Libertarians are mostly conservatives minus the anti-choice platform. Social Conservatism is anathema to a Libertarian, right up there with wealth redistribution…If the Republicans don’t get it together, there will be a migration to the Libertarian Party with more lost elections. There are Conservatives out there who believe in evolution, that the world is more than six thousand years old, that abortions will occur even if Roe v. Wade were overturned(from a Libertarian POV, it should be overturned, it’s a state’s rights issue)that kids could pray at home before school, and there’s a better way to close the border without a stupid fence that Mexicans can get through, over, or under in two minutes. Libertarians are conservatives that employ common sense….Personal responsibility is what the Founding Fathers expected in exchange for Liberty. It’s going to be making a come back……

I haven’t met a libertarian yet that wants to personally accept the consequences of their actions when those consequences could land them in jail for life or garner their wages as long as they work.

THAT would be the realities of a libertarian Utopia. Since most libertarians are just pot heads, that reality is just too scary.

Guess what, you just met your first libertarian who believes in personal responsibility. How ya doin’?

And for the record, I’ve never touched pot, and I never intend to. Stuff turns my friends into blathering idiots.

Granted, I self medicate using merlot and cabernet, but if wine was good enough for Jesus, it’s good enough for me.

Quick, let’s change a millenniums-old tradition because of one tragic incident and how we feel about it. Because it’s all about how we feel, not rational debate.

TheQuestion on May 19, 2009 at 10:33 PM

The disputants will probably go on reasoning with each other about this matter, no matter how flippant you feel.

If someone’s screen-name is typed in ALL-CAPS, then trust me…they’re not “objectivists” about anything

/erectile dysfunction, perhaps, AYN?

bluelightbrigade on May 20, 2009 at 8:21 AM

Actually, I’d have an easier time believing that about someone who used only lower-case letters in their screen name.

But that’s OK blb… size really doesn’t matter…

sodomites have NO RIGHTS UNDER THE LAW.

Seven Seas on May 20, 2009 at 12:44 AM

Thank you for your interest in membership in civilized society. However, you’re obviously too f**king stupid to be trusted with the responsibilities inherent in a Republic, so we must, regrettably, deny your application.

Exit now, and choose a government that requires less intelligence and wisdom. Perhaps North Korea, or Saudi Arabia, where the responsibilities of citizenship don’t require any thought, as that is clearly beyond your reach.

Once again, thank you for your interest in joining a society advanced enough to be represented by Republican values, but you clearly are not ready for membership in this society. We will, of course, keep your membership application on file. Please feel free to re-apply in five years, when we sincerely hope that your intellect will have developed sufficiently for us to take your desire to be a good citizen seriously.

Signed:

Intelligent Citizens of America

Although I am an atheist, I have no problems with Christians who believe in hell and therefore pray for me or otherwise try to ’save’ me if done in an respectful manner. I respect them far more than Christians who also really believe in hell but can’t be bothered with saving fellow humans.

NORUK on May 20, 2009 at 11:35 AM

LOL, half of all atheists will hate us for trying to spread the word and the other half hate us for not doing it. Jesus said there’d be days like this.

what be dat?

blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 11:23 PM

Airport code for San Antonio TX.

Personal irrational fears hardly qualify as tradition.

Count to 10 on May 20, 2009 at 11:56 AM

The do if they are handed down from generation to generation and embedded in law, culture and society.

Xenophobia is a common tradition across cultures. Historically, very useful for survival though obviously fraught with cruelty.

dedalus on May 20, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Personal irrational fears hardly qualify as tradition.

That wasn’t tradition, that was general xenophobia mixed with stereotyping and knowledge of previous events.

Count to 10 on May 20, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Xenophobia is a common tradition across cultures. Historically, very useful for survival though obviously fraught with cruelty.

There was a traditional attitude toward race that continued to exist and was represented in culture and law for a hundred years after the civil war.

dedalus on May 20, 2009 at 10:43 AM

That wasn’t tradition, that was general xenophobia mixed with stereotyping and knowledge of previous events.

I saw a clip of Penn over the weekend, he was talking about a fan who came up after a show and gave him a small Bible. Penn said if you really believe in something you should promote it and he thought that the man was sincere and nice. He compared it to warning someone that a bus was going to hit them. And although he restated his disbelief in God he encouraged Christians to continue to spread the word. I don’t know what to make of it.

It’s a logical position I share with Penn. Although I am an atheist, I have no problems with Christians who believe in hell and therefore pray for me or otherwise try to ‘save’ me if done in an respectful manner. I respect them far more than Christians who also really believe in hell but can’t be bothered with saving fellow humans.

There really was no tradition behind it, just business.

Count to 10 on May 20, 2009 at 10:33 AM

There was a traditional attitude toward race that continued to exist and was represented in culture and law for a hundred years after the civil war.

I’m a right-wing Evangelical Christian Gun toting extremist, and I think they should let anyone into the room that the dying person asks for. I’m pretty certain Jesus feels the same way.

kirkill on May 20, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Me too except I am soon to be gun toting.

Well, as I’ve said before, slavery was a “milleniums-old tradition”…didn’t make it somehow worth protecting and saving tho, did it?

JetBoy on May 19, 2009 at 10:48 PM

Um, no. Slavery, as practiced in the US, was a centuries-old institution when it was terminated. There really was no tradition behind it, just business.

I think we need to also start pulling troops out of places other than hot spots like the Middle East and place in Africa where genocide is occurring.

When The Bride of Monster and I got married, there were actually four parties to the “contract”, two of whom had not even been conceived yet. Clearly, they were not able to give their informed consent to the “contract”. The state steps in to protect those who are not competent to give consent, and in this case assured that the Monsterettes’ interest was protected.

In the libertarian world, people are allowed to do as they please as long as their actions don’t damage others. The problem is that if they cause damage because of their actions, they still want to shift the blame to others.

With total personal freedom comes total personal responsibility. If you want to inject heroin into your eyes and then decide to drive and subsequently kill someone, you have to pay the price all by your self. You can’t use the “My daddy beat me as a child” defense.

I haven’t met a libertarian yet that wants to personally accept the consequences of their actions when those consequences could land them in jail for life or garner their wages as long as they work.

Oh yeah, it also means there are no social programs. So avoiding a garnishment of your wages isn’t possible by going on welfare.

THAT would be the realities of a libertarian Utopia. Since most libertarians are just pot heads, that reality is just too scary.

When I read that article from Drudge earlier, I noticed that Al Gore’s family seemed one target within all of the Clinton hard drive material stolen. Seems Obama’s folks are garnering dirt for power plays.

The other thought accompanying the news of THIS Archive theft was that it is meant to spur legislation to deny further access to recorded history, making it that much more difficult to access. The fact remains, there IS PROTOCOL to prevent theft THAT IS NOT BEING IMPLEMENTED. More legislation inhibiting access is NOT going to prevent theft, but WILL prevent legitimate access to records for public historical awareness.

Finally, whatever comes of altering the processing of the archives, beware of subterfuge actually altering records. Revisionism is rampantly viral.

I’m outa here for a while…