Video: Hey, how about another long, angry debate over a police brutality clip?
posted at 3:44 pm on May 20, 2009 by Allahpundit
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There’s not much to debate in this one, actually, but the conclusion is so spectacular/awful that I can’t not post it. It’s weird how there almost seem to be trends with these brutality vids that catch on online: For the last few years it was nothing but arguments over proper taser use and lately it’s been nothing but arguments over what constitutes excessive force, ranging from minor examples to more serious ones to out-and-out homicide. This one falls somewhere in the middle-to-extreme end of the spectrum.
All five cops involved have been fired, needless to say.
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You’re not entirely correct here. Laws in some, likely most, if not all states are more harsh on those who attack/kill cops than normal citizens.
However, the problem here is in neither the situation of a normal citizen or a cop are you entitled to beat a person who is unconscious.
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 5:27 PM
By the way, the whole notion that the cops can be excused because of their feelings sounds like the position an overwrought lefty might take.
flipflop on May 20, 2009 at 5:29 PM
should have been shot and killed behind the wheel or rode off the road into a pole. No one would say anything. He was using his vehicle as a deadly weapon, they needed to use equal force to stop him from killing someone. Video would show him trying to kill the cop and then continuing to run. No argument if he was killed behind the wheel.
Tremmy on May 20, 2009 at 5:29 PM
The cops were restrained enough under the circumstances. I would have done the exact same thing probably. He exited the vehicle. As far as they knew, he was still a threat. Of course, ACORN has better lawyers, so I’m sure the thug will get paid.
mike_NC9 on May 20, 2009 at 5:30 PM
If you would have done the same thing, you would have been prosecuted. If he was still a threat, they could have easily pinned and handcuffed him, as is ALWAYS the procedure.
Violence is authorized by police in order to subdue and detain.
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 5:31 PM
And protect themselves and/or others.
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Splendid! I like your style Percy. Have a good evening.
Keyser-Soze on May 20, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Please. The guy almost killed a fellow officer. He came within inches. He’s lucky the officers showed some restraint.
TheBigOldDog on May 20, 2009 at 5:33 PM
robertnyc212 on May 20, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Proved my point.
kingsjester on May 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM
What part of hope and change don’t you get? These thugs are killing each other and us by the thousands every single day. Don’t you care? They may be fired and they might be prosecuted, but they went home that night. God Bless our men and women in uniform. The criminal justice system is broken down by people hiding behind it. The officer with the stop sticks would have been justified in putting a bullet between his eyes.
mike_NC9 on May 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Oh, c’mon, Dog. I read your comments here all the time, and I expect better from someone I respect. How does allowing the cops to take out their anger on this guy make us a nation of laws?
flipflop on May 20, 2009 at 5:36 PM
People keep saying he was trying to ‘kill an officer’. . . but didn’t the officer sort of run in front of the car? It looked more like the guy was trying to miss the stop strips that the cop threw out.
Granted, he hit the cop WHO WAS IN THE ROAD. In a perfect world, the perp wouldn’t be fleeing. In a perfect world, the cop wouldn’t need to run in front of the car and throw out stop strips. But that’s not what happened. The driver wasn’t trying to kill the cop. It looked to me like the driver was trying to avoid the stop strips.
ThackerAgency on May 20, 2009 at 5:36 PM
What you mean Gringo? In Mexico they do it all the time. That’s one of the main reasons why I snuck across the border. But then America is becoming more and more like Mexico so maybe I will have to sneak across the Canadian border one of these days. America will be all bankrupt soon anyway.
NoBordersJose on May 20, 2009 at 5:36 PM
What professionals – and brave too. Beating an unconscious suspect. While their backs are to the vehicle they had been chasing….. call me crazy, but I am pretty sure that the vehicle or someone in the vehicle may have been a bigger threat than an UNCONSCIOUS suspect.
And I am pretty sure the highly trained professional that ran out into traffic to throw down spike strips in front of himself wasn’t showing evidence of perfect training.
But they performed the beat down on the unconscious suspect perfectly….. so from the video anyway, they were successful for 1 out of 3 tasks.
Great job boys!
JeffinOrlando on May 20, 2009 at 5:38 PM
He tried to kill a police officer. He’s lucky he’s alive. They showed remarkable restraint under the circumstances.
I bet you’d defend them if they were soldiers, this happened in Iraq and an Iraqi was driving that truck. This is really not very different.
TheBigOldDog on May 20, 2009 at 5:39 PM
And many others too. We are counting on it.
DasObamaReich on May 20, 2009 at 5:39 PM
So the car swerved out of the way of the spike strips, right at the cop…who “ran out in front of the car”?
What a coincidence. He cared more about the tires of his car than about the life of that officer.
Lawdy lawdy don’t you bruise that po’ baby!
MadisonConservative on May 20, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Um…I’m assuming you wrote that with tongue firmly planted in your cheek?
flipflop on May 20, 2009 at 5:40 PM
To be fair, that is entirely different. The suspect in question is a US citizen, not an Iraqi.
MadisonConservative on May 20, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Yes, I’d defend the soldiers, but it’s entirely different, unless I missed the memo that we’re now living under martial law.
flipflop on May 20, 2009 at 5:42 PM
It’s not feelings. It’s knowledge that the person you are tasked with apprehending has determined your life is forfeit in exchange for their freedom.
MadisonConservative on May 20, 2009 at 5:42 PM
I showed this to my husband, while he says the guy got what he deserved, the cops also got what they deserved. The guy was out cold, all they had to do was cuff him and be done with it. They didnt have to beat him. He said when as soon as the cops turn their lights on here, the camera automatically goes on, the camera cant be shut off or covered. My husband is a cop and has been through his stuff. He was almost run over by a lady while he was arresting her boyfried, him and the boyfriend were standing between his car and the cop car. He did give her a distractionary slap or two to get her under control and I feel that was well deserved. Thankfully for us that was before cameras were installed here!
akerralls on May 20, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Not to mention, I GUARANTEE that soldiers would have surrounded the vehicle LONG before approaching the suspect. The LAST thing that they would have done is jump on an unconscious person.
I can’t say anything about what Obama’s CIA would do once the person was hauled off though.
JeffinOrlando on May 20, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Which still makes it a personal vendetta (feelings) rather than lawful procedure. Look…I get why the cops reacted as they did. But our laws say they can’t do it.
flipflop on May 20, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Not yet as we have a few more steps to complete first.
DasObamaReich on May 20, 2009 at 5:46 PM
And I along with others want the law observed…to the lowest degree possible. A write-up in their file, a week or two of paid leave, and back on the job. We’ve seen case after case of unauthorized uses of force. There are many abusive thugs masquerading as officers of the law. Many more are not thugs, and often find themselves in situations where they may die.
When the situation at question is a few klonks on an attempted murderer of a police officer within the first few seconds after a high-speed chase, reason needs to be applied. They should not be fired.
MadisonConservative on May 20, 2009 at 5:49 PM
It is past time we stop coddling criminals and remove them from society. We just saw a short clip of the scene, but it looked very tense and this type of violent behavior is taken way too lightly because it’s so widespread. Sadly it will take a majority of people being actual victims of violent crime before anything is done.
I have an idea, instead of arresting violent offenders, let’s tax them!
mike_NC9 on May 20, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Uh. I’m no maby pamby Liberal by anyone’s measure. But that guy looked unconscious after he had been ejected from the vehicle roll.
Why beat a dead horse? Especially on video.
Side note but related. We have some new neighbors in our cul de sac. Last night their 10 year old boy hopped off of his bike and started kicking the crap out of his 12 year old sister. Right in front of me – like I wasn’t even there. I had to separate him from her (I have been told I am an imposing figure). One of the other kids that was right there laughed at this little creep after I separated him from his sister so this 10 year old flips him the bird. I’ll leave out the end of the story that has me on his driveway in a serious conversation with his parents.
Here is the thing. This kid’s intentions were to inflict maximum damage to his sister. He had no restraint. And, he did this with me standing within 8 feet of him taking his sister down to the ground using his knees in her abdomen as a pile driver. Either the kid has no respect for authority and/or he doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong and didn’t think that what he was doing was wrong (apparently she had called him “stupid” a few minutes earlier.)
When I see these videos of cops carrying out these beatings, especially on video, I can’t help but wonder if they don’t suffer from the same dysfunction this 10 year old suffers from.
watson007 on May 20, 2009 at 5:50 PM
I’m inclined to agree with you on that. Maybe send them to a token anger management seminar or something, but I’d probably have to exact some sort of token penalty, like a few days of unpaid leave.
flipflop on May 20, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Since we’re in speculation mode watson, I would have gotten an ass whuppin by my dad for doing that, and justfiably so.
mike_NC9 on May 20, 2009 at 5:56 PM
I would almost agree with you, even going to far as to say that the officer’s families would value their lives over a few days’ pay.
However, imagine you had your pay docked because you hit a guy a couple of times after what just happened.
Look, I understand that the greater offenses committed by truly dishonorable uniformed officers shouldn’t diminish the lesser ones. However, it’s hard to stay objective when the justice system is as broken as it is. Sometimes, you compensate for the fact that, too often, the brunt of the whole debacle of prosecuting a criminal falls hardest on the officer who risked their life to bring them down.
MadisonConservative on May 20, 2009 at 5:56 PM
.
Coddling Criminals?
US has 5 pct. of the population and a quarter of the entire world prison population.
ronsfi on May 20, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Justified by what? Certainly not the law. This idiotic idea that “other people are doing this” and we “have to get them back” is the same stupid arguments I heard trying to justify what the Jena 6 did.
You’d be happier in the USSR.
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Look at megs mccain trying to be intellectual.
What in the WORLD does this have to do with the justice system being broken? Can you point to a country on earth that has a better justice system than us? This has nothing to do with anything other than the cops were ticked off and wanted revenge.
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Hey AP, when do we find out how Meghan feels about this? She’s pro-sex, pro-abortion, pro-anticonservatism, how is she in beating an unconscious suspect?
Twit the twit and get back to us please.
JeffinOrlando on May 20, 2009 at 6:03 PM
She’s commenting on this thread under the pseudonym “madison conservative.”
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Compared to being ejected and rolled a few times, a few lumps is not going to be seen as a huge deal execpt by the appeaser class.
mike_NC9 on May 20, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Or people who are actually rational and objective as opposed to emotionally driven… much like the Jena 6.
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 6:07 PM
They were fired for all trying to give him CPR at the same time?? I know that’s a little inefficient but at least they tried. Right? Right?
Rod on May 20, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Yes I would, too. That somehow has to factor into our judgement on how the cops acted. Doesn’t excuse the behavior, but if it’s a result of such an extreme provocation, that’s at least a mitigating factor.
TexasDan on May 20, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Well, there ya go.
Granted, I see what your trying to say…that cops should be “above” a reaction like that, since they are there to “serve and protect” under the law. But cops are as human, and subject to the same human nature, as anyone else.
Coming from a “cop family”, I’ve seen it. Cops have a bond, much like US Marines have a bond, or fraternity brothers. An attack on one is an attack on all. Cop killers are probably the worst of what humanity can muster. Talk about a total disregard for the law…and life.
That driver was at least an “attempted” cop killer. They do not take that in the least bit lightly. But they paid for their actions…they’ll never work as police officers anywhere again.
But I’d be sure, if you asked any of them, would they do what they did again, knowing the results, they’d all say “yes”.
JetBoy on May 20, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Accepting cops beating unconsious criminals as a way to exact revenge/justice does not strike me as a way of getting the justice system back on track. Sounds more like lynch-mob rule.
Scrappy on May 20, 2009 at 6:09 PM
If you forgive those who sin against you, your heavenly Father will forgive you. But if you refuse to forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins.
Matthew 6:14-15
robertnyc212 on May 20, 2009 at 4:19 PM
It means robertnyc212 has a criminal trial coming up on the docket.. heh..
GoodBoy on May 20, 2009 at 6:10 PM
I’m curious where the line is for what you can do to an unconscious attempted cop killer. Break his arm? Maim him? Kill him?
Doh, hate when we have to deal with those specifics, eh?
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 6:10 PM
Exactly, however, one should not expect megs mccain/madison conservative to make an argument based on anything else than emotion and too many bon bons.
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Awww…another scumbag bites the dust.
Livefreeordie on May 20, 2009 at 6:15 PM
The As-hole tried to run over another human being (it matters not that he happened to be a cop). Were I anywhere near the derelict I would have beaten the animal to a pulp.
kregg on May 20, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Auditionin for Obama’s brownshirts are we?
Send that with the resume.
Sapwolf on May 20, 2009 at 6:16 PM
And you’d be promptly hauled off to jail in 50 of 50 states.
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Ahhh
:)
JetBoy on May 20, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Does rationale not allow for the primal element of release and mental faculties after suffering such an intense scene? They didn’t seek to be put in that situation and they are trained to reactIt was a short burst and they did contain themselves quick enough. Don’t make a mountain out of a molehill is all i’m saying.
mike_NC9 on May 20, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Just wondering how many of you posting here have had the adrenalin rush that comes from the fight or flight thing.
Adrenalin is way better that most drugs and when it hits it takes the strongest willed people to resist its pull into total war/action. When officers, who may normally be upstanding citizens, succumb to the darker aspects of the fight side of adrenalin, they should be counseled, maybe even punished but stuff like this is an occupational hazard and should be treated as such.
Really, some of you sanctimonious folk need to take a closer look at yourselves. What would you do? I suspect that in my case the flight thing would kick in. Thank God there are those out there who are willing to fight for you and me, all the while risking that fall into the dark side.
dingbat on May 20, 2009 at 6:20 PM
5 men beating an unconscious person who may already have internal bleeding, broken bones, etc is not a molehill.
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 6:21 PM
I’m still waiting for the extent of appropriate reactions in these cases. How much are you allowed to do to an unconscious person after they are no longer a threat?
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 6:22 PM
So, police officers are expected to be willing to be assaulted, injured, and killed so that you and yours can walk the streets in relative safety after dark. The officer who was nearly run over was expected to jog out into the middle of the Interstate to throw the spikes out in an attempt to safely stop this lunatic before he runs over you, your spouse, or your kids. But God forbid his fellow officers respond like regular human beings after seeing one of their friends nearly murdered.
Were they wrong? Yes. Do they deserve punishment? Yes. Do they also deserve the understanding and forgiveness of everyone of you worthless humps sitting in the safety of your homes, cubicles, or neighborhood Starbucks playing Monday Morning Quarterback instead of the bile and general asshattery on display. Yes, they do.
I can’t wait until I retire.
Dukeboy01 on May 20, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Hard to get too exercised about this beating. These cops just witnessed the dirtbag driver attempt to murder their fellow officer. According to natural justice, the proper punishment for that attempted murder is death. Thus even if these brother officers had all emptied their guns into the dirtbag’s heart and brain, their act would still only be malim prohibitem, not malim in se. That is, it would only be an act that is punishable because it is illegal, not because it is wrong.
I would like to see strict limits on punishments for malim prohibitem, which would of course have to be an affirmative defense. The officers would have to prove that the dirtbag deserved the beating or execution that they meted out.
Alec on May 20, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Natural justice says attempted murder is punished by death? Where in the world are you getting this from?
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Just curious. How much is the system broken? Is it so broken it can’t be fixed? 50% broken? Only 10%?
Where’s this “brokenness”? Are the cops broken? The judges? Lawyers?
Is it just broken when you don’t agree with the outcome the system renders?
Is it broken because the 9th is so liberal and tends to legislate from the bench?
Or is it broken because there’s a conservative lean to the Supreme Court?
And how do the actions of these over-adrenalized, all too human, police officers contribute to this “brokenness?”
Not saying I don’t agree with you but just trying to figure out where you’re coming from when you use such a cliched, ambigious phrase to justify your comments.
Rod on May 20, 2009 at 6:34 PM
It’s broken because his/megs’ emotions say it is. It doesn’t matter how. It’s obvious the only way to fix it is to not have a justice system at all and let people kill who they feel entitled to kill.
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 6:35 PM
People who work as police officers did not choose to be put into the situation of having to pursue and apprehend criminals? I’m not sure I follow the logic on that one…
Scrappy on May 20, 2009 at 6:44 PM
It appeared to me that the cops were beating an unconscious, or possible dead, person. Why would they beat a person who is not unconscious? Rodney King was resisting and got what he deserved. But this poor idiot was ejected from a car and was motionless on the ground. At that point, they are supposed to call for an ambulance.
It makes no sense at all. This was not law enforcement, this was an example of men, who happen to be wearing cops uniforms, so pumped on adrenaline and a lust for revenge, that they couldn’t resist beating a man who was clearly unconscious or dead.
keep the change on May 20, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Dead on. All of the responses here supporting what happened are either people who are thinking with their emotions or belong in the USSR.
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Why in the world are you (Theo) questioning it? Do you think that in a state of nature attempted murderers can be anything other than permanently incapacitated?
Alec on May 20, 2009 at 6:47 PM
well, since he was black and the officer is white… anything done would be “raacist” and “over the top”
Firing 5 officers? because they punched and kicked a guy who almost ran over a cop , god knows how long they were chasing and what else he broke or why he was getting chased…. but yeah since they hit him let fire them and take their pensions while we at it… and lets free the criminal….
If he was “unconscious” then he didn’t feel a thing so who gives a damn? what you gona charge a surgeon with stabbing? (yes i know stupid analogy)
Donut on May 20, 2009 at 6:49 PM
Dude, you pulled that out of the air. Attempted murderers go on trial, unless you’re in China or the USSR.
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 6:51 PM
That didn’t answer my question. Where is the line?
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 6:51 PM
The guy tried to run over a cop… and we’re bitching and moaning about the cops getting a few punches in? Seriously?
acrolite on May 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM
perhaps , just perhaps ,if his parents would have paddled his ass when he was kid, the percker head wouldnt have tried to kill a cop!
I wonder if he was just hoping for a time out.
Thank God he wasn’t wearing a seat belt either, made the ass kicking easier to give!
No problem with what the cops did .
Instead of fireing them I would have bought them a box of donuts and some coffee.
ColdWarrior57 on May 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Your name strikes me as funny given the topic.
But on to your point. What’s the deal with moral equavalency of criminals and cops. Where does a criminal behaving like, well a criminal, mean that a cop can also act like a criminal? I mean, their job is to deal with criminals, so is every case an excuse for them to act out becuase they have to deal with worse? I’m the first to say Cops have one of the hardest jobs in the world, and one of the reasons is that they have to hold back and be professional when the average person would want to go balistic on someone.
But your analogy about the surgeon brings up an interesting point. You wouldn’t charge them with stabbing when the use of their scalpel is necessary, but if when they’re inside they decided to intentionally slice up your liver unnecessarily you would have a pretty good case for malpractice.
Scrappy on May 20, 2009 at 7:00 PM
___________________________________________________
there it is!
no seriously, the line is serious bodily harm. If they broke his nose, broke a rib or what not then YES fire him. If they gave him a few bruises, slap on da wrist.
I have no fear of being beat by police… cause … ya know i dont run from the cops.. or run them over for that matter
Donut on May 20, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Right, because cops have never, ever beat up people for no reason. Except, of course, some people that I have known in my life.
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 7:07 PM
American citizens have no greater expectation of being able to kill a police officer than an Iraq has killing a soldier.
TheBigOldDog on May 20, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Police in no state are allowed to inflict serious bodily harm on unconscious people.
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 7:07 PM
I think if you people believe it should be acceptable for police to beat unconscious people, you should get the legislatures in your respective states to pass laws allowing this.
I’d be really interested in your arguments for these laws, too.
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 7:11 PM
All considered it was a restrained response to this would be cop killer.
In fact they were far to polite to this menace to society.
FireBlogger on May 20, 2009 at 7:16 PM
If you guys think beating unconscious, and possibly dying, people is acceptable, you should urge your states to pass laws allowing it. Otherwise, is patently illegal.
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Looks like these cops got too much adrenalin.
THe perp WAS TOSSSED from the vehicle.
He did not appear to ecit the vehicle willingly.
Excessive force, yes = book ‘em Danno.
omnipotent on May 20, 2009 at 7:24 PM
And yes the driver is a POS.
omnipotent on May 20, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Too bad the van didn’t roll on him. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. I hope his kidneys fail.
federale86 on May 20, 2009 at 7:26 PM
Time? Time means prison time, not being beaten while you’re unconscious.
You guys are being as irrational as liberals.
TTheoLogan on May 20, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Check all those pigs; yes pigs, they stopped being Police Officers the moment they started beating an UNCONCIOUS man, for steroids. And how many of those pigs beat their wives and kids?
My uncle served honorably in the NYPD for 30 years in Bed-Stuy and Long Island City, not the best places in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s and he never assaulted a perp. Shot one yes, but never assaulted one. When you take that badge and gun you have a responsibility to act better than the POS thug you’re arresting. Is it any wonder that respect for the PD and the law is plummeting? Its from sh*t like this to the small stuff like dodging traffic tickets. And don’t get me started on cops kids.
Now, go ahead flame away but you all know deep down that I’m right.
Don Carne on May 20, 2009 at 7:29 PM
As long as we’re all still OK with running the scum bag into a ditch so his car rolls over and he’s ejected and knocked unconscious, I’m happy to concede that what happened after that was questionable. Now, can we get to work on ordering up some more ditches?
Ronnie on May 20, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Why is everyone assuming the scumbag was unconscious? Why should the cops have assumed that he was?
We expect the cops to deal with human garbage like this day in and day out. Anyone who leads a high speed chase is putting everyone at risk. I’m OK with brutality in that case.
It seems too many people watched too much Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers.
deewhybee on May 20, 2009 at 7:47 PM
Im sorry but I love it. haha The guy tried to kill a cop by running him over and these guys get paid close to nothing and risk their lives everyday. I dont mind them beating on the guy a little bit after attempting to kill at least 1 cop.
UKFB2 on May 20, 2009 at 7:53 PM
The suspect should be prosecuted for attempted murder on the cop who was laying spikes on the road.
I agree. The wrong behavior of the cops is not excusable at all.
Wearing a badge is both an honor and a responsibility.
Excellent point.
ColtsFan on May 20, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Ditto here. Good point.
When the wrong behavior of cops are excused on the basis of “feelings”, we as a society are in serious trouble.
ColtsFan on May 20, 2009 at 8:02 PM
Or his head firmly up his ass.
csdeven on May 20, 2009 at 8:07 PM
I thought you had to do CPR on the front…. learn something new everyday.
Hog Wild on May 20, 2009 at 8:08 PM
Just doing my part.
AbaddonsReign on May 20, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Oh great! Here we go again. We have a gaggle of bleeding hearts who act like this guy was a respectable upstanding citizen who the cops beat for no reason. The officers were over the line, but I’d bet dollars to donuts that they have protected hundreds of upstanding citizens in the last year alone.
Yeah, lets get those scum bags off the force and away from society.
csdeven on May 20, 2009 at 8:15 PM
How can people expect officers to have no feelings after one of their own is almost murdered, and yet are expected to have empathy for some bullshit story they are told when those same people are trying to beat a speeding ticket? You can’t have it both ways. Especially if you don’t want to be viewed as the moron you are when you want it both ways.
An attack on the officer in the road is an attack on all law enforcement officers. It’s personal to them as they represent the law. I am inclined to give them as much leeway as possible even if it means looking the other way when a despicable sack of shit gets a well deserved beat down.
csdeven on May 20, 2009 at 8:22 PM
I don’t think I saw a single post that said anything possitive about the guy they were chasing. The point isn’t that he’s a great guy and deserves to get away with his crimes. The argument is whether the police have the power to dole out “street justice” just because they were pissed off about what the guy was doing. The law specifically says that they don’t.
Or you can argue that their actions were necessary force to subdue an unconsious person. I hope people aren’t dumb enough to take that route.
Scrappy on May 20, 2009 at 8:25 PM
If that guy doesn’t deserve an ass-kicking then there is no such thing as a deserved ass-kicking.
Stephen M on May 20, 2009 at 8:31 PM
The criminal clearly tried to kill the officer. In my opinion, that criminal should be in jail for the rest of his life for that one charge alone. The officers roughed him up a little, so what? THEY didn’t try to kill HIM – he tried to kill one of them.
http://www.respondersafety.com/Articles/ALABAMA_MAN_CHARGED_WITH_ATTEMPTED_MURDER_AFTER_FREEWAY_CHASE_OFFICER_STRUCK.aspx
KMC1 on May 20, 2009 at 8:34 PM
Five highly qualified security guards — that is where these cases end up don’t they?
deesine on May 20, 2009 at 8:37 PM
If the guy didn’t just try to kill a cop, I’d call it abuse. I’d expect nothing less of these men. That SoB just attempted to kill their brother.
Tim Burton on May 20, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Irrelevant the pigs in questin didn’tknow that at the time. They just ‘roid raged, and Bis Swinging D*cks that they are, beat a defenseless unconcious man.
They are no better than the thug they beat. They were Police Officers and should’ve known better.
Don Carne on May 20, 2009 at 8:46 PM
The inconsistency in your argument is that you say he should be charged with a crime, and then accept that the police officers took the verdict and punishment into their own hands.
Police are authorized to used force in order to apprehend suspected criminals. They are not authorized by law to use force to inflict punishment.
Scrappy on May 20, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Not professional. They lost their jobs over something that the perp didn’t even feel, and on camera, too!
OldEnglish on May 20, 2009 at 8:56 PM
On the up side, the guy probably didn’t know he was beaten.
MichiganMatt on May 20, 2009 at 8:58 PM
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