NYT: Pentagon holding back report showing 1 in 7 freed Gitmo detainees returned to terrorism
posted at 6:06 pm on May 20, 2009 by Allahpundit
A compromise from the Times. They went ahead and published this notwithstanding the fact that it’s a crap sandwich for The One, especially at this particular moment in the debate, but they bent over backwards to emphasize that the delay’s all DOD’s fault, not his. So he’s really sort of a victim, you see, even though as C-in-C he could have demanded the report any time he wanted.
Two administration officials who spoke on condition of anonymity said the report was being held up by Defense Department employees fearful of upsetting the White House, at a time when even Congressional Democrats have begun to show misgivings over Mr. Obama’s plan to close Guantánamo…
The report was made available by an administration official sympathetic to its findings who said the delay was creating unnecessary “conspiracy theories” about the holdup…
“If we hold it, then everybody claims it’s political and you’re protecting the Obama administration,” said a [DOD] official, who asked for anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation. “And if we let it go, then everybody says you’re undermining Obama.”…
Among the 74 former prisoners that the report says are again engaged in terrorism, 29 have been identified by name by the Pentagon, including 16 named for the first time in the report. The Pentagon has said that the remaining 45 could not be named because of national security and intelligence-gathering concerns…
The Pentagon has so far provided no way of authenticating its 45 unnamed recidivists, and only a few of the 29 people who are identified by name can be independently verified as having engaged in terrorism since their release. Many of the 29 are simply described as associating with terrorists or training with terrorists, with almost no other details provided.
Seems like an easy solution here: If administration officials already have the report, they could take the decision out of DOD’s hands by releasing it themselves. Which, I suppose, is precisely what they did in essence by leaking it to the Times. Better to push it out there now, while the plan to close Gitmo is momentarily deceased, than to let it linger and go through another clusterfark down the road after it’s resuscitated.
Speaking of clusterfarks, here’s Gibbs at today’s presser making the astonishing admission that the decision to close Guantanamo was “hasty.” Or is he? Geraghty’s bowled over, but my sense is that when Gibbs says “we’ve made some hasty decisions that are now going to take some time to unwind, and closing Guantanamo Bay, obviously, is one of those decisions,” he means America under Bush made a hasty decision in setting up Gitmo (note that this remark immediately follows a critique of the prison) and now The One has to deal with the fallout from that. The alternative is that he’s kneecapping his own boss by saying he acted rashly in fulfilling a campaign promise to order Gitmo shut down right away. Gibbs isn’t that stupid (I think), but you make the call.










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Gee, what a surprise.
Starlink on May 20, 2009 at 6:07 PM
er uh uh um uh well it depends on what the word “terror” means….
sven10077 on May 20, 2009 at 6:10 PM
Well if they weren’t terrorists before we tortured them and unjustly imprisoned them, they sure were by the time they came out.
strangelet on May 20, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Why did GW let them go anyways?
Weren’t they supposed to be “safe”?
strangelet on May 20, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Trying to unring the bell.
flipflop on May 20, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Yes. Yes, truly this is the universal explanation.
Allahpundit on May 20, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Obligatory: If this was a Republican president…
Karl on May 20, 2009 at 6:13 PM
So those balloon vendors and orphanage workers who were released from Gitmo somehow found their way into the ranks of terrorist groups?
Bishop on May 20, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Indeed….so I suppose you’d say the same had the surviving Davidians decided to go Jihad yes?
sven10077 on May 20, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Are you being intentionally obtuse? If not, leave.
darwin on May 20, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Oh, I know. I call it the “JetBlue effect.” (Or “air travel effect.” JetBlue’s been exceedingly good to me.)
emailnuevo on May 20, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Well if they weren’t terrorists before we tortured them and unjustly imprisoned them, they sure were by the time they came out.
That explains why so many military veterans, many who were “tortured” and “unjustly imprisoned”, have become terrorists after their discharge.
Bishop on May 20, 2009 at 6:18 PM
One in seven? I would have thought more would return to terrorism. What are the others doing, law school?
boko fittleworth on May 20, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Or went to terrorism for the first time…
It is like kids from the ghetto, they get out and they have cred instead of being shamed.
The schmuckatellis who got turned in for cash will run be all about killing some pork eaters now.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 6:19 PM
“recoil”
sven10077 on May 20, 2009 at 6:20 PM
You mean we’re not releasing them with those ear clip thingies that we put on deer and bear so that we can monitor their migration?
myrenovations on May 20, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Yes, because we have a habit of picking up innocent people, reviewing their detention cases, and then keeping them on the taxpayer-subsidization role for years. Why, Mahmoud was just picking up a pizza when we pulled him over in Afghanistan…in a car packed with explosives and carrying AQ communications.
amerpundit on May 20, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Well obviously The One needs to turn on the ‘cool’ charm and persuade these individuals of the error of their ways. I’m sure they’ll come away loving America, just like the Euro’s.
GarandFan on May 20, 2009 at 6:21 PM
The most important thing to remember here is that the Bush admin’s screwed-up policies got us here. If they had a coherent approach to figuring out which of these detainees was actually a danger, then this wouldnt have happened. But they didnt know what they were doing, so they let dangerous people go free.
But let’s not lose sight of the fact that if 1 in 7 is a terrorist, that means 6 in 7 are not. That is clear evidence that we did a lousy job of rounding up the bad guys.
While the timing isnt great for Obama, this mostly just makes Bush look bad.
orange on May 20, 2009 at 6:21 PM
I am sure he is referring to the kid in Iraq who happened to be running from a bombing site and got scooped up and given the “Lindie England” treatment. I am sure he thinks Americans are just super now.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Apparently that’s the case for 6 out of every 7 we’ve released.
orange on May 20, 2009 at 6:23 PM
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH! XD
That’s amazing! hahahahahah XD That’s … seriously man, you should go on the Daily Show, they’d love you there.
Reminds me of Shawshank Redemption, when the fat guy is getting hauled into his cell, he yells out, “I don’t belong here!”
And immediately someone else yells out, “Nobody belongs here! That’s why it’s a f**king prison!“
apollyonbob on May 20, 2009 at 6:23 PM
It was a Republican president that mistakenly picked up 6 out of 7, then mistakenly released 1 out of 7.
orange on May 20, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Strangelet seems to have the same infantile thought processes and childish vocabulary as our dearly departed getalife. On the other hand, all trolls sound alike to me. Just ignore them.
Fortunata on May 20, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Those arent the ones we are talking about, we are talking about Mahmoud the goat herder whos brother ran off to join the Taliban and was turned in by a guy in the next villiage who wants to get him off his herding lands.
That guy.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Two trolls manning this thread?
Must be a sore spot.
myrenovations on May 20, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Yes. Yes, truly this is the universal explanation.
Allahpundit on May 20, 2009 at 6:13 PM
/puts out tongue at Allahp
I guess I’m surprised it was only 1 in 7.
Remember, three of them hung themselves rather than be tortured anymore.
strangelet on May 20, 2009 at 6:24 PM
So if a person we’ve jailed doesn’t return to a life of crime, risking re-imprisonment, that means he wasn’t guilty to begin with? Because someone doesn’t feel like returning to Gitmo or facing a hellfire missle doesn’t mean he was simply picking up pizzas at the time.
amerpundit on May 20, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Of course that must mean I am safe, I keep kosher :)
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 6:25 PM
it is a stupid article to begin with.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 6:26 PM
How much does the DNC pay you?
CWforFreedom on May 20, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Hahahahahah oh man you keep going! XD Yeah, those guys certainly weren’t suicidal before we captured them.
You’re rich man :D Do you stand up, or do you perfer to disparage our men and women in uniform anonymously?
apollyonbob on May 20, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Trolls………..
…….. squirming like the Obama Administration.
You just gotta’ love it…!
Seven Percent Solution on May 20, 2009 at 6:28 PM
You’re a liar. Either provide proof or get the hell out.
In fact why don’t you just leave now? You contribute nothing but gibberish and lies anyway.
Beat it.
darwin on May 20, 2009 at 6:28 PM
The other 6 are in Saudi Arabia’s club jihad for rehabilitation.
William Amos on May 20, 2009 at 6:30 PM
You mean the same group of people who sought to blow themselves up in the name of jihad prior to their imprisonment? Clearly they were stable, reasonable people who we damaged.
I’d also remind you that prisoners in our domestic system kill themselves far too often. It’s not the result of waterboarding.
amerpundit on May 20, 2009 at 6:30 PM
I listened to it the first time Robert Gibbs the President wants to close Gitmo the Congress won’t let him…how convienent. The Democrat Congress won’t let the Democrat President close Gitmo it’s almost like they had a plan from the beginning…naw who ever heard of political shenanigans promising their base something then sabotaging the outcome.
Leftys are so easy, no really, I heard they will put out for anyone :)
Dr Evil on May 20, 2009 at 6:30 PM
The other six sevenths are verifiably NOT involved in terrorism, or just haven’t been caught yet? I’m going with door #2.
TexasDan on May 20, 2009 at 6:32 PM
When has Gibbs been in the habit of using “we” to refer to anything done under the Bush Administration? No, they’ve been very overt in blaming everything on him by name.
CDeb on May 20, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Lucky for Bush I guess that Obama hasn’t let the world know that GW released terrorists. Though who knows if they were terrorists before Gitmo, if you kidnapped me and held me without charge in another country for years, I’d probably be pretty pissed at my captors too.
jonknee on May 20, 2009 at 6:33 PM
1 in 7 odds are only slightly better than Russian Roulette (played with a six-shooter).
Ruminate on that.
The Monster on May 20, 2009 at 6:34 PM
As I recall, your friends at the ACLU had something to do with that…
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Yeah. Who knows? Nobody does. Nobody can, or will, ever. There couldn’t possibly exist any direct, DNA or fingerprinting evidence htat ties these men to terrorist activities.
And so it shall be a mystery.
Forever.
apollyonbob on May 20, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Where was your proof that any of those people planned to blow themselves up…
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 6:36 PM
The Saudi Gitmo rehab program
William Amos on May 20, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Also, what’s the reoffender rate for felons in the US? I’d be shocked if it was a lot less than 16%. If these are the “worst of the worst” isn’t it pretty amazing that 84% go on to not re-offend?
jonknee on May 20, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Where was the proof that the real motivation for their suicide was to prevent further “torture”, rather than similar reasons to the prisoners who kill themselves in our prisons?
amerpundit on May 20, 2009 at 6:37 PM
You must sleep well, you lie easily.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-10-guantanamo-suicides_x.htm
Money quotes:
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Because someone doesn’t feel like returning to Gitmo or facing a hellfire missle doesn’t mean he was simply picking up pizzas at the time.
Seeing your pals incinerated after being hit by a missile that came out of nowhere may have been a transforming experience for them.
Bishop on May 20, 2009 at 6:38 PM
If there’s no evidence of wrong doing, it’s appalling that they were detained for years on end. Criminal even, when citizens do that it’s called false imprisonment.
jonknee on May 20, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Yes. Gibbs is that stupid.
XWing5 on May 20, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Thank you.
amerpundit on May 20, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Something like 500 prisoners a year kill themselves. None were waterboarded.
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 6:41 PM
God doesn’t exist because nobody’s ever seen him, but Gibbs’ intelligence might exist even though nobody’s ever seen it. Whatevs.
Jim Treacher on May 20, 2009 at 6:41 PM
if you kidnapped me and held me without charge in another country for years, I’d probably be pretty pissed at my captors too.
Kidnapped. Hehehehe…man, threads don’t get any better than this.
Bishop on May 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM
And the other 6 turned to modern dance.
Chuck Schick on May 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM
This is not a surprise.
ladyingray on May 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Special Report – with the HAMMER – is discussing this right now…
ladyingray on May 20, 2009 at 6:43 PM
There’s a good girl…! Who’s a good girl…? Sit! Beeeggg…Roll over!
bluelightbrigade on May 20, 2009 at 6:43 PM
So they’re terrorists now? Does that mean we can execute them?
gwelf on May 20, 2009 at 6:43 PM
If there’s no evidence of wrong doing, it’s appalling that they were detained for years on end. Criminal even, when citizens do that it’s called false imprisonment.
Yah, all those German soldiers captured during WWII; I can’t believe they were “detained” for years on end even without proof they had actually committed any “wrong doing”.
Hint: They aren’t our citizens.
Bishop on May 20, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Sounds to me like this Administration doesn’t know the first thing about taking responsibility for one’s actions.
/Democrat.
bluelightbrigade on May 20, 2009 at 6:44 PM
My point being that I am virtually certain that there are people held in GTMO that are not terrorists or anything but tangentially connected to AQ. If I were one of those poor bastards, given no recourse and no hearing to know the charges against me I would probably kill myself too.
If was that same guy and freed, I would probably be out to kill some american right quick too.
Of course they could also be hardened terrorists from the beginning.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 6:45 PM
I guess that’s why so many POWs like John McCain became terrorists when they were released.
/
Disturb the Universe on May 20, 2009 at 6:45 PM
So you have proof? If not retract this statement and admit your careless douchebaggery.
Chuck Schick on May 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM
You are an idiot but whatever dries the tears, darlin’, whatever dries the tears.
ladyingray on May 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM
I know it’s hard to believe, but the US went into foreign countries and took people in the middle of the night. Black ops, their families had no idea what happened. The US held these people for years and then sometimes released them. All without a formal charge. That’s textbook kidnapping. Here’s an example:
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/torture/29921res20070530.html
jonknee on May 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM
McCain, Day, Swindle and Stockdale were well educated pilots trained to resist torture who knew of the possibility to becoming POW’s. Not some schmuck goat herder.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 6:47 PM
You DON’T EFFIN’ SAY. Terrorists being terrorists. Hmmm.
The transparency of this administration is really cloudy.
HornetSting on May 20, 2009 at 6:48 PM
So you totally understand why we’ve been trying to kill and capture alQeda since they murdered 3,000 of us in a single morning?
myrenovations on May 20, 2009 at 6:49 PM
LOL, quoting an anti-American source (ACLU) won’t work here.
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 6:49 PM
Except that, as you saw in Del Dolemonte’s quote, they weren’t some schmuck picked off the street that killed themselves. And, again, we have prisoners who do have the opportunity to defend themselves and have plenty of recourse killing themselves.
I’d be staying the hell away from Americans. You know, rather than murdering them so they’re coming after me to kill me. There’s definitely no trial in that scenario.
Indeed.
amerpundit on May 20, 2009 at 6:49 PM
No one is arguing KSM belongs there, and we have evidence and have charged him. That is the right way to do it, if it had not taken 4 years to do it the right way, we would not be in the catch-22 we are in now.
The idea of GTMO is legally sound, we boned it up so bad in the inception, though we are screwed, with no where to send the really bad guys.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 6:50 PM
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Most of those “schmuck goat herders” attended terrorist training camps. Perhaps they should start training them in “torture resistance.”
Don’t play the game boys if you can’t handle the consequences.
Disturb the Universe on May 20, 2009 at 6:50 PM
Fixed.
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 6:50 PM
That makes no sense. So a professional won’t become a terrorist if tortured but a schmuck goater will.
Hmmmmmmmm … What’s really weird is McCain and company really got tortured, you know, the real thing … not just loud music or 20 seconds of waterboarding and yet, they didn’t become terrorists.
Maybe the Hubble with it’s new camera will discover the answer to this mystery.
darwin on May 20, 2009 at 6:51 PM
No shite Sherlock, what does that have to do with the price of tea in china?
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 6:51 PM
An ACLU link is your proof?
he he
he hehehe
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chuck Schick on May 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Captured al Qaeda training manuals show that in fact one of their standard operating procedures is to falsely claim they have been tortured.
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Look, Allah is agreeing with himself.
HornetSting on May 20, 2009 at 6:53 PM
Your biases are letting you be deceived then. Bisher al-Rawi is well known, his story isn’t only covered by the ACLU. Even the US government admits he was held in Gitmo:
http://www.dod.mil/news/May2006/d20060515%20List.pdf
jonknee on May 20, 2009 at 6:53 PM
Do their training manuals also describe how they can fake photos of the torture and have them be placed in possession of the DoD?
jonknee on May 20, 2009 at 6:54 PM
I was under the impression that only mid level or higer Al Qaeda were sent to Gitmo.
The low level smucks never went they were kept at Baghram.
William Amos on May 20, 2009 at 6:54 PM
I know. Good point. Tell that to the Squid.
Disturb the Universe on May 20, 2009 at 6:54 PM
Yes, he is.
However, strangelet beats him, easily.
Schadenfreude on May 20, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Gitmo detainee returns to terrorism, you said you understood why he would.
We’re killing people and putting others in Gitmo ’cause they killed a bunch of innocent people.
Just wanted to see if you extended the same understanding.
myrenovations on May 20, 2009 at 6:55 PM
ACLU? Really? How about I come in quoting Free Republic as a factual and reliable source? The ACLU was calling for Nixon’s impeachment before it was even clear that he had done anything. It has dedicated its time to making sure Neo-Nazis can hold organized protests in Jewish-majority towns. It rushes in to make sure illegal aliens can continue evading the law.
Shall we review its founders? Crystal Eastman, the self-described socialist? Roger Nash Baldwin, the man who visited the Soviet Union and concluded that liberties were alive and well there, even becoming a member of Communist groups?
amerpundit on May 20, 2009 at 6:56 PM
I see the trolls came out, must have been the Palin thread. Now, they’re all here.
HornetSting on May 20, 2009 at 6:56 PM
jonknee on May 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM
So when US forces swooped-in and took Saddam in the middle of the night, that was textbook kidnapping? Just wondering because I’m sure the other guys who were grabbed were chosen randomly.
Bishop on May 20, 2009 at 6:56 PM
This is dangerous territory for Obama. The public can smell a weakling a mile away.
ddrintn on May 20, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Wow. Didn’t take long to go from “kidnapped” to “held” in Guantanamo, now did it?
And I like how one accusation of kidnapping becomes a fact for all 240+ detainees.
You modern day hippies are just awful at what you do.
What ever happened to the pride?
Chuck Schick on May 20, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Good Greif that was Abu Girahb NOT Gitmo
Stop being stupid.
William Amos on May 20, 2009 at 6:59 PM
Please provide proof that every person in GTMO has participated in or planned 9/11 or other terrorist attacks.
Squid Shark on May 20, 2009 at 6:59 PM
Just like everyone in prison is innocent everyone in Gitmo is just a poor goat herder and was innocent, if not then – well we made them into terrorists because we killed their murdering terrorist brother – give me a break.
dpierson on May 20, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Wow, DOD is leaking already. The One must not be too popular over there.
PattyJ on May 20, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Maybe we just didn’t have enough evidence to justify prosecuting them. You know, we wouldn’t want to violate their “rights.”
The trolls are out in numbers tonight!
Joe Caps on May 20, 2009 at 7:00 PM
No, that would be covered in the Democrats’ BDS Training Manuals.
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Allah baby…..they hate you, you know.
You are just one of those pointy headed elites to them.
Are you tired of pretending to be Ed?
Its wearing on you, I can see it.
‘Membah when we used to make up late night haiku about feminists, Glenn Reynolds ears and Kate Bekinsale’s leather catsuit?
Come to the darkside….you know you want to.
Its where you belong.
;)
strangelet on May 20, 2009 at 7:01 PM
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