Faux moderation on abortion and sex ed
posted at 12:33 pm on May 21, 2009 by Laura Curtis
It’s not a trend yet, but here’s more faux-moderation in line with what President Obama just treated us to in his Notre Dame speech. In It’s Time to Find Common Ground on Sex Newsweek’s Lisa Miller analyzes President Obama’s speech on abortion and concludes that it was more about sex than it was abortion. I believe she’s correct about that, and clearly tries to be evenhanded in this article. But she’s incapable or unwilling to really understand the views of those of us who oppose abortion. And this phrasing drives me up a wall:
folks who believe that comprehensive sex education is the best way to assure that young girls don’t unexpectedly find themselves at the abortion clinic
I know what the writer means by this; she’s describing an unplanned pregnancy, of course. But young girls, unless they have been rendered unconscious and carried there without their consent, do not “unexpectedly find themselves” at an abortion clinic. They GO there. They may have been transported there by the school nurse. But it’s certainly a decision they are aware of and presumably had at least some input into, not some wacky event that happened to them. It’s just the latest in a series of bad decisions they’ve made. Decisions that the left generally feels parents should have no part of.
No, we generally are not in favor of sex ed at school. If “comprehensive” sex education included what it did when I took it in the early 80s – basic human anatomy, puberty, tab A fits into slot B, birth control methods include the following… even in the conservative evangelical circles I run in, few would object. That’s all stuff we tell kids at home after we opt them out of sex ed at school- along with the main message of “Don’t do this; it’s not time in your life yet for this.” What we object to is the attitude that teen sex is normal and inevitable and we should quit squawking about it. We object to schools teaching bizarre sex practices like fisting. We object to the theory that teenagers are mindless bags of hormones who can’t be expected to control themselves.
Miller presents the opposing view in an extremely limited fashion: prolifers are people who “believe that no woman should feel too poor or too on the margins to carry a baby to term.” Well, we do believe that. But the idea that we want to make it more convenient for a woman to carry her baby to term, as if our goal is primarily about helping the woman, is simply not true. It is our belief that the baby is a living human being with a right to continue living. Helping the woman is the method of keeping the baby alive. I’m not against helping women who need help. By all means, let’s help them. But the reason we particularly want to help them at that time is because of the baby.
Implying that poverty is the main reason women want abortions is simply wrong:
Guttmacher says only 23% say the primary reason they want an abortion is they can’t afford a baby, yet the Newsweek reader is left with the false impression that poverty is the main reason; that throwing money at the problem via a new government program will fix it. And the main reason prolifers are exercised about this issue goes completely unmentioned. Well played!
The premise of the article is that since it’s intercourse that makes all these babies, we need to sort out where we stand, as a culture, on the topic of sex. It’s a good point, but it’s as dishonestly treated as Obama’s faux-moderation on abortion. He says things that sound nice when you don’t listen closely, but carries on with taxpayer-funded baby killing, including requiring US taxpayers fund abortion in other countries. I get the impression we’re supposed to be grateful that he acknowledged prolifers exist and that he’s civil. Where we stand is in a hypersexualized culture that devalues parenting.
Our teens are political pawns for the left. They’re helpless victims of our prudery, children that the government needs to provide for at every turn with health insurance and free college tuition (but don’t deserve an adequate secondary education except when it’s time to raise taxes), socially and technologically savvy enough to make their own entertainment and political choices free from our censorship, mature and wise enough to choose abortion (but not give birth), and 18 year old babies who need to be protected from sneaky military recruiters and beer. The rallying cry may be “it’s for the children!” but the only really consistent position I see in the left is that parents do not know best; government does.
In Obama’s spirit of bipartisanship and moderation, the article makes the very mild suggestion that the left could take the great step of “conceding that sex is an activity best enjoyed by mature people in a committed, loving relationship” while the right concedes that “a condom, easily obtained, might prevent a lot of heartache down the road.” (Then again, with a 14% failure rate, it might not. The left is pretty sanguine about the condom failure rate while they use the fact that teens sometimes stop being abstinent as a reason to abandon the idea.) But the “reasonable” position in this article is evidently that the left can finally admit what’s painfully obvious, and the right can get busy doing exactly what the left wants. Well. That certainly sounds fair to me.
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since Roe:
-49,500,000 abortions
-16,000,000 abortions of black babies
-unlimited donations to planned parenthood for race-based abortions (“i want to give money to abort black babies”)
a bit late for “Moderation” and “understanding”, barry……
battleoflepanto1571 on May 21, 2009 at 12:40 PM
My husband has a cute story about sex ed at his high school. The teacher had a comment box where students could ask some questions anonymously.
There was one question: “What is a whipped cream treatment?”
chunderroad on May 21, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Which schools teach this?
Grow Fins on May 21, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Laura,
I like this simplified explanation. Good post too.
shick on May 21, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Good post. It’s always been about sex, and sex as a recreational rather than a procreational activity.
Mr. D on May 21, 2009 at 12:44 PM
I remember hearing about this too but I’m not about to go Googling it for you.
shick on May 21, 2009 at 12:44 PM
I was weed-eating my yard, yesterday. And the cord hit a toad, causing it to bleed. I stopped weed-eating and picked up the lad, or las, to see what damage had been done. I felt terrible. The toad had all his limbs, so I put it down and made sure that he was out of my way.
Now, I was concerned for that little toad – how then, can a “Doctor,” who has, allegedly, taken the Hippocratic Oath – which USED to prohibit abortion – so easily exterminate a child in the womb?
It is a Godless act. It is a merciless act. It is an act which reminds me of the madness of the death camps.
I will never understand it. And tens of millions more will die. Right, Mr. President?
OhEssYouCowboys on May 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Which schools teach this?
Grow Fins on May 21, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Don’t try to pretend you don’t know.
Bishop on May 21, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Which schools teach this?
Grow Fins on May 21,2009 at 12:42PM.
Grow Fins: It starts at kindergarten,the teacher,
Joycelyn Elders!!
canopfor on May 21, 2009 at 12:50 PM
There was an infamous case a few years back when they were teaching it in Massachusetts Public Schools.
gridlock2 on May 21, 2009 at 12:52 PM
How do you find “common ground” with someone who supports the puncturing of a healthy babies brain, then sucking it out with a vacuum?
Can’t we just say that is wrong, and not even have to explain or discuss?
right2bright on May 21, 2009 at 12:53 PM
That’s a lie and I can prove it.
The US Census says that 12% of the US population is black.
But you claim that 32% of abortions are of black babies.
The only way that could happen is if abortionists disproportionately exterminate blacks, and that would be genetic cleansing which liberals are totally against.
jeff_from_mpls on May 21, 2009 at 12:54 PM
It’s incredible isn’t it cutting up a child? You summed it up well with madness. Oh the evil the heart of man can do.
shick on May 21, 2009 at 12:55 PM
So nicely said. Rational arguments fail the irrational. The whole business is madness. It’s the worship of the Self, on the altars of narcissism and hedonism. That baby is in my way – destroy it. There’s more sex to be had, and so many more partners to have it with.
OhEssYouCowboys on May 21, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Your faulty logic doesn’t disprove statistics. You are right in suggesting the outrageous. The very originating purpose of Planned Parenthood was genetic cleansing. Look it up in it’s founder mother’s own words, Margaret Sanger.
shick on May 21, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Yes, we would all get along so sweel if us “fetus freaks” would simply stop being so squeamish about stuff like this:
CDeb on May 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM
I don’t. Why the hostility?
Grow Fins on May 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM
I think your sarcasm detector is broken.
CDeb on May 21, 2009 at 1:01 PM
What if you were a party to a botched abortion in which the baby is placed in a janitor’s closet to die?
I couldn’t live with myself.
Ironic that it’s the abortionist who calls the baby a “non-human.”
jeff_from_mpls on May 21, 2009 at 1:01 PM
Call me cynical, but the way I read those numbers says roughly 7% of the reasons are health related. 1987 or 2004, 93% are convenience based.
oldleprechaun on May 21, 2009 at 1:01 PM
Uhh…he is agreeing with you shick? This is why conservatives have such an image problem, can’t even detect sarcasm.
ClassicCon on May 21, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Thanks again, Notre Dame.
whitetop on May 21, 2009 at 1:03 PM
There can NEVER be any middle ground when the left denies the human life growing inside the woman.
As long as they continually and SOLELY lift up the “rights” of the woman – without considering the “rights” of the helpless child inside her…
…then there will never be any middle ground.
I’d be willing to say that abortion is about the child and the mother…
…but you’ll never get me to say that abortion is only about the woman.
Religious_Zealot on May 21, 2009 at 1:03 PM
And 3% is “possible health of the fetus,” the majority of which would be little Trig Palins.
CDeb on May 21, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Another lie, and I can prove it.
Where I went to high school, we had something we called “American Hero Day” and one of the heros was Margaret Sanger.
So how could a public school call her a hero if she were in favor of genetic cleansing? I think my high school teacher knows a little more than you do!
jeff_from_mpls on May 21, 2009 at 1:04 PM
Exactly. The misguided intellectuals of the abortion crowd act as if (and I’m sure many believe) you are too stupid/naive/uninformed to raise your children. And even if you aren’t they know better than you so just get over it and let us cultivate their minds as we wish.
I don’t know if any schools actually teach fisting but if you haven’t been to Planned Parenthood’s teen site it would be well worth your while to see just what they’re offering our youth. Talk about undermining parental values…
Speechlesstx on May 21, 2009 at 1:05 PM
Massachusetts. Now you know.
gridlock2 on May 21, 2009 at 1:05 PM
Oops, sorry. I should use a /sarc tag.
jeff_from_mpls on May 21, 2009 at 1:06 PM
Heavy sigh. Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to introduce Exhibit A, by and through CDeb.
Mr. President, you’ve approved of such berserk conduct, yes?
OhEssYouCowboys on May 21, 2009 at 1:06 PM
The problem is that I’ve heard so many liberals say things exactly like that.
MarkTheGreat on May 21, 2009 at 1:11 PM
It might be more correlated to the number of unwed pregnancies by group. I read somewhere that the percentages were higher for black women.
dedalus on May 21, 2009 at 1:11 PM
It was. Let me turn it back on.
shick on May 21, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Spot on!
This idea that we can’t control our sexual drives is also a kissing cousin (pun intended) to a previous discussion about those who believe that the most important factor in determining a spouse is “sexual compatibility.”
Yes, we are DEFINITELY living in a hypersexual society…
…and that’s NOT a good thing.
Religious_Zealot on May 21, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Me too.
shick on May 21, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Ok, so I found reference to one instance of
“schools teaching bizarre sex practices like fisting.” It’s from 2000 and I’m assuming it’s this occurence. Are there other instances of this happening to justify the rather exaggerated claim that “schools” (plural) teach this on (an implied) regular basis.
Grow Fins on May 21, 2009 at 1:14 PM
If the incidence of abortion is related to poverty and lack of social services, how come in Sweden, where there is cradle-to-grave welfare and free medical care, their abortion rate is twice ours? Hmmmmm???
marybel on May 21, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Rest assured, if a woman had a baby Harp seal in her womb – abortion would be illegal, tragic and utterly despicable.
OhEssYouCowboys on May 21, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Laura,
I like your Local Church’s doctrinal statement.
shick on May 21, 2009 at 1:15 PM
I object to “comprehensive sex education” because that is the euphemism for “social indoctrination” that tells children that they can screw whatever and whoever they want without consequences because they can just use a rubber. That’s all it is. No discussion about opposing points of view, like, contraception is as good as murder, sex is the highest and best form of love between two MARRIED individuals, and outside of marriage it is a grave sin, etc. Whether you agree with these points of view, they do exist, some of us take them very seriously, and they are not taught, so “comprehensive” is not what we think it is.
Usual lies by the liberal left.
tcn on May 21, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Give me a break. That is not what schools teach about sex. Such hyperbole!
Grow Fins on May 21, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Try googling “school sex education fisting”
You’ll get a couple more hits.
Religious_Zealot on May 21, 2009 at 1:19 PM
Abortion is a poor way to fix the mistake of accidental pregnancy. Supporting abortion is like supporting killing the witnesses when you a hit someone’s car, or like supporting government-supplied heroin to “treat” drug addicts.
hawksruleva on May 21, 2009 at 1:20 PM
CDeb on May 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM
I don’t even know how to respond to this. I think people who are in favor of abortion do not realize what really happens in these clinics. To them it is a sterile medical procedure, not something as graphic as you posted.
A question I would like to put out there is this, did the mother feel her baby flinch in pain and if so does that haunt her at night? I hope it does.
milwife88 on May 21, 2009 at 1:20 PM
Isn’t it ironic that the same people that believe in pumping kids full of self-esteem is also telling them that they are entirely incapable of controlling themselves?
CDeb on May 21, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Anyone catch Coulter today? She suggested that, since we proudly display examples of all our Constitutional rights, Notre Dame should have a life on-stage abortion next year.
hawksruleva on May 21, 2009 at 1:22 PM
CDeb, That isn’t the first time you’ve corrected me. Thank you.
shick on May 21, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Still no evidence to support the lie that “schools teaching bizarre sex practices like fisting.” But facts don’t seem to matter when it comes to generating outrage.
Grow Fins on May 21, 2009 at 1:23 PM
Still no evidence to support the lie that “schools teach bizarre sex practices like fisting.” But facts don’t seem to matter when it comes to generating outrage.
Fixed
Grow Fins on May 21, 2009 at 1:24 PM
Don’t worry, when I read something totally outrageous from our fellow HA commenters, I always read it again to parse any sarcasm from it. Sometimes, it ain’t easy to detect.
CDeb on May 21, 2009 at 1:24 PM
If you constantly tell groups they can’t help themselves, eventually you’ll be right. Result: permanent poverty, but also a permanent Democrat voting block.
hawksruleva on May 21, 2009 at 1:25 PM
True.
One can’t simply google a couple of words…
…they need to read the links that come up.
Religious_Zealot on May 21, 2009 at 1:28 PM
What is also missing is any representation of the dangers of abortion. When I see a doctor about getting any medication he informs me of all the long term consequences and I am expected to make an educated decision.
But how about the long terms psychological and health issues of getting an abortion. We need to stop selling abortion as a simple quick fix and provide all the facts.
dpierson on May 21, 2009 at 1:30 PM
marybel on May 21, 2009 at 1:15 PM and OhEssYouCowboys on May 21, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Very good takes. And CDeb, that’s going to leave a mark I am sure. heavy sigh indeed.
DanMan on May 21, 2009 at 1:30 PM
That is an outstanding quote. Hooray for Coulter. I love it.
OhEssYouCowboys on May 21, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Montgomery County, Maryland started teaching about deviant sexual practices in the Fall of 2007 as part of their “Alternative Sexual Lifestyles” curriculum, which was geared toward 8th and 10th graders.
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=64019
gridlock2 on May 21, 2009 at 1:32 PM
“I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.” – Barack H. Obama
cyclown on May 21, 2009 at 1:35 PM
As a mother, who has lost a child, I can tell you, it is thee most heart breaking pain…and one never gets over it. Never. It’s been 18 years, since I lost my first child. Not to abortion though. It wasn’t a choice…and I did not have an abortion.
So my question is, who can just callously walk in, and say…get rid of it? Over the years, and with the attitudeds of not taking any personal responsibility for ones own actions, my fear is that, so many are becoming so desensitized to abortion.
I reveled in the knowledge that more are coming to the pro life stance. It reaffirms that people still feel a moral obligation to others, and themselves, and value human life. Even in the womb!
capejasmine on May 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Ok. That’s one county (out of 24 in Maryland), in one state. Plus the other example which wasn’t even taught by the school. Two examples in ten years.
To say that schools are “teaching bizarre sex practices like fisting” is just not true.
Grow Fins on May 21, 2009 at 1:41 PM
LOL! You are a very naughty, naughty boy! Go stand in the corner….now!
vapig on May 21, 2009 at 1:43 PM
I feel terrible my post left ambiguity, I’ll try to use /sarc more often.
But I have to admit, part of why I leave the /sarc unspoken is because reading the post as if it were a literal claim is sometimes more damning than the sarcasm. It can force one to confront uncomfortable truths.
Still, I really feel awful. I love pro-lifers, they’re the heroes of this culture.
Sorry shick! Please forgive me. I feel like a total jerk.
jeff_from_mpls on May 21, 2009 at 1:45 PM
I used the Montgomery County example because I happen to live in Montgomery County, and I remember the controversy. Perhaps you might remember a similar controversy in your neighborhood.
The Montgomery County curriculum was approved by the State of Maryland. Whether Prince Georges or Howard or any of the other counties had similar curriculums approved by the state, I don’t know. I don’t live there.
gridlock2 on May 21, 2009 at 1:50 PM
No sarc tag need for obvious sarcasm.
PrettyD_Vicious on May 21, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Being sarcastic is tough when the object of said sarcasm has moved beyond parody.
CDeb on May 21, 2009 at 1:54 PM
It’s easy to be misunderstood as well as to misunderstand because we come to a discussion with preconceived ideas before even listening. Parsing for sarcasm will be a new item on my prayer list. God answers prayers. He answered one of mine which was to show me my hypocrisy and pride whenever it appeared. He came through with that miracle I’m sure he’ll provide again.
shick on May 21, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Don’t. I appreciate the kind words.
shick on May 21, 2009 at 1:55 PM
Agreed.
shick on May 21, 2009 at 1:56 PM
fair enough. But the claim as it was originally made is clearly an exaggeration. This stuff happens rarely, if at all.
Grow Fins on May 21, 2009 at 1:57 PM
What I want is a real liberal to come on, and tell me where the common ground is on partial birth abortion.
Just take that one subject, and I would like to have them state how important it is to them to allow doctors to kill perfectly viable infants.
The issue of this post is:
We need to have a common ground to logically discuss this.
So I am asking any liberals out there, tell me where we can have common ground on partial birth abortion…and are you willing to forgo this practice if you deem it barbaric?
right2bright on May 21, 2009 at 1:59 PM
I dunno if I would say “rarely”. Lots of school districts are teaching diversity and tolerance, which includes descriptions of homosexual behavior and describes these behaviors as “normal” I guess it also has to do with what are your limits on “bizarre?
gridlock2 on May 21, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Great point! The problem is that only liberals are wise enough to define “common ground” for us./sarc
shick on May 21, 2009 at 2:04 PM
I think Grow Fins is specifically referring to things like fisting. I feel dirty even typing it.
shick on May 21, 2009 at 2:05 PM
The states have room from the courts to legislatively restrict partial birth. Is it being put to a vote? It seems like it would have majority support in most states.
dedalus on May 21, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Fisting? I doubt that term is uttered by a teacher in any classroom in America.
Grow Fins on May 21, 2009 at 2:05 PM
That’s a lie and I can prove it.
The US Census says that 12% of the US population is black.
But you claim that 32% of abortions are of black babies.
The only way that could happen is if abortionists disproportionately exterminate blacks, and that would be genetic cleansing which liberals are totally against.
jeff_from_mpls on May 21, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Your faulty logic doesn’t disprove statistics. You are right in suggesting the outrageous. The very originating purpose of Planned Parenthood was genetic cleansing. Look it up in it’s founder mother’s own words, Margaret Sanger.
shick on May 21, 2009 at 12:59 PM
*
Please help me with this. Why do the libs support supressing the black population? I’ll tell you one thing. If it weren’t for this disparity, the libs would never lose an election.
marklmail on May 21, 2009 at 2:12 PM
As you noted there is proof that it has been taught,but lets think another direction.As the mother of 4 kids(1 is now 20,the rest are teens) I have to share with you how hard it has been to instill sexual morals into a child that has been informed in school that its perfectly normal if he or she has certain sexual feelings to act on those feelings as long as they use protection.
I have taken advanced human sexuality courses in college recently where we discussed various paraphilias,and in doing so I discussed some of the behaviors with my adult children who have informed me that most of what I was asking about was covered either in health class amongst the material, or later on amongst the kids and their friends on the internet. Sixty-six percent of all adolescents have reported wanting to try certain explicit acts upon viewing those acts.
Its pretty safe to say that around 75 percent of all males in the United States learn their sexual behaviors from explicit materials. Having said that,interjecting the idea that this is okay, and normal. Instead of attempting to teach our children self control and getting away from the instant gratification society that we have become , we choose to tell our children that we have no trust in them,and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
The very education we think is protecting our children merely serves as a vehical in which pressure is exerted on our children to be normal-and normal is (of course according to the teachers)-sexually active. We indoctrinate our children into sex,starting from the age of 5 on instead of empowering them in their own will and inner strength to put off until they are emotionally,physically, and financially capable of handling the consequences of a mature sexual relationship. This is the biggest contributor(IMO) to the abortion/teen pregnancy rates that exist in this country.
canditaylor68 on May 21, 2009 at 2:16 PM
I agree. It’s just such a non-issue to me, anyway. Sex is natural.
And it’s going to happen around puberty.
So let’s just get on with it, and knock off this ridiculous idea that men marry virgins.
Please.
AnninCA on May 21, 2009 at 2:17 PM
That’s your comment? That’s the thing you chose to focus on?
bluelightbrigade on May 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM
I saw the /sarc tags, they were just hard to see.
But yeah, it’d be easier to see them if it weren’t so true.
This topic’s making me sick.
Chaz706 on May 21, 2009 at 2:38 PM
GrowFins: yes, fisting is an extreme example – that was part of the point, that the left perceives the boundaries VERY differently than the right on this issue. But it did happen; google “fistgate” for more info, and it happened more than once in Mass. Because this is a local issue, it’s hard to get stats on how often this sort of thing happens. Groups like the AFA and the WND website have plenty of examples of wildly inappropriate sex ed teachings. (Wildly inappropriate by their members/readers standards, obviously.) YMMV but if the purpose is to teach kids to not get pregnant, that can be accomplished in an hour. If the purpose is to teach kids to not get an SDT, that can be accomplished in another hour. (And I don’t mean an hour’s worth of abstinence teaching; I mean saying *this* is how you get pregnant, and *this* is how you get diseases and *these* things lessen but do not remove your risk.) But sex ed has evolved well beyond the purpose of protecting kids. That’s why we object.
So is farting, but parents (especially parents of ten year old boys) spend a good deal of time admonishing their children to control that particular bodily function and to reserve it for a particular time and place. No one seems to think that’s ridiculous, unreasonable, or impossible.
Laura on May 21, 2009 at 2:42 PM
I think that the concern is that our society continues to advance to new levels of depravity. Curriculum in liberal hands continues to “push the boundaries” with horrendous results.
I personally believe that homosexuality is a perverse and deviant lifestyle, and should never be taught as an “acceptable lifestyle choice”. I only heard tiny mentions of it when I went to high school, and never in a positive light. Now I live in a quiet suburban area in Ohio… and they have CLUBS in high school that advocate homosexuality!
At the current rate of moral decline, I shudder to think what will be taught in a few decades…
dominigan on May 21, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Sorry, like abortion there is no middle ground in this issue. Raging hormones don’t allow for being “reasonable” enough to find a compromise. And just because the hormones rage does not mean you have to give in to them. Strong parents and frequent and good communication give kids the best chance to abstain.
macummings on May 21, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Thanks for the response.
Grow Fins on May 21, 2009 at 2:51 PM
That’s not the point, Ann, and you know it.
The real point is that our POTUS is blithely telling good parents, and citizens concerned about the human rights violations we call “abortion”, to STFU – at a catholic university of all places.
Our POTUS needs to focus on his own kids. Not ours.
Our POTUS needs to stop wasting out tax dollars by sending overseas to fund abortions (genocide/population control)
Our POTUS needs to acknowledge why he voted to kill babies who survive abortions.
Our POTUS needs to stop pretending to be a moral authority on something he said was above his pay grade.
Sure, kids have sex. So what? It’s not a schools job to tell them not too (unless its on school property or at school-sponsored functions). But it’s NO ONE’S place to supplant parenting with sex education that amounts to “everyone’s doing it”, which is definitely what is going on.
If you’re gonna be laissex faire about teen sex, then keep your hands off of what values parents should be able to teach their children.
bluelightbrigade on May 21, 2009 at 2:58 PM
I agree with your points to the extent that I think sex education should be clinical and focused on preventing pregnancy and disease. Theoretically, it should require the students to take an infant or young child home for a week and respond to the child’s every need. They can then write a term paper on how a baby would change their social life and plans for the future.
dedalus on May 21, 2009 at 3:12 PM
Hey
LisaWeasel Miller ofNewsweekNewSpeak, if abortion ain’t a bad thing then why worry about young girls at abortion clinics?Try, try to be somewhat intellectually consistent there “Newsweek.” Never mind; know you are totally incapable of that.
Branch Rickey on May 21, 2009 at 3:13 PM
That’s exactly the impression I got from Teh Won of Arrogance! Thanks Laura; thought I was the only one.
Branch Rickey on May 21, 2009 at 3:20 PM
The author said “We object to schools teaching bizarre sex practices like fisting”. I don’t see a claim about the frequency of the practice. The author clearly says “for example”, and gives one particular example.
You ought to just admit you were wrong or confused, or whatever.
jeff_from_mpls on May 21, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Notice the lack of biological know-how evident in the 19% who responded (in 2004): “child bearing days are over.”
Guess what, doll–God had apparently another plan for you, in case you couldn’t tell.
cackcon on May 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM
I didn’t disagree with you. But it was discussed in a school auditorium somewhere. Don’t remember where but I agree that it’s not the norm. Teaching birth-control in schools, however, is more prevalent.
shick on May 21, 2009 at 4:05 PM
I disagree. I think that though recent polls show that the majority are against abortion, I don’t think people vote based on this issue alone. And vice versa. There are lots of fiscal conservatives, pro-gun, pro-finish-wars-correctly, anti-socialists, pro-democracy voters that are not pro-life that voted for McCain.
shick on May 21, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Thank your for this comment. It was educational. I have four children with the oldest 13. He has been homeschooled from the beginning and we have to find a new eductation solution for him. This information has helped.
shick on May 21, 2009 at 4:12 PM
I think what marklmail is saying is that given the skewed demographics of abortions in this country, the liberals have aborted away a healthy advantage they would have otherwise.
CDeb on May 21, 2009 at 4:25 PM
But Obama took the moderate and reasonable position of granting a conscience-clause exemption for those who did not want to be involved in the abortion procedure.
So where’s my conscience-clause exemption? Who do I need to see to opt out of support for Obama’s executive decision (I guess he decided it was in his pay grade) to force taxpayers to subsidize abortions for foreigners?
JohnJ on May 21, 2009 at 4:26 PM