Obama: We must never compromise our cherished values, unless it’s really important
posted at 1:19 pm on May 21, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Hotline has the transcript, but be warned that it’s a long slog through many swamps — Gitmo, interrogation, the torture memos, the unreleased Abu Ghraib photos, and on and on. You’re better off with Maguire’s witty recap. In a nutshell: We must look forward while also remembering that everything is Bush’s fault, and we must not abandon our core ideals unless doing so would make things too difficult for The One. My favorite part:
We are going to exhaust every avenue that we have to prosecute those at Guantanamo who pose a danger to our country. But even when this process is complete, there may be a number of people who cannot be prosecuted for past crimes, but who nonetheless pose a threat to the security of the United States. Examples of that threat include people who have received extensive explosives training at al Qaeda training camps, commanded Taliban troops in battle, expressed their allegiance to Osama bin Laden, or otherwise made it clear that they want to kill Americans. These are people who, in effect, remain at war with the United States.
As I said, I am not going to release individuals who endanger the American people. Al Qaeda terrorists and their affiliates are at war with the United States, and those that we capture – like other prisoners of war – must be prevented from attacking us again. However, we must recognize that these detention policies cannot be unbounded. That is why my Administration has begun to reshape these standards to ensure they are in line with the rule of law. We must have clear, defensible and lawful standards for those who fall in this category. We must have fair procedures so that we don’t make mistakes. We must have a thorough process of periodic review, so that any prolonged detention is carefully evaluated and justified.
I know that creating such a system poses unique challenges. Other countries have grappled with this question, and so must we. But I want to be very clear that our goal is to construct a legitimate legal framework for Guantanamo detainees – not to avoid one. In our constitutional system, prolonged detention should not be the decision of any one man. If and when we determine that the United States must hold individuals to keep them from carrying out an act of war, we will do so within a system that involves judicial and congressional oversight.
I.e. indefinite detention without trial, just like Karl wrote about this morning. There is an alternative to that available to Obama that would fall in line with constitutional principles: He could simply release the guys we don’t have enough evidence (or enough usable evidence) to prosecute and then have the CIA shadow them forever. But the public would go berserk and his national security credibility would be destroyed, so instead he falls back on some squishy “oversight” process in lieu of the right to a speedy trial. So much for cherished values. The irony is that his compromise on this sounds a lot like Clinton’s recommended compromise for torture in ticking-bomb scenarios: We know the CIA’s going to do it whether it’s legal or not, so we might as well create a judicial oversight mechanism, possibly involving torture warrants, to make sure there’s a check on it. That’s essentially the route The One’s going here vis-a-vis indefinite detention. Why not do it with torture, too?
The other lowlight comes when Obama explains why he released the torture memos but not the Abu Ghraib photos. Read it for yourself about three-quarters of the way down. In essence, he says that everyone already knew what interrogation techniques Bush had approved so there was no risk of inflaming anti-American outrage or disclosing any secrets to Al Qaeda. Really? I saw plenty of people in the media outraged upon learning from the memos that KSM has been waterboarded 183 times; presumably a few people overseas weren’t real thrilled about it either. As for disclosing secrets, what about that panel he ordered in January to investigate the CIA’s need for interrogation techniques that go beyond the Army Field Manual? Those aren’t going to be secret once they release their findings. And isn’t it equally true that everyone who’s seen the original Abu Ghraib photos has a pretty good idea of what’s in those photos he refuses to release — in which case, per his logic about the memos, shouldn’t they be released too? His spin here reminds me of Pelosi’s bobbing and weaving on waterboarding: The obvious truth is that he released the memos to appease his base and held back the photos to appease his righty critics, but he can’t say that so he has to come up with a, er, tortured explanation.
One more quote, simply because it’s the foulest lie in the whole speech:
We see that, above all, in how the recent debate has been obscured by two opposite and absolutist ends. On one side of the spectrum, there are those who make little allowance for the unique challenges posed by terrorism, and who would almost never put national security over transparency. On the other end of the spectrum, there are those who embrace a view that can be summarized in two words: “anything goes.” Their arguments suggest that the ends of fighting terrorism can be used to justify any means, and that the President should have blanket authority to do whatever he wants – provided that it is a President with whom they agree.
Both sides may be sincere in their views, but neither side is right.
Like Maguire says (and really, read his recap), did Obama even read the torture memos? The whole point was to provide guidance to interrogators because not everything goes. It’s his own moronic cultist followers who are the absolutists on this subject, not Bush/Cheney.
Here’s 90 seconds from the speech on values. Something tells me it’s not going to get the ACLU crowd off his ass.
Update: And I was right. Says Brett Ratner of the Center for Constitutional Rights, “He wraps himself in the Constitution, talks about American values and then proceeds to violate them.” Preventive detention seems to be a sticking point, don’tcha know.
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Isn’t the problem that you have to say that, Barry?
Pasalubong on May 21, 2009 at 1:24 PM
Obama, here’s some friendly advice. Zip it, and get back to work. Maybe you could actually DO something to ear all those perks, aside from spewing inane talking points, and scoring political points.
THE CAMPAIGN IS OVER!!!!!
capejasmine on May 21, 2009 at 1:24 PM
From the guy who smacked down secured creditors to favor the UAW in the auto negotiations.
He’s a disgrace.
BuckeyeSam on May 21, 2009 at 1:25 PM
Clever.
myrenovations on May 21, 2009 at 1:25 PM
He’s talking about the American soldiers who run Gitmo.
Cicero43 on May 21, 2009 at 1:25 PM
What leadership. Christ how many years has this guy been in office now? Election is soon right?
ClassicCon on May 21, 2009 at 1:26 PM
Rhetorical question of the day.
Who said:
I had to chuck some of my free-market principles, in order to do this.
OhEssYouCowboys on May 21, 2009 at 1:26 PM
Chavez?
ClassicCon on May 21, 2009 at 1:26 PM
LOL, it seems like 8 years, already. I’m worn out by that damned, Socialist, and he hasn’t even begun.
OhEssYouCowboys on May 21, 2009 at 1:27 PM
Isn’t that one of Alinsky’s rules for counter-terrorism?
BrianA on May 21, 2009 at 1:27 PM
Most under qualified POTUS evah!
Sugar Land on May 21, 2009 at 1:27 PM
Dude!
Elections over, You won.
Get to work on SOMETHING!! ANYTHING!!
faol on May 21, 2009 at 1:28 PM
Here’s the short version:
“Everything is Bush’s fault. It was all broken when I got here. I am going to change all of the bad things Bush did, by doing the same thing, but with different labels.”
Credit where credit is due – the ‘broken when I got here’ line was the headline on the noon radio broadcast here. I literally laughed out loud.
Vashta.Nerada on May 21, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Speaking of TOTUS, I’m going out to see Terminator XX tonight. Skynet’s going down! I wonder if TOTUS will make a guest appearance. I also wonder if Leonard Nimoy will make a guest appearance as well as John Connor from the future future who will have a giant ball of red Playdoh that turns into Rosie O’Donnell when ignited!
Weebork on May 21, 2009 at 1:29 PM
“Middle Ground” fever in the War on Terror! Catch it!
Pasalubong on May 21, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Obama: As Commander-in-Chief, I see the intelligence. I bear the responsibility for keeping this country safe.
Difficult for me to imagine a more frightening statement.
Loxodonta on May 21, 2009 at 1:29 PM
No. Make speeches. When he does stuff, private companies suddenly become government property.
lorien1973 on May 21, 2009 at 1:29 PM
More and more, it is so apparent that this dope will, when the real $hit hits the fan, fold like the cheap suit that he is. And then afterward, blame everyone before him because they made the terrorists mad at us. He is either a coward…. OR a traitor. But he is one of them. We’ll soon find out, unfortunately.
HomeoftheBrave on May 21, 2009 at 1:29 PM
You want him to get working on that car company? Or cap ‘n’ trade? Or banking?
myrenovations on May 21, 2009 at 1:30 PM
Why prosecute them? Just let them sit there, where they can’t blow anything up. The point is to prevent attacks. Conviction rates on prosecution are irrelevant.
The larger quote posted on this article clearly shows that Obama doesn’t understand War very well. He wants everything clearly defined and articulated, and spelled out. I guess the terrorists will have to send us calendars with the dates of their next planned attack.
hawksruleva on May 21, 2009 at 1:31 PM
It’s the Third Way… Hitler and Mussolini were great at offering “the third way.”
Upstater85 on May 21, 2009 at 1:31 PM
He is definitely working above his pay grade. Perhaps McDonalds would hire Obozo.
txag92 on May 21, 2009 at 1:31 PM
I suggest that Obama follow Biden around. Biden makes a fool of himself. Obama’s a lot more dangerous.
hawksruleva on May 21, 2009 at 1:32 PM
If they hadn’t already hired Powell
Upstater85 on May 21, 2009 at 1:32 PM
I am so sick of this POS and his strawman arguments. And even sicker of the Guard Dog Media who refuse to call him on any of them.
NOBODY wanted to “do nothing” about the economy.
NOBODY wants to “put ideology before science.”
NOBODY believes that “anything goes” in the war on terror.
How can a President of the United States continue to get away with such lies and calumny?
rockmom on May 21, 2009 at 1:33 PM
You want him to get working on that car company? Or cap ‘n’ trade? Or banking?
myrenovations on May 21, 2009 at 1:30 PM
Newsflash! It ain’t him. He is told what to do and when to do it. He reads the teleprompter smiles and gets a cookie.
faol on May 21, 2009 at 1:33 PM
Asher on May 21, 2009 at 1:33 PM
ZERO, the jive talk dancing queen.
tarpon on May 21, 2009 at 1:33 PM
This coming from the man with a sliver more credibility than San-Fran-Nan.
Upstater85 on May 21, 2009 at 1:33 PM
Well, maybe in the past “Nobody believed that “anything goes” in the war on terror,” but now we have Obama who has proven to be the flip-flopper and might just do “anything” to make some group happy.
Upstater85 on May 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Here’s a more important speech from Dick Cheney today
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/05/text_of_cheneys_aei_speech.asp
patrick neid on May 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM
If they hadn’t already hired Powell
Upstater85 on May 21, 2009 at 1:32 PM
I think there is room enough for two tools…. Obozo in drive thru and Powell on clean-up duty.
txag92 on May 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM
When he says Gitmo made us less safe, where’s the proof of that? I can easily argue it made us safer. There haven’t been any attacks since it opened. What’s his proof? And what is the big deal about closing this place? Why is it so important? It’s better if these people are in Fort Leavenworth? Why? How does that change anything?
AmericanUnderground on May 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Grafted on May 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Be careful what you wish for. He might nationalize health care, or force people to spend $3,000 to prevent “global warming”, or print money to bail out Collie-fornia.
Maybe we’re better off if he struts around in his Speedos showing off his bod on a beach for two years, then we can take back the House and THEN do something!
Steve Z on May 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Having useful idiots, lots and lots of them.
myrenovations on May 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM
I wonder what obama is going to do to guarantee the safety of one of these al qaeda types if they “beat the rap” in one of his trials.
Hey there Khalid Sheik Mohammed nice house you have there…be a shame if there’s an accidental explosion in the middle of the night.
elduende on May 21, 2009 at 1:37 PM
I guess that Noam Chomsky is right: torture really is as American as apple pie. Democrats are just as capable of torturing people as Republicans.
What’s disturbing is that you people just seem to think that’s something America should be proud of. I think it just proves that America is a shitty country that will do whatever it takes to maintain its superpower status.
AJB on May 21, 2009 at 1:37 PM
The first extreme represents the base of the Democratic party. The second extreme is a ridiculous strawman, but encompassing a very small number of people in the country–probably far less than the small number who join Obama in opposing infant-born-alive statutes.
Anyway, my favorite part of Obama’s speech was his complaining about the mess he and his administration has to cleam up and the amount of time they have to spend that could be put to better use.
What in the hell is more important than national security? That’s jobs 1 through 100 for Obama. Stay out of the economy, health care, and cap-and-trade.
And, as Cheney emphasized in his speech, with regard to EITs, we’re talking about only three people. What’s the big deal? Despite what Obama say, it ain’t torture.
BuckeyeSam on May 21, 2009 at 1:37 PM
The only way Obama could work at the drive through was if he didn’t have to repeat your order… You might end up with one horrible meal from this absent minded “genius”
Upstater85 on May 21, 2009 at 1:37 PM
BO-RING… You’d be better off posting some red meat highlight clips from Cheney’s speech for us AP.
RightWinged on May 21, 2009 at 1:37 PM
The only way Obama could work at the drive through was if he didn’t have to repeat your order… You might end up with one horrible meal from this absent minded “genius”
Upstater85 on May 21, 2009 at 1:37 PM
LOL!
txag92 on May 21, 2009 at 1:38 PM
Abortion = Preventive Child Birth
Terrorism = Man-made Disaster
Life Without Parole = Preventive Detention (is The One a fan of the movie “Minority Report”?)
The lexicon be a changin’!
BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 1:38 PM
I say lets make sure that if obama releases any one of these pigs here they don’t survive here for long.
elduende on May 21, 2009 at 1:38 PM
It just proves that we haven’t gone completely soft and that we don’t have to be completely ashamed when we have to meet with the Israelis.
BuckeyeSam on May 21, 2009 at 1:38 PM
A Chicago politician preaching to us about how his opponents use fear to get their point across.
Yeah, Mr. Transparency hisself.
JeffinOrlando on May 21, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Here’s the proof. Islamists don’t like anyone that fights a war with Islamists. They will try their hardest to beat their opponents into submission. Yes, GITMO and being a free individualistic society probably makes America a huge target for those Camel
HumpersJockeysUpstater85 on May 21, 2009 at 1:40 PM
I’d like to pass along Rush’s point.
Which event creates and inspires more terrorists?
Water boarding…
Or failing to water board, resulting in a successful attack on the USA?
By Obama’s own criterion (we must do that which does not create more terrorists) we ought to water board the whole lot of them.
jeff_from_mpls on May 21, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Deja vu!
I know I’ve heard this before….somewhere……
drjohn on May 21, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Isn’t that what Bush and Congress did in 2007?
Steve Z on May 21, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Apparently you didn’t get the memo: Whatever ORamses says is the truth and by default, law. It is also an historical fact, and everyone already knows it.
So let it be written; so let it be done
BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Perhaps test car dummy for those new fuel efficient cars he’s wanting on the roads by 2016? LOL
capejasmine on May 21, 2009 at 1:41 PM
I cannot believe we are only four months into this presidency.
myrenovations on May 21, 2009 at 1:41 PM
AmericanUnderground on May 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Funny how he talks about Gitmo closing and putting these killers in regular prison and the FBI breaks a MUSLIM groups attempt to trash NY. They came out of our Jihad prison system. DOH!
faol on May 21, 2009 at 1:41 PM
And that’s different from WHAT, exactly?
Barack Obama is the biggest douchebag ever to disgrace the office of the President.
I can’t stand it. I cannot stand this media complicity.
drjohn on May 21, 2009 at 1:42 PM
If Obama used a crappy debating technique like that in a high school Civics class, he would be laughed out of the room and earn a well-deserved D. Nobody is advocating “Anything Goes”. Far from it.
gridlock2 on May 21, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Hey, wouldn’t you want your half-brothers to have a posh detention center to live in?
Upstater85 on May 21, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Exactly! Didn’t we hear…we MUST pass this stimulus, and porkulous, to stave off economic disaster? How many times a day, did we have to listen to chicken little about that?
capejasmine on May 21, 2009 at 1:42 PM
The deafening roar we’re hearing is the avalanche of talking points. Killing unborn babies is not a value, but being nice to terrorists is. If 1000s die because of his incompetence, the only thing keeping Obama from being impeached will be Biden and Peloser. With those two next in line, a trained chimp would be a better choice..
volsense on May 21, 2009 at 1:43 PM
He still doesn’t realize that is just in time for his daughters to begin driving……when that fact seeps in, those standards will change.
“I’m not putting my kids in that POS, even if I do own the companies that make them”
BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 1:43 PM
It’s gotta suck being this guy…how do you make speech after speech containing so many contradictions and outright lies and keep your sanity? Only an imbecile could do it.
It also explains the strong reliance on TOTUS and notes…and constant flubs while speaking. It’s what trips up Pelosi so often…keeping track of the illogic and lies is very hard…you have to work off notes or something, because you just can’t keep it all straight in your head.
AUINSC on May 21, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Obama is a Misguided Experiment
faraway on May 21, 2009 at 1:44 PM
But why does he keep repeating Bush’s name. I would have expected the name to be removed from every obelisk, every monument, and every tablet in the land. And that the name “Bush” would never again be spoken!
Sorry, I can’t recall the exact line from The Ten Commandments.
BuckeyeSam on May 21, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Even better than that, the strongarm tactics against AIG employees, bankers, auto industry management…
ddrintn on May 21, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Oh, and in commentary on Cheney, and Obubbas speeches today, Bob Boeckel was bragging about the 4 terrorists that were arrested today, and spouting that this plot was caught, while Obubba was in office.
Taking bets now, on whether Obbubba knew a thing about this days before the arrest went down? LOL I’m gonna say he was in the dark, til the news reported it. Just like the rest of us.
capejasmine on May 21, 2009 at 1:45 PM
It makes my blood boil whenever The Precedent tries to act as if he’s an American or knows anything about American culture and values. The idiot messiah was raised in Indonesia as a muslim and is a marxist. He knows nothing about America. NOTHING. It is so obviously contrived when he tries to be “American” that it makes me retch.
progressoverpeace on May 21, 2009 at 1:46 PM
How is that he gets away with all this “some say” nonsense, especially when no one knows who these “some” are? They it using “weasel words” on Wikipedia. Talk about mischaracterizations.
Patrick on May 21, 2009 at 1:46 PM
You clearly misunderstand the purpose of the OLC (Office of Legal Council). While ostensibly there to provide measured, reasoned legal advice, their real purpose is to gleefully suggest sadistic ways of harming 3 innocent men from the Middle East.
hawksruleva on May 21, 2009 at 1:48 PM
You know O Creator of Worlds, O Sublime, He Who Pastures the Stars…..the reason you will lose in 2012…..is…..bashing Obama is simply all you have got.
You are bankrupt on ideas and creativity and ingenuity and you are excommunicating any talent that doesn’t toe the line.
The Big Tent that became a pup-tent.
Oh, and this of course.
lol
strangelet on May 21, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Go crawl back under your rock.
progressoverpeace on May 21, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Who have “we” cut off from the movement? In fact, who did “we” cut off that had any ideas?
Upstater85 on May 21, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Then her imaginary lover won’t be able to find her.
Upstater85 on May 21, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Nancy Pelosi is apparently the chief priestess of the “anything goes” philosophy regarding detainees, since she claims now to regard EIT as “torture”. In fact, she may also be the premier member of the “is there anything else that can be done” school. I wonder if making Pelosi the poster girl for the “lost our moral compass” crowd is something Obama had in mind when he uttered that ever so pleasing to the ear soundbite? D’oh!!
littleguy on May 21, 2009 at 1:52 PM
I think….for you to get some good new ideas….you have to acknowledge that Bush was an epic fail, and stop defending him.
He was a fail….he screwed everybody.
For example Roe is still there after 8 years, and the symbolic stem cell veto vanished in blink.
He screwed you guys too…..why defend him?
strangelet on May 21, 2009 at 1:52 PM
“We do need to update our institutions to deal with this
threat”! –Barack Obama.
WTF!
Obama is setting up,more stimulus spending!!
canopfor on May 21, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Just keep repeating it to yourself…over and over and over again…meanwhile:
http://hotair.com/headlines/?p=40704
hehehhehe
AUINSC on May 21, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Is that why Obama is scheduling press conferences to rebut Darth Cheney, who’s approval ratings improved in the past week?
Obama’s the gutsy decision-maker who picked Joe Biden, Janet Napolitano, and Tim Geithner. With his astounding intellect, he’s liable to pick Mr. Ed for the vacant Supreme Court seat.
Seriously, strangelet, what’s your favorite thing that Obama has done so far?
hawksruleva on May 21, 2009 at 1:53 PM
That didn’t answer my question. Deflecting are we?
Upstater85 on May 21, 2009 at 1:54 PM
If this guy were leading a unit in battle, he would have been fragged long ago.
This contemptible creature’s entire life is one distinguished by perfidy. It is, indeed, his credo that “anything goes” in the service of his own pathetic self-lionizing. As of this moment, I have no President and I will entertain almost any idea to rid him from the American political landscape.
mr1216 on May 21, 2009 at 1:55 PM
strangelet on May 21, 2009 at 1:49 PM
That’s a pretty stupid thing to say. If anyone is bereft of ideas, it’s Obama.
Obama does nothing different from Bush on this issue.
Nothing.
drjohn on May 21, 2009 at 1:55 PM
O lover of government, o lover of confiscation and redistribution, he who oppresses and restricts liberty!
is bashing readers on hotair simply all you got?
You have an 80 year old playbook from the progressives of the 20’s. Your narcissism and self hatred forces you to lash out and impugn those who disagree with you. You have soundbites and agitprop and destroy any who don’t tow the line.
Your tent is a colostomy bag.
lol
;)
daesleeper on May 21, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Wow, you did a better job of Strange-ing it up than she does…
Upstater85 on May 21, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Hell, Obama is bashing Obama. He’s so busy blustering and stammering that it hasn’t hit home yet. D’Oh!
littleguy on May 21, 2009 at 1:58 PM
When did Bush mount an effort to overturn Roe v Wade? You’re reading your own propaganda too much. That never happened. Bush’s stem cell position was proven right by the science. And Bush responded effectively to prevent further attacks after 9/11. If he failed at anything, it was at defending himself. But Bush thought Presidents should be above partisan politics, so he stayed largely silent.
Looking at Obama, I realize Bush was at least partly right on that, too.
hawksruleva on May 21, 2009 at 1:58 PM
daesleeper on May 21, 2009 at 2:00 PM
“You are bankrupt on ideas and creativity”
Creative ideas? You mean creative ideas such as keeping Gitmo open and extending the detainees’ incarceration indefinitely – that kind of innovation? Wow, that’s innovative policy.
Vera71 on May 21, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Obama is a weapon of mass deconstruction.
Connie on May 21, 2009 at 2:01 PM
What can you do? Doublethink works.
As for the values “we” cherish, it’s all a question of who constitutes “we.” Some “we”s value notions like “From each according to ability, to each according to need” far more than others.
Blacklake on May 21, 2009 at 2:02 PM
No, you should take it as a complement. I still like it when people pull a getalife…
Friend Strangelet
You and I could get our nails done
Also an abortion
Don’t forget the coat hanger!
\getalife
Upstater85 on May 21, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Yep. Strangelet is definitely a graduate of the Getalife School of Haiku posting.
kingsjester on May 21, 2009 at 2:05 PM
“President Obama has reserved unto himself the right to order the use of enhanced interrogation should he deem it appropriate. What value remains to that authority is debatable, given that the enemy now knows exactly what interrogation methods to train against, and which ones not to worry about. Yet having reserved for himself the authority to order enhanced interrogation after an emergency, you would think that President Obama would be less disdainful of what his predecessor authorized after 9/11. It’s almost gone unnoticed that the president has retained the power to order the same methods in the same circumstances. When they talk about interrogations, he and his administration speak as if they have resolved some great moral dilemma in how to extract critical information from terrorists. Instead they have put the decision off, while assigning a presumption of moral superiority to any decision they make in the future.”
-Dick Cheney
therightscoop on May 21, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Reading too many Dem fundraising brochures: The GOP is going to through you in jail for an abortion. Take a U.S. government class and figure out how laws–statutory or common law–gets changed. Then report back. Someday, you’ll let me know how a U.S. President unilaterally overturns Roe disappear–and what happens if Roe is ever overturned.
Truly laughable.
As far as stem-cell research is concerned, I think he held it off for enough years to allow the science to progress just about enough to make objectionable stem-cell research
a non-issue.
BuckeyeSam on May 21, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Troll fencing…instead of parry-thrust it’s deflect-impugn.
daesleeper on May 21, 2009 at 2:07 PM
The only remaining question: Will we survive four years of this amateur? I don’t feel safer.
d1carter on May 21, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Barry the Magic Negro…worst president in my lifetime…and that includes Jimmy C…
areseaoh on May 21, 2009 at 2:14 PM
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