Democrats close national security gap, follow evil Bush policies; Update: Obama schedules speech to upstage Cheney?
posted at 2:28 pm on May 20, 2009 by Karl
The Democrat-affiliated Democracy Corps has a new poll purporting to show that Pres. Obama polls higher on national security than his overall job approval, and that Democrats have drawn about even with Republicans on national security and the war on terrorism. Left-leaning pundits like TIME’s Joe Klein exult:
[W]e should not underestimate the significance here: Obama is trying to do something far more complicated and sophisticated than Bush–comprehensive diplomacy takes time and great skill. It doesn’t have the immediate satisfactions of a bang-bang, three-week rush to Baghdad (although the successfully kinetic anti-pirate operation may have something to do with this level of approval).
Diplomacy does take time, but Obama has little to show for his efforts to date. On issues as diverse as the global recession, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, Europe and NATO have almost entirely rejected Obama’s agenda. Israel is at loggerheads with the current administration. Obama’s call for a world without nukes was met with a North Korean missile test. His outstretched hand to the mullahs running Iran has been met with another missile test. And unstable Pakistan is rapidly adding to its nuclear arsenal.
So what is there for voters to like about Obama and the Democrats on national security and the war, if not diplomacy?
How about the fact that — as Jack Goldsmith points out at The New Republic — with a few minor exceptions, Obama has embraced eleven essential elements of fmr. Pres. Bush’s approach to counterterrorism policy? Internet sock-puppeteer and ideologue Glenn Greenwald sums it up from a lefty perspective:
Just consider some of Goldsmith’s examples: Obama makes a melodramatic showing of ordering Guantanamo closed but then re-creates its systematic denial of detainee rights in Bagram, and “[l]ast month Secretary of Defense Gates hinted that up to 100 suspected terrorists would be detained without trial.” Obama announces that all interrogations must comply with the Army Field Manual but then has his CIA Director announce that he will seek greater interrogation authority whenever it is needed and convenes a task force to determine which enhanced interrogation methods beyond the Field Manual should be authorized. He railed against Bush’s Guantanamo military commissions but then preserved them with changes that are plainly cosmetic.
Obama has been at least as aggressive as Bush was in asserting radical secrecy doctrines in order to prevent courts from ruling on illegal torture and spying programs and to block victims from having a day in court. He has continued and even “ramped up” so-called “targeted killings” in Pakistan and Afghanistan which, as Goldsmith puts it, “have predictably caused more collateral damage to innocent civilians.” He has maintained not only Bush’s rendition policy but also the standard used to determine to which countries a suspect can be rendered, and has kept Bush’s domestic surveillance policies in place and unchanged. Most of all, he has emphatically endorsed the Bush/Cheney paradigm that we are engaged in a “war” against Terrorists — with all of the accompanying presidential “war powers” — rather than the law enforcement challenge that John Kerry, among others, advocated.
Meanwhile, Senate Democrats are blocking the relocation of detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Partisan hacks like Joe Klein — as opposed to ideologues like Greenwald — may want to consider exactly what it is voters like about Obama and the Democrats on national security these days. Moreover, in the longer-term, voters may come to recognize that the Democrats and their lapdog media were playing politics with our national security during the Bush administration. The public may be willing to overlook that during times of safety, but if the Democrats falter, it may well haunt them.
Update (AP): The Senate vote on Gitmo went off as expected after Karl posted this. 90-6, with not even Russ Feingold in opposition. Meanwhile, in a case that’ll probably end up in the Supreme Court with Anthony Kennedy breaking our hearts yet again, a federal district judge gave The One some breathing room on Gitmo by ruling that some detainees can indeed be held indefinitely without charges. I confess, I’m not sure why Supermax is safe enough to hold someone as dangerous as Ramzi Yousef but not safe enough to hold KSM or Abu Zubaydah, but the head of the FBI told Congress today the idea of transferring them worries him. (“Mueller [noted] that in some instances imprisoned gang leaders have run their gangs from inside prisons.”)
Lest you doubt that Karl’s right and that the GOP’s winning this debate — resoundingly — note that Cheney’s been scheduled for weeks to address AEI at 10:45 tomorrow morning about national security. And now, as Goldfarb notes, suddenly The One’s scheduled to give a national security speech of his own at 10:10. Fancy that.
Update (AP): Again via Goldfarb, AEI states the obvious about a dazzling coincidence:
The announcement of the former Veep’s address went out officially from AEI on May 12, though he had been asked to give a talk a couple of weeks before. (We asked him because this is one of the most important national security issues of the day, and AEI is committed to informing and prompting a public debate consisting of more than sound bites.) President Obama’s speech was announced today. What do we think? 1) The Obama White House runs the savviest information ops of any White House in modern history. This is all about rebutting an increasingly effective exponent of aggressive counterterrorism policies. 2) Why do it? The simple answer is that the public is listening to Cheney on the issues, and if the Democratic Congress’s decision this week to deny funding to close Gitmo is any indication, finger-in-the-wind politicians are listening, too.
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Maybe Joe Klein could understand better if he was in a wheelchair…
DCJeff on May 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM
pathetically transparent.
homesickamerican on May 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Well , he promised transparency.
the_nile on May 20, 2009 at 2:34 PM
This kind of scheduling should make for the perfect opportunity to do a compare and contrast, if the media can find it within their perview to do so.
myrenovations on May 20, 2009 at 2:34 PM
I will watch or listen to VP Cheney, I mute bho every time he is on the tube.
L
letget on May 20, 2009 at 2:35 PM
I hope the president releases his remarks ahead of schedule as usual so that Mr. Cheney can answer them.
Cindy Munford on May 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM
I assume Harry Reid’s no vote was a procedural measure.
SteveMG on May 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM
I know whose speech I’d rather listen to.
capejasmine on May 20, 2009 at 2:37 PM
good point!
homesickamerican on May 20, 2009 at 2:37 PM
So, even though President Obama is doing the same things President Bush was doing, he is better and smarter than Bush. That there is some Joe Klein style nuance.
mchristian on May 20, 2009 at 2:38 PM
It looks like Obama was told no. He isn’t used to that. will he do a chavez and fire Congress?
seven on May 20, 2009 at 2:38 PM
If’n I were Cheney, and AEI, I’d move the speech to the afternoon…
Watch Bambi’s speech… then let Cheney demolish it.
Kinda like the Opposing view they always give the other party after the State of the Union Address…
Romeo13 on May 20, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Cheney’s cousin is a jerk.
portlandon on May 20, 2009 at 2:40 PM
I’m surprised Giggles didn’t move his to prime time the night before. Giggles sure loves to be on TV.
crazy_legs on May 20, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Cheney’s da man! Go Dick! give a speech, tear the False Messiah to shreds. Have you ever seen a President act like a frat boy jerk like this one? He can’t take criticism at all. Go Dick, give him hell!
promachus on May 20, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Joe Klein has always been a fiction author, no biggie with his tripe.
And Bambi reacting to a former VP, who happens to be right – then and now lets us know how worried and out of control his entire administration is.
Bambi will use catchy phrases, cliches and teleprompter jargon to appear “serious”, akin to 99.8% of every speech he makes. Nothing new.
Odie1941 on May 20, 2009 at 2:47 PM
This is my bet for the MSM’s job of comparing and contrasting Obama:
Oh! Oh! Oh! Obama!
Can we be enchanted?
Yes we can!
[Note the lack of any reference to _______.]
Loxodonta on May 20, 2009 at 2:47 PM
I would love it if Cheney and AEI delayed his speech and press conference until after Obama talks. Then Cheney can use his speech to address Obama’s points. Chaney is so good on these issues that he could probably revise his speech on the fly to rebut Obama. People forget that, while Bush was terrible at defending his decisions, Chaney was excellent. Just go back and look at Chaney defeat John Edwards (a very skilled attorney) during thier debate.
RedSoxNation on May 20, 2009 at 2:47 PM
I’m sure Obama’s comments will only last a few minutes, and won’t interrupt Cheney’s.
jk!
hawksruleva on May 20, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Will watch Cheney – I trust his judgment & admire his ballsy integrity during this dark time in America. I cannot watch obooba anymore; his face and voice literally make my stomach hurt.
Ris4victory on May 20, 2009 at 2:49 PM
But we always have to wait and see how Obama’s remarks will be revised and amended by TOTUS.
Loxodonta on May 20, 2009 at 2:49 PM
He couldn’t… it would interupt the American Idol final…
and he caught too much flack for doing it to a regular show last time…
Romeo13 on May 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM
You might want to get that checked out before July 31st.
myrenovations on May 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Worse. O’Bammbi led the Palestinians to believe that any peace deal includes at least a part of Jerusalem.
Maybe, Ramzi doesn’t have what it takes to be a shot caller inside or outside prison and the other guys do? Or, maybe, Ramzi has seen the light?
Blake on May 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM
far more complicated and sophisticated than Bush–more Fascism than you can swallow in sips.
comprehensive diplomacy takes time and great skill.–YES, which is EXACTLY what Bush did from day one. Give credit where credit is due, Obiboy. The Democrat tactic to denounce all the diplomacy and negotiations while occurring, then pretend no negotiations ever occurred, then laud the newbe for his grotesque sabotage of American citizens and of ALL our allies. Great skills doing the worst job ever, Obama.
maverick muse on May 20, 2009 at 2:51 PM
That’s a smart (and totally classless) move by the White House. Even if AEI and Cheney moved the speech up to say 9:30, the media would ignore it or else say that it was Cheney who pulled some stunt to try and get air time.
BadgerHawk on May 20, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Judges must follow law, and we have a law stating that we cannot house terrorists. So I think that’s the judicial issue. It’s quite clear.
Obama will not be able to hide behind the bad-Bush justice system.
He’ll actually have to make a decision. :)
AnninCA on May 20, 2009 at 2:52 PM
The Bush Administration conducted a ton of diplomacy. What are they talking about? Not that it was successful, but it was attempted. Also, diplomatic success is not measured by how much you give in to the enemy.
CP on May 20, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Yep.
maverick muse on May 20, 2009 at 2:52 PM
I believe at least CBS and ABC have said they wouldn’t hold Bambi’s water during Prime Time anymore – after seeing “Lie to Me” on Fox killing Bambi in the ratings…
I also believe the recent “business execs not happy with Obama” would ensure he doesn’t get another money losing freebie. Its their ads getting killed and the networks losing revenue.
Odie1941 on May 20, 2009 at 2:53 PM
I’m surprised Giggles didn’t move his to prime time the night before. Giggles sure loves to be on TV.crazy_legs on May 20, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Sorry Cindy – wrong quote in last post, meant to paste this one.
Odie1941 on May 20, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Childish behavior from the boy-president.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on May 20, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Ok, 2 strikes – one to go… damn me…
Odie1941 on May 20, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Someone line Cheney up for a heart transplant. We’ll need him 2012.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on May 20, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Joe Klein: [W]e should not underestimate the significance here: Obama is trying to do something far more complicated and sophisticated than Bush–comprehensive diplomacy takes time and great skill. It doesn’t have the immediate satisfactions of a bang-bang, three-week rush to Baghdad (although the successfully kinetic anti-pirate operation may have something to do with this level of approval).
It only took Obama a matter of seconds to bow down on bended knee before a foreign potentate. How much longer do we have to wait for results? Maybe until after a foreign policy fiasco and the MSM have to start admitting to all the gaffes and danger signals they spiked, buried or rationalized away?
Loxodonta on May 20, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Only in alternative universe 101B would this occur. But nice dream anyway
chemman on May 20, 2009 at 2:57 PM
What, obama is going to be on television? I haven’t seen him in, oh, about ten minutes.
Get to work, loser and get off the damn televsion. We all know you can’t put a sentence together without TOTUS.
HornetSting on May 20, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Mark Penn wrote a very good editorial to Pelosi today. Find it on Politico.
He pointed out that Pelosi’s attack on the CIA is in opposition to Obama’s decisions.
Good read, for those interested.
AnninCA on May 20, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Ok, 2 strikes – one to go… damn me…Odie1941 on May 20, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Loxodonta on May 20, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Those GOP members who criticized Cheney, saying he needed to shut up, sure don’t have their finger on my pulse anyway. I never viewed Cheney as much other than a buffoon. I still don’t agree totally.
But I definitely have tuned in. I trust past politicians far more than those still in the running. They have zip to lose.
And they are always very frank. Agree or disagree, that’s OK.
But they aren’t “nuancing” crud.
AnninCA on May 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM
I’m not sure that judges who legislate from the bench are following law, but rather, changing or enacting the law by judicial precedent. THAT is what conservatives have against liberal judges, going TOO FAR and dissolving Constitutional law for their newer revised opinion of what ought to be written.
What law is on the books stating that we cannot house terrorists? We ARE housing terrorists at Gitmo that we have now STILL for $6K/year at our disposal since the 20th Century began (1906?).
Obama IS still hiding behind the Bad-Bush whipping boy and always will fall back on that excuse BECAUSE his supporters will NEVER let go of that mantra.
Liberals are no longer rational creatures. If they were, they would never have progressed from moderate Classical Liberalism into anti-Constitutional Marxist/Alinsky radical deconstruction.
maverick muse on May 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM
oh-a socialist poll… now nice… it’s CRAP
NRA Lifer on May 20, 2009 at 3:03 PM
What was all this crap we’ve been told by “GOP insiders” that Cheney is hurting the GOP?
Sounds like the “Donk insiders” believe Cheney is hurting the donks.
Blake on May 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM
I don’t know why the Administration gave Cheney such a wide berth if this was a planned pre-emption, because it opens up a golden opportunity for Cheney to have a rebuttal if the AEI event runs late. Contrary to what AEI is saying, if Obama intended for this to happen, the move isn’t savvy at all. Better to talk Cheney up as a response with the (temporarily) last word.
Patrick on May 20, 2009 at 3:05 PM
You beat me to it!
Blake on May 20, 2009 at 3:06 PM
Your definition of buffoon must not be the generally accepted definition.
Or you aren’t using it properly in a sentence.
myrenovations on May 20, 2009 at 3:06 PM
Yeah, he’s trying to make it look like he’s not doing what he’s doing. That does tend to complicate things. Bush just went ahead and did it.
Jim Treacher on May 20, 2009 at 3:06 PM
I think it is pretty standard procedure to release a copy of the president’s remarks to the media ahead of the actual speech. I will be interested if that is still the case. Or maybe the president will just try to out conservative Mr. Cheney. These games are so fun to watch but the tickets are awfully expensive.
Cindy Munford on May 20, 2009 at 3:07 PM
Good grief, if that were grounds to stop posting I would be in deep stuff.
Cindy Munford on May 20, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Well, he is hurting the inside the Beltway Moderate GOP…. you know the ones who want to be Bipartisan?
Cause he’s making em look bad… fighting the fight they won’t engage in…
There are two ways to win a fight… Beat your opponent… or get him not to fight in the first place…
Cheney is fighting… GOP is rolling on its back like a whipped puppy.
Romeo13 on May 20, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Hahaha! Monica Crawley says Cheney is still running the country. :)
Blake on May 20, 2009 at 3:10 PM
I thought that Oldie 1941 was mocking you. ; )
thomasaur on May 20, 2009 at 3:12 PM
TOTUS screening in…..
Heh.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on May 20, 2009 at 3:16 PM
It was always about politics.
When Bush’s approval ratings hit 90%, and then in the off year election the GOP gained seats and there was talk of “Permanent Majority” the Dems/MSM freaked out basically.
jp on May 20, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Cindy Munford on May 20, 2009 at 3:16 PM
To consider Cheney a buffoon requires ignorance of the man and an opinion based purely upon what the media buzzes.
We learn from our mistakes not to “trust” anything we haven’t studied.
Cheney’s brilliance is exactly what unnerves the liberals–they have no such skills in their ranks, so all they can do is berate and hate out of irrational bitter antipathy those who love this country.
I wasn’t INTO politics before Bush was elected so much as desiring lower taxes, as Clinton smeared blue collar Americans with over 30% tax rate, and I truly resented what he did to religious people, painting them into a corner and burning them along with whatever evidence, then churning out the media propaganda “whacko” job. My colleagues hated Bush and were rabid about Cheney. I had no opinion why until I heard Cheney interviewed. Reporters/journalists HATE being manipulated back into their juvenile pigeon holes of inadequacy. And the intelligentsia hate acknowledging their peabrain status all the worse for wear.
Here’s a challenge, Obama debate Cheney, or if that’s too rough for Obama to take, then Obama debate Gingrich, or debate Condi Rice. NO TELEPROMTERS, no ear pieces.
maverick muse on May 20, 2009 at 3:18 PM
I actually smiled and thought of you when it came up. : 0
thomasaur on May 20, 2009 at 3:19 PM
I don’t know what law you speak of. But perhaps some of the activist judges that are eager to free terrorists would happily sponsor this poor misunderstood individuals, and give them room and board at their homes?
hawksruleva on May 20, 2009 at 3:19 PM
When the rubber hits the road Obama knows that Bush’s policies were right and that they work. Glad to see he’s keeping so many of them in use. But it really highlights his disingenuousness to pander to lefty Bush hatred when campaining on the “failed Bush policies” schtick when he knew those policies would be continued under his administration.
Scrappy on May 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Agreed, Mr. Cheney was a deal maker for me in 2000.
Cindy Munford on May 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM
who among you loves his country enough to donate your heart today for dick cheney?
kelley in virginia on May 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM
AnninCA, I’d say Cheney is anything but buffoonish. At least the supervillain meme pays some tribute to the guy’s intelligence.
DrSteve on May 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM
i voted for bush in 2000 (well i was going to anyway) mainly for cheney. any cheney.
kelley in virginia on May 20, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Obama speaking on the same issue at the same time. That right there tells us that Cheney is winning or already has won this debate. I want all the GOP pundits and congress critters to kindly STFU now about Dick Cheney. He is handing them a red meat issue and they are too stupid to get their heads outta their *sses and take it!
JAM on May 20, 2009 at 3:30 PM
ah I thought this was Jimmy Carter’s 2nd term not Bill Clinton’s 2nd term. What are these polls you refer to, and who was polled? And by whose authority do they get to rule the country?
Dr Evil on May 20, 2009 at 3:34 PM
How does following in big daddy Bush’s footsteps and adopting his policies make Obama more “sophisticated” than Bush.
This reminds me of the La Times article explaining how Obama’s breaking of so many campaign promises and telling out right lies makes him “Pragmatic” but Bush keeping his word makes him “stubborn” and without “vision”.
Could liberals be any more pathetic in their ignorant pretzel logic and butt covering for Obama.
Baxter Greene on May 20, 2009 at 3:35 PM
You know………..
……… dredging up that video of Mr. Obama signing his Executive Order closing Club Gitmo with that smug look on his face,
and the press fiasco where they didn’t have an answer to “what are you going to do with the detainees”……..
…….. might be a good idea right about now.
Seven Percent Solution on May 20, 2009 at 3:39 PM
It’s all about how you package it. Dems have become masters of putting crappy products in great packaging.
Scrappy on May 20, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Interesting that TNR is giving Jack Goldsmith a forum. I thought the Left had dumped Jack over the side after he noted a couple of years ago that the evil Bush was actually under-reporting the terrorist threats to the American public, not scaring the getalife out of them.
Of course, the sad comments at TNR article prove that the Left just can’t let Cheney and Bush go. They are to this day absolutely convinced that the two of them “wanted” to start a war.
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Obama Official: But how would the Emperor maintain control without the Bureaucracy?
General Powell: The regional Governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear. Fear of this Debt Star will keep the States in line.
GunRunner on May 20, 2009 at 3:42 PM
As long as someone donates a Brain to Obama, I might consider it.
Fighton03 on May 20, 2009 at 3:42 PM
I misread your post. I disagree. I have nothing but the highest regard and respect for Dick Cheney.
Blake on May 20, 2009 at 3:43 PM
I can’t believe that all the countries of the world haven’t turned in all their arms, and just bowed down to Dear Leader like the idiots who elected him have. *Barf*
kirkill on May 20, 2009 at 3:45 PM
I am having a very difficult time believing any of the recent polling on a number of different public opinions. Does anyone think that just possibly the polls are being, I don’t know skewed in favor of the Mainstream Media’s creation?
The MSM loses if it’s Media creation loses.
Dr Evil on May 20, 2009 at 3:47 PM
I’m looking at the internals of this new Democtacy Now “Poll”. Some interesting results:
1. More people than not think this country is on the wrong track.
2. They have O’bama’s job approval at 59%, and of those 39% “strongly” approve.
3. The poll sample has about 9% more Democrats than Republicans.
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM
And the GOP should openly praise Obama for seeing the error of his previous plans and retaining Pres Bush’s policies. Too many voters have no memory and will need to be reminded that retention of the Bush efforts is being done because THEY WORKED. And it should be restated that it is too bad the Dems couldn’t support them when Pres Bush was in office.
katiejane on May 20, 2009 at 3:59 PM
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Hope that FOX doesn’t broadcast BO. No need to show him and interrupt our day every time he has a thought. It’s a wonder that the MSM doesn’t show us his morning bathroom routine. Seeing him run his mouth daily is verbal abuse to us all. Soon TV Guide will have to start listing him as a daily regular.
hillbilly on May 20, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Yeah, I kinda wonder that sometimes as well…
One way to easily skew a poll would be to randomly pick New York City folk, or San Fran City folk, vs. small town American folk…. ie… take the polls from perdominantly areas who voted for Bambi… instead of a mixture of areas.
As they never give the AREAS polled… just the results… and “a random selection of Registered voters” type of blurb…. and even then they Skew the numbers to represent what they think the correct political party representation is…
The validity of a poll could be easily questioned…
Romeo13 on May 20, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Not really, unless it’s clearly a pull-poll deal or some nonsense on-line.
But polling never really gets to the heart of voters.
That’s obvious, from elections.
AnninCA on May 20, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Step one: WE HATE BUSH!!1!1!
Step two: We LOVE OBAMA …because HE’S JUST LIKE BUSH!!
A lot of people have been quoting Ayn Rand lately. Y’all are off the mark. Think 1984 instead, because we clearly have always been at war with Oceana.
commenter on May 20, 2009 at 4:19 PM
Excuse me, but WHERE you pull the people you poll from can easily change the outcome of a poll. Heck, even the TIME you take the poll can impact the outcome (daytime poll? more likely to get the unemployed or stay at home moms, vs people working… and that WILL skew poll results).
They are not supposed to do this… but when you have polls being published by blatantly biased groups, you have to be carefull with the results.
Romeo13 on May 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM
meanwhile, Kuwait has elected 4 women to their government
jp on May 20, 2009 at 4:22 PM
It’s already been well-established that many of the polls are being cooked.
One that al-AP put out 2-3 weeks ago actually sampled twice as many Democrats as Republicans. Twice as many.
The NY Times “poll” has also regularly been busted; they usually sample 14% to 20% more Democrats than Republicans.
As for CNN, two years ago they dumped their longtime polling partner Gallup, and instead cast their lot with Vinod Gupta. He’s a longtime Clinton rumpswab. And they refuse to release their methodology at all, so who knows who they have been talking to?
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 4:23 PM
The Wise Men at Power Line checked in with their analysis of Jack Goldsmith’s article. Here they are in chronological order.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/05/023597.php
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/05/023598.php
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/05/023604.php
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Evidence that
adults14 year old girls are in charge.batterup on May 20, 2009 at 5:02 PM
Joe Klien is already handicapped – mentally.
Evidence? This idiotic crap:
What absolute, total,and complete bullshit. Only someone mentally deficient or drunk on Obama Wine, (in this case I suspect both) would write such drivel. As evidenced by his own myopic words, this man’s an idiot.
Setting aside the stated immediate and short-term reasons for the invasion, (which, by the way, are the only reasons for the justification of anything that most of the public and all liberals are able to cram into their limited capacity, short-sighted brains) the overthrow of Saddam was the foundation for the most comprehensive, far-reaching transformation of the middle east that has ever been attempted in the history in mankind.
So far, despite some near disastrous mistakes, it’s working. No thanks to liberals. No thanks to any democrats save one. No thanks to anyone in the MSM. And certainly no thanks to this wind-sock president we now have.
Had Bush been short-sighted, driven by polls, or swayed by the constant condemnation and ridicule of the MSM, Iraq would now be a festering hell hole.
So, despite the on-going efforts of liberals and the MSM to depict Bush as a failure to a gullible and short-sighted public, history will prove otherwise, as it will in their attempts to depict Obama as our knight in shining armor even as the cheap chrome plating begins to flake off the imposter’s shield.
Rod on May 20, 2009 at 5:10 PM
“Outlier!!!!!!” Isn’t that what the lefties say whenever there’s a poll that doesn’t fit into their illusions?
ddrintn on May 20, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Well, during the elections, the Messiah ran against Palin, the Republican vice-presidential candidate. So, I’m not surprised that once again he had to deal with a vice-president.
One think through. Dick is not Sarah and The O is finding that to his dislike.
El Coqui on May 20, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Obama’s act of allowing Navy Seals to shoot 3 Somali pirates is an example of Obama’s “complicated and sophisticated comprehensive diplomacy”? Does Barry’s bowing and scraping before the ludicrous Saudi king qualify as part of his “complicated and sophisticated” diplomacy too? Or how about his begging European allies to take in Gitmo prisoners — and having France agree to accept one, while everybody else told Barry to get stuffed? Or how about his ghetto glad-handing with Hugo Chavez, or his non-stop apology tours? Very “sophisticated” stuff, eh Klein?
AZCoyote on May 20, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Sad to say, we will not be alive to witness Bush being vindicated by history. Because those historians haven’t been born yet.
BTW if you want to read some real BS, MoDo the DoDo at the NY Fishwrap fell off her rocker again.
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Oops, forgot the link to MoDo
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 6:26 PM
3rd time is the charm
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/20/opinion/20dowd.html?em
Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Obama is about a petty as a five year old getting some sand thrown at him. It shows he’s not mature enough to handle the job, or the territory that goes with the white house. Heaven help his daughters when they start dating.
byteshredder on May 20, 2009 at 7:05 PM
I probably will be and so will Bush. He knows that and knew it going in. That’s why I find him to be such a remarkable man.
Few people can think past pay day. Most politicians only focus on the next election. And, aside from some parents and a very few of our past and greatest leaders, no one makes decisions based upon outcomes that may not be realized until long after they are gone.
Anyway, I hope sooner. Aside from Obama and a few lefties, it’s pretty much accepted today that Jimmy Carter was a abject failure as president and he’s still kicking around.
In fact, he’s living proof and testament to the short-sightedness of our culture. Most have forgotten how much his liberal polices screwed up this nation (and the world with the Carter-enabled rise of Iran) – forgotten to the point that we’re going to try a whole bunch of them again.
Rod on May 20, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Excellent! I could not have said it better myself.
Karl: Your posts, too, are well stated and linked. I see a permanent role for you here.
VP Cheney: You are my hero in so many ways. Teach the Rookie-in-Chief what it means to be a responsible leader and statesman.
onlineanalyst on May 20, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Wow. 96-0. Maybe some folks are seeing the light (or at least the wind direction).
Hey! No besmirching the -wald/Eller bundle! That’s sock thespian to you…
Couldn’t agree more. And not surprised in the least about Karl, Doctor Zero and selected others, given their excellent comments and Green Room activities.
RD on May 21, 2009 at 9:16 AM
And maybe I’m showing some numeric dyslexia. That should be 90-6.
RD on May 21, 2009 at 9:18 AM
DEBATE DEBATE DEBATE!
We all know Teleprompter Bambi can read a speech. Let’s see him go up against Dead Eye Dick mano y mano and show off his vaunted Ivy League lawyering.
chunderroad on May 21, 2009 at 11:27 AM
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