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		<title>By: Cash for Clunkers Dealers Must Destroy Engines to Prevent Fraud &#171; POLITISITE: Politics from the RIGHT Side of the WEB</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cash for Clunkers Dealers Must Destroy Engines to Prevent Fraud &#171; POLITISITE: Politics from the RIGHT Side of the WEB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Community Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Who Doesn&#039;t Want Fuel Efficient Cars? ...&lt;/strong&gt;

President Barack Obama will announce plans on Tuesday for a national fuel-economy and greenhouse-gas...</description>
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<p>President Barack Obama will announce plans on Tuesday for a national fuel-economy and greenhouse-gas&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: One Step Closer to the Pelosi GTXi SS/RT Sport Edition, From Congressional Motors &#124; Thinkumentary</title>
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		<dc:creator>One Step Closer to the Pelosi GTXi SS/RT Sport Edition, From Congressional Motors &#124; Thinkumentary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 16:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] statistics that bear out the cold truth that smaller automobiles equals more traffic fatalities.  You&#8217;d be wrong (h/t Karl): As for the increased motorist deaths, which the National Academy of Sciences once [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] statistics that bear out the cold truth that smaller automobiles equals more traffic fatalities.  You&#8217;d be wrong (h/t Karl): As for the increased motorist deaths, which the National Academy of Sciences once [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cybergeezer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cybergeezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 16:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Wonder Boy is on a roll; How about Whoopte Goldberg for Supreme Court?&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Wonder Boy is on a roll; How about Whoopte Goldberg for Supreme Court?</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Small Car Safety Problems: It&#8217;s physics, stupid &#171; Nuke&#8217;s</title>
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		<dc:creator>Small Car Safety Problems: It&#8217;s physics, stupid &#171; Nuke&#8217;s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More at HA: raising car prices and killing people Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Small Nissan Versa aces crash testsAutoline on Autoblog with John McElroySmaller Cars Get Low GradesWill Pedestrian-Safety Laws Kill the Beautiful Car? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: kens</title>
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		<dc:creator>kens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention that more expensive cars drive people further into debt - - they&#039;re spending but then they&#039;ll need to bailed out later because they can&#039;t make the payments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention that more expensive cars drive people further into debt &#8211; - they&#8217;re spending but then they&#8217;ll need to bailed out later because they can&#8217;t make the payments?</p>
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		<title>By: Dpet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dpet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey more deaths = less mouths to feed, less healthcare to give..less carbon footprint....less population to worry about

Socialists love this stuff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey more deaths = less mouths to feed, less healthcare to give..less carbon footprint&#8230;.less population to worry about</p>
<p>Socialists love this stuff</p>
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		<title>By: gonnjos</title>
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		<dc:creator>gonnjos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 14:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And another thing.

This program is going to cost the American consumer tens of billions of dollars, and reduce US oil consumption by 3.5%, using their numbers. This doesn&#039;t even cover the run-off projected from domestic production in 2016, which is on the order of 15%.

IT DOES NOT REDUCE US DEPENDENCY ON OIL IMPORTS!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another thing.</p>
<p>This program is going to cost the American consumer tens of billions of dollars, and reduce US oil consumption by 3.5%, using their numbers. This doesn&#8217;t even cover the run-off projected from domestic production in 2016, which is on the order of 15%.</p>
<p>IT DOES NOT REDUCE US DEPENDENCY ON OIL IMPORTS!!!</p>
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		<title>By: What Are a Few Thousand Human Lives If That Means You Can&#8217;t Save a Polar Bear? &#171; The French Cowboy&#8217;s Plains</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Are a Few Thousand Human Lives If That Means You Can&#8217;t Save a Polar Bear? &#171; The French Cowboy&#8217;s Plains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 13:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] drawback, of course, is that lower fuel and emission caps aren&#8217;t necessarily going to reduce either [...]</description>
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		<title>By: gonnjos</title>
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		<dc:creator>gonnjos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 13:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You’re letting your partisan blinders get in the way. We get massive amounts of oil from Saudi Arabia and Venezuela (about a million barrels a day from each). Saudi Arabia and Mexico are about even, depending on the quarter one is more than the other.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is not an issue of &quot;political blinders&quot;, whatever that is. The issue is that this administration CONSTANTLY uses hot button rhetoric to press their agenda. This is an excellent example. Why use Libya in the mention of savings? US imports from Libya are virtually nothing. Why use Venezuela? Mexico, as you aptly point out, exports to us almost the same amount of oil as Venezuela. Reading the transcription of the remarks, Obama also mentions Nigeria, the nearly rogue, problematic African state, in the Saudi- Venezuela-Libya content. Why them? And, of course there is the evil Saudi Arabia, whose leader the One felt compelled to let see the top of his head.
Using these 4 countries draws harsh, negative connotations of oil production. I am quite surprised that Obama did not use the names Exxon, Chevron, Shell, Oxy and BP in his statement, but I am sure he has his reasons. Using principles of critical evaluation of speech, everything that Obama reads off the teleprompter is EXACTLY what his speechwriters want us to hear. He probably is saving those remarks for a latter date.
My point goes further in that Obama uses 1.8 BBO as the savings over the life of these cars, without mentioning the timeframe. If we are to assume 7 years as the useful lifetime of an Obamamobile, then the net savings of oil in 2016 will be around 700,000 barrels of oil per day, about what we import from the unheralded Angola now.
But the statement of, &quot;we will save more oil than what we currently import from Angola&quot; just doesn&#039;t have the same cache, does it? I am thinking that the 1.8 BBO savings is rectally extracted anyway, like so many of his numbers (i.e., &quot;saving&quot; 5 million jobs with the &quot;Stimulus &quot; package).

He routinely twists facts to spin his story to make weak minded American stand back in awe of his &quot;magical powers&quot;. 

Sorry, I am not one of them, and I am not going to sing &quot;Kumbaya&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You’re letting your partisan blinders get in the way. We get massive amounts of oil from Saudi Arabia and Venezuela (about a million barrels a day from each). Saudi Arabia and Mexico are about even, depending on the quarter one is more than the other.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is not an issue of &#8220;political blinders&#8221;, whatever that is. The issue is that this administration CONSTANTLY uses hot button rhetoric to press their agenda. This is an excellent example. Why use Libya in the mention of savings? US imports from Libya are virtually nothing. Why use Venezuela? Mexico, as you aptly point out, exports to us almost the same amount of oil as Venezuela. Reading the transcription of the remarks, Obama also mentions Nigeria, the nearly rogue, problematic African state, in the Saudi- Venezuela-Libya content. Why them? And, of course there is the evil Saudi Arabia, whose leader the One felt compelled to let see the top of his head.<br />
Using these 4 countries draws harsh, negative connotations of oil production. I am quite surprised that Obama did not use the names Exxon, Chevron, Shell, Oxy and BP in his statement, but I am sure he has his reasons. Using principles of critical evaluation of speech, everything that Obama reads off the teleprompter is EXACTLY what his speechwriters want us to hear. He probably is saving those remarks for a latter date.<br />
My point goes further in that Obama uses 1.8 BBO as the savings over the life of these cars, without mentioning the timeframe. If we are to assume 7 years as the useful lifetime of an Obamamobile, then the net savings of oil in 2016 will be around 700,000 barrels of oil per day, about what we import from the unheralded Angola now.<br />
But the statement of, &#8220;we will save more oil than what we currently import from Angola&#8221; just doesn&#8217;t have the same cache, does it? I am thinking that the 1.8 BBO savings is rectally extracted anyway, like so many of his numbers (i.e., &#8220;saving&#8221; 5 million jobs with the &#8220;Stimulus &#8221; package).</p>
<p>He routinely twists facts to spin his story to make weak minded American stand back in awe of his &#8220;magical powers&#8221;. </p>
<p>Sorry, I am not one of them, and I am not going to sing &#8220;Kumbaya&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Obama to euthanize the sick with one hand while defeating global warming with the other: &#171; Over-the-Hill Oracles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama to euthanize the sick with one hand while defeating global warming with the other: &#171; Over-the-Hill Oracles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 12:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more here. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Climate goals urged in car rescue plansNine out [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Needs of the Many</title>
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		<dc:creator>Needs of the Many</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 06:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Comprehensive Link List Disproving Man-Made Global&#160;Warming...&lt;/strong&gt;

I&#8217;ve had a ton of requests for more global warming information.  I don&#8217;t focus on it as much as I did at the previous site, but I&#8217;ve started a link list to help you find global warming info quickly.  I&#8217;m avoiding blog posts in t...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Comprehensive Link List Disproving Man-Made Global&nbsp;Warming&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had a ton of requests for more global warming information.  I don&#8217;t focus on it as much as I did at the previous site, but I&#8217;ve started a link list to help you find global warming info quickly.  I&#8217;m avoiding blog posts in t&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dreadnought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dreadnought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 05:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised more people aren&#039;t up in arms about the pending Cash for Clunkers legislation, which amounts to another bailout for auto companies (through your tax dollars) and which will increase car prices for non-subsidized individuals (by increasing demand through government subsidy to select individuals). 

Also Cash for Clunkers creates yet another moral hazard by bailing out individuals who bought gas guzzling cars and trucks at the expense of those who bought more efficient vehicles. More nice going by Chuck Schumer and the usual gang of idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised more people aren&#8217;t up in arms about the pending Cash for Clunkers legislation, which amounts to another bailout for auto companies (through your tax dollars) and which will increase car prices for non-subsidized individuals (by increasing demand through government subsidy to select individuals). </p>
<p>Also Cash for Clunkers creates yet another moral hazard by bailing out individuals who bought gas guzzling cars and trucks at the expense of those who bought more efficient vehicles. More nice going by Chuck Schumer and the usual gang of idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: Dreadnought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dreadnought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 05:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And today’s new cars all come with Onstar, GPS, built-in DVD players w/screens (two of ‘em in minivans), backup sensor/alerts, automatic on/off headlights, separate climate controls for driver-side/passenger-side, etc. A whole lot of extras that I am not at all interested in and could happily live without, but I have to pay for anyway. These are standard items that all add up to a good deal more than $1,300. The automakers have been adding on all these gadgets and gizmos, unit by unit, over the years, while resisting improvements in gas mileage because (so they say) it would make their cars too expensive.

Now, an additional 5 mpg to 8 mpg better gas mileage IS something that I would be interested in, but that is not something that the automakers offer. The car companies add gizmos and gadgets galore, and charge for them without a second thought. But to actually improve the car’s gas mileage performance - Oh, Heavens; oh dear, OH MY, that would be too expensive - why, why, er, the customer would never stand for it, (they say/they moan).

And I call major BS on all of them. Obama’s pet car czar doesn’t have a clue, but neither do the automakers. I am curious to find out who, in the end, is actually worse at running the car companies: Obama’s car czar, or current management?

ss396 on May 19, 2009 at 4:25 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

While I&#039;m with you on the unneeded auto options (my pet peeve is with sunroofs, it is virtually impossible to buy the type of car I want without one of those damn useless holes in the roof)-I don&#039;t recall any car makers (even American) claiming that increasing fuel efficiency per se would cause their costs to rise.

What they do claim is that the vehicles won&#039;t sell. Modern engines are so much more efficient than engines from 20 or even 10 years ago (and much cleaner I might add) but that efficiency has been put to use to add more power to fairly large engines, rather than creating the same amount of horsepower that was common in large engines a couple of decades ago, in smaller more fuel efficient engines. 

Because that is what sells. 

A 1987 Buick Regal with a Buick 3.8 liter 6 cylinder engine put out 110 horsepower. A 2009 Cadillac CTS with a 3.6 liter 6 cylinder creates 270 horsepower-an Infiniti G37 with a 3.7 liter produces 330 horsepower-the same size 2009 engine produces triple the power of the 1987 engine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And today’s new cars all come with Onstar, GPS, built-in DVD players w/screens (two of ‘em in minivans), backup sensor/alerts, automatic on/off headlights, separate climate controls for driver-side/passenger-side, etc. A whole lot of extras that I am not at all interested in and could happily live without, but I have to pay for anyway. These are standard items that all add up to a good deal more than $1,300. The automakers have been adding on all these gadgets and gizmos, unit by unit, over the years, while resisting improvements in gas mileage because (so they say) it would make their cars too expensive.</p>
<p>Now, an additional 5 mpg to 8 mpg better gas mileage IS something that I would be interested in, but that is not something that the automakers offer. The car companies add gizmos and gadgets galore, and charge for them without a second thought. But to actually improve the car’s gas mileage performance &#8211; Oh, Heavens; oh dear, OH MY, that would be too expensive &#8211; why, why, er, the customer would never stand for it, (they say/they moan).</p>
<p>And I call major BS on all of them. Obama’s pet car czar doesn’t have a clue, but neither do the automakers. I am curious to find out who, in the end, is actually worse at running the car companies: Obama’s car czar, or current management?</p>
<p>ss396 on May 19, 2009 at 4:25 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>While I&#8217;m with you on the unneeded auto options (my pet peeve is with sunroofs, it is virtually impossible to buy the type of car I want without one of those damn useless holes in the roof)-I don&#8217;t recall any car makers (even American) claiming that increasing fuel efficiency per se would cause their costs to rise.</p>
<p>What they do claim is that the vehicles won&#8217;t sell. Modern engines are so much more efficient than engines from 20 or even 10 years ago (and much cleaner I might add) but that efficiency has been put to use to add more power to fairly large engines, rather than creating the same amount of horsepower that was common in large engines a couple of decades ago, in smaller more fuel efficient engines. </p>
<p>Because that is what sells. </p>
<p>A 1987 Buick Regal with a Buick 3.8 liter 6 cylinder engine put out 110 horsepower. A 2009 Cadillac CTS with a 3.6 liter 6 cylinder creates 270 horsepower-an Infiniti G37 with a 3.7 liter produces 330 horsepower-the same size 2009 engine produces triple the power of the 1987 engine.</p>
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		<title>By: DieHippieDie</title>
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		<dc:creator>DieHippieDie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 04:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think obama is trying to reach all those people who he was not able to abort by making cars smaller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think obama is trying to reach all those people who he was not able to abort by making cars smaller.</p>
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		<title>By: YankeeinCA</title>
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		<dc:creator>YankeeinCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 04:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Milady&quot;, my 2003 Lincoln Continental will graciously and happily transport me for a long time.  Gas prices and O be damned.  God forbid, I am crashed into..I will survive.
Those in &quot;death traps&#039; will not, therefore, my darling Milady will not be replaced in the future</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Milady&#8221;, my 2003 Lincoln Continental will graciously and happily transport me for a long time.  Gas prices and O be damned.  God forbid, I am crashed into..I will survive.<br />
Those in &#8220;death traps&#8217; will not, therefore, my darling Milady will not be replaced in the future</p>
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		<title>By: DWB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 03:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s a marvelously &lt;strike&gt;designed&lt;/strike&gt;evolved system,

oldleprechaun on May 19, 2009 at 4:36 PM

There.  Fixed.  

I wonder though.  Will the system continue to &quot;evolve&quot; or just &quot;die&quot; from man and his immoral c02?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s a marvelously <strike>designed</strike>evolved system,</p>
<p>oldleprechaun on May 19, 2009 at 4:36 PM</p>
<p>There.  Fixed.  </p>
<p>I wonder though.  Will the system continue to &#8220;evolve&#8221; or just &#8220;die&#8221; from man and his immoral c02?</p>
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		<title>By: TN Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>TN Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 02:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The measures are significant steps forward for the administration’s &lt;strike&gt;energy&lt;/strike&gt; agenda &lt;strong&gt;to get everyone to ride the trains...&lt;/strong&gt;

Remember the $1Billion in the Stimulus for Amtract and Harry Reids (Smelly Tourist) $Billion Train??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The measures are significant steps forward for the administration’s <strike>energy</strike> agenda <strong>to get everyone to ride the trains&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Remember the $1Billion in the Stimulus for Amtract and Harry Reids (Smelly Tourist) $Billion Train??</p>
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		<title>By: jonknee</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 02:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m all for going back to cheap leaded gasoline. All the trouble started when THEY changed to unleaded. Not to mention all the damage unleaded ethenol goes to small and marine engines.

Friendly21 on May 19, 2009 at 7:21 PM
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Seriously? Lead in gas doesn&#039;t make it cheaper and it would actually do damage to your car these days (it bunks the catalytic converter and oxygen sensors). Lead is a powerful neurotoxin and not releasing thousands of tons of it into our air every year is a very good thing. If you think CAFE &quot;kills&quot; people, leaded gasoline is a veritable slaughter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m all for going back to cheap leaded gasoline. All the trouble started when THEY changed to unleaded. Not to mention all the damage unleaded ethenol goes to small and marine engines.</p>
<p>Friendly21 on May 19, 2009 at 7:21 PM
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<p>Seriously? Lead in gas doesn&#8217;t make it cheaper and it would actually do damage to your car these days (it bunks the catalytic converter and oxygen sensors). Lead is a powerful neurotoxin and not releasing thousands of tons of it into our air every year is a very good thing. If you think CAFE &#8220;kills&#8221; people, leaded gasoline is a veritable slaughter.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Obama escalates his war on the American people &#124; BitsBlog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] died.    Yet Corporate Average Fuel Efficiency standards are already killing people,  Karl, Hot Air: As for the increased motorist deaths, which the National Academy of Sciences once estimated at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] died.    Yet Corporate Average Fuel Efficiency standards are already killing people,  Karl, Hot Air: As for the increased motorist deaths, which the National Academy of Sciences once estimated at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Who Doesn&#8217;t Want Fuel Efficient Cars? &#171; Appeal To Heaven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who Doesn&#8217;t Want Fuel Efficient Cars? &#171; Appeal To Heaven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 23:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] can read some other perspectives on this issue at: Politico, Time, The Washington Post, Hot Air, Michelle Malkin, The Heritage Foundation, and Steve Milloy&#8217;s Blog &#8211; just to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] can read some other perspectives on this issue at: Politico, Time, The Washington Post, Hot Air, Michelle Malkin, The Heritage Foundation, and Steve Milloy&#8217;s Blog &#8211; just to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Friendly21</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 23:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for going back to cheap leaded gasoline. All the trouble started when THEY changed to unleaded. Not to mention all the damage unleaded ethenol goes to small and marine engines.</description>
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		<title>By: ProudPalinFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProudPalinFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 23:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanna see where would I put my giant breed dog, along with the family, luggage and so forth when we get out of town; when we have to haul or stuff the car up (pile up wood) for the winter, and all those hunters that have to somehow put a whole buck on top of a Yaris.  Not to mention mooses/sarc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanna see where would I put my giant breed dog, along with the family, luggage and so forth when we get out of town; when we have to haul or stuff the car up (pile up wood) for the winter, and all those hunters that have to somehow put a whole buck on top of a Yaris.  Not to mention mooses/sarc</p>
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		<title>By: jonknee</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonknee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF OBAMA”S DISINGENUOUS TORTURE OF FACTS

Paraphrasing a point in his teleprompter read today -
This action will save more oil than all the oil the US imported from Saudi Arabia, Lybia and Venezuala.

In reality, the US gets relatively no oil from these 3 countries. Most of our imports are from Canada and Mexico.

gonnjos on May 19, 2009 at 5:08 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re letting your partisan blinders get in the way. We get massive amounts of oil from Saudi Arabia and Venezuela (about a million barrels a day from each). Saudi Arabia and Mexico are about even, depending on the quarter one is more than the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF OBAMA”S DISINGENUOUS TORTURE OF FACTS</p>
<p>Paraphrasing a point in his teleprompter read today -<br />
This action will save more oil than all the oil the US imported from Saudi Arabia, Lybia and Venezuala.</p>
<p>In reality, the US gets relatively no oil from these 3 countries. Most of our imports are from Canada and Mexico.</p>
<p>gonnjos on May 19, 2009 at 5:08 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re letting your partisan blinders get in the way. We get massive amounts of oil from Saudi Arabia and Venezuela (about a million barrels a day from each). Saudi Arabia and Mexico are about even, depending on the quarter one is more than the other.</p>
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		<title>By: ss396</title>
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		<dc:creator>ss396</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The point - gizmos are a reflection of aggregate demand. CAFE is not.

hawksruleva on May 19, 2009 at 4:37 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

True enough; you just have to order the car specially without all that stuff on it.  And, yes, I have done so.  I am not convinced, however, that aggregate demand drives all of the add-ons.  The profit is not in the new car sales; it&#039;s in the markup on these add-ons (and on the after-sales market, the shop, and the used cars).  If I don&#039;t want a DVD player, the dealer will knock $125 off the sales price, since that is what it cost him (he says).  But he doesn&#039;t knock the $250 profit that he was making on the unit in the first place, unless I, the buyer, know to insist on that, too.  The American public is not generally a society of bargainers; we are not (generally) practiced in knowing how to drive the &quot;hidden charges&quot; out of the deal.  So the manufacturers load up the vehicles with all this profit-generating stuff, and wait for you to know how to nickle-and-dime it all back out.  When you&#039;re looking at $25k and up for a vehicle, what&#039;s a couple hundred bucks here and there?  

I don&#039;t begrudge them their profit, and any additional charges that they manage to get.  All that I&#039;m saying is that I don&#039;t care to hear their BS about how increased gas mileage in the absence of government mandate would have made cars too expensive for the American consumer.  

There is a big market for books on how to buy cars without getting taken, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The point &#8211; gizmos are a reflection of aggregate demand. CAFE is not.</p>
<p>hawksruleva on May 19, 2009 at 4:37 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>True enough; you just have to order the car specially without all that stuff on it.  And, yes, I have done so.  I am not convinced, however, that aggregate demand drives all of the add-ons.  The profit is not in the new car sales; it&#8217;s in the markup on these add-ons (and on the after-sales market, the shop, and the used cars).  If I don&#8217;t want a DVD player, the dealer will knock $125 off the sales price, since that is what it cost him (he says).  But he doesn&#8217;t knock the $250 profit that he was making on the unit in the first place, unless I, the buyer, know to insist on that, too.  The American public is not generally a society of bargainers; we are not (generally) practiced in knowing how to drive the &#8220;hidden charges&#8221; out of the deal.  So the manufacturers load up the vehicles with all this profit-generating stuff, and wait for you to know how to nickle-and-dime it all back out.  When you&#8217;re looking at $25k and up for a vehicle, what&#8217;s a couple hundred bucks here and there?  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t begrudge them their profit, and any additional charges that they manage to get.  All that I&#8217;m saying is that I don&#8217;t care to hear their BS about how increased gas mileage in the absence of government mandate would have made cars too expensive for the American consumer.  </p>
<p>There is a big market for books on how to buy cars without getting taken, too.</p>
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