lying to her = = Caused by the cost of healthcare

and on and on…….

BobMbx on May 23, 2009 at 4:49 PM

If this interview doesn’t prove that the man is a complete, albeit affable, moron then I have a brige to sell.

Onager on May 23, 2009 at 4:56 PM

and on and on…….

BobMbx on May 23, 2009 at 4:49 PM

You’re forgetting:

6. Hitler – Germany’s cost of healthcare was too high, so Hitler was able to rise to power.
7. Dropping the bomb on Hiroshima – Going in with the army would’ve increased the cost of our healthcare… dropping the bomb was better because it was cheaper for us, more expensive healthcare for Japan.
8. Declaration of Independence – We didn’t want to pay for Britain’s healthcare..
9. Kent state shootings – cost of healthcare.

I like this game… the GOP should make this their propaganda campaign for the rest of the year…

Skywise on May 23, 2009 at 4:56 PM

I think JDad scared off Ann. Rham Shoot. I wanted in on the fun.

ladyingray on May 23, 2009 at 3:26 PM

FIFY :o)

Key West Reader on May 23, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Hey, I know a few people with hip replacements, more than one for some, life saving heart repairs (stints and such), one guy is on his second replacement liver (tens years after the first transplant he needed a new one, and got moved to the top of the list). And many other stories of this nature. Ask these guys what they think of the current health care situation and they will tell you it’s broken and needs replaced… WHAT THE F***
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Brainwashed and owned by the left and the Dems is their problem. And if I dare point this bizarre thought process out, I’m the one who’s stupid. Some folks just need to lose what they have before they know how great it is.
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RalphyBoy on May 23, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Maybe you can sell off a couple of states to China, huh?

Problem is, the states we really need to unload are the ones no one would want to buy.

jimmy2shoes on May 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM

For the last 20 years there has been a bubble.

A bubble of expectations. We can control the climate. We can give poor people houses. Everything is possible. There is a moral imperative to do everything…be rich, be open to everything exotic…be fair. Be everything, the new man.

Public Employees can get rich off of pensions, Everyone can have high quality healthcare.

The list is endless….expect of course the meta-bubble is not endless. It is ending now. Obama is the last gasp of the meta bubble, and in some sense that natural culmination of it. He is the American Idol Prez…the antithesis of Cheney…who would have done fine 60 years ago or 100.

Britain’s sun set. Our’s is unsustainable too.

r keller on May 23, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Anyone listening to this boob can see that he really does rely on teleprompters waaaaaaaaayyyyyyy too much………

……… He droned on, and on, and on, and on, and didn’t say anything other than rehashing old liberal talking points.

Great Cesar’s Ghost……..

………… 130+ days into his Administration, uncontrolled spending by the Democrats, and the United States of America is out of money.

Think about that for a minute or two…………

…….. The United States of America, thanks to Liberal Democrat Social Engineering Spending, is “Out of Money”!!!

You would think some one in opposition to this would make a nifty political ad and try to regain power……..?

Seven Percent Solution on May 23, 2009 at 5:28 PM

If this interview doesn’t prove that the man is a complete, albeit affable, moron then I have a brige to sell.

Onager on May 23, 2009 at 4:56 PM

A bridge to nowhere, I must assume.

trailboss on May 23, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Simple question. If the answer is government control of healthcare because we peons are too poor to handle our own health concerns…

Why do the Russians, Chinese, Indians, Canadians, Britains and even CUBANS come HERE when they need quality healthcare?

Skywise on May 23, 2009 at 5:33 PM

The United States of America, thanks to Liberal Democrat Social Engineering Spending, is “Out of Money”!!!

You would think some one in opposition to this would make a nifty political ad and try to regain power……..?

Seven Percent Solution on May 23, 2009 at 5:28 PM

Put yer tin hat back on and settle down. The US has been out of money every year since the end of the Clinton sexual orgy administration. What do you think deficit spending means? GWB wasted the last balanced budget we had, and now the Dems have to way overspend to just get the economy off of life support. All the future Medicaid and Medicare scary stuff hasn’t even hit yet.

trailboss on May 23, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Is there any truth to the claim that medical procedures were significantly cheaper prior to substantial government regulation and policy intervention? I am looking around now, but I seem to remember hearing that surgery was something you used to be able to pay for out of pocket about 70-80 years ago. I’ll post back if I find something reliable…mostly because it completely derails this “government is the solution to healthcare” BS.

blankminde on May 23, 2009 at 2:02 PM

I think that once employers and the government started getting into health insurance costs skyrocketed. I think the best answer is to have everyone cover catastrophic insurance and then just pay for the routine Dr. visits and prescriptions out of pocket. The costs should go down. As it is now the uninsured pay 2-3 times what the insurance companies contracted rates are. It sucks.

mrsmwp on May 23, 2009 at 5:38 PM

And if you think they can screw up your mail Madam, wait ’til you see what they are going to do to your healthcare!

oldleprechaun on May 23, 2009 at 4:44 PM

And as a current employee in a regional healtcare system, and see the crappy payment for Medicare and Medicaid patients, you can bet we will end up with crappy care. Physicians won’t put up with all that time, money, and training and then get paid peanuts all the while jumping through the hoops of the current governmetnal whim.

We’ll lose MDs, we’ll lose nurses (and we already of shortages in these areas), we’ll lose inovative scientists and engineers developing life saving medicine and procedures because they won’t get paid for the education and experience.

People, it’ll be like living in the dark ages…and what’s really the irony is that the current “uninsured” will still be the ones who end up suffering the most.

ladyingray on May 23, 2009 at 5:49 PM

blah blah blah
I am the One
blah blah blah
I am the One

JellyToast on May 23, 2009 at 6:06 PM

We’ll lose MDs, we’ll lose nurses (and we already of shortages in these areas), we’ll lose inovative scientists and engineers developing life saving medicine and procedures because they won’t get paid for the education and experience.

People, it’ll be like living in the dark ages in India
ladyingray on May 23, 2009 at 5:49 PM

DarkCurrent on May 23, 2009 at 6:10 PM

I warned everyone I know about this tyro doofus for over a year and it is no consolation to be proved sadly correct about the untested neophyte cum Reparations-In-Chief.

HOPE everyone who chose him is happy for a CHANGE.

I intend to celebrate the Memorial to our Liberty by ignoring Obama …the way you overlook gnats near the potato salad… at least until Tuesday.

Best to all for a safe weekend!

profitsbeard on May 23, 2009 at 6:11 PM

We’ll lose MDs, we’ll lose nurses (and we already of shortages in these areas), we’ll lose inovative scientists and engineers developing life saving medicine and procedures because they won’t get paid for the education and experience.
ladyingray on May 23, 2009 at 5:49 PM

But we will gain Government Bureaucrats, somebodies got to push all the paper, Socializing Health Care will create. Check out who is shedding jobs in this country, and who is hiring.

Dr Evil on May 23, 2009 at 6:11 PM

People, it’ll be like living in the dark ages in Indiamodern France.
ladyingray on May 23, 2009 at 5:49 PM

DarkCurrent on May 23, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Ohh, the horror.!

trailboss on May 23, 2009 at 6:12 PM

The first thing I want to know. Fortyseven million uninsured? How, where, who, when, why? I damn well want to know who are these people!

Where in hell do these numbers come from?

I do not think that an illegal immagrant can buy and pay for a medical insurance policy even if he/she/they want such care. How many people just choose not to pay for medical insurance.

TomLawler on May 23, 2009 at 4:48 PM

I am one. Me and my husband make our living by buying and selling whatever we can make a profit on. We make about $45-50K/Yr. We have 2 young children. I had both my kids without health insurance and it was about $15K each time. Needless to say, it wiped out our savings and we lived very frugally. I have tried to get insurance. I am currently looking at Blue Cross. The policy is an HSA with a $10K deductible, no Dr. visits, no prescriptions, no nothing until the deductible is met. The cost will be about $400/mo. Also, in Texas you cannot get maternity coverage if self-insured. I think you can in states like Massachusetts, etc. So, in addition to paying about $200-300 everytime I take my kid for a check-up/shots, I will have to come up with the monthly premiums. We spent about $5K on medical stuff last year (babies go to the doctor every 3 months for the first year!) We don’t have cable and big screen tv to give up. The only place in our budget is the grocery budget. But, we’ve made our choices and we are working toward the future. Someday, our warehouse will be paid off and we hope to acquire more investment income. So, right now times are tough but what we are doing now will pay off in the future. I tell you this long-winded story so that you can see that there are people out there that it is very hard for, because the self-employed have to pay high premiums for crap insurance. The hardest hit are the people in the $30-60K/yr income because we don’t qualify for help (which we don’t want anyway) but our incomes don’t support “good” insurance. Just my 2 cents!

mrsmwp on May 23, 2009 at 6:16 PM

You’re already being limited by your health insurance for care, via the private plans or employer cutbacks.

So buy better health care or supplemental insurance if you don’t like what your employer has to offer.

Think you can’t afford it? Do what sane people do, cut costs elsewhere, work a second job.

And what, exactly, is keeping people from buying better healthcare if the plan they currently have is inadequate?

Oh, that’s right…overtaxation and joblessness, exacerbated by big government. Funny how they keep making things worse.

TheMightyMonarch on May 23, 2009 at 6:19 PM

It is we who are clueless. We keep thinking that he’s trying to fix things and messing up. No. He’s trying to destroy things and doing a great job.

baldilocks on May 23, 2009 at 4:48 PM

He will Try, He will Fail.

Things haven’t got off to great start for the Obama Administration, you can measure it by the amount of astroturfing the media has had to do on his behalf, and that started way before his 100 day anniversary. The astroturfing really doesn’t matter, nobody gets their news from TV anymore :) Check CNN and MSNBC, all Obama, all the time their Ratings are in the toilet. What’s up with that he is the One after all. He ran as a celebratician, and he has been way over exposed, how many times does he go on TV a day? I don’t know because I don’t watch. He may be on TV pitching this or that, trying to sell the public on Climate Control, what have you. But I tell you what, I wouldn’t buy a roughly used auto industry from him ;)

Dr Evil on May 23, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Ohh, the horror.!

trailboss on May 23, 2009 at 6:12 PM

The only useful thing I ever learned in France: “boeuf tatar” may look like “Beef with tartar sauce” on the menu, but it is not

DarkCurrent on May 23, 2009 at 6:21 PM

I have been going through my dad’s old financial records. The following receipt for my brother’s birth was tucked in the front page of one of his ledgers. Dates were 2/16/48-3/1/48. Location. Iowa. Bill was paid in full by Dad.

2 days room and care @5.00 10.00
12 days @6.50 78.00
Operating room 25.00
Anesthetic 12.50
Medicine 2.60
Dressings 5.00
Laboratory 11.00
Laundry 5.00
Oxygen 2.00
Circumcision 2.00

Total $153.10

a capella on May 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM

mrsmwp on May 23, 2009 at 6:16 PM

I’m in Texas and they send flyers home with the kids for their shot updates (required for school admission) and they send it to where you can get the shots for free, dates, address, and times. The last flyer had 3 different sources where you could get free shots for mandatory inoculations. They do this for people who can’t afford Doctors visits, and the cost of shots. There are of course clinics all over the place, that don’t charge high fees, usually a sliding scale based on income, size of family ect…The Health Department also inoculates people, I don’t know if you have to be a citizen?

Dr Evil on May 23, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Delurking for a moment. AnninCa is from a lefty blog. Most recently NQ, Liberal Rapture, The Confluence. Mostly small liberal blogs that were hardline behind Hillary Clinton. Universal Healthcare cannot work in the US because of the shear size alone. I am from Germany and their system worked because of the small country size. But once the wall came down and the people from the east demanded the same social services the trouble started. Right now the system is overloaded and the taxation is going up more and the services are getting less. The only way a system like this would work somewhat if it would be run state by state. Back to lurking

utebell on May 23, 2009 at 6:29 PM

What I don’t understand is why health care or health insurance are federal issues at all. What’s next? Federal car insurance? Federal home owners’ insurance?

Health insurance is designed to protect a person/family from the devastating expenses of chronic health problems, expensive surgeries, and injuries from accidents. They are not meant to cover every sniffle or vaccination. Patients in ERs abuse the health system as do many Medicaid and Medicare patients because the care is “free.”

The SCHIP program already allows families of generous income to milk the public. Many who are not covered under some insurance plan have chosen not to do so, for their priorities are to spend their incomes elsewhere.

It would seem that providing more options for people to choose their insurance plan via the market, to have employee portability of a plan, or to encourage the purchase of health savings accounts would lessen the burden of health costs to individuals or families.

Obama and the rest of the destructive Dems are fear mongering over health care and climate simply to increase their power over the governed. The whole charge of creating fear or crisis, which they attribute to their political opposition is merely a sorry case of projection.

onlineanalyst on May 23, 2009 at 6:47 PM

utebell on May 23, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Are you ratting out AnninCA because you go to the same lefty blogs?

ladyingray on May 23, 2009 at 6:54 PM

No, this is a social decision. We make it together.

That’s the definition of culture.

AnninCA on May 23, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Sorry, AnninCA, but that is the collectivists’ mantra. We are a nation of individuals free to exercise our liberties, not a social hive. Our truly indigent have many safety nets to protect them. Creating dependency on government for those who don’t fall in those cracks is demoralizing and economically destructive.

onlineanalyst on May 23, 2009 at 7:00 PM

The hardest hit are the people in the $30-60K/yr income because we don’t qualify for help (which we don’t want anyway) but our incomes don’t support “good” insurance. Just my 2 cents!

mrsmwp on May 23, 2009 at 6:16 PM

If you don’t want help, then why moan?

DarkCurrent on May 23, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Forgive me if this has already been covered but I just watched that dreck again and it strikes me that he is so gung-ho about getting insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and healthcare providers to cut expenses by 1.5% because it translates to big dollars..

Uh, how about if the GUMMINT cut expenses by that much?

Barrack on May 23, 2009 at 7:10 PM

OBOOBA: Well, we are out of money now. We are operating in deep deficits, not caused by any decisions we’ve made on health care so far. This is a consequence of the crisis that we’ve seen and in fact our failure to make some good decisions on health care over the last several decades.

I hate it when a guy thinks I’m as stupid as he is.

“This has nothing to do with me,” -Obooba.

“No you commie prick, it’s you and your party’s fault, and you haven’t even ruined healthcare yet,” -Akzed.

Akzed on May 23, 2009 at 7:12 PM

progressoverpeace on May 23, 2009 at 1:44 PM

I agree with your points about our runaway judiciary–and it will get worse with the type of SC candidate Obama puts forth.

The other problem is the power invested in our government agencies. Obama is abusing the EPA to impose absurd regulations and to justify hidden taxes like those of cap and trade. He has politicized science to expand his power and refuses to listen to scientists that dispute his self-rightousness.

onlineanalyst on May 23, 2009 at 7:17 PM

a capella on May 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM

And if Medicare had been in place when your brother was born, that bill would have easily been ten times as high.

That’s what certain posters on this site don’t realize. Government benefits cannot exist in a vacuum. You will never collect enough funds to meet demand when services are free. The only way to maintain services to an increasing beneficiary base it is to either ration services or reduce compensation.

Medicare frequently accomplishes this by reducing compensation to doctors and hospitals. In order for doctors and hospitals to stay in business it must make up for the loss by overcharging those with money, i.e. cash payers and private insurance.

There is only one way to ensure people have access to quality health care. Free markets, glorious, unencumbered free markets. Remove the roadblocks to competition, and watch prices plummet and innovation skyrocket.

TheMightyMonarch on May 23, 2009 at 7:17 PM

I am from Germany and their system worked because of the small country size. But once the wall came down and the people from the east demanded the same social services the trouble started. Right now the system is overloaded and the taxation is going up more and the services are getting less. The only way a system like this would work somewhat if it would be run state by state. Back to lurking

utebell on May 23, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Why lurk? You clearly have a lot to contribute. Thanks for this information.

I’m still waiting (after at least 6 attempts on multiple threads) to get Ann to answer a simple Yes/No question:

“Have you ever lived under a nationalized healthcare system?”

No luck so far…

DarkCurrent on May 23, 2009 at 7:17 PM

If you don’t want help, then why moan?

DarkCurrent on May 23, 2009 at 7:07 PM

That was insensitive. Why am I such an insensitive jerk? Allah?

DarkCurrent on May 23, 2009 at 7:19 PM

DarkCurrent on May 23, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Well I have lived for a while in a socialized healthcare system in Germany. I am German. And like I said it works for a small country on a small scale with everybody participating. But like I said, once the wall came down it started to break down. That is why it would never work in the US because of the enourmous size of the country. On a State by State basis it could work, but then you have the problem if people move to other States then what? Excuse my mistakes, as I said I am German

utebell on May 23, 2009 at 7:27 PM

ladyingray on May 23, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Yes, I read all sides and mostly lurk. But I speak up when I read bs, and AnninCa is full of it. Growing up in Germany I propably have some different views that you would think liberal,but I am leaning more conservative. Mostly because I have two daughters in the AF and one is deployed in Iraq right now and the other one was there twice already. Of all the blogs I prefer HA and Ace

utebell on May 23, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Well I have lived for a while in a socialized healthcare system in Germany. I am German. And like I said it works for a small country on a small scale with everybody participating. But like I said, once the wall came down it started to break down. That is why it would never work in the US because of the enourmous size of the country. On a State by State basis it could work, but then you have the problem if people move to other States then what? Excuse my mistakes, as I said I am German

utebell on May 23, 2009 at 7:27 PM

I don’t know the German system, but I lived under the Japanese system before and it didn’t work well. I have a lot of boring personal anecdotes that support (or really formed) my opinion.

I didn’t detect any mistakes, btw. You should lurk less, post more.

DarkCurrent on May 23, 2009 at 7:35 PM

OBOOBA: Well, we are out of money now. We are operating in deep deficits, not caused by any decisions we’ve made on health care so far. This is a consequence of the crisis that we’ve seen and in fact our failure to make some good decisions on health care over the last several decades.

He want sus ot believe that it’s the fault of the best health care system in the world.

Akzed on May 23, 2009 at 7:36 PM

utebell, where in Germany? My daughter just recently returned from a 1 year exchange student program. She was in a suburb of Dresden. She loved Germany, even the former east!

DarkCurrent on May 23, 2009 at 7:41 PM

GWB wasted the last balanced budget we had, and now the Dems have to way overspend to just get the economy off of life support. build up some voting constituencies. All the future Medicaid and Medicare scary stuff hasn’t even hit yet.

trailboss on May 23, 2009 at 5:33 PM

You don’t “get an economy off of life support” by dreaming up more entitlement monstrosities to be funded by a government that is bankrupt. Common sense.

ddrintn on May 23, 2009 at 7:41 PM

In a sobering holiday interview with C-SPAN, President Obama boldly told Americans: “We are out of money.”

1. Was this interview before or after President TelePrompter gave an additional $4Billion to GM yesterday??

2. How much will he spend to close Gitmo?

TN Mom on May 23, 2009 at 7:41 PM

***

The key to health care “reform” lies in Tort Reform.

***

Key West Reader on May 23, 2009 at 2:21 PM
I agree that a key to reform lies in tort reform. The WSJ has reported in the past year or so how a few states that have done so are thriving.

I’m sure that the Dems aren’t proposing it, and I’m not aware that the GOP is either.

That’s unfortunate.

BuckeyeSam on May 23, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Are you aware of the political cash that trial lawyers pay during campaigns? They are a bloc that own our legislators.

onlineanalyst on May 23, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Obama: Hey, we’re out of money

Except for that nine trillion we’ve managed to “misplace”.

Recklessness run amok. Even in confirming we’re broke the god-emperor seems to be 1) blaming pastward regimes, and 2) pressing the argument that the long-term bind should not be used as an excuse to not overspend in the short term, (e.g., socialized medicine). We must make the “investment” in nationalizing the Health Care industry now! Right on the heals of the financial and banking industries.

KentAllard on May 23, 2009 at 7:48 PM

So we’ve got a short-term problem, which is we had to spend a lot of money to salvage our financial system, we had to deal with the auto companies, a huge recession which drains tax revenue at the same time it’s putting more pressure on governments to provide unemployment insurance or make sure that food stamps are available for people who have been laid off.

Where did all the stimulus money go? TOTUS said (back in Feb) it was for ’shovel ready’ projects to grow jobs and unemployment funds at the state level…

TN Mom on May 23, 2009 at 7:48 PM

Circumcision $2.00

a capella on May 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM

♪ Those were the days… ♫

Glenn Jericho on May 23, 2009 at 7:51 PM

DarkCurrent on May 23, 2009 at 7:41 PM

I grew up in a little village right on the border with East Germany,where half of my relatives lived. I later went to school in Bamberg, north east of Nuremberg, where I also worked for Bosch

utebell on May 23, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Put yer tin hat back on and settle down. The US has been out of money every year since the end of the Clinton sexual orgy administration. What do you think deficit spending means? GWB wasted the last balanced budget we had, and now the Dems have to way overspend to just get the economy off of life support. All the future Medicaid and Medicare scary stuff hasn’t even hit yet.

trailboss on May 23, 2009 at 5:33 PM

You seem to act as if

1. The Dems have not controlled Congress for almost 2.5 years.

2. The GOP did not have a lot to do with keeping things under control with CLinton in office.

3. That even if out of power that the DEMS own no responsibility for spending under Bush. You mean to tell me they voted down even their own pet projects. Yeh right.

4. That the massive spending we are doing is a good thing when actually it will ruin us and invite more failure not less.

Jamson64 on May 23, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Well, welcome utebell.

God (or mother earth or whatever ;-) bless your daughters.

—-

I do have compassion for people like mrsmwp who are paying much more for medical care than they would if the government wasn’t already so deeply involved.

An insidious effect of “liberalism” is that it tries to turn us all into rent seekers, i.e., beggars for our “fair share” of the collective/confiscated pie.

mockmook on May 23, 2009 at 7:58 PM

We’re out of money so let’s spend Trillions on healthcare entitlements for illeagals and porch sitters who don’t work and don’t like going to Health Departments/FREE Clinics?

Sure it makes sense. If you’re a half-term Senator who has never held a real job!

Oh, and President TelePrompter is giving ACORN $6Billion for census which could be spent on his healthcare!

TN Mom on May 23, 2009 at 7:58 PM

TN Mom on May 23, 2009 at 7:58 PM

TrailApple thinks it is so …it must be true.

/s

Jamson64 on May 23, 2009 at 8:06 PM

mrsmwp on May 23, 2009 at 6:16 PM

Look at that bill summary a capella posted, then realize that you can literally trace the skyrocketing cost of health care since the government became involved via Medicare. Excellent health care can be had at my local hospital ER. And then the dead-beat accounts are “write-offs”, the cost of which are rolled back into the hospitals operating expense and passed on to insurance companies and people like yourself in the form of higher costs.

In health care, as in nearly everything else, government is not the solution, it’s the problem.

oldleprechaun on May 23, 2009 at 8:07 PM

utebell on May 23, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Welcome to the “asylum”!!

oldleprechaun on May 23, 2009 at 8:09 PM

Oh I commented here once before on the “Michelle’s toned arms” thingy. I am the welder who can knock her on her ass.

utebell on May 23, 2009 at 8:20 PM

It has been pretty clear for some time that AnninCA is a Hillarybot.

onlineanalyst on May 23, 2009 at 8:26 PM

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