Quotes of the day
posted at 10:30 pm on May 19, 2009 by Allahpundit
“One of the things her partner said to her was, ‘I’m afraid of dying. Don’t leave me alone,’” said Judith A. Lonnquist, a lawyer for Ms. Reed. “That’s why the suffering was so enormous — she felt as if her partner was thinking she had betrayed her trust.”
***
Blowback
Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.
Trackbacks/Pings
Trackback URL
Comments
Comment pages: 1 2 3 Next »
Penn for Steele’s job…
sven10077 on May 19, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Quick, let’s change a millenniums-old tradition because of one tragic incident and how we feel about it. Because it’s all about how we feel, not rational debate.
TheQuestion on May 19, 2009 at 10:33 PM
“sven10077 on May 19, 2009 at 10:32 PM”
like he’d even CONSIDER it …
Buckaroo on May 19, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Has no one every heard of “power of attorney” or “medical proxy”?
Techie on May 19, 2009 at 10:36 PM
For some reason I can’t watch the video. Will someone please tell me if it’s at all related to the above quote?
Emily M. on May 19, 2009 at 10:36 PM
I had no idea hospital visitation privilege was a milleniums-old tradition.
And that argument is pretty stupid anyway. Slavery was a millenniums-old tradition. And no, I’m not saying they are equal in the weight of the suffering of the wronged, but the idea that “Hey this thing is really old, so it must be right” is really dumb.
jimmy the notable on May 19, 2009 at 10:36 PM
I saw Penn on Beck today
He was rambling on how if 3 men and a woman want to marry, or vice versa, its okay.
blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 10:39 PM
An atheist who’s fine with polygamy and seems to despise Republicans as much as Democrats? I can see that going over like a lead balloon.
amerpundit on May 19, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Penn is one sanctimonious SOB. Maybe its a showbiz schtick, maybe it is simple cocksuredness. IDK.
Having said that…Glenn Beck is the perfect venue for this kind of discourse. Hell, throw Dennis Miller in the mix as well.
Limited Government, isn’t that the phrase skynet tracafk;ewaw
daesleeper on May 19, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Wait, Rush wouldn’t like this free thinkin’ on Gays….so we must strike back against this Comic and Beck for allowing this Hate Speech.
AYNBLAND on May 19, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Possible Troll Sighting
Alert — Alert
blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Penn thinks on his feet better than Mike and wears his desires overtly on his sleeve as opposed to DL Hughgley Steele saying one thing to one crowd one day and the 180 to another the next….
extreme in his libertarianhood?
Yeah Penn is but that is a far more benign failing than Ogabe’s zealous pursuit of Tyrrany.
sven10077 on May 19, 2009 at 10:45 PM
That’s right, if I speak out in deference to the leader I am a “Troll.” You’re worse than the Kos Kidz.
AYNBLAND on May 19, 2009 at 10:46 PM
MOBY right ahead!
sven10077 on May 19, 2009 at 10:46 PM
What hospital keeps anybody out? Really….another made up case:
“Robert Alonso, a spokesman for the public trust that runs the Miami hospital, Jackson Memorial, said it typically did not comment on pending litigation, but added that the hospital grants visitation if it doesn’t interfere with other emergency care. “The primary legal point is that the amount of visitation allowed in a trauma emergency room should be decided by the surgeons and nurses treating the patients,””
TheBigOldDog on May 19, 2009 at 10:47 PM
this has nothing to do with feelings
Libertine is what Penn is
jp on May 19, 2009 at 10:47 PM
oooh don’t speak a word that isn’t in praise of Limbaugh or you’re off the reservation.
AYNBLAND on May 19, 2009 at 10:47 PM
wrong forum champ….looking for a leader here is like watching a herd of cats wrangled by cowboys….
sven10077 on May 19, 2009 at 10:47 PM
Well, as I’ve said before, slavery was a “milleniums-old tradition”…didn’t make it somehow worth protecting and saving tho, did it?
JetBoy on May 19, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Here’s an idea. Have an original thought. That way you don’t need to go to the radio everyday and regurgitate the narrative.
AYNBLAND on May 19, 2009 at 10:48 PM
I liked the way Penn answered the global warming question. It really illustrated how lacking the subject is for an honest debate. It’s much easier to throw some talking points out and be done with it.
As to the marriage issue, I disagree with Penn in the sense that if marriage is just be regarded as a legal contract by the government, rather than being easier than current marital litigation, it will become just as complicated as it is now under current marriage laws. If that didn’t just make sense, what I’m trying to say is that simply changing marriage into some other form of legal contract than what is already is, isn’t going to make things easier in the long run. Given a few years, or decades, and the new, redefined legal marriage will be just as complicated as it already is.
And to you Libertarians out there, no matter how much you may rightly feel that government should get out of the subject of marriage all together, this is an impossibility because there will always need to be legal issues surrounding marriages of all kinds that only the courts will be able to remedy.
Weebork on May 19, 2009 at 10:48 PM
I’m sorry, my son was hitting me over the head with a sword, but I missed the correlation between the two stories……..
………. What does Penn Jillette have anything to do with telling a nurse, if it becomes an issue, “That’s my sister, please let me see her!”?
Oh, that’s right, even in the matter of life and death……….
……… your homosexual orientation has to be the first thing to throw into ever else’s face.
My brother had a brain anureism and died a few years back, and when I got to the hospital, even though he changed his name for an acting career, I had no problem seeing him………
……… I just said he was “family”.
Seven Percent Solution on May 19, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Its just that you brought up Rush for no apparent reason for the sole purpose of attacking him. I don’t believe Rush would have a problem with Glenn Beck, because they agree more than they disagree. They are both people who believe that the government has gotten in the way of the ability of the people to behave freely.
jimmy the notable on May 19, 2009 at 10:49 PM
This was in reply to AYNBLAND
jimmy the notable on May 19, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Pick a persona and stick with it.
Patrick on May 19, 2009 at 10:49 PM
-
Gee, no unintended legal ramifications in that setup.
-
RalphyBoy on May 19, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Trolls go where the food is.
TheBigOldDog on May 19, 2009 at 10:50 PM
It’s more of the mocking that makes you a troll, fiend.
blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Praise Limbaugh and we will let you into the doubleplugood secret conservative club.
;)
daesleeper on May 19, 2009 at 10:50 PM
I know, right?
What could go wrong?
blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 10:50 PM
daesleeper on May 19, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Are you lost?
Knucklehead on May 19, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Its not about making things easier, its about getting the government out of the way. Taxes would be much “easier” if the government simply confiscated all of our earnings and set up bread lines.
jimmy the notable on May 19, 2009 at 10:50 PM
I like Penn and Teller’s show, making fun of stuff. Serious policy discussions are not his thing.
Hog Wild on May 19, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Beck is an idiot if he wants to move inward militarily, he has no idea what he’s dealing with
jp on May 19, 2009 at 10:52 PM
FIFY
jimmy the notable on May 19, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Until one decides to leave, or dies. Then, good luck sorting out the property. It would be nirvana for divorce attorneys. Want all this insanity to stop? limit the number of law degrees issued each year to the number who die each year.
TheBigOldDog on May 19, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Tooo many lawyers in America
blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Libertarianism is conservatism–Glad atleast one high profile conservative understands that. But there is one significant break between “traditional” libertarian position and conservative position on national security and defense. After years of exposing Islam and the evils around us, is Beck suddenly a libertarian isolationist? WTF? That can’t be the case but based on the video that’s what it looked like…
Patriot33 on May 19, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Well that’s why you include all of that in the initial marriage contract. If you fail to think through all of the possible situations beforehand, then you deserve the headache. Last time I checked, the Federal Government isn’t in the aspirin business.
jimmy the notable on May 19, 2009 at 10:54 PM
OMG I’m sitting here lol at the most stupid comment I’ve ever read on this site. Are you new?
Rush had nothing to do with this interview.
You’ve never listened to Limbaugh. He talk less about Gays than almost any other subject.
You think everyone on this site is a ditto-head. Way too many Libertarians for that to be true.
Not a hint in a comment yet comparing this to hate speech.
But absolutely the most obvious thing you believe is that people don’t have the right to their own opinion.
I think what you wrote is closer to hate-speech.
BTW, your screenname is about nas sophomoric as they come too. You must think Atlas Shrugged is our Bible or something huh? And it hurt our feelings?
lol, we’re not really what your college professor said we were.
hawkdriver on May 19, 2009 at 10:54 PM
I should mention that I’m a large fan of Penn’s (have seen Penn and Teller live 3 times). Not to get some sort of bonafide credit, but I do think the man does have a lot of good ideas, I just think this is a weak argument.
Techie on May 19, 2009 at 10:54 PM
Sigh. NYT story ripped to shreds in headlines, still makes QOTD.
Not gonna recap all the points from earlier, but anybody with a healthcare background has to know this story is crap.
cs89 on May 19, 2009 at 10:55 PM
Uh huh.
TheBigOldDog on May 19, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Jimmy,
But that’s my point, it would only be easier in the beginning. Then case laws and appellate court rulings would set precedence that would end up complicating things rather quickly. Given a few years, and gov’t would be forced to intervene because judges can’t settle legal issues between two parties without established laws to base their rulings on (unless we want judicial fiat).
In fact, I would even suggest that things would be even more complicated and messy because there are now more marriage combinations.
Weebork on May 19, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Beck has been entertaining the paultard for awhile, he must be wearing on him. good grief.
its not just that, if we withdrawal from the world, the Vacuum that will be filled with not be by a better force.
zero common sense
It would also be nice if Glenn Beck would learn a thing or two about Double Entry Accounting
jp on May 19, 2009 at 10:56 PM
I have gay friends that have legal documents to back up their partnership. If a hospital denied them access granted by those documents, then they are in violation of a legal contract and should be punished under the law.
This isn’t a gay rights or e-e-e-vil Christianist Republican issue. It’s a purely legal issue.
Seriously, stop trying to make a big deal out of this crap.
ScottMcC on May 19, 2009 at 10:57 PM
“The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.”
–Henry VI (Part 2)
TheBigOldDog on May 19, 2009 at 10:58 PM
One isn’t to go off the reservation per Rush…….mirrored by SH and ML.
It’s no so much my “message” as it is watching you folks use their narratives to set the standard of being a Conservative.
Are you telling me that Rush would agree with Penn Jillette?
Of course he wouldn’t and you will fall in line. Like some MMoonbat bloggers.
AYNBLAND on May 19, 2009 at 10:59 PM
Limited government was once the phrase the conservative movement and the GOP lived and died by.
Nowadays, thanks in large part to GWB and his sycophants, it has become a national punchline.
JohnGalt23 on May 19, 2009 at 11:00 PM
What do you need when you have a lawyer buried up to his neck in cement?
Just a little more cement.
daesleeper on May 19, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Drunk….and lost I see!
Knucklehead on May 19, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Hurt “our” feelings? Man, you really are Kos bound. Actually, I’m an objectivist. Ayn Rand would consider most of you to be cult members.
AYNBLAND on May 19, 2009 at 11:02 PM
What do you call 5000 dead lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?
A good start!
Knucklehead on May 19, 2009 at 11:03 PM
A fourty year old lawyer joke.
AYNBLAND on May 19, 2009 at 11:04 PM
My tomorrow night.
blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Two dorks inanely babling to each other, what a waste of airtime. Shouldn’t they be talking to the audience. Eye contact idiots? I felt completely left out of the conversation. These idiots are just as annoying as anyone on MSNBC.
Tommy_G on May 19, 2009 at 11:04 PM
But that argument could also be applied to the idea that the government should get out of the way and we should abolish EPA, the Department of Labor, the Department of Education, the Department of Transportation, on domestic grounds. “But what will take their place?? Who will protect the environment, and run the schools??” cries the frightened big-government liberal. That argument runs on the false idea that someone inherently should be doing those things. If you believe in the free market, as I do, the only things that should be done are the things that the public market demands get done. Anything else is unwanted intervention by a behemoth government accountable to almost noone, giving a faceless low-level bureaucrat the power of a CEO.
All of these arguments could be applied outward towards our role in the rest of the world. Why should we be protecting people in Iraq? Why is that the government’s business? In terms of dollars, it doesn’t make sense.
I don’t necessarily subscribe to this view, because we don’t yet live in a world where anybody in this country believes in small government, and if we should be big anywhere, it should be on defense, but I can understand the argument for why we should just get out of the way and let the rest of the world crumble if it will crumble, or prosper of the people in the rest of the world so choose to prosper.
jimmy the notable on May 19, 2009 at 11:05 PM
Says the person who belongs to a cult.
jimmy the notable on May 19, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Are you finally going to get lucky?
Knucklehead on May 19, 2009 at 11:06 PM
The government works on behalf of the people and most people want the culture of marriage in their society. Why would this Penn character want to tell the people that they can’t have what they want legally ingrained into the society they want?
Same with any particular form of intoxicant that isn’t legal in society. A group of people can limit the number of things that are allowed in their society, and they better because the “x is legal so y should be legal” argument is the slippery slope to “anything goes”.
There is reason for a person to not want to live in a society that is dead set against their personal principles and preferences, but that is an argument to split up large democracies and create small democracies that will naturally tailor themselves to the particular preferences of many different groups of people. The sovereign states model doesn’t work because the federal mechanism is there that allows a majority of states to strong-arm states with principles that are in the minority to conform to their views.
Buddahpundit on May 19, 2009 at 11:06 PM
We’re hanging out tomorrow?
blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 11:07 PM
What do you need when you have a lawyer buried up to his neck in cement?
Just a little more cement.
A lawn mower.
daesleeper on May 19, 2009 at 11:00 PM
TheBigOldDog on May 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM
Category Error, two different realms, princples are different.
its our National Interest, not just us but the Civilized world’s. Its the best bad option.
as for the cost, Larry Kudlow addressed this well here:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YzYzY2JiYzU2Yjc3MjY5MTgyZjJiOGQ1ZjM5MmI3Yzc=
Imagine what the world today would look like had the British withdrawn from the world as Beck wants the USA to do. We are carrying the torch of Liberty abroad, and it was handed to us by our Cousins across the pond.
jp on May 19, 2009 at 11:09 PM
Sure thing baby….my batteries are dead.
Knucklehead on May 19, 2009 at 11:10 PM
We don’t do things in the name of the will of the majority, we do them in the name of laws. Under your logic, if the majority of an Islamic country believe it is okay to stone adulterers, and they want to live in a society that does that, then that should be okay. That is not democracy based in infallible laws. That is a populist society, and it is very dangerous.
jimmy the notable on May 19, 2009 at 11:10 PM
Time and place, and we’re in bidnazz
blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 11:11 PM
A fourty year old lawyer joke.
AYNBLAND on May 19, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Please learn to spell. It is annoying.
catlady on May 19, 2009 at 11:12 PM
I can’t read the story, as I am not registered at the NY Times, and I can’t get the video to work. So, all I can say is:
Can’t I just eat my waffle?
Loxodonta on May 19, 2009 at 11:12 PM
ZOMG blatant! lol!
I’ve got a fever and the only prescription is more AYNBLAND!
daesleeper on May 19, 2009 at 11:14 PM
Loxodonta on May 19, 2009 at 11:12 PM
How ya doing, there gal? Feeling any better?
catlady on May 19, 2009 at 11:15 PM
bugmenot is your friend 8D
daesleeper on May 19, 2009 at 11:16 PM
LOL
You shouldn’t be allowed to post until you set up that BBQ.
blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Was she ill?
Have you been ill?
Knucklehead on May 19, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Knew her did ya? What do you think she’d say about the way you spoofed her name? I’ll help.
She’d think you were a flaming attention whore liberal with nothing better to do than to come to a site where mostly Conservatives hang out and discuss Conservative issues and troll them. She might also think you’re a moron. I’m guessing there though; I didn’t know her as well as you did.
hawkdriver on May 19, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Which millenniums-old tradition are we talking about here? Polygamy? Abraham, David, Jacob and Solomon can’t be wrong, no?
The age-old argument is flawed.
toliver on May 19, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Hmm… the two things aren’t entirely related. The NY Times article deals more with the rights afforded by a private hospital (but there is some question there about the state being “anti-gay” and that impacting the hospital rules)… Penn and Beck are talking about the big nanny state federal government being used to restrict the freedom of others.
Have you noticed that the Democrats and the media are trying desperately to get the GOP back to the hot-button issues of gay rights and abortion for the 2010 election? I wonder why that is…
popularpeoplesfront on May 19, 2009 at 11:18 PM
I have to say that there is more to these stories than is being reported. My husband is in the medical field, and from experience he says that if people are not being let into someone’s room it is because the staff is working on them and need some space to do whatever it is they are doing. Also, if the “family” member is acting too emotional and looks to be out of control while things are going down, they sometimes have to ask them to leave. Just saying, there is some thing seriously fishy with this story.
catlady on May 19, 2009 at 11:18 PM
she be a he
blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Why does Allah only post the crappy stuff that’s on Glenn Beck?
Knucklehead on May 19, 2009 at 11:20 PM
You shouldn’t be allowed to post until you set up that BBQ.
blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Depends when you are getting a ticket to SAT, dude!
catlady on May 19, 2009 at 11:20 PM
As opposed to… what… a legal setup that allows unlimited numbers of owners in a business organization with a theoretically infinite lifespan that allows separation of liability from ownership?
The birth of the corporation must have raised some very serious questions in a legal system that until that point was completely unequipped to deal with such an organization. But guess what? The law developed a very complex and sophisticated body of contract law around it.
Is there any reason to believe that our legal system is incapable of dealing with a form of marriage that would be less complicated than even the simplest of corporate transactions?
JohnGalt23 on May 19, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Hawkdriver on May 19, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Ouch! Take that, you commie liberal pinko whatever! Good response!
catlady on May 19, 2009 at 11:22 PM
If that’s the case, then they should sue for every penny they can.
The Ugly American on May 19, 2009 at 11:22 PM
SAT?
what be dat?
blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 11:23 PM
Is he in rubberface?
Fortunata on May 19, 2009 at 11:24 PM
The Ugly American on May 19, 2009 at 11:22 PM
I agree in principle, but with direct experience with my sister who is dying of cancer (been in and out of hospitals a lot lately) and my husband’s direct field experience, there could be more to these cases than meets the eye. It could be some asinine admistrators/staff at the hospital, but then again…
catlady on May 19, 2009 at 11:25 PM
I knew that, I just can’t type but the catlady said it was a she.
Knucklehead on May 19, 2009 at 11:27 PM
blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 11:23 PM
San Antonio, Texas, the home of the free, brave, where BBQ is honored and revered along with guns and neutered cats… :)
catlady on May 19, 2009 at 11:27 PM
I knew that, I just can’t type but the catlady said it was a she.
Knucklehead on May 19, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Sorry, I mistyped (?) that, I hope it was not a Freudian slip…
catlady on May 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM
Can’t type? Again, my tomorrow night :p
AP is a cat, I don’t think he’d like to visit SAT
blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Look at this phony comparison: slavery and heterosexual marriage are not the same thing, sorry. This is the kind of thing same-sex marriage proponents do; conflate historical legacies in order to promote their ‘progressive’ view.
4000 years of history can’t be wrong JetBoy — it’s pretty arrogant that you think you’re right while Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Aristotle, Aquinas, Locke, Hobbes, Bentham, and Dewey were all wrong.
Richard Romano on May 19, 2009 at 11:29 PM
This issue is the biggest single reason I support, in a manner of speaking, civil unions. Frankly, I think these sorts of hospital regulation are ridiculous, and inventing “civil unions” shouldn’t be necessary to rectify the situation, but since that hasn’t happened for whatever reason, (which I’m not familiar with), perhaps civil unions are the way to go.
On the other hand, I do not think civil unions need to be identical to marriage in all but name. If gay people want kids they should have them the natural way. Using children as guinea pigs in sociological experiments which may cause them unnecessary harm is inappropriate if not immoral. And there are too many divorce cases already clogging up our courts, we don’t need more.
Marriage has always been about raising a family, which means having children, and this is obviously biologically impossible for gay peoples.
Raising children is beneficial to society, the continuity of civilization depends on it, so it is only logical that society would promote healthy families and children by recognizing the ancient institution called marriage. The same argument cannot be made for gay “marriage”.
And that’s my secular perspective as an atheist, founded on natural principles and laws.
I agree with Penn that people can enter into any legal contract that they wish and that consenting adults can do whatever they want in in private, but that’s very different from dismembering an ancient institution who’s very purpose is to promote the survival of civilization itself.
FloatingRock on May 19, 2009 at 11:29 PM
If you look up klutz in the dictionary, you’ll find me there.
Fell down half a flight of stairs yesterday morning.
Loxodonta on May 19, 2009 at 11:30 PM
By the by, I’m really sorry about your sis, cat lady
blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 11:30 PM
You have one life, let it be gay
Don’t put it off till you’re dying
Now is the time to be flying
Grab up every golden chance
Life can be such romance
If life tosses you a new bouquet
Meet your heart half-way
And your heart will say Vivez!
PercyB on May 19, 2009 at 11:31 PM
You alright?
blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 11:31 PM
thanks. Will try that.
Loxodonta on May 19, 2009 at 11:31 PM
AP is a cat, I don’t think he’d like to visit SAT
blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 11:29 PM
lol, snorted my Mt Dew!! Hey, if I can trap ‘em, I neuter em!
catlady on May 19, 2009 at 11:32 PM
I love your posts, PercyB
I’m so close to getting Knucklehead’s number, isn’t it awesome?!!?
blatantblue on May 19, 2009 at 11:32 PM
Comment pages: 1 2 3 Next »