Video: Obama takes swipe at Iraq war — at Naval Academy commencement
posted at 1:53 pm on May 22, 2009 by Allahpundit
A parting shot at Cheney about “necessary” wars from a guy who reminded us just yesterday about how important it is to look forward, not backward, unless he’s in a political jam and needs to blame Bush for something. For all the leftist hyperventilating about Cheney’s supposed sleaziness — and as usual, Olbermann takes the cake — Lowry has The One dead to rights about his own casual caricaturing of the opposition:
For all his championing of nuance, Obama comes back to one source for every dilemma: Bush, as though without his predecessor every question about how a nation of laws protects itself from a lawless enemy would be easy. Under Bush, according to Obama, we set our “principles aside as luxuries we could no longer afford.” Even now, there are those — are you listening, Mr. Former V.P.? — “who think that America’s safety and success require us to walk away from the sacred principles enshrined in this building.” What a shoddy smear…
Excoriating Bush is good politics for Obama, which is what makes his repeated exhortations to look ahead so disingenuous. In his speech, he rued that “we have a return of the politicization of these issues.” In other words: Dick Cheney, please shut up. But when did the politicization of these issues end? Has the Left ever stopped braying about Bush’s war crimes?
What makes this nod to politics at Annapolis’s commencement especially cheap is that John McCain, whose son graduated today, was in the audience. That’s the same John McCain who gave Obama cover last night on Fox News by reiterating his belief that waterboarding is torture, the same John McCain whom The One is counting on for further cover in closing Guantanamo, and the same John McCain who concluded, in all apparent good faith, that the Iraq war was necessary after all. And still, Obama couldn’t help himself. Click the image to watch.
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The very fact that Obambi is calling “Mr. Former VP” out shows that Cheney not only won but cleaned the panzies clock!
Obama lost some major points and if he continues his numbers will begin to drop even more. Way to go Cheney!
Cheney’s confidence exudes the wons rhetoric which is all it is.
hey stupid, it’s the Economy! Maybe we can be guards in Gitmo
will sass u on May 22, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Oops. Should have been http://www.factcheck.org/Uploadedfiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg
justincase on May 22, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Yeap, and I helped! :-)
ladyingray on May 22, 2009 at 3:49 PM
My prayers are with your son.
ladyingray on May 22, 2009 at 3:50 PM
I went to my daughters end of the year band concert last night. The seniors were recognized…and 5 of them stood. 4 of the 5 are off to the military, right after graduation. I was so proud to stand, clap, and cheer for them. They have, and will always have my support.
To your son, and his friend, my claps, cheers, and support, and prayers included. They have my gratitude as well.
capejasmine on May 22, 2009 at 3:51 PM
@SKYFOX
Thanks for the laugh and thanks for the prayers, I’ll pass the message along.
Boudica on May 22, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Never happen. Even if they do not respect the man, most military personnel have too much respect for the office to even consider such a thing.
coyoterex on May 22, 2009 at 3:54 PM
LOL, the quaint term “Bush adventure” conveniently ignores the fact that a majority of the US Congress signed off on that adventure, including many Democrats. In the Senate, those Democrats that approved this “adventure” included the 2004 joke of a Presidential nominee, as well as O’bama’s Secretary of State, who said at the time she relied on her husband’s intel people to make her decision. And out of all of the Senate Democrats who voted in favor of Bush’s adventure, only 12 have said they made a mistake.
Just curious-you claim to have initially supported the Iraq War, but suddenly changed your mind in 2003? I’m sure your decision was influenced by the Leftist media trying to change the template of the war in order to get their hack elected in 2004.
Del Dolemonte on May 22, 2009 at 3:54 PM
@ladyingray
Thanks to you too, and prayers for your son in Korea. My husband did a tour there in the 90s and I have friends there now on a tour (with dependents). They love Seoul, although my husband was farther up north and didn’t like it so much. I hope the time goes by fast and he is home soon. :)
Boudica on May 22, 2009 at 3:54 PM
First things first. Enforce the Constitution. Apply the vote and the haranging of our legislators to LISTEN TO US. Be prepared for all things as best we can. But utilize the law to OUR advantage: hold our elected officials accountable FIRST AND FOREMOST, and where Socialists depart from Constitutional boundaries, THEY ARE IN THE WRONG. Vote them out, and vote out their programs on two counts: unconstitutional AND NO FUNDING. Never relinquish the high ground, regardless of context. Utilize all means, but never forfeit strategic advantage and LEGITIMACY.
You bring up our Revolutionary War that FOLLOWED decades of consistent diplomatic efforts to convince the King and House of Lords of our political maturity, to grant us a voting member (not just a bystanding, auditing observer) somewhere in Parliament (House of Commons). EVERY loyal avenue was utilized, and met with disdain and rebuff, and encore attempted again and again.
Conservatives swear an oath to uphold the Constitution, as do Liberals, whether politicians or troops. In order to preserve our Constitutional Government, we will not abandon it. We will persevere and WIN ELECTIONS based upon our love of country, a country that consists of all things. HOLD our government employees RESPONSIBLE for accomplishing their job descriptions, no excuse for either abuse or neglect of job responsibility and authority. Coming down hard on government officials requires action that includes peaceful public demonstrations, like the Tea Parties, and voter turn-out.
We are counting on the prodigal sons and daughters coming to their senses. It helps if they are not on drugs, whether illicit or prescription. Too many anti-depressants getting pushed these days, btw. Neurologists are extremely wary of the pharmaceutical industry’s effect on our population. Going into universal govt. health care is handing Big Brother our DNA and direct authority to manipulate our body and mind via drugs and procedures; that eventuality is really to be avoided at all costs.
maverick muse on May 22, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Your son must be one of the good ones-only the best get sent to Afghanistan. Thank him for us for his service.
Del Dolemonte on May 22, 2009 at 3:59 PM
Yeah. our prez has a lot of class……….all low. A uniter he is not!
GFW on May 22, 2009 at 4:08 PM
J.E. Dyer on May 22, 2009 at 3:11 PM
el rey on May 22, 2009 at 3:12 PM
“I I, weak weak, Me undisciplined,” /loop
Here’s the clincher: Obiboy, you’re so vain. He obviously didn’t get it or he’d never have thrown the egg all over his face in front of all those Navy graduates. So here’s the question, has he figured out yet his grotesque error in judgment?
IF Obama were intelligent, he would not have given that speech to that audience. He is a loser of the worst sort, he won’t admit he yet needs advice from the likes of Cheney. Peabrains are like that, willfully negligent.
maverick muse on May 22, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Del, he’ll get a kick out of that, he can use it to tease his Dad, who has been to Iraq twice. :) (Just got back in Feb.)
Military people are proud to serve, you guys get it, most libs (Obama included) see us as uneducated victims with no other choice but to join the Army, which is very insulting. So thanks to all for the support, I’m mostly a lurker here but it does my heart good to see that there’s *real* hope, not just sickly manufactured “hopium”. :)
Boudica on May 22, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Did Obama poll any Iraqis before being this much of an A$$HOLE in front of people who have already served their nation longer that Obama has and realize their lives are on the line in their chosen profession?
This guy just pisses me off to no end. On a good day he’s worse than Carter and Clinton combined on a bad day.
Obama might want to steer clear of Memorial Day ceremonies for fear of learning what some of us think of him.
jcrue on May 22, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Our best wishes are with him, Boudica. God’s Speed.
maverick muse on May 22, 2009 at 4:13 PM
I miss Bush. I truly, honestly do. He was willing to make
difficult decisionsdecisions period.Yes, employ peaceful means whenever necessary, but if military means are required, then have at them. Even Carter realized this – Iran Hostages.
KillerKane on May 22, 2009 at 4:15 PM
maverick muse at 3:55
I don’t know if you’ve read what I said about contacting the FBI, but I absolutely believe that we need to use the means at our disposal. What do we do when our entire law enforcement system is corrupt? That is an honest, earnest, and painful question for me right now.
We have three branches of government according to the US Constitution: legislative, judicial, and executive. If law enforcement doesn’t exist and the executive and legislative are taking over private money to subsidize those who will re-elect them…. what’s left?
These Chrysler people who had their money stolen and given to the unions by the legislative-enabled executive branch – who were threatened by the executive branch and then told none of it is their business by the judicial branch…. what means do they have at their disposal? How many voters in this nation will oust these crooks by the vote when every other branch of government and the media are willing to kiss his behind the whole time?
Do you have any idea what we’re up against? (Don’t answer. I know you do.) Somebody in another thread posted to a youtube clip which concentrated on “Current Communist Goals”, an appendix to the Congressional Record on January 10, 1963. The document can be seen at http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/communist-goals-congressional.htm I read that and I can see the python just beginning to squeeze but its coils already all the way around every square inch of this country’s body.
At this time last year I would never in a million years have imagined David Horowitz saying that people like me are crazy to think that the Constitution and our whole system of law enforcement is trivial to the good of this nation. The python has already squeezed off the arms and legs of this nation’s body. How do we fight when we can’t even agree that there’s a body worth fighting for?
You mention anti-depressants. I have to say I’d probably be dead if I wasn’t on an anti-depressant, and I struggle with why I should pay any attention to news or politics when I can’t do a dang thing about any of it anyway. Seeing the world around us would drive any sane person crazy. I try to fight the coils around us and I’M the one who is called insane, by the very people I need to be with me in the fight if any of us is going to win any headway.
I hear people like Hawkdriver and I hate it that all of us together are too wimpy to do anything to help these guys who are carrying all the weight for us. I feel like such a slug and I hate knowing that we are failing people who deserve so much better from us.
I’ll give it my best, but right now I’m knee-high to a worm.
justincase on May 22, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Oh and happy memorial day weekend to you all, The President concluded….yeah not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Dr Evil on May 22, 2009 at 4:16 PM
LOL, that is only according to one poll…a CNN poll, at that. CNN also told us for a decade that Saddam Hussein wasn’t torturing his own people.
Other recent polls by other pollsters show different results. For the first time ever, Gallup’s most recent poll showed a majority of Americans are not pro choice, they are pro life.
http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm
Del Dolemonte on May 22, 2009 at 4:17 PM
My cheers, claps, and prayers for your son, as well Boudica.
And I agree with you, 100%.
capejasmine on May 22, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Did someone finally shut stranglet up or did it just slither off to sully another thread?
Thanks to all the HA parents, spouses, grandparents, and selves that serve our fine nation. Our hats are off to you and yours!
HornetSting on May 22, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Oh, geez, I screwed that up. Should be
At this time last year I would never in a million years have imagined David Horowitz saying that people like me are crazy to think that the Constitution and our whole system of law enforcement AREN’T trivial to the good of this nation.
justincase on May 22, 2009 at 4:20 PM
jcrue on May 22, 2009 at 4:12 PM
He is the fool, actually thinking that the majority of Americans really believe his deceit.
True enough, a majority of voters HOPED they’d get what they wanted.
But Obama ain’t that.
That realization will hit Obama like David’s pebble hit Goliath.
maverick muse on May 22, 2009 at 4:21 PM
The son of a good friend of mine was killed in Afghanistan last October by an IED. He had re-enlisted in the National Guard at the age of 36, after first enlisting in the Marines right out of high school and then working as a police officer for 18 years.
He volunteered for Afghanistan, and the night he was killed had volunteered to “take the point” in his convoy, in order to protect the younger soldiers with him.
At his military funeral, the Governor of New Hampshire was there, along with most of the NH delegation to Congress, with 2 exceptions. Republican Judd Gregg was busy in Portsmouth that day christening the new attack sub USS New Hampshire, so he had a good excuse to be absent.
But Democrat Carole Che-Porter was a no-show, and was proud of it. She’s trash.
Del Dolemonte on May 22, 2009 at 4:22 PM
I certainly don’t like Democrats either with very few exceptions, and the media and Democrats enabling Bush to do whatever he wants in 2003 was awful. The Democrats aren’t really anti-war. Historically, the Republicans are actually the anti-war party, which is why I hold more hope for them than the Dems.
The Dean on May 22, 2009 at 4:22 PM
She couldn’t believe it when she read the 2002 Authorization of Force in Iraq, and saw how many reasons we had to take out serial torturer Saddam Hussein and his goons.
Del Dolemonte on May 22, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Del Dolemonte on May 22, 2009 at 4:17 PM
I’m waiting for the poll about polls; which poll is believable and to what extent to you believe the following pollsters [Rasmussen, Pew, Gallup, etc.].
maverick muse on May 22, 2009 at 4:24 PM
I turned when the WMDs were confirmed as a farce. That sent me over the edge. ‘Twas a disappointment, since I had voted for Bush in 2000 because I thought he’d have a prudent foreign policy.
The Dean on May 22, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Democrat Carole Che-Porter
may worms have your cold heart
maverick muse on May 22, 2009 at 4:28 PM
First of all, the Democrats had the same intel info Bush had. That’s not letting Bush being able to do what he wanted.
As for the Democratrs not being anti-war, I guess Vietnam happened before you were born?
Del Dolemonte on May 22, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Good show. I can’t believe she can actually turn on a computer, much less make a complete sentence.
HornetSting on May 22, 2009 at 4:32 PM
We did find WMDs there. Just not as many as the Clinton Administration claimed were there. We also found a bunch of human WMDs there.
Have you actually read the 2002 Iraq Authorization, in its entirety? WMDs were only one out of over 20 reasons we went into Iraq.
Del Dolemonte on May 22, 2009 at 4:33 PM
It’s easy to find out which polls are reliable-check their methodology, Most pollsters include a 20+ page pdf file with their polls showing who made up their polling sample, what questions were asked, etc.
However, some pollsters, like CNN, refuse to release this data, which proves they have something to hide.
A couple of weeks ago an al-AP “poll” turned out to have a polling sample that had twice as many Democrats as Republicans. Repeat, twice as many.
Del Dolemonte on May 22, 2009 at 4:35 PM
farce: to stuff; to improve by stuffing.
Dean is loose with his vocabulary.
The Weapons of Mass Destruction existed. Whether or not they were still viable was the question. Hussein refused to put up, and wouldn’t shut up. Hussein said he still had them. ALL INTERNATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, America’s included, FEARED THE WORST for obvious reasons.
To say after the fact that information was willingly stuffed to pad distrust is Dean’s bane, following Pelosi’s rationale of calling the CIA liars just for the hell of it, “because she could.” Calling Bush’s best information a farce now is cowardly and incorrect.
Unlike Obama, Bush studied from those in authority and did his homework in order to perform responsibly in the Oval Office. Obama’s studies are what is the farce. Obama’s entire life is the farce. Obama is THE farce.
maverick muse on May 22, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Del Dolemonte on May 22, 2009 at 4:35 PM
yep.
Bloggers jumping on any poll’s bandwagon need to value comparative studies.
maverick muse on May 22, 2009 at 4:39 PM
This guy should gag every time he mentions the Constitution because he has desecrated it ever since being sworn in (twice). His name will go down in history with the likes of Chavez, Castro, Putin, etc. Sadly, he will take us down with him.
hillbilly on May 22, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Del Dolemonte on May 22, 2009 at 4:30 PM
As things turned out on television, yes, the kids protesting to the point of HATING our troops and people shunning our Vietnam Vets for DECADES.
But JFK chose to wag that dog to look tough after melting in front of Khrushchev. So much for Kennedy’s opinion of the French. Now re-think his famous words: Ask not what your country can do for you. Fellow citizens of the world, Ask not what America can do for you.
Obama.
maverick muse on May 22, 2009 at 4:46 PM
The Dean, did you ever read the Duelfer Report? Not the press articles about it but the real thing? Duelfer started with a letter where he warns the media against putting out headlines like, “No WMD’s Found” – which would totally miss the point of the report, which was that SAddam was a DIRE threat for multiple reasons, and that his plan of buying out the media to undermine Britain and the US might have even worked, if Saddam hadn’t angered Bush by siding with Al Qaeda after 9-11.
Have you seen the memo where Uday Hussein was requesting suicide bombers to carry out worldwide terrorist missions against US, British, and Israeli interests?
How about the memo shortly after Czech intelligence identified Mohammad Atta as the one who had met with Al Ani in Prague – the memo where Saddam’s folks told him to prepare for US to go to war with Iraq and Afghanistan because the US had proof that it was them who had done it?
Have you seen the reports where Saddam is instructing their weapons to be made so that they can be claimed for legitimate uses such as agriculture fertilizer, etc, but can very quickly be combined to make WMD’s? We found lots of that stuff but because it couldn’t be PROVEN to be intended for WMD it was poo-poohed – just as Saddam said it would be.
Saddam also said on tape that terrorist attacks would be coming against America – because of course it couldn’t be proven that any government authorized such attacks. (Well, we’ve got Uday’s memo requesting these very attacks against the US…. and it still isn’t considered “proven” that Iraq was a sponsor of terrorists. But then, we also know they harbored, funded, and trained terrorists who intended to strike the USA also – including Egyptian Jihad (whose leader is now AQ #2) – but that’s not considered proof either…)
justincase on May 22, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Talking about the death of journalism, and the media that gave the world Obama:
a speech made by JFK before the American Newspaper Publishers Association where he warns the press about the secret societies that are the real power.
maverick muse on May 22, 2009 at 4:57 PM
What’s missing is that both Carter and Clinton, for all their faults, had a sense of perspective. I don’t think either had Obama’s God complex. Obama simply has no humility, which will make the inevitable slippage devastating for him.
ddrintn on May 22, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Crawl off and die you God damn liar. We just put one of our own on a C17 not a half hour ago here in Kandarhar while his Co-pilot sat in front of me in his wheelchair in the formation. Tell me he died in vain.
Scratch that, you’re too stupid to know. I’ll answer for you. None of them died in vain. And if you really had a friend who died in the war you wouldn’t even say such a thing.
You talk a lot about the war like you have some insight or were there. Bull sh1t! Like you really had friends who died. I just don’t believe you. The ramp ceremony tonight was real. One man on his way home almost before his family even knew.
Just shut up. Don’t disgrace us anymore by even mentioning the military with your vile lips. Just go away.
And Strangelet, you can go with him.
You God damned freak trolls. Just please go away!
hawkdriver on May 22, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Dean,
1) As the President of the US (taking the oath to preserve and protect) in the real world (not the armchair, monday-morning water-cooler world), what choice if Bush have?
2) How did Syria come up with the materials to make an atomic reactor that the Israeli’s bombed out of existence in 2007?
3) Georges Sada, former 2nd in command of Saddams Air Force said that the atomic materials were flown to Syria prior to the start of the war…and you and the MSM have better knowledge than he has??
colonelkurtz on May 22, 2009 at 5:21 PM
hawkdriver — the trolls won’t go away, but they can’t make you pay any attention to them either.
My heart and prayers are with you in your loss. It never gets any easier. Stay strong, shipmate, and come home whole — with your shield, not on it.
J.E. Dyer on May 22, 2009 at 5:40 PM
http://www.pollingreport.com claims on their masthead to be “non-partisan”-yet they refuse to even admit the Rasmussen Poll exists. And Rasmussen was better than any other pollster in predicting the outcome of the 2008 election.
Del Dolemonte on May 22, 2009 at 5:41 PM
“a speech made by JFK before the American Newspaper Publishers Association where he warns the press about the secret societies that are the real power.
Rubbish – Kenndy was warning about Communism.
davod on May 22, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Geraldo, is that you?
TheQuestion on May 22, 2009 at 5:49 PM
a very heartfelt and solemn +1
Ampersand on May 22, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Can someone make a video of Obama’s speech at Annapolis and Bush’s last speech there? That would be a great contrast.
bryan2369 on May 22, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Oh, and I’m doing my part to observe Memorial day by taking my family to NAS Patuxent River Air Expo this Sunday. Hope it doesn’t rain!
bryan2369 on May 22, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Does anyone else feel defiled after watching that despicable cowardly sack of shit speak to the reals heroes of this country as their CinC?
csdeven on May 22, 2009 at 6:19 PM
The applause kind of reminded me of “golf clap.”
Star20 on May 22, 2009 at 6:30 PM
Thanks. My son has been there since February but I think he wants to want until this time next year to come home…he’s waiting for his friend to come home from Afghanistan so they can take leave at the same time.
ladyingray on May 22, 2009 at 6:33 PM
I’m sorry for your loss…you brought tears to my eyes.
ladyingray on May 22, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Hawk, I hear you. Don’t let them distract you. They are less than fleas on rats…
ladyingray on May 22, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Notice that the applause TOTUS got were all golf-claps?
He had the unmitigated gall to flat-out lie to the midshipman that “we are investing in the latest technologies, the littoral combat ships, the worlds finest submarines and the best fighter(planes) blah blah blah….”
The reality is that he just cut a whopping portion of the F-22 Raptor buy and he’s scaling back on everything else too. When he’s done with it, the Navy will probably have to revert back to sailing ships and the Marine Corps revert back to muskets. After all, wind is free and eco-friendly! And muskets aren’t “assault rifles”!
His speech was so sickening there are probably a lot of meals getting puked up in Bancroft Hall tonite.
CatchAll on May 22, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Seriously …no other President in my lifetime has spent so much time blaming the prior President. I do not even see this in sports or even in my own experiences in the private sector. Obama is seriously lacking as a person and as a leader.
Jamson64 on May 22, 2009 at 6:49 PM
It is not the critic who counts;
not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly;
who errs and comes short again and again;
because there is not effort without error and shortcomings;
but who does actually strive to do the deed;
who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly.
So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
– Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President of the United States
Thank you, and all those in the United States Armed Forces, for being devoted to a worthy cause.
Loxodonta on May 22, 2009 at 6:54 PM
1. Words, words, words, but yet again, no deeds. Ask those participating in the Afghan surge whether they have what they need to win their campaign.
2. A non-warrior addressing warriors graduating from warrior training school is insulting. (Imagine Joe Biden speaking at a Ranger School graduation.)
3. As has been the case with every Democrat at a service academy graduation, nothing is sacred; all is open for political exploitation.
Send_Me on May 22, 2009 at 7:06 PM
csdeven at 6:19
I couldn’t bring myself to watch it for that very reason. The guy isn’t worthy to shine their shoes.
justincase on May 22, 2009 at 7:58 PM
LOL, that is the exact description I was looking for.
Del Dolemonte on May 22, 2009 at 8:09 PM
Glad to see that O is continuing Clinton’s tradition of using the service academy’s graduations as an oportunity to further his own political agenda.
cobrakai99 on May 22, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Forget the honorary degree… give this schmuck an honorary set of balls. Michelle’s obviously carrying around the originals in her handbag – taking a hupe leap of faith that there were some originals.
Roc on May 22, 2009 at 9:39 PM
So is Obama a chickenhawk…..funny how that word had fallen out of favor
Jamson64 on May 22, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Here we go agaiiiinnnnn…:
The Dean:
Proof? And even so, how does this matter?
Repeating it ad-nausem does not make it so, gu’vner.
And you have already shown your poor judgment by blaming WILSON for WWII instead of, oh, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, the Japanese Junta… so, forgive me if I am unwilling to consider your “judgemnet” reliable.
Um, would not “owning up to their mistakes” not involve FORGIVING Bush and defending him against the charges they previously never stood on?
What planet are you on, and have you read any newspapers there recently?
Coming from someone who believes it was a mistake to counter German Tyranny in WWI and Pre-Pearl Harbor WWII. Forgive me if your definition of “failed policies of the past” are entirely different from mine.
Because, after all, we all know there is no use in going abroad and fighting for Democracy because we all know if we just stick our heads in the sand, everything will be right in the world, right?
In many cases, that is true.
Would that be Bismarckean Conservatism or Metternichian Conservatism?
Somehow, I think the rest of the world would rightly abhor suh reactionaries.
And with good cause.
And how do you know they aren’t?
Right, because EVERYBODY knows that ONLY bad and unworthy causes run into trouble and miscalculations, while all RIGHTFUL and JUST causes skim along to victory on the backs of fluffy unicorns.
See Verdun, the Somme, the Ardennes, Guadalcanal, and the Chosin.
Well, guess what? I’ve had several brushes with the cost of it firsthand, so put the moralizing away, because I’ve probably had it worse, and I still support it. Why?
Because, when you actually have studied history enough to know who started WWII, you also know that just causes often come with a hefty price tag. And it is something I have had to accept.
So quit your whining.
strangelet:
I am STILL waiting for those responses, knave.
Um, that’s what we have been doing for the past few hours. Have you missed something?
A. If you knew anything, you would know they are NOT witches.
B. THIS is going to be hillarious…
Agreed.
Define “Islamic State.” Yes, Iraq is a majority-muslim nation, and yes, several of its laws are troubling, but it is far from a theocracy, and unlike other nations, it actually has the mechanisms to slowly weed out its unpleasant laws.
True. And they can also WRITE IT OUT. Do you think OUR Constitution was perfect when we first drafted it?
True.
But that was only to prevent the Islamists from “CHOOSING” the next battlefield FOR us.
True. And this means what?
Maybe, but he did a damn fine job all things considered.
For somebody who never reads history books in the NOW, you certainly know a lot about history books in the FUTURE.
Do you have any PROOF, though?
We have. Forgive us if we do not believe he did as badly as you idiots think, however.
Not really. The Islamists always got #1 pickings on the screwing.
It isn’t MY most cherished issue.
The former is true, but the latter? How do you know, particularly given the recent polls? Are you just pulling numbers out of your butt?
No.
1. We are at war.
2. There are two new, imperfect Democracies were previously there were two terrorist safe havens and one unstable military kleptocrat.
3. Stem Cell was a fabian victory for us, given the new advances and the discovery of Stem Cells in the Amniotic fluids.
True, and that is something we are not happy about.
No he did not.
He sacrificed our troops in a defense war against the Islamists and their backers while lavishly supporting them, taking heat, and choosing the battlefields we were best equipped to fight on.
But of course, facts do not matter to you.
Ranting away does not make it so.
Unfortunately.
Proof?
No. We went to war because he was a torturing support of Al-Qaeda, a threat to the Persian Gulf, an unstable tyrant who was into WMD, a man who had violated his part of the ceasefire, and who refused to knuckle down and stop supporting the Islamists.
True.
But by refusing to depose them, you effectively defend and abet them, knave.
This was a war of the JIHAD’S choice and Saddam’s choice.
They made their descisions.
And we must fight them.
Well, that was about as many who died in the Meuse-Argonne or in Pusan in, oh, EVERY OTHER FRICKING DAY, or in the Ardennes in about an hour.
Forgive me if casualties do not invalidate the rationale for war.
How juvenile. How idiotic. THIS is the best you can do?
I hope you have your bib on.
Turtler on May 23, 2009 at 5:03 AM
+ 1,000,000
Or as my sister says, Hells Yes.
Animator Girl on May 23, 2009 at 8:43 PM
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