Video: Obama and Netanyahu waste each other’s time; Update: Six more months for Iran
posted at 4:15 pm on May 18, 2009 by Allahpundit
“The moment of truth is at hand,” declares a Haaretz op-ed contributor, before declaring The One the second coming of Jimmy Carter. In reality, there’s no truth to this moment. Obama agrees that Iran’s a very grave threat which we’ll have to address one of these days (but not now) and Bibi agrees that a Palestinian state is very important and he’ll get right on it once the Palestinians acknowledge Israel is a Jewish state (which they’ll never do). It’s a sort of good cop/bad cop routine, starring Obama as the voice of reason who’s trying to get Iran to play ball before his hot-tempered partner loses patience and roughs them up.
What this meeting was really about, as Time explains, is deciding which one of those two issues to prioritize over the other. Ever mindful of his legacy, The One wants to settle the Palestinian question before confronting Iran — even though it’s the latter, not the former, where there’s no time to spare, and even though successful resolution of the latter would greatly increase the odds for a successful resolution of the former rather than vice versa. Consider: If Iran is defanged and steps back from its initiative to seed the region with proxies, Hamas loses its patron and peace becomes more likely. If, on the other hand, the Palestinians are somehow recognized as a state before Iran is dealt with — then what? Obama seems to think this will give Arabs across the region political cover to rally behind their new friend Israel, leading Iran to back down and give up its nuke program, but (a) if it’s true, as the left pretends, that Iran accelerated its nuke program because it felt threatened by hostile powers nearby (Israel and U.S. troops in Iraq), then a united Sunni/Israel front should only exacerbate the problem and (b) even Obama can’t be so naive as to think a Palestinian state will mean a sea change in Arab attitudes overnight, which is what it would take for this strategy to affect Iran before they build a bomb. Forty percent of Israeli Arabs are Holocaust deniers and barely half think the country they live in deserves to exist; with opinion among non-Israeli Arabs doubtless even grimmer than that, the best Israel could hope for from Arab leaders after a Palestinian state is formed is quiet neutrality between it and Tehran. Which is to say, Palestinian peace isn’t in fact a necessary prerequisite to dealing with Iran — but then, universal health care isn’t a necessary prerequisite to dealing with monstrous deficits either, no matter what Obama says. Funny how every time there’s a crisis The One has to deal with, the only “solution” involves some piece of his agenda that he would have been pushing anyway.
Meanwhile, although it’s not being widely reported today, the odds of a productive “dialogue” with Iran just got a lot smaller.
Obama and Netanyahu will likely be working with the same president after Iran’s June 12 elections, though, after Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei all but endorsed President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for another term Monday, saying Iranians should not vote in someone who “thinks about endearing himself to some Western power.” A prominent opposition candidate has challenged Ahmadinejad on Holocaust denial and other moves that intentionally antagonize the West…
As the leaders met Monday, Iran’s parliament speaker, Ali Larijani, gave a speech stating “that under no circumstances will the Islamic Republic of Iran recognize the Zionist regime and believes that any country doing so would be defamed among nations,” according to a summary from the official Islamic Republic News Agency.
According to a new poll of Israelis, just 31 percent think Obama is pro-Israel. Bush’s numbers during his presidency: 88 percent. Click the image to watch.
Update: No rush.
Speaking to reporters after meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Obama offered assurances that he did not intend for talks with Iran to become “an excuse for inaction,” a major concern of Israeli officials worried that Tehran will string out talks while making progress toward acquiring a nuclear weapon.
But he also made clear that he was prepared to wait months for Iran to respond to the U.S. offer of better ties in return for halting its nuclear activities. He emphasized that the year-end timetable would be for assessing whether the diplomatic effort was “moving in the right direction,” not a deadline for reaching a final agreement with Iran on halting its nuclear activities.
“By the end of the year I think we should have some sense as to whether or not the talks are having some benefit,” Obama said.
Politico made another nice catch: Whereas Netanyahu wants any deal with Iran to ensure they’re not capable of building a bomb, Obama seems ready to settle for a deal so long as they don’t have a bomb built yet. Which sets us up nicely for a Saddam/WMD redux a few years down the road.











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Does Obama really think that Iran is gonna comply?
What alternate universe does he live in? (rhet)
bluelightbrigade on May 18, 2009 at 4:18 PM
The burning question is:
Did Bibi get himself an iPod or DVD’s?????
It’s gonna get interesting in the Middle East with Jimmah Cartah 2: Electric Boogaloo ready, willing, and able to screw over the Israelis in a second….
mjk on May 18, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Funny how they aren’t rushing to move into a country controlled by some of their ideological bretheren.
BadgerHawk on May 18, 2009 at 4:21 PM
And the irony of the year award goes to:
Yikes.
spmat on May 18, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Obama bought him some bacon.
Daggett on May 18, 2009 at 4:22 PM
I’m thinking more like Keystone Cops…….
BobMbx on May 18, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Obama just wants to stall everything until he’s reelected.
faraway on May 18, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Bibi looked into his eyes and didn’t say he saw his soul.
Limerick on May 18, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Translation: 31% of Israelis aren’t paying attention.
Daggett on May 18, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Meeting with The Precedent about Israel is a fruitless adventure and only lends some credibility to his asinine, anti-Israeli views. Bibi should have canceled the meeting. Israel is on its own and they had better realize that as soon as possible.
progressoverpeace on May 18, 2009 at 4:24 PM
The united (though nut publicly so) Sunni/Israel front should push Obama to prioritize Iran, but it doesn’t. Why? Aside from his general Leftist antipathy to Israel — reflected by the staffing of his administration — there is the small matter of getting Russia and China onboard against Iran. The One doesn’t seem any more capable of getting that to happen than any of his other foreign policy fantasies.
Karl on May 18, 2009 at 4:25 PM
I laughed a little at that. It’s sad and funny at the same time….
mjk on May 18, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Oh, I don’t think it was a waste of time. Netanyahu needs the video footage of Obama being a git. Obama needs the video footage of Netanyahu smiling and looking polite while in the same room with him. We’ll all have our different opinions of how they will incorporate this footage into their respective policy thrusts. But they both got what they needed.
I hope Bibi liked the Shamwows. I’m sure Obama sprang for the package of six.
J.E. Dyer on May 18, 2009 at 4:26 PM
… and then not do anything at all after that point, either.
UltimateBob on May 18, 2009 at 4:27 PM
And probably 95% of American Jews voted for him anyway.
He may be content to see Israel obliterated–but hey!!! He’s got a “D” after his name!!!
__________
RJGatorEsq. on May 18, 2009 at 4:27 PM
And yet they still vote for him. Stupid.
deidre on May 18, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Israel driving German subs. That is just desserts. Those German SSKs can make Qum glow in the dark.
Limerick on May 18, 2009 at 4:28 PM
How many of the 300 foreign policy advisors will it take to decode that message?
Suggested interpretations:
“Iran today signalled it’s willingness to discuss the Middle East peace process”
or
“President Obama applauds Iran’s decision to open a dialogue concerning the recognition of Israel”
BobMbx on May 18, 2009 at 4:28 PM
I like the title to this post b/c that’s exactly what they did. Hell, Bibi wasted all that jet fuel and could have saved the planet of some carbon had he just chilled in Jerusalem.
youngO on May 18, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Yes, we “solve” the Palestinian-Israeli issue and the scales will drop from the eyes of the Islamic and Arab world, they’ll recognize Israel, and the Iranians will see that their quest for a nuclear bomb has no support. They’ll abandon it.
Because the Arab and Islamic world wants a two-state solution, you see.
And Iran will be isolated afterwards.
Some people never give up believing in fairy tales, do they?
SteveMG on May 18, 2009 at 4:29 PM
I love this “they waste each other’s time”. Because previous administrations have solved so many problems in the region.
I don’t get why they need to formally acknowledge Israel as a Jewish state. Of course, they’ll never do it. Who would? Is it now a virtue for an entire country to be ethnically and religiously pure. Even on paper?
I’m all for the principle that if you don’t accept Israel’s very existence, you’re basically at war with Israel, and as such they hand are untied. However, is there no middle ground at all as far as negotiations?
Like demand that they accept Israel’s sovereignty and then claim that you have problems with some of their policies? Again, I know that people will prefer to put words in my mouth and claim that my intentions are not what I’m describing them to be. I think as a practical matter force will be the main tool of Israel to solve the Iranian problem, and it’s not Israel’s fault.
Still, as a matter of principle, what other country can declare itself to be definitionally home just for people of particular ethnicity or religious affiliation?
radiofreevillage on May 18, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Iran with nukes means that sooner or later, Israel will cease to exist. Bibi knows that.
a capella on May 18, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Obama thinks that Iran is impressed with him, so they will comply.
To that I say ROFLMAO ….
tarpon on May 18, 2009 at 4:30 PM
I should assume you mean the ISRAELIS that have American citizenship still, not the 31 percent of Israelis who think Obama is Pro-Israel. Because opens up a completely different can of worms.
mjk on May 18, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Obama is either:
1. Pro-Jihad
2. Hopelessly ignorant and naive
Neither possibility is a good thing.
wildcat84 on May 18, 2009 at 4:30 PM
San Francisco?
Limerick on May 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Let’s see. Iran funds weapons, that get shot into Israel, often, from the Palestinian side, and Benjamin is the one, who is to concede everything? All the while, Iran has been foaming at the mouth, to nuke Israel off the map.
Wow Obama. I am no politician, but even I can find the shred of common sense in this. Why can’t you?
capejasmine on May 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Better men than Giggles have tried to settle the Palestinian question. They all failed. What makes Giggles think he’s any different? Oh yeah, he’s “Teh One”. He believes his own hype machine. Sorry.
crazy_legs on May 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Yup, sorry! should have explained myself better.
deidre on May 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM
So, all ye souls of the Hebrew following pleased that you voted for Obama now? I’m really interested to know the answer.
PappaMac on May 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM
You know what “Itbach Al-Yahud” means, sweetpea? Because the last time I was in an Arab country, they were yelling that. For no reason whatsoever.
Arab countries and the Persian one want to try every single Jew into the sea. They want to finish what Hitler started. If you can’t figure that out without my spoonfeeding you, maybe you should stay in the “Michelle Obama is hot” threads.
mjk on May 18, 2009 at 4:33 PM
A Persian flying carpet and a genie lamp to be used to eliminate Iranian nuclear weapons.
Obama to Bibi: You’re on your own with Iran.
Bibi to Obama: No kidding. Do me a favor, don’t shoot down our planes over Iraq, and we’re cool. But when it comes to Pockyston, you’re on your own.
Steve Z on May 18, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Who do I trust?
Bibi?
Barry?
It ain’t Barry.
Limerick on May 18, 2009 at 4:33 PM
I assumed that’s what you meant anyway.
:)
mjk on May 18, 2009 at 4:33 PM
The meeting of the mimes–empty gestures and empty words.
RandyChandler on May 18, 2009 at 4:33 PM
This headline comes as a shock to exactly one person, who happens to be mentioned in said headline.
Snowed In on May 18, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Are you Republicans ready to go to war with China to secure “freedom and democracy” for Taiwan?
How about we go to war with Russia to defend Georgia’s “freedom and democracy”.
No? Then why play favorites with Israel? Why go to war with practically the entire Middle East to defend Israel?
MedSchoolCatholic on May 18, 2009 at 4:36 PM
American Jews who voted for Obama basically have sold their birthright for a couple of cocktail weanies (not even Kosher) and the right to hang around with the “cool” people.
kingsjester on May 18, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Because Obama left it with Jeremiah Wright.
Steve Z on May 18, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!
Ooo weee ooo weee oooo!
blatantblue on May 18, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Still, as a matter of principle, what other country can declare itself to be definitionally home just for people of particular ethnicity or religious affiliation?
radiofreevillage on May 18, 2009 at 4:29 PM
uhhh, Iran and every other middle-eastern country.
youngO on May 18, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Shhhhh! Dont tell anyone, but I heard that Barry gave Bibi a “Best of Wanda Sykes” video…..
kayo on May 18, 2009 at 4:37 PM
What other peoples, besides Jews, has the world been out to destroy, and almost accomplished a little over a half century ago?
After seeing the insane Jew hate that erupted because Israel tried to defend itself against the savages in Gaza, there’s no question that Israel must remain Jewish. Anyone who doesn’t understand that is a moron.
P.S. How many whites are Chinese citizens or Japanese citizens? Most countries are ethnic in nature and make no bones about it. The UN has supported ethnic transfers all over the place and everyone seems to happy with transferring Jews out of the territories.
progressoverpeace on May 18, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Because some men just need killin. You don’t agree? Move your wife to Mogadishu.
Limerick on May 18, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Well, they’ve stopped invasions into other countries, removed terrorist regimes, gotten some Arab nations to recognize Israel, and established another democracy by the removal of a murderous dictator.
Egypt and Jordan?
amerpundit on May 18, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Teh One wants to settle what couldn’t be settled in 2000 years…? He actually believes that he is the Messiah.
Bibi better hit the bastards quick, and whatever happens don’t let the US know when or where. Teh One would sell the Israelis out in a second.
Kuffar on May 18, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Fixed It For Him.
Steve Z on May 18, 2009 at 4:38 PM
The Islamic Republic of Iran?
myrenovations on May 18, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Too bad Europe decided to throw them into Palestine in 1948, but now that they are there, the Palis are making no effort to get along.
blatantblue on May 18, 2009 at 4:39 PM
How could the Jews vote for this man in such high percentages?
jukin on May 18, 2009 at 4:39 PM
The level of naivete in this administration is astounding. The rest if the Arabs rallying to the new found friend Israel under any scenario is ridiculous.
Do what you have to do Israel, God be with you and your people.
FireBlogger on May 18, 2009 at 4:39 PM
MedSchoolCatholic on May 18, 2009 at 4:36 PM
now would not be a good time to call HA readers republicans genius
youngO on May 18, 2009 at 4:40 PM
I had to read and re-read your post trying to make sense of it, silly me.
thomasaur on May 18, 2009 at 4:40 PM
How about Obama first sits down with Hamas (Gaza government) and Fatah (West Bank government) and gets them to make peace? It’s kind of ridiculous to expect Israel to make peace with the Palestinians when they consistently show that they can’t make peace with each other.
Phoenician on May 18, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Because hitting Iran is germane to American interest, not Israel’s. America has to stop Iran from getting nukes at any cost or risk one of its cities vaporized.
promachus on May 18, 2009 at 4:40 PM
we’re on the same page
youngO on May 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Our military position has stopped China from attempting to grab Taiwan back. And now it’s making some outreach to the country.
Had the United States not been there, don’t think Russia would’ve stopped and withdrawn.
Because Israel is an ally. You defend allies. Especially when the people around them are talking about wiping the nation off the map.
amerpundit on May 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM
American liberal Jews have forgotten.
They helped elect a dangerous child to the Oval office.
Wasting the time of Netanyahu, bad, Wasting Obam’s time, good.
Speakup on May 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Obama bought him some bacon.
Daggett on May 18, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Lunch was pepperoni pizza.
rbj on May 18, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Barely half of Arabs living in Israel deny its right to exist? Just about the same percentage as liberals living in the US.
Oh, to have been a fly on the wall of that meeting. I am sure that Mr. N let Mr. O know exactly where he stood. And I’m sure that Mr. O had his extra large earplugs inserted deeply in his ear canals, all the while saying “laa, laa, laa, laa… I can’t hear you, Bibi! Doesn’t fit the narrative!”
turfmann on May 18, 2009 at 4:42 PM
No.
radiofreevillage on May 18, 2009 at 4:42 PM
So let`s lay out some options. We have to keep those straights clear so the oil can still flow. How do we (or most likely, Israel) pull off an attack and keep it open?
Or do we accept $500 oil? And don`t go nucking futs on me, I`m just asking.
ThePrez on May 18, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Saudi Arabia.
bluelightbrigade on May 18, 2009 at 4:43 PM
If Iran has nuked Israel?
Hussein is by far the weakest link!!
christene on May 18, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Good point
I’m all about the shale oil and methane hydrate, but yes, a war with Iran would probably blast prices sky high
blatantblue on May 18, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Yet another Democrat president sows the seeds of someone else cleaning up their mess years down the road…
catmman on May 18, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Heh….it was the U.N. Costa Rica was the over the top vote.
Besides, I’ve yet to meet a single leftard who can point to any map of the M.E. in history that has the nation of Palestine on it. Simple fact, Ben Gurion and Meier offered up Jerusalam as an international city if the Arabs wouldn’t attack. The Arabs declined and Israel claimed the right of conquest.
Liberal’s cry foul. They can cry all they want. Zion is our sister. If someone won’t defend their sister then they aren’t worth saving.
Limerick on May 18, 2009 at 4:44 PM
I must have misinterpreted the question. I thought you were asking who would “formally acknowledge Israel as a Jewish state”. I was answering that the Egyptian–Israeli Peace Treaty and Israel–Jordan Treaty of Peace did just that. What were you asking?
amerpundit on May 18, 2009 at 4:44 PM
No, for he is the Kwisatz Haderach. (Just wait, his eyes’ will turn blue…)
BobMbx on May 18, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Nowhere in those treaties is there a recognition of Israel “as a Jewish state”.
radiofreevillage on May 18, 2009 at 4:45 PM
P.S. To presume that this is what modern Israel has done is a historical error.
bluelightbrigade on May 18, 2009 at 4:45 PM
They both recognize Israel’s right to exist. Is that not what you were asking?
myrenovations on May 18, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Maybe this is why?
RepubChica on May 18, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Because it ends the Palestinian claims to a ‘right of return’.
Um, how about most of the rest of the free world? Including America.
Israel neither is nor expects to be ‘ethnically and religiously pure’. They claim the right, as does virtually every other country in the world, to control its immigration policies in a way that is in its own self-interests. And since Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, they have to maintain a Jewish majority.
Pakistan.
ProfessorMiao on May 18, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Jordan has told the Palestinians that they must recognize that.
myrenovations on May 18, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Well, it was the policy of the British at least to bring the Jews to Palestine since 1917 when Balfour wrote Rothschild.
But that is funny about Costa Rica.
The whole placing people into Palestine plays into the greater insanity that occurred all over Africa and the Mideast during decolonization.
But like I said, the Jews are there now, and we must stand by them against Hamas and Iran, and other enemies.
blatantblue on May 18, 2009 at 4:47 PM
U.N. resolution 181, 1947
recognized Israel as a “Jewish State”.
Don’t like it? Don’t read history.
Limerick on May 18, 2009 at 4:48 PM
That’s not true. Aside from the fact that Jews have always lived in the area, the Zionists started moving down in the late 19th century, with the Rothschilds and others having bought (at exhorbitant prices) more than a third of what became Israel from the local sheiks, who then turned around and claimed that they hadn’t sold the land (which is a typical arab tactic). The UN did nothing for Israel, as Israel had to fight its way into existence, anyway, and the UN has been working to destroy Israel ever since. Israel’s biggest mistake was waiting for the UN declaration, instead of just declaring the state, themselves.
progressoverpeace on May 18, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Imperial Japan.
Communist China.
Should I go on?
bluelightbrigade on May 18, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Yes. Exactly. Those are the countries who were never demanded to formally acknowledge Israel “as a Jewish state”. They acknowledged it as a sovereign nation that they recognize.
This is precisely my point.
I’m not saying removal of this requirement will singlehandedly solve the Iranian problem. But clearly this requirement is not necessary.
radiofreevillage on May 18, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Why does the definition bother you?
What % of Israel is Jewish (race)?
What % of the Arab nations are Arab?
What % of China is Chinese?
By the way, did you know that Arabs are Semitic? Anti-Semitism has come to mean “Anti-Jew” but strictly speaking, Arabs are Semitic people (in the line of Shem), too. They all trace their lineage to Abraham. Just an FYI in case you want to discuss race.
Daggett on May 18, 2009 at 4:49 PM
You missed something.
bluelightbrigade on May 18, 2009 at 4:50 PM
The poll included the same Israeli Arabs who think there was no Holocaust. Betcha they think Al Burack is pro Israel.
Aristotle on May 18, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Obama has no love for Israel,the Liberal Party as well,and
especially the Anti-War Moonbats,and this President is an
activist,period!
Israel’s very existence is at stake,and what does Obama
want to discuss,a State for the Palestinians!
PRIORITY NUMBER 1,shound be to ensure Israels survival,and
deal with Iran’s nuclear weapon program,ASAP!!!!!!!!!!
However Obama wants to speak of HOPE and a Palestaian State
which at this present moment is suicide for Israel!
BiBi is a man of action,and I`m sure he rolled his eyes in
discussing peace with Obama,because Hopey is adamant at se-
curing the Palestains a future at Isreal`s expense!!
Today is the day,where rubber hits the road and defines
Obama`s foreign policy,and so far,God help the children
of Israel and the Free World!
Presidential elections have consquences,and so far Obama`s
Administration is the most dangerous of them all,and make
no doubt about it,it is crystal clear where Obama stands
in the Middle East,and it certainly isn`t in Israels inter
est!!
Israel will have to go it alone!!
Thank-You President Obama,for acting the same as Neville
Chamberlian,
and the clock,is turned back,to
1939!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on May 18, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Thank you. Who did presume that? Or is it just a random thought hour?
radiofreevillage on May 18, 2009 at 4:50 PM
BobMbx on May 18, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Awesome!
catmman on May 18, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Ishmael.
bluelightbrigade on May 18, 2009 at 4:51 PM
The Palestinians must recognize it and give up the right of return.
Israel has offered up everything but her own head on a platter but right of return is the sitckey wicket.
myrenovations on May 18, 2009 at 4:51 PM
…..And those 31% would be mistaken!!
.
Lets not forget the the Jewish community vote overwhelmingly (about 78%) for Obama.
JeffVader on May 18, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Nice try…
bluelightbrigade on May 18, 2009 at 4:52 PM
The American Jewish community. What does that have to do with the price of eggs?
Limerick on May 18, 2009 at 4:52 PM
So did Jimmuh Carter. He only confronted his Iranian ALLY.
So did George H. W. Bush.
So did Bill Clinton.
So did George W. Bush.
Now, so does Obummer. Anyone notice a pattern here? Which is more dangerous, a ragtag bunch of Arabs with a few rocks and unguided rockets, or a nuclear-armed nation of 70 million in search of 72 virgins each?
Ignore that elephant in the room. But kill the mosquito!
Steve Z on May 18, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Iran could perhaps be equated to owning a car, buy a filter and keep contaminates out of the oil now, or pay the much steeper price for an overhaul later.
Speakup on May 18, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Correct, but Ishmael is Abraham’s son. He’s (Biblically speaking) an illegitimate son, but he’s still the son of Abraham.
Daggett on May 18, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Only if you like these parallels.
radiofreevillage on May 18, 2009 at 4:53 PM
What did I miss?
myrenovations on May 18, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Good Headline
Netanyahu doesn’t like to waste time. Obama can yank his tail a couple times before Netanyahu can quietly give up the charade. I too am wondering what gifts were exchanged.
Some DVD’s from the Rev. Wright?
entagor on May 18, 2009 at 4:54 PM
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