NYT: Pentagon holding back report showing 1 in 7 freed Gitmo detainees returned to terrorism
posted at 6:06 pm on May 20, 2009 by Allahpundit
A compromise from the Times. They went ahead and published this notwithstanding the fact that it’s a crap sandwich for The One, especially at this particular moment in the debate, but they bent over backwards to emphasize that the delay’s all DOD’s fault, not his. So he’s really sort of a victim, you see, even though as C-in-C he could have demanded the report any time he wanted.
Two administration officials who spoke on condition of anonymity said the report was being held up by Defense Department employees fearful of upsetting the White House, at a time when even Congressional Democrats have begun to show misgivings over Mr. Obama’s plan to close Guantánamo…
The report was made available by an administration official sympathetic to its findings who said the delay was creating unnecessary “conspiracy theories” about the holdup…
“If we hold it, then everybody claims it’s political and you’re protecting the Obama administration,” said a [DOD] official, who asked for anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation. “And if we let it go, then everybody says you’re undermining Obama.”…
Among the 74 former prisoners that the report says are again engaged in terrorism, 29 have been identified by name by the Pentagon, including 16 named for the first time in the report. The Pentagon has said that the remaining 45 could not be named because of national security and intelligence-gathering concerns…
The Pentagon has so far provided no way of authenticating its 45 unnamed recidivists, and only a few of the 29 people who are identified by name can be independently verified as having engaged in terrorism since their release. Many of the 29 are simply described as associating with terrorists or training with terrorists, with almost no other details provided.
Seems like an easy solution here: If administration officials already have the report, they could take the decision out of DOD’s hands by releasing it themselves. Which, I suppose, is precisely what they did in essence by leaking it to the Times. Better to push it out there now, while the plan to close Gitmo is momentarily deceased, than to let it linger and go through another clusterfark down the road after it’s resuscitated.
Speaking of clusterfarks, here’s Gibbs at today’s presser making the astonishing admission that the decision to close Guantanamo was “hasty.” Or is he? Geraghty’s bowled over, but my sense is that when Gibbs says “we’ve made some hasty decisions that are now going to take some time to unwind, and closing Guantanamo Bay, obviously, is one of those decisions,” he means America under Bush made a hasty decision in setting up Gitmo (note that this remark immediately follows a critique of the prison) and now The One has to deal with the fallout from that. The alternative is that he’s kneecapping his own boss by saying he acted rashly in fulfilling a campaign promise to order Gitmo shut down right away. Gibbs isn’t that stupid (I think), but you make the call.










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If they were innocent, Obama would let them go. He promised.
myrenovations on May 20, 2009 at 7:01 PM
we don’t know what the 6 in 7 prisoners are doing. sleeper cells look innocent for years. these guys could just be sitting around getting instructions from OBL branded into a goats hide.
we don’t really know.
and if anyone thinks the 6 in 7 didn’t belong there because they haven’t rushed right back out to bomb something—wrong. you sound like some stupid liberal defense atty. that dog does not hunt.
kelley in virginia on May 20, 2009 at 7:01 PM
You are right, very different situations, same lousy result.
AG was more about prisoners being put guarded by kids who were not trained to be prison guards.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 7:01 PM
The other 6 returned to strangelet’s alternate universe. You know the place where everyone just gets along.
chemman on May 20, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Sure, see this link and this link, Ah crap – I also can’t immediately prove that Ted Bundy killed those people. You’re right – let them go. How about your house, you are obviously a kindred soul.
dpierson on May 20, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Well if they weren’t terrorists before we tortured them and unjustly imprisoned them, they sure were by the time they came out.
strangelet on May 20, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Yeah they had it rough. Average weight gain 13 pounds, medical care, dentist, etc. Better than getting your head cut off. Oh wait,that was justified.
faol on May 20, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Well then Obama should release them forthwith in a town near you. Your gripe is with Obama.
ddrintn on May 20, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Wasnt the Pentagon (They didnt want it released as it would upset the Administration)
It was the OBAMA team that leaked this to the NY Times. They wanted to take Gitmo out of the debate.
Obama undercut the left. I love the stench of hypocracy !
William Amos on May 20, 2009 at 7:02 PM
You are creepy.
myrenovations on May 20, 2009 at 7:02 PM
dpierson on May 20, 2009 at 7:00 PM
You must not be aware that the nineteen Islamic primates who committed 911 were innocent goatherders before being kidnapped from their flower shops, brought to Gitmo, tortured and then released without charges.
It’s hard for lefties to understand that sometimes evil savages are just evil savages.
Bishop on May 20, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Wow, that’s probably even better than your average laid-off American.
ddrintn on May 20, 2009 at 7:03 PM
You can provide proof Bundy killed those people, he had a trial and was convicted by a jury of his peers.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Gee, kid, I thought you said he had been “kidnapped”?
Please try again.
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 7:04 PM
Sounds a little like Tokyo Rose.
Disturb the Universe on May 20, 2009 at 7:04 PM
if anyone, and i mean one person in the world, thinks that these 6 out of 7 prisoners are happily sipping coffee in a paris cafe’ or building sand castles in yemen for crippled children with thoughts empty of hatred for israel, the US, capitalism, women who bare arms, rape laws, etc, etc, then you are an idiot.
kelley in virginia on May 20, 2009 at 7:04 PM
You balked at the ACLU article so I went to the horses mouth He was really there and released. Held without charge or explanation. Go read up on the story, whatever source you want.
If Gitmo only houses the hard core, why has the US released so many of them? Doesn’t that seem suspicious? You don’t see a lot of people leaving our Supermax facilities.
jonknee on May 20, 2009 at 7:05 PM
They are likely coming to a town near me, I dont want him now, if they were innocent before, I am sure they would like to kill them a few service people now.
The rednecks would kill them first, well before they get near the base.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Yes because it was a civilian trial. Have you never heard of the police not releasing information because it could harm their ability to catch other prisoners?
dpierson on May 20, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Ya know, if I took on Navy Seals, Army Green Berets or Apache helicopters and lived to tell the tale, I’m not sure I would rush back to try my luck again. I might just lay low and take it easy for a while.
Bishop on May 20, 2009 at 7:06 PM
rednecks! aren’t we terrorists according to the raving beauty & DHS Secy Janet Napolitano?
kelley in virginia on May 20, 2009 at 7:07 PM
But of course.
ddrintn on May 20, 2009 at 7:07 PM
It is funny that some of you claim that liberals are ruled by their emotions (which they absoloutely are) but you let your emotions run wild here.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 7:07 PM
There is a reason that US muslims did not rush to aid their “unjustly attacked” brethren by starting Jihadi Jim games here….
sven10077 on May 20, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Prejudice towards terror suspects is a no-no, but rednecks are fair game. Gotcha. Very humane of you. (Pssst…your mask is slipping.)
ddrintn on May 20, 2009 at 7:08 PM
I say we just do away with this whole Gitmo argument and make the Middle East a giant weenie roast. Who wants mustard on their pork weiner dog?
HornetSting on May 20, 2009 at 7:08 PM
bishop: that’s the entire point, these 6 out of 7 are lying low now. so how can we really tell if they’ve gone back to being terrorists? we can’t.
52% of Americans thought bambi was a great guy, too. we can be fooled.
kelley in virginia on May 20, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Exactly and if all of these people were charged and put on a path to a tribunal, I would accept the decision of said tribunal, just as I accept the verdict in the Bundy case without seeing all of the evidence for myself.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Just give them a printout of your accumulated drivel on this site and you will become their honorary sheik.
dpierson on May 20, 2009 at 7:09 PM
squid, sometimes you just have to err on the side of your own safety. choose: a trial for a terrorist (or not since you say you are not convinced) or your families’ life.
kelley in virginia on May 20, 2009 at 7:10 PM
sven10077 on May 20, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Thats why the Nazi Generals had to convince Hitker it would be impossible to invade the U.S.. All those rednecks have guns Mein
Fuehrer !
faol on May 20, 2009 at 7:11 PM
I never said anything about Prejudice. And if you had worked near Clay County for as long as I have you would know that it is not “Prejudice” it is a statement of fact.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 7:11 PM
DDtrin of course you can pick on redneck bitter clingers….
heck Beijing Billy burned several without a trial and narry a peep….
but don’t look incorrectly at a Koran.
sven10077 on May 20, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Cute, ad hominem will get you far in a debate.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Ironic, isn’t it, that he’s relying on those same rednecks for protection from the terrorists.
Disturb the Universe on May 20, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Maybe the benefits of not charging them outway the cost of doing so. On the other hand they might just be low level terrorists we want to track to see who they go back to.
Look, I don’t claim that a couple of innocent people were not swooped up but I’ll take inconveniencing a couple of them over 3,000 fellow citizens dying any day.
dpierson on May 20, 2009 at 7:13 PM
What do you expect?
I’m a stalker.
strangelet on May 20, 2009 at 7:13 PM
bishop: that’s the entire point, these 6 out of 7 are lying low now. so how can we really tell if they’ve gone back to being terrorists? we can’t.
kelley in virginia on May 20, 2009 at 7:09 PM
You are also obviously deluded.
It’s a fact that prisoners released from prison immediately run across the street to rob the local liquor store, or they beat and kill the taxi driver who picks them up at the gate, or they grab the nearest old lady’s purse and run for it.
Bishop on May 20, 2009 at 7:13 PM
ACLU…Most independent, unbiased source evah
*pukes*
Joe Caps on May 20, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Look jerkoff … why don’t YOU set the policy then? You explain to us how you will prevent men who want nothing more than American men, women and children to die horrible deaths from fulfilling their fantasies.
You preening jackasses would piss in your pants if you had to shoulder the responsibility of protecting an entire nation and it’s people. You pussies have nothing better to do but whine on and on about scumbags. You look for the slightest dent in the armour so you can make your senseless little digs at the people who have done everything in their power to keep your pansie ass safe.
I’m sick of you cowards.
darwin on May 20, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Aww you feeling a little persecuted. Keep reading your own assumptions into what I said.
psst…your insecurity is showing.
if a terrorist or even a GTMO detainee was released in Jacksonville, he would not make it past the airport.
Fact.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Flight school, without learning to land.
Hasty decision, indeed! First day in office, Obama please his “base” by closing the “base”.
OK, so where do we put the
terroristsdetaineesprovocateurs of human disasterspeaceful Koran students?Gee, didn’t think of that. What do YOU think, Congress?
Steve Z on May 20, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Perhaps you have a different word for it, but what do you call snatching someone up and holding them for years without charge? Italy calls it kidnapping, that’s why they are trying to go after the CIA for one of the black ops missions I mentioned:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/06/world/europe/06italy.html
The CIA snatched up an Egyptian citizen in Milan without the knowledge/permission of Italian authorities. It was something right out of the movies–a van rolls up and people in masks hop out and spray chemicals in his face and stuff him into the van.
What do you call that?
jonknee on May 20, 2009 at 7:14 PM
So now all the military is made up of rednecks???
Ha.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 7:15 PM
What do you have against goat herders…calling them names like that.
Bigot.
Joe Caps on May 20, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 7:14 PM
True,
Obama would give him a cab and credit card.
faol on May 20, 2009 at 7:17 PM
The army gets by without needing the Village people to “pump” our self esteem….
it is a fact the leftoids will happily kill us and blanche at killing the nation’s designated opfor….
“know they enemy”
sven10077 on May 20, 2009 at 7:17 PM
So was Monica Lewinsky, at least according to Bill Clinton.
Actually, you and Moanica have a lot in common. DNC kneepads, and something Democrat dripping from both of your chins.
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Italy, probably the most left leaning country in Europe, has a different justice system than ours. Just because one single prosecutor want to make name of himself does not mean that the Italian government has the same position.
What would you do? Wait until the come here so we can properly server them a warrant.
dpierson on May 20, 2009 at 7:17 PM
What do you call that?
jonknee on May 20, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Cool!
faol on May 20, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Why don’t we snatch your ass up and rendition it somewhere?
Yes, the world just revolves around little jonknee. It’s such a perfect little world where if only America followed all the rules of the communist leftist establishment why we wouldn’t be at war with anyone!
You’re clueless.
darwin on May 20, 2009 at 7:18 PM
What do I call the NY Times? Fishwrap.
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 7:18 PM
It was something right out of the movies–a van rolls up and people in masks hop out and spray chemicals in his face and stuff him into the van.
What do you call that?
Special Forces roll into an Iraqi town, dudes in masks jump out, grab a local IED-maker or sniper and bundle him into a Humvee.
What do you call that?
Bishop on May 20, 2009 at 7:19 PM
heh…they forget who/what started rendition and the fact that Ogabe has NOT in all likelihood ended it
sven10077 on May 20, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Cute, I see, because the Army has been doing a bang up job by themselves. That is why there are a bunch of sailors doing their jobs for them in Iraq and Afganistan.
When the naval war with China comes, the Army better be on our ships chipping paint and cooking meals.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 7:19 PM
success….
sven10077 on May 20, 2009 at 7:20 PM
So, the CIA is “evil” when it suits your political agenda (see Phillip Agee) but when you see a chance to smear the other side of the political aisle, CIA people are suddenly honest, stand-up people? (see Valerie Plame).
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 7:21 PM
I apologize, sven, that rant was a result of a very sore spot being hit. It was not warranted, we are all in this together and I should have taken the high road.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 7:22 PM
10th Mountain served the USMC coffee when they landed and “took” Kandahar Intl. Airport
DoD is a nice big team….
my favorite “team” from our past was likely Halsey’s flying circus, that said I didn’t call into doubt your self-esteem until you tried to play third rate Frued w/me….
fact: democrats will happily kill “bitter clingers”
fact: democrats could fill a riverbed with the tears they shed for the Koranimals
all there is to it
sven10077 on May 20, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Screw you – the marines are there because we are rotating troops. Have you ever served in any military function? People like you live in the shadows of patriots serving their country right now while you do nothing but denigrate their actions.
dpierson on May 20, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Good show, Squid. I thought that was a bit harsh, being brothers in arms.
HornetSting on May 20, 2009 at 7:23 PM
No worries the Army/Navy game runs deep.
Sincerely there is no more professional force on the seas than the USN and I am glad they are with us…..
what can I say about you guys needing to help us with our Logistics and combat support mission but “we need more soldiers”?
This is by design Colin Powell essentially hamstrung the regular army during the ’91-’00 drawdown by moving MANY missions to Guard/Reserve only….
were it up to me we’ll return the favor when the Big Blue team needs security and fluvial ground forces…..
sven10077 on May 20, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Have you ever served in any military function? People like you live in the shadows of patriots serving their country right now while you do nothing but denigrate their actions.
dpierson on May 20, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Uh….you might want to understand his screen name better.
Bishop on May 20, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Your total ignorance of US military matters is duly noted.
The increase in Navy people was a drop in the bucket. Less than 10 percent of the total force in theatre are Navy personnel.
And that number was primarily comprised of Naval security people to help with law enforcement, as well as Navy SEALs, and also explosives-disposal experts.
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 7:27 PM
You’re putting words in my mouth and also have no idea what my political agenda is. I do think it’s wrong to go into Italy and kidnap someone only to hold them without charge and end up releasing them. I think the CIA is really good at what they do (I mean they did pull it off after all), but that kind of action should be reserved for extremely high-value targets.
I think Gitmo was a great idea, but it was fouled up because we housed a lot of people there that didn’t belong and didn’t know what to do with them. We still have that problem and there’s no good solution. Being prudent about who we capture in the future could go a long way to prevent future screw ups like this.
jonknee on May 20, 2009 at 7:27 PM
So I must be a redneck if I would stoop to defending a military base against terrorist attacks. LOL
If I told my honest to goodness redneck brother this he would urinate in his pants from laughing so hard.
That delta-9, tetrahydrocannibanol you smoking must have been especially potent today.
Yeah, you can tell I’m a bloody redneck by uncouth language can’t you sonny.
chemman on May 20, 2009 at 7:28 PM
He’s waiting for a Friday evening to let them go.
TMK on May 20, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Heh….there is no deep heat or disrespect for ANY military branch from my end…..
Squid and I were giving love taps….
want to see unity?
The USAF gets away with murder in procurement games….
sven10077 on May 20, 2009 at 7:28 PM
It would have been a success if it were a legitimate target. Kidnapping an innocent man makes everyone’s job more difficult and encourages our enemies.
jonknee on May 20, 2009 at 7:29 PM
I always take the high road, it’s easier to spit on people from there.
2Tru2Tru on May 20, 2009 at 7:29 PM
People go to trial and are convicted before going to Supermax, you moron. Terrorists go to Gitmo and are held there before trial, and then are either released or they stay there.
Give up and go to dKos. I am sure they will be fascinated with your ability to reason.
Joe Caps on May 20, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Your ingnorance of the Navy IA program is also duly noted.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Yes, dear. Whatever you say.
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Sorry my misunderstanding – so must be a leading member of the Roman Catholic Church. Maybe I should make my screen name 11AR
dpierson on May 20, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Your ingnorance of the Navy IA program is also duly noted.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 7:31 PM
anything we do that strikes fear in the opfor is not bad unless the “rage” dwarfs the “second guess” they feel….
I was responding to another example if you’ll reverse engineer the trail.
sven10077 on May 20, 2009 at 7:31 PM
I think the CIA is really good at what they do (I mean they did pull it off after all), but that kind of action should be reserved for extremely high-value targets.
But it’s kidnapping, and the kidnapees will resort to terrorism…or not…whatever, after they are let out.
There could be more, and probably is, than is being scrutinized here. For all we know the people who were grabbed gave up info in exchange for their lives, or they cooperated in their incarceration to make it look “real” to the other bad guys, or they were turned into agents working for us. The possibilities go beyond the simple ones outlined here.
Bishop on May 20, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Except these people aren’t actually charged or tried, just released. Years later in some cases. Yet Bush/Cheney kept saying the only people in Gitmo were the “worst of the worst”. It was a great idea screwed up by poor execution.
jonknee on May 20, 2009 at 7:34 PM
As a veteran of 10 years in the USAF you’ll get no argument from me. I won’t even apologize that we are better at the procurement games than the other lesser (sarc off) branches of the military. As my ex-marine mother-in-law once told me, you at least are an ally. LOL
chemman on May 20, 2009 at 7:35 PM
My apologies if either of you actually served, but I won’t let anyone crap on the Army. The majority of the “boots on the ground” manpower comes from the army. While serving in any branch is admirable, the risk for the front line army troops is much greater than sitting on a ship or flying around in an airplane.
dpierson on May 20, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Our guys grab Iraqis all the time based on tips they get; they don’t always actually see IED’s being emplaced or shots being fired from sniper hides.
US Military: Kidnappers.
Bishop on May 20, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Ex-infantry my wife is active duty with two desert tours, a korea tour and some serious fatigue…I love the army with all my heart….I love our DoD/USCG team with all my heart…grew up at an air base and have been around the machine in various forms 9/10s my life…..
there are phases of patterns of conflict where the sailor and airman bear the brunt of potential harm just as right now the soldier and marine carry the bigger load.
Hang in there fellas we’re all in this together and the new boss does NOT have our organizations’ best interests at heart.
Love and Honor,
sven
sven10077 on May 20, 2009 at 7:40 PM
While serving in any branch is admirable, the risk for the front line army troops is much greater than sitting on a ship or flying around in an airplane.
dpierson on May 20, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Tell that to the men who flew the Schweinfurt raid in October, 1943; nowhere to go but down.
*just doing my part to stir the inter-service rivalry*
Bishop on May 20, 2009 at 7:40 PM
I’m not talking about operations in Iraq. Read the link I posted earlier about the CIA plucking a guy off a city street in Milan. Italy calls it kidnapping. He wasn’t charged and was released. Don’t you see how this could incite anti-American sentiments? Imagine if Saudi Arabia was plucking people off the streets in Miami?
jonknee on May 20, 2009 at 7:44 PM
I just measured a 7.0 quake in the vicinity of my beloved mother-in-laws grave. You just teed her off something fierce since the Marine Corp shock troops have a higher ground casualty rate opening up the beaches for you front line army troops.
As to us wimpy flyboys, that’s why I joined the USAF. My momma taught be better than to get my skinny arse shot off my honest to goodness bullets. :)
chemman on May 20, 2009 at 7:44 PM
Thank you. I am a fourth generation Infantry. My family has served in every war since WWI, always on the ground in the mud and getting shot at. My greatest honor was to continue that tradition and serving my country – not because I had to but because I could. Seeing the libtard weasels at home doing nothing for their country but to denigrate it makes my blood boil.
dpierson on May 20, 2009 at 7:45 PM
I like you style Bishop +100; :)
chemman on May 20, 2009 at 7:46 PM
I have a big heart and consider the Marines honorary Army guys.
Lets divide it like this – combat arms and not. Everyone in the military ultimately has one purpose- to support the Infantry.
dpierson on May 20, 2009 at 7:47 PM
They can thank Hap Arnold and his idea that airpower can win a war.
dpierson on May 20, 2009 at 7:48 PM
They have no rights that require they be “charged” before being detained there. You are confusing terrorists with American Citizens who have rights afforded to them by the U.S. Constitution.
Joe Caps on May 20, 2009 at 7:49 PM
All jesting aside. Thank you and your family for your and their service to this great country. I feel the same about those who have never served in any capacity denigrating this country and those who sacrifice for it.
chemman on May 20, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Nah, just amused by the fact that “redneck” comes to the tongue far more easily than “terrorist”. Jacksonville would be no quicker to kill any of those Ay-rabs than Chicago or Boston.
ddrintn on May 20, 2009 at 7:49 PM
grew up at WPAFB, I was down with the obvious double standards in the game right up until General Jumpers’ male enhancement pill the F-22…..
another story for another time.
sven10077 on May 20, 2009 at 7:51 PM
I’m not talking about operations in Iraq. Read the link I posted earlier about the CIA plucking a guy off a city street in Milan. Italy calls it kidnapping. He wasn’t charged and was released. Don’t you see how this could incite anti-American sentiments? Imagine if Saudi Arabia was plucking people off the streets in Miami?
jonknee on May 20, 2009 at 7:44 PM
I’m talking about Iraq. Why is it kidnapping in Milan but not kidnapping when it’s done in Tikrit? People snatched off the street, bundled into vehicles and driven away? That’s basically how Saddam was taken; dragged from a hole and carted away in the dead of night. Think of the anti-American sentiment….whoa.
Like I said earlier, you have to be willing to think of this beyond the two dimensional, there are quite a number of other scenarios that could have played out as to why this guy in Milan was grabbed.
Bishop on May 20, 2009 at 7:51 PM
Not that! Oh the HUMANITY!
Joe Caps on May 20, 2009 at 7:51 PM
This Gitmo nonsense is so dumb. The easiest, cheapest and simplest solution seems clearly to never closed Gitmo as it is too useful, try the detainees in the military tribunals as planned and ASAP, shoot those most guilty of terrorism ASAP and keep the rest of the dangerous convicted at Gitmo for the rest of their sorry lives.
As for the ridiculous bleeding hearts, they can be allowed to visit regularly to comfort the poor detainees in their cells – maybe to read the Koran to them, esp. the parts about killing the infidel wherever they are found.
Chessplayer on May 20, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Yeah, that’s right. The Democrats have far more contempt for conservatives in this country than they do for anyone in the Islamic world.
ddrintn on May 20, 2009 at 7:54 PM
I will certainly agree with you on that. Air power can soften up a combat theater but only troops on the ground can finish up the battle. That is absence a good Nuke.
chemman on May 20, 2009 at 7:54 PM
They can thank Hap Arnold and his idea that airpower can win a war.
dpierson on May 20, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Or they can see it as it was, a combined-arms approach to starve the German army and end the war. Those ball bearings were being used in the turrets and drive-trains of German tanks and armored vehicles arrayed against the American army.
I have to stick up for for the birdmen and my fellow swabbies.
*stir stir stir*
Bishop on May 20, 2009 at 7:55 PM
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