Liz Cheney to Obama: Stop letting the polls shape your policy on terror

posted at 4:00 pm on May 21, 2009 by Allahpundit

The money bit comes at 1:45 in the exchange about what her dad meant when he said there was no “middle ground” on this subject; ironically, this is a rare case where the left would probably agree. As I said in the post on Obama’s speech, his policies in this area are defined by half-a-loaf gestures meant to appease critics on each side. He’ll release the torture memos but he won’t release the detainee photos; he’ll stick with military commissions but he’ll add a few extra procedural safeguards; he’ll ban torture but he’ll appoint a task force to decide if the CIA needs any additional interrogation techniques; and on and on. LC’s point is that he needs to decide what’s more important, fighting terror by the most effective possible means or placating his detractors with middle-ground muddles. Although, of course, The One would claim that those muddles are in fact the most effective possible way to fight terror, just as universal health care is the best way to end budget deficits, just as everything he does for political reasons supposedly isn’t done for political reasons but because it’s “pragmatic” or the only sensible solution or whatever.

As for Cheney herself, I’m surprised at how much of a fan base she’s built on righty blogs over the past month. I think it’s the fact that she comes at this with the same perspective and eloquence as Dick but minus the Palpatine vibe. Note her shrewd point in the middle here, too, about how the recidivism among detainees is likely to be greater among the hardcore group still left in Gitmo than it was among those already released. Luckily for us, Obama has a very principled, Hopenchange-y solution for that.

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I like her. A lot.

BadgerHawk on May 21, 2009 at 4:07 PM

she is sexy. I hope she runs for the presidency.

ousoonerfan15 on May 21, 2009 at 4:07 PM

The One would claim that these muddles are, in fact, the best possible way to fight terror

When you don’t know where you are going any route will take you there.

Cheshire Cat on May 21, 2009 at 4:07 PM

liz Cheney for Senate!

Now, please, somebody tell me which state she can run for? I like her so much, I’d start draft Liz site but I don’t know much about her personal info.

promachus on May 21, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Why do I get the feeling that the next great conservative leader is going to be a woman?

forest on May 21, 2009 at 4:09 PM

If her Dad is Darth Vader, is Liz Ventress to the statist?

WashJeff on May 21, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Palin-Cheney 2012? Anyone?

BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 4:10 PM

“Cheney/Palin 2012
Estrogen kills terrorists dead”

aquaviva on May 21, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Since W sent most of those detainees back I have always thought that those left are probably sociopaths. Regardless of where they are, they will remain nuts and Islam is just something they grabbed onto. Cover in numbers. If it wasn’t that it would be something else.

Cindy Munford on May 21, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Honest, articulate, intelligent….just like her father.

road2utopia on May 21, 2009 at 4:12 PM

“Cheney/Palin 2012
Estrogen kills terrorists dead”

aquaviva on May 21, 2009 at 4:10 PM

LMAO!

I nominate this as the post of the day.

(you did get the name order wrong, though)

BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Liz is a smart lady. Other then working with Romney, which still shocks me, I think she hit the nail on the head.

upinak on May 21, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Palin-Cheney 2012? Anyone?

BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Liz Cheney/Sarah Palin 2012.

Liz is off the heezy fo sheezy.

We *heart* you, Liz.

Daggett on May 21, 2009 at 4:13 PM

She’s really solid on these issue…maybe she’ll consider running for office. Though, the Palin treatment she’d certainly get would probably give her pause. But I would love to hear her thoughts on the economy and other issues.

AUINSC on May 21, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Liz Cheney to Obama: Stop letting the polls shape your policy on terror

Yes, obama, and pull your head out. What a tool.

HornetSting on May 21, 2009 at 4:14 PM

As I said in the post on Obama’s speech, his policies in this area are defined by half-a-loaf gestures meant to appease critics on each side. He’ll release the torture memos but he won’t release the detainee photos; he’ll stick with military commissions but he’ll add a few extra procedural safeguards; he’ll ban torture but he’ll appoint a task force to decide if the CIA needs any additional interrogation techniques; and on and on.

This is a very good analysis, AP.

He has one foot in and one foot out in pretty much every issue, with the lone exception of making exhorbitant financial commitments.

molonlabe28 on May 21, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Liz is off the heezy fo sheezy.

Daggett on May 21, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Pardon?

BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Palin-Cheney 2012? Anyone?

BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Where do I donate? She is amazingly awesome

youngO on May 21, 2009 at 4:15 PM

“Cheney/Palin 2012
Estrogen kills terrorists dead”

aquaviva on May 21, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Wouldn’t that be sweet schaundenfreude? Women-hating, Islamist whackjobs defeated by a couple of girls!!!

JAM on May 21, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Liz is off the heezy fo sheezy.

Daggett on May 21, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Pardon?

BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Michael Steele posted that

youngO on May 21, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Pardon?

BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 4:14 PM

he is saying she is cool. :)

upinak on May 21, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Palin/Cheney 2012

davek70 on May 21, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Liz Cheney’s point is that he needs to decide what’s more important, doing what he needs to do to fight terror or placating his detractors with these middle-ground muddles.

Liz doesn’t f*** around. We need more Liz.

In fact, this high-low, head-and-body routine that the Cheneys have going right now is fantastic. I really don’t think Obama and his idiot trust knows how to deal with these two.

And BTW, she can kick everyone’s a** on MSNBC.

This is almost as fun as watching Ralphie kick the crap out Scott Farkus and his crummy, little toady, Grover Dill, in A Christmas Story.

BuckeyeSam on May 21, 2009 at 4:16 PM

As I said in the post on Obama’s speech, his policies in this area are defined by half-a-loaf gestures meant to appease critics on each side. He’ll release the torture memos but he won’t release the detainee photos; he’ll stick with military commissions but he’ll add a few extra procedural safeguards; he’ll ban torture but he’ll appoint a task force to decide if the CIA needs any additional interrogation techniques; and on and on.

This is a very good analysis, AP.

He has one foot in and one foot out in pretty much every issue, with the lone exception of making exhorbitant financial commitments.

molonlabe28 on May 21, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Once again, President Present takes his normal position…dead center of the road.

BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM

minus the Palpatine vibe

lol!

She’s popular because she’s one of the few “righties” that seem to be fighting back without sounding like she’s trying to get re-elected for something. She’s keeps the pressure on when responding to leftie questions/comments.

cranbone on May 21, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Cheney/Cheney 2012!

jp on May 21, 2009 at 4:18 PM

ZERO only does polls.

Another vote for Palin/Cheney 2012.

tarpon on May 21, 2009 at 4:18 PM

I’ll ask again, can we draft her for senate in 2010? Where does she live btw? How do we get her into office? We can’t let her go, folks.

promachus on May 21, 2009 at 4:20 PM

“Cheney/Palin 2012

I don’t know if I’d vote for that, but I’d watch the movie.

radiofreevillage on May 21, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Liz Cheney to Obama: Stop letting the polls & You unwarranted and oversized Ego shape your policy on terror

Branch Rickey on May 21, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Are they polling in Europe? Obama is the President of Europe?

Who are the Democrats trying to impress? The countries whose economies are going into the crapper because they adopted the very policies Obama wants to adopt. Closing Gitmo because of European criticism – It’s like trying to win your senile grandparents approval :)

Dr Evil on May 21, 2009 at 4:22 PM

As for Cheney herself, I’m surprised at how much of a fan base she’s built on righty blogs over the past month.

She’s like Ann Coulter , without the hyperbole and savage destruction of the victim. More smooth assassin .

the_nile on May 21, 2009 at 4:22 PM

A really bright, articulate, attractive conservative woman candidate…hmmmmm, where have we seen that before? What could possibly go wrong?

Just wait till the MSM decides she is a threat. She’ll be turned into flattened roadkill faster than you can say, um, Sarah Palin? Or maybe Liz can be, given time, as totally villified as her father.

marybel on May 21, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Obubba to the masses. Love me!!! LOVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

capejasmine on May 21, 2009 at 4:23 PM

I’ve only seen her a few times now, but she’s very impressive. Intelligent, articulate, and she doesn’t back down. If she wants a future in elected office, she could probably have it.

AZCoyote on May 21, 2009 at 4:23 PM

“Cheney/Palin 2012
Estrogen kills terrorists dead”

aquaviva on May 21, 2009 at 4:10 PM

LMAO!

I nominate this as the post of the day.

(you did get the name order wrong, though)

BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Second it.

bluelightbrigade on May 21, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Seriously, think about it, can you imagine Palin picking her as VP, that would drive the lefties nuts. They would run rings around Obama/whoever (not going to be Joe).

She’s got great foreign policy cred, which would fit well w/ Palin…. I’m dreaming of the possibilities….

davek70 on May 21, 2009 at 4:25 PM

She’s like Ann Coulter , without the hyperbole and savage destruction of the victim. More smooth assassin .

the_nile on May 21, 2009 at 4:22 PM

That’s “The Lovely Ann Coulter” to you, Bud.

Next time, don’t forget.

BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Palin-Cheney 2012? Anyone?

BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 4:10 PM

“Cheney/Palin 2012
Estrogen kills terrorists dead”

aquaviva on May 21, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Either way, I’m on board. They have bigger b*lls than any man with an “R” by his name that I see.

TugboatPhil on May 21, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Palin/Cheney 2012

davek70 on May 21, 2009 at 4:16 PM

We’ll have to build a bigger convention stage because there are ten children between the two.

myrenovations on May 21, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Palin-Cheney 2012? Anyone?
BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 4:10 PM

::raises hand::

Branch Rickey on May 21, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Pardon?

BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Translation: Off the hook [wonderful], for sure.

Daggett on May 21, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Sorry, I assumed you spoke Austrian.

Daggett on May 21, 2009 at 4:28 PM

There is now a rumor afloat that Obama may apologize for US atrocities committed during WWII while visiting Dresden, Germany around D-Day.

technopeasant on May 21, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Sorry, I assumed you spoke Austrian.

Daggett on May 21, 2009 at 4:28 PM

I googled “Austrian for Dummies”. It linked me to the White House.

BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Liz Cheney just makes is more obvious how ridiculous Meghan McCain is as a political mind.

Ampersand on May 21, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Romney/Cheney – 2012? Wow, just thinking about that makes me feel safer.

LASue on May 21, 2009 at 4:34 PM

“Will no one rid me of these meddlesome Cheney’s?!!”

- B. Obama

Sugarbuzz on May 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM

“Will no one rid me of these meddlesome Cheney’s?!!”

- B. Obama

Sugarbuzz on May 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Alternative:

Obam: “I was going to destroy the country! And I could have gotten away with it, too, if it weren’t for those meddlesome Cheneys!”

Zoinks.

Daggett on May 21, 2009 at 4:46 PM

““Cheney/Palin 2012

but I’d watch the movie.

radiofreevillage on May 21, 2009 at 4:21 PM”

That is the first and probably the only thing we’ll ever agree on.

MILF’s rule.

LtE126 on May 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Here’s a great youtube video with Liz Cheney in an interview on MSNBC last year:

“If Senator McCain is nominated, it’ll be a sad day for the Republican Party.”

Absolutely true!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXNZaYPeF8s

TexasJew on May 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Is Liz Cheney single?

therightscoop on May 21, 2009 at 4:51 PM

This woman is very, very impressive. Look at the difference between VP Cheney’s offspring and McCains! If she did run for office, the press would not lay a hand on her without it getting bit off.

Vince on May 21, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Is Liz Cheney single?
therightscoop on May 21, 2009 at 4:51 PM

She’s 43, married and has five kids.

TexasJew on May 21, 2009 at 4:56 PM

She is a strong woman and should be a candidate for office. My guess is the media might have a little trouble manipulating her. If they try to do so, her ability to stand firm in her convictions will make them look like the weasels they already are.

sherry on May 21, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Obam: “I was going to destroy the country! And I could have gotten away with it, too, if it weren’t for those meddlesome Cheneys!”

Zoinks.

Daggett on May 21, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Not to worry…he’s just a guy in a mask.

BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Boy, she’s gotta be a badass. I just Wik’d her and she went to University of Chicago Law school. If she could handle all those spoiled brat commies, she can handle anything.

LtE126 on May 21, 2009 at 4:58 PM

“you know”…”you Know”….”you Know”…..Sounds like Caroline Kennedy.

I like Liz, but if she is going to be on the national stage, she needs to learn not to say “you know” every sentense.

saiga on May 21, 2009 at 5:02 PM

I think Obama could be doing some of the same tweaking of the Bush policies and I would be okay with it.

It is the constant demonizing of the Bush administration that is so offensive. I’m sure the decisions directly after 9/11 should be reviewed and evaluated. And new eyes might be helpful if they were not biased eyes.

Obama’s approach is just so disrespectful and ungrateful it makes me crazy!

petunia on May 21, 2009 at 5:04 PM

You know what they say about apples and trees.

Vashta.Nerada on May 21, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Liz Cheney to Obama: Stop letting the polls shape your policy on terror

Exactly…THE ONE is using the Slick Willy playbook when it comes to popularity polls shaping what he does and we all know how that worked out…Clintoon’s poll driven policies lead to 9-11 no doubt about it!

Liberty or Death on May 21, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Chucky Todd is another Joe Klein-ian sleazoid.

benrand on May 21, 2009 at 5:07 PM

I saw her interviewed on CNN. She’s very good at making her argument in spite of interruptions and attempts by antagonistic reporters to pull her off track. She just may be more valuable as a commentator than as a player.

Dee2008 on May 21, 2009 at 5:08 PM

I’ll say it again. Head of the RNC. She can water board the spineless RINO’s to either change their party affiliation or finally realize and follow the core values of the party.

lwssdd on May 21, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Hey Chuck, perhaps the American people could have heard this kind of debate during the campaign had the press not been so busy sucking up to Obama and done their job of vetting and asking tough questions of him.

katy on May 21, 2009 at 5:16 PM

she is sexy. I hope she runs for the presidency.

ousoonerfan15 on May 21, 2009 at 4:07 PM

I’d get out my checkbook for that. She’s the sort of calm, strong, smart woman who would be an public official.

hawksruleva on May 21, 2009 at 5:16 PM

A 10 minute dialogue on the strategy used by the Communists to undermine and take over America starting 60 years ago, which pertains to what has happened and is happening in our country since then and also fits in perfectly with what the Left is trying to do to America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3zhdRErYT8&NR=1

DL13 on May 21, 2009 at 5:21 PM

I like her alot. I would like to see her interviewed for her instead of being her father’s daughter.

d1carter on May 21, 2009 at 5:22 PM

Palin-Cheney 2012? Anyone?
BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 4:10 PM

I’m in.

She and Palin speak straight instead of this nebulous crap which THE O googooes us with.

she is sexy. I hope she runs for the presidency.

ousoonerfan15 on May 21, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Agreed. “Smart is Sexy”

CynicalOptimist on May 21, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Aaaand of course, Chuck Todd starts off with some condescension, and then proceeds to ask Liz what she liked about Obama. She did an excellent redirect, though, saying “that’s hard” and then launching into what was wrong about the speech.

Chuck had absolutely no response to Liz’s comments that moderation isn’t the way to keep the nation safe.

She doesn’t directly say it, but clearly she understands that running these terrorists through our courts is just a way to get killers back on the streets.

hawksruleva on May 21, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Both Cheneys convey a seriousness that’s missing on the left and which is appropriate given the topic. Republicans should embrace both father and daughter. Why run from a national security debate – arguably the most successful aspect of the Bush/Cheney years? Hopefully Obama/Reid/Pelosi choose to continue the discussion.

MajorKong on May 21, 2009 at 5:26 PM

she is sexy. I hope she runs for the presidency.

ousoonerfan15 on May 21, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Hope your female.

PrettyD_Vicious on May 21, 2009 at 5:28 PM

This woman is sensational.

D2Boston on May 21, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Hope your female.
PrettyD_Vicious on May 21, 2009 at 5:28 PM

She’s married, with five kids, moron.

TexasJew on May 21, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Her father’s smarts in a better package?

petunia on May 21, 2009 at 5:38 PM

When is Virginia heading to elections next? Hope she kicks Jim Webb’s ass in 2012.

promachus on May 21, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Hope your female.

PrettyD_Vicious

You’re thinking of the other Cheney daughter.

chalons on May 21, 2009 at 5:42 PM

“If Senator McCain is nominated, it’ll be a sad day for the Republican Party.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXNZaYPeF8s

TexasJew on May 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Awesome! The more I learn about Liz Cheney, the more I like her. Just like with Palin I still don’t know enough about her, though. Does anybody know her position on illegal immigration and bailouts, for example? I like her father but I was very disappointed that he fell for the chicken little garbage.

FloatingRock on May 21, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Just wait till the MSM decides she is a threat. She’ll be turned into flattened roadkill faster than you can say, um, Sarah Palin? Or maybe Liz can be, given time, as totally villified as her father.

marybel on May 21, 2009 at 4:23 PM

I think the MSM would have a hard times attacking her the way they did Palin. She has education,experience & connections that would be difficult to smear. I don’t think though she has ever been elected to any office but the O had only done that due to being a Chicago Machine choice.

katiejane on May 21, 2009 at 5:51 PM

I hope she moves to Nevada and takes on Harry Reid in 2010. Virginia 2012 is too far away.

promachus on May 21, 2009 at 5:57 PM

katiejane on May 21, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Agreed. they won’t use the culture war to paint her as trailer trash hick but they’ll use her relations to her father and paint her as Darth Cheney figure. The Left and MSM will always find something to kick conservatives.

promachus on May 21, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Question 1. Ms. Cheney is a private citizen…why is she more articulate and smarter and more insightful than 90% of Republican office holders?

Question 2. Exactly how big of a tragedy is it going to be that the R’s nominated McCain to run against Obama?

r keller on May 21, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Well, she’s light years ahead of that trollop Meghan McCain.

StevefromMKE on May 21, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Liz Cheney.

First female president.

notagool on May 21, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Liz is fabulous, she is so smart and everything she says makes sense. You need to post her contact info. She is her father’s daughter.

Frances on May 21, 2009 at 6:45 PM

“Will no one rid me of these meddlesome Cheney’s?!!”

– B. Obama

Sugarbuzz on May 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Alternative:

Obam: “I was going to destroy the country! And I could have gotten away with it, too, if it weren’t for those meddlesome Cheneys!”

Zoinks.

Daggett on May 21, 2009 at 4:46 PM

If this is the case, who would be our “Scooby”?

pjean on May 21, 2009 at 6:46 PM

someone needs to post her contact info- hint, hint!!!

Frances on May 21, 2009 at 6:52 PM

As for Cheney herself, I’m surprised at how much of a fan base she’s built on righty blogs over the past month.

Why? She’s articulate and has a much better grasp of reality than “0”ther people !

I think it’s the fact that she comes at this with the same perspective and eloquence as Dick but minus the Palpatine Palatine vibe.

( I truly hesitated to correct.) ;P

Yes,agreed.

jerrytbg on May 21, 2009 at 7:02 PM

The terrorists will all be sent to red states as punishment for voting for McCain. She’s really good. I’ll bet mom and dad are proud.

Mojave Mark on May 21, 2009 at 7:24 PM

I’d vote for Liz Cheney no matter her positions on social issues. The woman has more gravitas in her pinky then barry has in his entire administration. She would chew up and spit out that empty suit in a debate. Cheney in 2012!

peacenprosperity on May 21, 2009 at 7:42 PM

Ms. Cheney is a private citizen

She’s worked in government for awhile I believe.

why is she more articulate and smarter and more insightful than 90% of Republican office holders

Because she is the daughter of the only guy we have in this country we can call a statesman with any credibility.

peacenprosperity on May 21, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Palin-Cheney 2012? Anyone?

BobMbx on May 21, 2009 at 4:10 PM

I’ve got a contribution for the campaign and a spot for the bumper sticker.

jimmy2shoes on May 21, 2009 at 7:48 PM

Hey, I ‘heart’ Liz Cheney.

I heard she’s a lesbian. If true, such a waste. Women like that should be married to me and having plenty of kids.

I like Palin/Cheney 2012 too.

Sapwolf on May 21, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Hmmmm…she’s married already with five kids.

Good. Dynamite women like her SHOULD multiply.

I still like Palin/Cheney 2012.

How about the Cuda takes a detour from the Auburn, NY festivities to meet Liz?

Great publicity for both. Girl Power ’09!

Sapwolf on May 21, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Liz Cheney is wrong and so is her dad. November 4th, 2008 affirmed that fact. It’s a shame two people as intelligent and eloguent as these two obviously are are using those qualities to defend misguided actions of the past.

underceij on May 21, 2009 at 8:38 PM

underceij on May 21, 2009 at 8:38 PM

She’s wrong because Obama won? Yeah, Obama uses that line too.

AUINSC on May 21, 2009 at 8:41 PM

She’s 43, married and has five kids.

TexasJew on May 21, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Damn…good ones always get gone.

therightscoop on May 21, 2009 at 9:11 PM

We’ll have to build a bigger convention stage because there are ten children between [Palin and Liz Cheney].

myrenovations on May 21, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Taking Mark Steyn’s advice before he gave it. Good.

baldilocks on May 21, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Sapwolf on May 21, 2009 at 8:23 PM

sapwolf, that’s Elizabeth’s sisters, Mary who’s a lesbian. Liz Cheney is perfectly normal, has a husband and 5 kids.

promachus on May 21, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Notice how the whole Iraq war is off the table. Thats becasue we WON and IRAQ is free and has elections. No one mentions it.

The left is talking about waterboarding but GITMO is still open. Barry said he would close it but didn’t think about where to put the terrorists. How stupid is that.

Geochelone on May 21, 2009 at 11:35 PM

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