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posted at 11:20 am on May 22, 2009 by Doctor Zero
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The Dow dropped another 150 points on Thursday, leaving it at 8292.13. It bounces around a bit, but it seems to be stuck around 600 points below where it was on the day Barack Obama was elected President. It peaked at 14908.08 in October 2007. Unemployment stands at 8.6%, after hanging around four to five percent during most of President Bush’s term. When nothing came of its multi-billion dollar “stimulus” plans and bailouts, the government started pouring good money after bad, just recently announcing it will throw another $7.5 billion at General Motors Acceptance Corporation, on top of the $5 billion it has already spent. Uncle Sam is also converting $884 million in loans to GMAC into equity, which means you, the taxpayer, are being forced to buy 35% interest in a disintegrating financial company, whose stock you wouldn’t normally purchase without getting drunk first. There are about 128 million taxpayers in the United States, so your share works out to a little over a hundred bucks taken out of your wallet and paid to GMAC since December. An already shaky auto industry is about to get walloped by new federally-mandated fuel efficiency increases, which is likely to depress new car sales as upper-income buyers cling to big, comfortable vehicles they won’t be able to purchase any more. And California has turned into a malignant tumor that will suck billions out of productive states with sane government, as the inevitable federal bailouts begin.

It’s hard to see any of the signs of renewed economic growth that Obama keeps hallucinating about in press conferences. It’s time for some real economic stimulus – the fraudulent pork bill shoved down the nation’s throat by Democrats didn’t even pretend to “stimulate” anything until 2010. How do you stimulate an economy? Well, throwing money at favored constituencies doesn’t work – if those constituencies were wealth creators, they wouldn’t need infusions of pork. Bailing out failed business models is merely subsidizing failure. There are two things that would provide immediate stimulus: tax cuts, which spur positive business growth immediately, because quarterly and yearly business plans take upcoming tax rates into consideration, and the creation of new markets for businesses to exploit. Obama’s corporate socialism has the needs of the economy exactly reversed – instead of having government take over failed businesses, we need failed government programs to be released into the private sector, spurring employment and spending on infrastructure. The private sector would love to gain the opportunity to bring its innovation and energy to a previously moribund government-controlled industry, and the taxes formerly collected to fund a bloated and inefficient federal department could flow directly into the pockets of taxpaying citizens, like a jolt of electricity. To rescue our economy, it’s time for some of that out-of-the-box thinking we keep hearing this Administration values. Let’s set partisan considerations aside and do something dramatic.

Mr. President, it’s time to privatize education.

According to the U.S. Department of Education, roughly $553 billion was collected in tax revenue to fund the public school system in 2007. I couldn’t find any 2008 numbers, but of course they’re bound to be even higher. Can you imagine the economic stimulus of dropping a half-trillion dollar market into the private sector? The frenzy of companies forming to compete for the best teachers, build the most attractive educational infrastructure, and market their services to discerning parents would be astonishing.

The tax savings to citizens would be significant. Of course, we would need to provide educational vouchers for lower-income citizens, so some educational taxes would still need to be collected… but the federal government current spends over $9000 per year, on average, to educate each student. It’s much higher than that in some areas, most notably Washington, D.C., which spends a whopping $25,000.00 per student. Does anyone doubt that competitive private schools can do better, especially when the economies of scale for handling seventy million customers kick in? Parochial schools already offer superior education at less than half the average cost of government schools.

American public education is a textbook study of a failed government program. American students lag behind the rest of the developed world in almost every category, and their performance gets worse with every passing year. As far back as the early Eighties, the Education Secretary released a report called A Nation At Risk: The Imperative for Education Reform, which included this infamous statement: “If an unfriendly power had attempted to impose on America the mediocre educational performance that exists today, we might well have viewed it as an act of war.” Things have gotten a lot worse in the last 25 years, not least because of the tremendous amount of time wasted on foolish political indoctrination, including mandatory training in the official state religion of environmentalism – something that has gotten so out of hand that a “separation of church and state” lawsuit is just itching to be filed. The Obamas obviously had the good sense to keep their daughters far away from the awful public schools of Washington… just like every single liberal Democrat president before them.

The government has proven utterly unable to cope with the most disruptive elements of public education, a dreary litany of horrors that every parent can recite by heart: disruptive students, disconnected parents, violence in the schools, grade inflation, and the crush of immigrant students from families that refuse to assimilate. Hidebound government functionaries can’t conceive of any solutions to these problems, but I’ll bet highly motivated, innovative private entrepreneurs can. Parents who can shop around for the best schools will vote with their feet if private schools don’t measure up. The District of Columbia was filled with parents who desperately pursued an opportunity to escape from the hell created by Congress and the teachers’ unions – until Obama took it away from them.

Much of the cost of public education comes from a bloated, union-heavy bureaucracy, tangled in a cozy relationship with Jimmy Carter’s Department of Education. The teachers’ unions are heavy contributors to the Democrat Party, and they receive value for their money, with tired 60s radicals settled into tenured positions, and a vast army of federal officials and union apparatchiks crushing good teachers who struggle valiantly to provide a decent education in a crazy system. The flaws in government education are grown through every brick of public schools, like a vine that can’t be cleared away without bringing the whole building down. Everyone familiar with the state educational system knows there is no way to reform it – its problems are built in to a system that provides such tremendous opportunities for political indoctrination, has so few mechanisms for dealing with poor teacher performance, and provides huge funds to a union that uses them to buy vast political power.

Have the courage to make a sacrifice for America, Mr. Obama – it’s time for your government, your Party, and Bill Ayers to make do with less for a change. Dissolve the Department of Education, promote a right-to-work law that will shatter the teachers’ union, and begin the privatization of the educational system. It would go a long way toward getting us back to the economic performance and unemployment figures of your predecessor, which so far you have only been able to regard with envy and confusion. It might get us back to a 10,000 Dow… and produce a class of 2010 that understands exactly what that means.

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Good luck with that.

mcg on May 22, 2009 at 11:22 AM

A simple plan to save the economy …….

Look at what California’s doing.

Do the opposite.

fogw on May 22, 2009 at 11:24 AM


…promote a right-to-work law …”

100% agree with that. Every state should enact a right to work law. No one should be forced to be part of union just so they can work.

theguardianii on May 22, 2009 at 11:26 AM

The tax savings to citizens would be significant.

Well we can’t let that happen now, can we? The purpose of our Government is to raise taxes, not lower them.

Get with the program, Comrade’s.

Knucklehead on May 22, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Why are you applying common sense solutions to these problems? It’s like you’re actually trying to fix it or something.

Doughboy on May 22, 2009 at 11:29 AM

this sort of argument, while welcome to an objective observer, is of no use to those that have internalized a narrow reading of the Japanese lost decade. to them, without the massive funneling of resources into the financial sector, we’d be looking at a dow at 5,000 or lower, with no end in sight. and so what they’ve done has already justified itself in their eyes, as they’ve “averted catastrophe”.

it may be that an approach along the lines of the IMF recommendations to east asian NIC’s after their crisis would have been the cheaper, if not better solution. sure it didnt work out well for them, but who knows. when trying to navigate through these sorts of issues, theres never a clear path.

ernesto on May 22, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Obama’s plan IS real stimulus. The only problem is that it stiumlates the growth of government …

PackerBronco on May 22, 2009 at 11:32 AM

We need cheap non-union Indian and Taiwanese teachers here STAT!!! Kill story time and replace it with mental math drills and basic personal accounting lessons, no I’m not Joking. The world to come will be more competitive, unsentimental, and knowledge oriented than even the most conservative futurists of today can imagine.

abobo on May 22, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Raaacist!

Eliminate the Department of Education! A Carter legacy…

daesleeper on May 22, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Very, very good idea that will never, in a bazillion years, happen because the only reason it exists is to provide “… huge funds to a union that uses them to buy vast political power.”

Rod on May 22, 2009 at 11:38 AM

“Have the courage to make a sacrifice for America, Mr. Obama ….”

Are you Smoking CRACK?

How can he do that, when his sole goal; the only goal he was raised with his entire Life, is to actually DESTROY America?

Good luck with that!

But you get an “A” for “Effort”!

Dale in Atlanta on May 22, 2009 at 11:39 AM

When all is said and done and the smoke clears, there will be an honest examination of what happened on September 12, 2008 when 600+ billion was sucked out of American banking institutions overnight. That singular event was like yanking the keystone out of an arch or flicking the bottom row of a house of cards, and everything came tumbling down.

The problem was and is that those who conspired to send the U.S. into a financial crisis on the eve of a federal election had no idea how to put back what they took out, and as the world crashed, they realized that even if they put back 2, 3, or 4 times the amount they took, it wasn’t going to stop the cascade.

Now those who reaped cannot sow no matter how much money they print or how many stimuli they attempt, the damage was done.

A criminal act took place, and unfortunately, no one has the power or desire to actually voice what really happened and name the suspects.

Jason Coleman on May 22, 2009 at 11:41 AM

As someone in college admissions I disagree that parochial schools on average do a better job than public schools.

The best public schools do a MUCH better job than MOST parochial schools. But the problem (and its a very big problem) is bringing all of the public schools up to this standard, especially when wealthy towns always have more money to put into their public schools. I agree that fixing this system is a huge priority, but I think dismantling the public school system is a little unrealistic and doesn’t recognize that in communities with funding public schooling really works.

Greef on May 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM

While you’re at it, remove compulsory education.

Wine_N_Dine on May 22, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Sorry, Doctor Zero, but I think the education establishment is the single biggest Democrat operation there is.

BigD on May 22, 2009 at 11:44 AM

The US Department of education budget is currently $68.6 billion, as near as I can tell. If that was reduced by about a third, for deficit reduction, then paid out entirely in $2,000 vouchers for some 23 million low and middle income Americans to send their children to the school of their choice, then the public schools systems in this country would get the challenge from the private sector they need to improve.

Loxodonta on May 22, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Once the govt seizes control, it never relinquishes it. Ever.

brak on May 22, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Great article. So wishful that it actually made me laugh (after I cried).

watson007 on May 22, 2009 at 11:46 AM

those who conspired to send the U.S. into a financial crisis on the eve of a federal election had no idea how to put back what they took out,

Jason, who do you think did this? I’m not being snarky, I really want to know.

Bugler on May 22, 2009 at 11:46 AM

The Dow dropped another 150 points on Thursday, leaving it at 8292.13. It bounces around a bit, but it seems to be stuck around 600 points below where it was on the day Barack Obama was elected President.

Actually, the stock market is predictive. Though BO is not entirely at fault, It should be noted that on June 3 when he became the presumptive Dem nominee in a year the Dem was assured to win, the Dow was at 12402. So, the Dow dropped over 4,000 points since the street realized he was likely to become POTUS.

tommylotto on May 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Texas succession sounds better everyday….

Don’t give us your hungry, tired, poor souls…..

Let the socialists keep them, after all the socialists are the reason
they are hungry, tired & poor.

izoneguy on May 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM

To be fair, that idiot Carter put his daughter in DC public schools.

bloghooligan on May 22, 2009 at 11:49 AM

The Dow dropped another 150 points on Thursday, leaving it at 8292.13. It bounces around a bit, but it seems to be stuck around 600 points below where it was on the day Barack Obama was elected President.

Actually, the stock market is predictive. Though BO is not entirely at fault, It should be noted that on June 3 when he became the presumptive Dem nominee in a year the Dem was assured to win, the Dow was at 12402. So, the Dow dropped over 4,000 points since the street realized he was likely to become POTUS.

tommylotto on May 22, 2009 at 11:48 A

YEP, that is the reason we had the Sept. meltdown….not because of capitalism or Bush. It was because the investors were hedging there bets that Obama would become president, they were right. I pulled my money out in August.

izoneguy on May 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM

To be fair, that idiot Carter put his daughter in DC public schools.

bloghooligan on May 22, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Yes and look at her activities:

Amy Carter later became known for her political activism, participating in a number of sit-ins and protests during the 1980s and early 1990s, aimed at changing U.S. foreign policy towards South African apartheid and Central America. Along with activist Abbie Hoffman and 13 others, she was arrested during a 1987 demonstration at the University of Massachusetts for protesting CIA recruitment there. She was acquitted of all charges in a well-publicized trial in Northampton, Massachusetts. Attorney Leonard Weinglass, who defended Abbie Hoffman in the Chicago Seven trial in the 1960s, utilized the necessity defense, successfully arguing that CIA involvement in Central America and other hotspots were equivalent to trespassing in a burning building. This occurred during Carter’s sophomore year at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island. She was eventually dismissed from Brown for academic reasons and declined an opportunity to return.

izoneguy on May 22, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Mr. President, it’s time to privatize education.

Dr. Zero

The Dr. is On. I only quoted this because quoting the whole piece would be cumbersome. Great call, Dr. Zero, but Mr. Union Socialist Nitwit Obama is the last person who will follow this revolutionary advice.

I remember reading a few years ago that we spend $10,000 average per pupil on public education in this country if you do not include capital expenditures, which is to say if you give the schools the land, buildings, and equipment “necessary” to run a school, they still find a way to spend $10,000/year/student.

Think about that for a moment. There are 3,000 students in my local high school. Think you could teach them what they are learning now for $30,000,000 a year if someone gave you a school? Think you could do it for $15,000,000 and still spend less than half as much on the building and equipment?

I do.

Jaibones on May 22, 2009 at 11:53 AM

To be fair, that idiot Carter put his daughter in DC public schools.

bloghooligan on May 22, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Aaaand to finish her off, sent her to Brown.

TexasDan on May 22, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Best. Idea. Ever.

Many Americans pay twice for schools as it is, taxes for public schools and then fees for private schools that don’t suck.

Privatizing schools would give millions of Americans more money to spend.

Oh yeah, and kids would be smarter, more productive, and have better self esteem. That’s why he’d never go for it- where would he find Dem voters if they really taught history in schools?

hawksruleva on May 22, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Never happen. Makes too much sense and it would take money from too many blood suckers.

Star20 on May 22, 2009 at 11:55 AM

I never waste my time dreaming/thinking about things that cannot happen.

patrick neid on May 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM

American students get compared to the best of the best in other countries, so I think largely this comparison is pretty worthless bcs we have to remember that only the brightest in many countries are the only ones who get educated at the HS & college levels.
But is education were privatized, then I wouldn’t need to be a union member bcs I would have the protection of the free market place: my degree would be worth something in education comparable to the free market now & my personal teaching contributions would also be held in proper regard.
Right now, I can be the lowest achiever ever (like my principal) & still have a job & get paid the same as a high achiever.
I have absolutely no reason to outperform anyone at my school bcs it is never rewarded with anything.
In fact, bcs I demand excellence from my students, I am creatively chastised by my principal for not basically making things easy enough for students.
I live in a small community where most of the parents demand their students get A’s-but the problem with that is they don’t want the kid to get a REAL A:something hard work & true understanding of the principles taught would earn.
Many of these parents whose kids have always gotten As get pretty mad when they’re only getting Bs in my class.
The kid has quite simply never been challenged: the grades were inflated for them.
I do not inflate, therefore I am vilified.
So if they privatize ed, it would have to be regulated in some way of course to assure some kind of standards, but it would be a hell of a lot better than we have now.
And I wouldn’t have to be a union member bcs I am afraid of predatory administrators who have no accountability.

Badger40 on May 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Bugler,

I won’t pretend to know who, but it’s been admitted that it did happen by a number of financial institutions and confirmed by Senators and regulators.

As to who might have had the ability to do it, we’d have to look first at those who had done it before. Look to Soros and his actions in Great Britain and Poland which were similar in scope and action.

Also look to the oil states who had the investment and ability to do such a thing and who stood to benefit greatly from it.

Someone, some group did it, but we certainly won’t know who until someone with the authority and immunity to undertake such an investigation is willing to go on the record and risk the wrath of the administration who benefited from this “crisis”.

History will tell however, but of course by then we’ll have already lived through this economic terrorism.

Jason Coleman on May 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM

where would he find Dem voters if they really taught history in schools?

hawksruleva on May 22, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Ha ha ha! You are so right!

Badger40 on May 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM

The whole point of government is to reduce everything to the lowest common denominator (not that half of our politicians would know what that means, let alone the students) – not set standards of excellence.

I regard No Child Left Behind as perhaps the worst part of W’s legacy. When government arbitrarily sets a national target of X, and creates a punitive structure for failing to meet that standard, you will see an increase in institutional “gaming” such as teaching to the tests (rather than inculcating a love for learning) or administrators adjusting grades to comply.

That is why Doctor Zero’s proposal, while akin to shooting at the moon with a .22, is rooted in sound economic theory and practice. Competitive schooling will focus on critical areas, and allow administrators to more appropriately respond to challenges. Finally, it will protect students from lazy, protected, agenda-driven educators, and promote the teachers who strive to build a love for knowledge and rational behavior in their student bodies.

Oh, and that culture of rational discourse and learning will spill over into homes and other social/cultural institutions, thus dragging social and cultural views back to the right.

Flyover Country on May 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM

There are ways to reform public education: merit pay based on improvement scores and parental recommendations, establish one national standard and publish the results, disperse federal funds only to the proportion of student population per state, remove teachers that are known for bad results even if tenured, reduce school districts to the twenty highest populated cities and one per state, eliminate federal requirements on how money is spent, require grades to be posted in class next to each student’s name, require student uniforms, and if students don’t pass a grade they should not move on. Implementation of any new method will take time, but there are programs that can save current students from suffering through the transition: school vouchers (for more than “lower-income” families).

After the “per child per year” cost of education in each state is determined, a voucher should be offered for a small portion of the cost, and exclude households that make more than 14x the average cost of public schooling per child per year, since they would already have the ability to enroll in private education. Take the example from the recently eliminated voucher program in Washington D.C.

Washington D.C. spends an average of $25,000 per child per year in public schools. Each household is offered a voucher for $7,500 to spend on any non-public school. Any household with one child making over $196,000 a year should be exempt, households with two kids making over $392,000 a year should be exempt, and so on. This reduces the burden on class sizes, helps funding requests within the Department of Education, and provides parental choice.

Win-win all around.

Ejasz on May 22, 2009 at 12:10 PM

UNIONS? UNIONS???

Bueller?? Bueller????

SDarchitect on May 22, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Parochial schools already offer superior education at less than half the average cost of government schools.

The best line I read in the article….

Red State State of Mind on May 22, 2009 at 12:13 PM

I do.

Jaibones on May 22, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Me too.
Like for instance, my room is the coolest in the summer & warmest in the winter.
I only have 2 windows for ventilation. During cat dissection it can get pretty stinky in here.
So when they were handing out air conditioners (our
beleaguered school’s electrical system is not capable of handling all this stuff anyway), I specifically said why I didn’t need or want one.
They put it in anyway. Now I have to use it just for ventilation purposes.
Another purchase I didn’t need was a smart board. I admit, they are cool. But I don’t NEED one to teach science.
What I NEED is new lab equipment, tables, etc.
They waste so much $$ on testing, also.
NWEA testing-pretty cool, but for a small school like ours (~210 K-12) it is completely unnecessary at 2000+$/yr!
But Fed regs require some stuff like this, testing crap, so we pay for something we can do on our own by talking to other teachers about a student’s abilities. I can see this kind of stuff being useful even necessary in a big school, but not here.
And to top it off, administrators really get paid quite a lot. Some are hard workers, many are not.
Over all, the $$ wasted on complying with stupid fed Title rules is stupid & crazy.

Badger40 on May 22, 2009 at 12:14 PM

I believe a majority of the poor could lift themselves out of poverty with a solid education. Are there any studies anyone knows of that track a poor child’s results after school when he or she is educated privately instead of in the public system?

Red State State of Mind on May 22, 2009 at 12:15 PM

It will never happen…unless there is a civil war…a more tempting thought by the second…

CCRWM on May 22, 2009 at 12:16 PM

Parochial schools already offer superior education at less than half the average cost of government schools.

You know I really think that one of the main reasons these schools are a little more successful is bcs of parental involvement, not bcs the teachers are any better.
I cooperate with several science teachers from a private religious school & they are no better than I am in ability or education. And they get paid a LOT less. The one I am familiar with has a base salary of ~$18,500 for an incoming teacher-whatever their degree (no experience). That is crazy.
But privatization would really cut down on the waste & get education back to the basics where it needs to be.

Badger40 on May 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM

M

r. President, it’s time to privatize education the government.

FIFY

NoFanofLibs on May 22, 2009 at 12:18 PM

My grandfather came up with a pretty good stimulus plan:

Give 50 million people a million dollars each, with the following stipulations:

-Recipients must be 50 or older.
-Recipients must retire within three months of receiving stimulus funds, and voluntarily relinquish the right to draw any money from Social Security.
-Recipients must buy an American-made automobile within six months of receiving stimulus funds.

You get 50 million new job openings, 50 million less people draining money from SS, and 50 million auto purchases for the ailing auto industry. All for way less money.

Dark-Star on May 22, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Just another point of fact that liberalism IS a mental disease.

jukin on May 22, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Ejasz on May 22, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Merit pay is good. But how do you assess a teacher’s ability?
Parents cannot do it. Students cannot do it.
Administrators don’t even do it.
So how does a teacher get a fair shake when it comes to teaching their subject matter?
Obviously the hiring of a teacher is a community decision already-the school board.
But we also need input from competent teachers in the same field. Peer review.
Parents are notorious for non-involvement. There is no way in hell taking in parents’ opinions on a teacher’s ability would ever be appropriate by itself.
Parents already have a say in who gets to teach their schools: they elect the local school board.
Students are a bad source of information on a teacher’s ability: kids lie all the time. Event the ‘good’ kids.
Privatizing education needs to be done, but we better be careful how we do it or what’s going to happen is we will popularize education: make it flashy & fun without substance.
So we still need strict academic standards.
Really all I’d like is to be reviewed by my peers.
Test scores are OK to consider, but kids fail tests for a variety of reasons.
There are just way too many variables to consider when you look at a kid’s test scores.
Parental involvement, peer relationships, neglect, abuse, etc are just a few things. Personal motivation & work ethic are others.
These are things a teacher cannot ever expect to be able to control.
So looking at test scores is a load of crap bcs of this, IMHO.

Badger40 on May 22, 2009 at 12:24 PM

As the unions own Obama no education reform that does not involve feeding the unions more money will be discussed much less passed.

JIMV on May 22, 2009 at 12:25 PM

So looking at test scores ONLY is a load of crap bcs of this, IMHO.

Had to fix it.

Badger40 on May 22, 2009 at 12:26 PM

I liked the points in this article. “If i were in charge”, I’d make a few overall changes in our educational system:

Minimal Federal taxes that would be distributed DIRECTLY to poorer families in the form of vouchers for their kids.

Insistence that anyone receiving Federal aid/vouchers prove citizenship.

The Dept of Education would be scaled back to basically a think tank and organization that helped highlight what was working and not working in all the local school districts. An individual school district would be able to contact the DOE and ask for information, training materials, course syllabi (sp?) et cetera.

Each State Board of Education would set the standards for a dilpoma, realizing the need to be close to what Universities would need/want to admit a student.

Red State State of Mind on May 22, 2009 at 12:26 PM

When government arbitrarily sets a national target of X, and creates a punitive structure for failing to meet that standard, you will see an increase in institutional “gaming” such as teaching to the tests

Flyover Country on May 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM

I agree with all that, except this small snippet. The Feds didn’t create “one national standard,” every state has their own standard and are penalized if they don’t meet that standard. So of course…they lower it.

There should be a national standard (as a general goal), but it should not effect money, tests, or influence. It should just be a guideline for where the states should be aiming for.

Ejasz on May 22, 2009 at 12:27 PM

The best answer imho is a flat out 100% voucher system where every American school child is provided with a voucher for their education which they can use to attend any school, public or private, that they desire. You could probably get the libs to go along with such a plan if you made all vouchers worth the same amount of money and prohibited any system which would allow schools to charge any money beyond that provided by the voucher, (thus, avoiding any inequities that might result from the wealthy being able to “buy” a superior education for their progeny).

This would reduce the overall tax burden, encourage high-level education, discourage unionization, encourage efficiency, discourage top-heavy administrative bureaucracy, etc.

Undoubtedly schools would compete for students. Some offering environmental-based curriculums for those who wanted that, while others focused on the basics, or others provided really nice facilities vice hard-core academic excellence, or others focused on vocational education, or art-based curriculums, or even (God forbid!) religious-based curriculums, etc.

The advantages to the American people would be incredible, not to mention the significant side-effect, that it would actually be a move towards restoring freedom to America instead of government indoctrination.

Fatal on May 22, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Amy Carter later became known for her political activism, participating in a number of sit-ins and protests during the 1980s and early 1990s….

izoneguy on May 22, 2009 at 11:52 AM

The leftist nutjob fruit doesn’t fall far from the leftist nutjob tree.

UltimateBob on May 22, 2009 at 12:37 PM

I’m quite confident that Obama’s views on education differ little than those of the late Joseph Djugashvilli:

“Education is a weapon, whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.”

As such, and considering how splendidly its aggressive indoctrination function has served the cause of socialism in America over the past 20-odd years, it is inconceivable that he would ever consider surrendering “education” from control of The State. He’d sooner issue us state-supplied assault rifles.

Blacklake on May 22, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Merit pay is good. But how do you assess a teacher’s ability?
Parents cannot do it. Students cannot do it.
Administrators don’t even do it.
So how does a teacher get a fair shake when it comes to teaching their subject matter?

Improvement scores: incoming 7th graders are tested based on that grade level, next year same thing…you see a positive trend with some teachers and a negative trend with others.
Parental recommendations: some teachers are “requested” to teach their kids because they have such a good reputation.
Teacher surveys: there is always two or three known “has beens” that are well beyond their teaching career capabilities. Every teacher I’ve talked to can immediately think of the bad apples that the majority of teachers believe are doing a poor job

The combination of those three things over time will highlight which teachers are bad, mediocre, and good. Mediocre and good should stay, the bad should get the boot.

Parents are notorious for non-involvement. There is no way in hell taking in parents’ opinions on a teacher’s ability would ever be appropriate by itself.

Right…I don’t think a required survey for parents is a good idea. But if parents go out of their way to request that their child get taught by a certain teacher…that says something about that teacher.

Parents already have a say in who gets to teach their schools: they elect the local school board.

Badger40 on May 22, 2009 at 12:24 PM

We obviously have little problem getting teachers to fill positions, we have a problem with getting bad teachers out of those positions. School boards are limited in that respect.

Ejasz on May 22, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Ejasz on May 22, 2009 at 12:27 PM

FIFM. You are absolutely correct. Thanks for the heads-up.

A second point I failed to make: just as primary/high schools have been lowering their standards, so too have colleges. Thus, what once was an incredible tool for personal advancement in a market economy (advanced educational degree) is now wholly commoditized. It’s not enough to get that BS or BA, so what do students do? Stay in school another two years and get that Master’s degree, thus indebting themselves further to an educational meat-grinder.

Flyover Country on May 22, 2009 at 12:48 PM

We obviously have little problem getting teachers to fill positions, we have a problem with getting bad teachers out of those positions. School boards are limited in that respect.

Ejasz on May 22, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Where I live, & everywhere I’ve ever lived I have noticed the big problem in why some school boards are ineffective:
No body wants to step forward & take the leadership position.
It is no different than when you vote for politicians.
If nothing but bad apples want to run for any office, that is what you get in office.
People need to wake up to public service as a duty (but not your career!).
Bad teachers remain in place/the profession bcs often times the union itself, but also bcs in some states laws are not in place to protect against bad teachers.
Parents go out of their way to request some teachers bcs they are easy & ‘fun’. So that alone will not work.
I agree it’ll take a combination of a lot of these things in moderation.
But basically the main thing is you get what you pay for.
In some states, school teachers do make a decent amount, but have to supplement their income in the summer. Bcs we are govt employees, we can get hammered by the Windfall Elimination Provision-have a career for like 10 yrs before you become a teacher, then teach for like 30 yrs & get screwed on your retirement. Not cool.
I welcome fair evaluation & if they paid what some of us are worth, then you’d see a lot better quality of teachers.
The only reason I teach instead of working in the oil & gas industry as a geologist is bcs my husband is a rancher & I am the other employee. It’s a way of life I choose over making more $$ bcs to do so I’d have to be gone from home a lot & I like my quality of life the way it is now.
But for many in teaching, they leave bcs of the $$ & the CRAP we have to put up with i.e. unreasonable parents, no control of the student, predatory administrators & no merit pay whatsoever.

Badger40 on May 22, 2009 at 12:52 PM

There it is. Good piece.
Anything more would be redundant.

Count to 10 on May 22, 2009 at 12:53 PM

It’s not enough to get that BS or BA, so what do students do? Stay in school another two years and get that Master’s degree, thus indebting themselves further to an educational meat-grinder.

Flyover Country on May 22, 2009 at 12:48 PM

I agree. Higher ed has been compromised badly.
But from what I’ve experienced, the scientific academics have not seem to have been compromised very much.
I tell all my students do not waste your time getting a BA or a BS in social ’science’.
These degrees are worthless IMHO bcs they do not learn necessary critical thinking skills.
If I were to get my Masters, it would NOT be in Education (which would be extremely easy & earn me a few more $$). I would get it in a hard science.
‘Education’ degrees are such mamby pamby crappy things I can hardly believe they are worth a damn.

Badger40 on May 22, 2009 at 12:56 PM

We obviously have little problem getting teachers to fill positions, we have a problem with getting bad teachers out of those positions.
Ejasz on May 22, 2009 at 12:40 PM

BTW- are you saying you have no problems in filling teaching positions where you’re at?
That is news to me.
I suppose it is easy to fill coaching positions, PE, English, History, etc positions.
What about Math & Science?
There is a critical shortage in these two & it’s not about to change anytime soon with what they pay us.
I am sorry, but I am worth more $$ than your average PE teacher.

Badger40 on May 22, 2009 at 12:59 PM

I believe a majority of the poor could lift themselves out of poverty with a solid education. Are there any studies anyone knows of that track a poor child’s results after school when he or she is educated privately instead of in the public system?

Red State State of Mind on May 22, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Democrats like to tell people that the surest predictor of educational outcome is a child’s socio-economic status (SES) low ses= low outcome. This is a fallacy. Poor does not mean stupid. Poor does not mean anything other than poor. Voucher programs and public school programs that involve the parents in the educational process show great success and immediately disprove the fallacy of poor=stupid. These schools strip the democrats of their power over the poor.

There are public schools that work – they require the parent to be involved. Fundamental Schools in Pinellas County Florida. Are public “back to basics” schools. Please read a little about each of the schools. The applications are 12 or more for every 1 opening.

The last elementary school to open was a conversion done in cooperation with the community, the NAACP and many other coordinated school groups and opposed by the editorial board of the St. Pete Times, the union and the then sitting superintendent.

The students of all economic levels flourish. Public schools can work if the parents are involved instead of excluded.

batterup on May 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM

BTW- are you saying you have no problems in filling teaching positions where you’re at?
That is news to me.
I suppose it is easy to fill coaching positions, PE, English, History, etc positions.
What about Math & Science?
Badger40 on May 22, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Sure they are harder to fill, but the problems with public education are not that we don’t have enough Math and Science teachers.

Regardless…you want more Math, Science, and teacher competition in general? Implement the common sense suggestions that I, and many others, are suggesting.

Ejasz on May 22, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Just got back from my Son’s High School Graduation… there were more Staff and Board members there, than Teachers…

and one announcement they made was that the Secretary of Activitys was retiring… Secretary of ACTIVITYS??? HUH???

Romeo13 on May 22, 2009 at 1:08 PM

We need cheap non-union Indian and Taiwanese teachers here STAT!!! Kill story time and replace it with mental math drills and basic personal accounting lessons, no I’m not Joking.

Liberals seem to always reach for the racial Conservative bogyman. Yet it is the Liberals who push for open borders and amnesty for illegals so they don’t have to cut their own grass.

GunRunner on May 22, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Are there any studies anyone knows of that track a poor child’s results after school when he or she is educated privately instead of in the public system?

Red State State of Mind on May 22, 2009 at 12:15 PM

In Washington D.C., students who used vouchers from the program’s inception were estimated to be 19 months ahead of their peers with parental satisfaction exceeding normal levels.

From the Institute of Education, Evaluation of the DC Opportunity Scholarship

Ejasz on May 22, 2009 at 1:12 PM

My grandfather came up with a pretty good stimulus plan:

Give 50 million people a million dollars each, with the following stipulations:

-Recipients must be 50 or older.
-Recipients must retire within three months of receiving stimulus funds, and voluntarily relinquish the right to draw any money from Social Security.
-Recipients must buy an American-made automobile within six months of receiving stimulus funds.

You get 50 million new job openings, 50 million less people draining money from SS, and 50 million auto purchases for the ailing auto industry. All for way less money.

Dark-Star on May 22, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Did grandpa go to public schools? That’s $50 Trillion!

50,000,000 X 1,000,000 = 50,000,000,000,000

PatMac on May 22, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Truth to power.

If Obama really wants hope and change, he would do the right thing and get the government out of the school business and let the horses out of the barn.

The wild card is black and brown minority students that consistantly do poorly. They are the ones that need excellent schools the most in order to break the cycle of poverty and government dependence.

Vouchers have been very successful with minorities when available. Bussing simply lowered the common denominator for all the students. Better schools in the inner city will no doubt be difficult to achieve because those areas are so far behind to start with. Hope and change.

saiga on May 22, 2009 at 1:28 PM

50,000,000 X 1,000,000 = 50,000,000,000,000

PatMac on May 22, 2009 at 1:22 PM

I’ve heard that plan from a bunch of people that can’t do the math. Also, it doesn’t take into account the dumb $hits over 50 that have NFL player brains that would pi$$ it away on jewely and drugs within a week. Then we would still have to pay more for their worthless asses.

saiga on May 22, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Brilliant as always, Doc. I’d be curious to know your thoughts on homeschooling? I was homeschooled myself, so naturally I’m a fan, but it’d be interesting to get your take on it, since you’ve mentioned private schools and all.

TheQuestion on May 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM

PatMac on May 22, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Thanks for slamming my grandpa, douchenozzle.

Actually, it was me who got the numbers wrong – added too many zeros to the ‘people’ number. Xp

Dark-Star on May 22, 2009 at 1:39 PM

. Also, it doesn’t take into account the dumb $hits over 50 that have NFL player brains that would pi$$ it away on jewely and drugs within a week. Then we would still have to pay more for their worthless asses.

saiga on May 22, 2009 at 1:33 PM

I see it’s not only elitist snobs in the government who have the “beer and pretzels” mentality.

Dark-Star on May 22, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Oh but if we privatize schools, they can’t be forced to teach propoganda, that is partisan. No more warping the minds of the young, into wanting to adopt slavery as their future profession.

I agree with your commentary, but what you propose, takes power, and control away from Obama, and that’s the exact opposite, of what he wants.

capejasmine on May 22, 2009 at 1:42 PM

I read an interesting book (available to read online) written by John Taylor Gatto, who taught in the NY public schools. He was named New York City Teacher of the year in 1989, 1990, and 1991, and New York State Teacher of the Year in 1991. He retired in 1991 because he said he no longer wanted to ‘hurt children to make a living’.

He makes a decent argument that the entire educational system is formed to create people smart enough to work in a factory but not so smart that they are going to cause problems for business and political leaders. This is built into the basic structure of education in America (and most countries) so that, even if a teacher is well-meaning and isn’t trying to make the kids dumb (and, I believe, most are well meaning) the system itself has the effect of dumbing people down. While private schools may do a better job, for the most part, they emulate the same structure as public schools and therefore create ‘dumb people’ that know more facts and still aren’t teaching people to think on their own and actually learn.

Here’s a link to the book (Underground History of Education), if anyone is interested in reading it:

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm

JadeNYU on May 22, 2009 at 1:45 PM

I don’t mean to offend anyone, but the more and more I listen to Obama, I joke to my friends that we will soon be able to eliminate the Indian Reservations because we will all be on one big reservation called the U.S. where the government will supply your housing, education, and even a paycheck.

The issue of education really hits home in this area because I grew up on a reservation. I recently toured the school I attended K-12 and was in awe of their state-of-the-art physics and chemistry facilities they had on the rez.

Unfortunately Physics and Chemistry are not required classes, so these magnificent rooms have remained unused for several years.

10 miles away, off the rez, my children attend a public school where they aren’t necessarily hurting for money, but do not have anything near the facilities that go unused at my alma-mater.

Beyond the obvious, the difference in the schools is astounding. The school my children attend is one of the best in the area, and people pull their students from the rez and bring them here for a better education.

Parents here are heavily involved with the school and their children’s education not only because their tax dollars go directly to the schools coffers, but because the childs future is at stake.

I think liberals want to sell Americans on the wonderful temptations of having everything provided for you, without any of the downside.

Reservation, here we come!

cntrlfrk on May 22, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Mr. President, it’s time to privatize education.

Looking to the government for our solutions? Homeschool your kids now and protect them from leftist indoctrination today. Train critical thinkers on your own.

Of course, we would need to provide educational vouchers for lower-income citizens, so some educational taxes would still need to be collected… but the federal government current spends over $9000 per year, on average, to educate each student.

First, the US Constitution is not a welfare pact. Abolish the Department of Education today. Also, we don’t need to provide vouchers, let the parents pool together and educate their own. Second, we home school our kids and can do it for around $300 a head … easy. I know parents that do it for less. Just takes a parent unselfish enough to give up some of their “personal time”.

what are the results at my house? I have a 12 year old doing high school algebra and economics. I have a 10 year old that can play a piano like no one’s business and I have to take her books away to get her to clean her room. I have a 7 year old doing 4th grade work. I am not trying to raise Princeton ready kids by any measure, they just absorb this stuff like little sponges.

Once the govt seizes control, it never relinquishes it. Ever
brak on May 22, 2009 at 11:46 AM.

Disagree. My kids love history. They were telling me a story about a group of rebels that told a king they could govern themselves. Worked out well for about 250 years … until the children of the rebels started letting the aristocrats run the place for them and passed their kids to strangers under the guise of receiving “education”.

AZ_Redneck on May 22, 2009 at 1:57 PM

I read an interesting book (available to read online) written by John Taylor Gatto

I just started reading his new “Weapons of Mass Instruction”. Could have done without some liberal ranting in the beginning of it, but I’d definitely recommend his works if you want to start questioning the whole system, not just how well the system is working.

MamaAJ on May 22, 2009 at 2:12 PM

It’s much higher than that in some areas, most notably Washington, D.C., which spends a whopping $25,000.00 per student.

But vouchers are too expensive? I’d like to see a post with links to the amount of money the federal gov’t pays to DC schools vs. how much the voucher program cost.

MamaAJ on May 22, 2009 at 2:15 PM

So the party platform for 2012 is no healthcare, no education? Why don’t we privatize defense while we’re at it? I’m sure Blackwater / Xe would love to step up.

jonknee on May 22, 2009 at 2:18 PM

jonknee on May 22, 2009 at 2:18 PM

You know, I think the wizard might still have some brains left over from when he helped the scarecrow. He might let you have them if you ask nicely.

Dark-Star on May 22, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Looking to the government for our solutions?

Privatizing education is not looking to the government…the very definition is getting government out of the equation. Vouchers is also not looking to the government for solutions, it’s simply saying “give me back a small portion of taxes I pay for public education and let me be on my way.”

Also, we don’t need to provide vouchers, let the parents pool together and educate their own.

AZ_Redneck on May 22, 2009 at 1:57 PM

Vouchers give the means for parents to educate their children in the home and/or private school. “Let the parents pool together”? They can do that now and a very small percentage do it. Sometimes it’s money and sometimes the parents know they aren’t good educators.

Giving them a small portion of what it costs to educate their child in public education will present opportunities for all non-public education methods.

I’d like to see a post with links to the amount of money the federal gov’t pays to DC schools vs. how much the voucher program cost.

MamaAJ on May 22, 2009 at 2:15 PM

From Andrew Coulson at Cato:

“This week, education secretary Arne Duncan referred to DC public schools as a district with “more money than God.” Perhaps he was thinking of the $24,600 total per-pupil spending figure I reported last year in the Washington Post and on this blog. If so, he’s low-balling the number. With the invaluable help of my research assistant Elizabeth Li, I’ve just calculated the figure for the current school year. It is $26,555 per pupil.

According to the official study of the DC voucher program, the average voucher amount is less than $6,000.”

Ejasz on May 22, 2009 at 2:26 PM

I do agree with Ejasz’s idea as I had a similar thought some years ago.

The testing mechanism is the set of international standardized tests that everyone pointing at education loves to bemoan: you want those standards higher, then we use those as the calibration system.

The goal is not State to State competition, but against the #1 slot globally, whichever country that is. Any student that meets that standard gets a full payout to those providing their education. Only when the US goes to the #1 slot does it turn into an intra-State competition.

The concept is ‘pay for performance’: if you want better performance then pay for those that achieve it and that will stimulate those doing education to look at HOW that is achieved, be it school districts, parochial schools or home schoolers.

Another rate to use is the one that really shocked the US on poor Johnny not being able to read. That has been rock steady since the publication of that work in 1958 (if memory serves) and has been an independent result that has not been influenced by spending. It is, in fact, constant. Nothing done has changed it Nationally. If you want 100% literacy in the schools, pay for those students who are literate and can demonstrate it on any form of reading and writing exam that requires long hand written responses.

The concept is simple: set the metric (which can vary but is not of necessity set by the US or is 100% of something, say literacy or knowledge of three basic sciences at a passing grade out of a suite of four or five). No performance? No payout. Not up to snuff? Proportional payout to what is achieved per student. That shifts the emphasis from teaching to the test to teaching the students, not just warehousing them in schools for a number of years. Easily done by removing the Dept. of Education, which has failed, and cutting block grants.

Oh, and students who EXCEED 100% or the goal, get a higher recompense to those who taught them: we pay for excellence proportionately.

I’m all for it and getting government and bureaucrats who waste money on useless programs out of the system. If you complain about lack of achievement you cite the standard and agree that this is what our children and our Nation need to be held up to on the education front. Complainers who do not offer ways forward are purely negative critics. Those who offer better ways forward enrich our public life, give us different viewpoints and allow us to try other ways of doing things that are not hidebound to any ideology. Doesn’t mean they are good ideas, or workable, but trying to offer better is what the Republic is about.

ajacksonian on May 22, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Privatizing education is not looking to the government…

While everyone sits around awaiting for their voucher check to take action? That is looking to the government in my eye.

Vouchers give the means for parents to educate their children in the home and/or private school.

I and many, many others didn’t wait for the crumbs, in the form of a voucher, to fall from the table. My personal beliefs prevail and I act. I believe the situation to be that dire.

“Let the parents pool together”? They can do that now and a very small percentage do it.

Like to know where you drew that conclusion. My information comes from participation and experience in the home school community. More than you know pool together. We swap books, material and time “for the children”.

Sometimes it’s money and sometimes the parents know they aren’t good educators.

Regarding money; check the priorities. Have a cell phone? Have cable? Get the new boat? New car? Going to Disneyland, again? Eating out lately?

Regarding parents as educators; anyone can do it and do a better job. Take a look what the “professionals” have wrought. The “professionals” at private schools don’t fare much better. Parents that believe they aren’t good educators … examine it closely … you will find it is an excuse because the choice will effect their lifestyle and they don’t really want to be inconvenienced. Why can I say that? Because at one time, I used to think I might not be a good educator.

AZ_Redneck on May 22, 2009 at 2:59 PM

http://www.youcanhomeschool.org/

http://www.hslda.org/

Get you kids out of the leftist indoctrination camps.
Teach them critical thinking.
Find it interesting how they love their teachers.

AZ_Redneck on May 22, 2009 at 3:09 PM

I do agree with Ejasz’s idea as I had a similar thought some years ago.

None of your seven proposals are even close to what I suggested here (some of my numbers were off from changing from another city to Wash. DC, but the concept is clear).

The testing mechanism is the set of international standardized tests that everyone pointing at education loves to bemoan: you want those standards higher, then we use those as the calibration system.

The goal is not State to State competition, but against the #1 slot globally, whichever country that is. Any student that meets that standard gets a full payout to those providing their education.

Whether it’s an international standard or state-to-state, if you tie money or favoritism to a test score, the schools will always teach to test. Which is not good.

There should be a national standard (as a general goal), but it should not effect money, tests, or influence. It should just be a guideline for where the states should be aiming for. Federal funds should be dispersed only to the proportion of student population per state

The concept is ‘pay for performance’: if you want better performance then pay for those that achieve it and that will stimulate those doing education to look at HOW that is achieved, be it school districts, parochial schools or home schoolers.

No performance? No payout. Not up to snuff? Proportional payout to what is achieved per student.

ajacksonian on May 22, 2009 at 2:43 PM

So…school that are on the very bottom will get almost no money…I agree that increasing federal funds doesn’t help educate children…but how is a school that’s utterly failing going to do better with a dramatically slashed source of revenue?

The phrase “Eliminate the Department of Education” should never be used as a starting point for education reform. Layout new methods that are effective for public education, give parents the choice to opt-out with vouchers, and if the methods are successful…continue to reduce federal influence until you can completely eliminate the department.

Like to know where you drew that conclusion. My information comes from participation and experience in the home school community. More than you know pool together. We swap books, material and time “for the children”.

From every single study that has evaluated home schooling. It exists, but is a very small percentage of the total population.

Regarding money; check the priorities. Have a cell phone? Have cable? Get the new boat? New car? Going to Disneyland, again? Eating out lately?

Priorities checked…many still can’t do it financially.

Regarding parents as educators; anyone can do it and do a better job.

AZ_Redneck on May 22, 2009 at 2:59 PM

I’ll agree to disagree. There are a lot of parents out there who don’t see themselves as good teachers, but yes, would be an excellent teacher. I don’t think anyone can do it and do a better job though.

Ejasz on May 22, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Well reasoned and well written. Bravo. Of course, we both know that Obama would never come near a proposal like this, but that’s not important. It’s out there and someone might pick up on it in 10 years.

Well done.

JDPerren on May 22, 2009 at 4:11 PM

A criminal act took place, and unfortunately, no one has the power or desire to actually voice what really happened and name the suspects.

Mr. Soros, how do you plead?

College Prof on May 22, 2009 at 4:22 PM

My kids both attended public schools and they are both die hard conservatives. Their education began at home, and we talked about politics and political identity at length. We exposed them to all sides of an issue, but taught them to use logic to resolve problems, not emotion. We let them make their own choices, and they chose “right.” It is possible to raise conservative children while sending them to public schools.

College Prof on May 22, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Red state of mind May 22. (sorry my right click isn’t working)

My folks live near Gaston, NC where there is a KIPP school. I believe this is a federal grant program. I have not done all of my research, but they have 100% of their graduates be accepted to college.

This is a dirt poor area. Mostly black children.

100%

They do throw a few out every year for breaking too many rules but this is a very low percentage, I think.

The gist I get is that they have very dedicated teaching professionals.

As I said, I need to do more research but I think this shows what can be done and illustrates that the govrnment doesn’t really want to educate our children. It takes dedicated individuals.

riverrat10k on May 22, 2009 at 4:54 PM

If O-man did that, he’d get my VOTE, seriously.

He’d get 70% of the vote in 2012 and the GOP wouldn’t even bother to field a candidate.

But, he’s a moron, so we are stuck with $25,000 to make our kids dumb.

Anyone for homeschooling?

Sapwolf on May 22, 2009 at 5:06 PM

I was homeschooled myself, so naturally I’m a fan, but it’d be interesting to get your take on it, since you’ve mentioned private schools and all.

TheQuestion on May 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM

I’m tremendously impressed by the dedication of homeschoolers and the academic achievements of homeschooled children. They’re one of the reasons I’m so strongly opposed to pouring billions into the failed public education system, and the massive union political apparatus that feeds off it. Homeschoolers have invested tremendous amounts of their own time and money to escape from the poor performance and cultural indoctrination of government schools. Forcing them to continue to pay taxes to fund those schools is tyrannical.

If choice was introduced into education, and the government was kept out of dictating curricula to captive student bodies, perhaps some homeschoolers would find schools that share their values and academic standards appearing in their area. Others might choose to continue home schooling, and would now have additional resources because they would no longer be forced to subsidize the government schools they pulled their children out of.

Looking to the government for our solutions? Homeschool your kids now and protect them from leftist indoctrination today. Train critical thinkers on your own.

AZ_Redneck on May 22, 2009 at 1:57 PM

I’d like to stop paying confiscatory tax rates to fund the government solutions, so that we can devote our resources to finding our own. Homeschooling takes great effort and sacrifice on the part of the parents who do it. Our government should not be in the business of bleeding people dry to indoctrinate their kids in shoddy public schools, then treating them like suckers if they decide to give up huge portions of their own time to give their kids a decent education on their own. We shouldn’t expect them to tan their own shoe leather or churn their own butter, either. I thought this was supposed to be an advanced economy. It should have an advanced educational system.

I was educated in public schools myself, and I had some teachers that were so good I still honor their names every time I write something. I had some teachers that were bored, mediocre time-servers. I had some that aggressively worked to indoctrinate the children into political agendas. All of them were given roughly the same rewards and incentives by the government school system. A privatized educational system will create an environment where teachers can flourish, and good teachers receive the rewards they deserve.

Oh but if we privatize schools, they can’t be forced to teach propoganda, that is partisan. No more warping the minds of the young, into wanting to adopt slavery as their future profession.

I agree with your commentary, but what you propose, takes power, and control away from Obama, and that’s the exact opposite, of what he wants.

capejasmine on May 22, 2009 at 1:42 PM

I know it’s something the Democrats would fight tooth and nail. I say make them fight. Make them explain exactly why we can’t do this. Make them explain it over, and over, and over again, until voters get tired of hearing them and give them a lesson in privatization, by sending them back into the private sector.

Doctor Zero on May 22, 2009 at 5:39 PM

I have been teaching for almost two decades and can honestly say that I have never belonged to a teachers union. I also teach at a school with a very liberal principal (he has a huge picture of Obama behind his desk). I am known as a very hard teacher who is not very nice. As I tell my students at the beginning of the year I am here to be your teacher not your friend. I also teach by the “old school” method. Lots of work and taking notes from an overhear projector. However, I do not receive much criticism despite my non-liberal attitudes and not trying make the students feel ‘good’ about themselves due to the fact that my students consistently have the highest scores in the school on Georgia’s End-Of-Course-Tests.

dawgyear on May 22, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Great article!! I homeschool and would love a voucher for 1/2 of what is spent on public school students. I could provide a first class education for my dtr to include art, music and dance lessons, a complete library of great books, field trips everywhere and I could save up for her college education at any college she wanted to attend and to pay for a down payment on a home or to start a business after she was finished with school. The amout of corruption and waste in the public schools is idiotic. It does not take money to provide a good education. It takes patience, committment and a library card. Taught my dtr. to read for about $35.00 (not including library fines) and will use a grammer book that costs $22.00 and will be her “text” for about 3 years. IMO a well educated person can read well, write well and speak well with that foundation one can learn just about anything. Rather than teach a whole bunch of useless facts, I want to teach my dtr. how to teach herself, how to think logically and to embrace lifetime learning. The schools certainly are not doing this at all. They were never intended to. The public school system was created to indoctrinate the student to depend on the state. So far I would say it’s been a raging success.

As for testing. When my son took the tests, he scored very high in math the first year, not so great the next year. His scores were all over the place. Turns out that he wasn’t really answering the test questions, but he was trying to make a cool pattern on his answer sheet. So much for nationally weighted test scores.

kringeesmom on May 22, 2009 at 6:14 PM

I don’t believe Obama is familiar with the term privatize.

angryed on May 22, 2009 at 7:48 PM

Greef on May 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM

I totally disagree with you on a number of points, the first and most important being results.If you think that money is the only thing keeping schools from succeeding, you are only kidding yourself. Chicago spends more per student than alot of places, and they have a 50% dropout rate. This is due to parenting , not education. Even when Bill Ayers and Obama spent millions and millions of dollars on a small number of public screwls in Chicago, it had absolutely no measurable effect of doing any better than without all the money.

What is needed is cultural change.People actually being responsible for themselves and their children, not allowing the nanny state to take care of everything.When the nanny state is allowed to raise your children, the nanny state only looks out for it’s own perpetuation, not the welfare and well being of the students. If actual competetion is allowed into the school system, then you will see actual change in results.
Please also take a look at this http://www.capenet.org/facts.html

nice post Dr.Zero

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on May 22, 2009 at 8:22 PM

I really like Doctor Zero’s posts.

iamse7en on May 22, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Even when Bill Ayers and Obama spent millions and millions of dollars on a small number of public screwls in Chicago, it had absolutely no measurable effect of doing any better than without all the money.
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on May 22, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Do you really think for even one minute that money Obama and Ayers had control over in Chicago actually went to programs that benefited kids in schools? That’s not what I heard and read. I don’t live there or have followed the news there during that time, but what I know about the two of them, it doesn’t seem likely they would do anything other than what was reported (that I read) which was use money to further promote socialist agendas in the Chicago area schools.

We already know that won’t work, no news there.

Spiritk9 on May 23, 2009 at 12:19 PM

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