The larger truth at Notre Dame
posted at 4:52 pm on May 18, 2009 by Doctor Zero
In his commencement address to Notre Dame over the weekend, President Obama said, “I do not suggest that the debate surrounding abortion can or should go away. Because no matter how much we may want to fudge it — indeed, while we know that the views of most Americans on the subject are complex and even contradictory — the fact is that at some level, the views of the two camps are irreconcilable.” The second sentence is an admirably clear statement of the abortion debate, which is driven by a disagreement over its basic terms. The first sentence is an outright lie – Barack Obama very much believes the debate on abortion should “go away,” because his political party is absolutely, fanatically devoted to the position that this debate was settled, forever, in 1973. The rest of Obama’s remarks on abortion, and much of the rest of his commencement address, was an embarrassing set of evasions that doesn’t square with Obama’s governing philosophy.
The pro-choice position holds that a pregnant woman has an absolute right to control her own body and abort an unwanted pregnancy. The pro-life side believes the life of the unborn child is a more important consideration than personal liberty. The majority of people who identify themselves as “pro-choice” do not believe the aborted fetus is a living human being with any legal rights. Some see abortion as essentially a surgical procedure to remove a clump of cells. This view is hard-coded into federal law through the Roe vs. Wade decision, which states that no legal restriction can be placed on aborting a fetus until it can potentially survive outside the mother’s womb. The majority of people who identify themselves as “pro-life” believe the unborn child is human long before it can pass this “survivability” test, so abortion involves the killing of a living human being. This is not a difference of opinion that can be resolved by “holding hands” and “building bridges.” I doubt it is a question medical science will ever resolve conclusively for us, since they’ll never develop a soul detector… and if they did, it would immediately be suppressed by politicians, to prevent it from being used on them.
When Obama gave his commencement address, he spoke as if he were addressing two equal sides of an ongoing debate awaiting resolution… but in reality, he is the head of a federal apparatus that regards the legality of abortion on demand as permanently settled, and the head of a party that regards dissension from pro-choice orthodoxy as heresy. The students at Notre Dame didn’t need to hear breezy platitudes about how they should learn to “open their hearts and minds to those who may not think precisely like they do,” a lesson Obama pompously declares himself qualified to teach. Instead, they needed to hear Barack Obama explain why he will not even consider appointing a Supreme Court justice who has the slightest criticism of the shoddy Roe vs. Wade decision. They needed to hear why the Democrat Party would never extend a pro-life speaker the courtesy Notre Dame extended to him.
It’s easy to ramble on about how everyone should be civil and learn to respect each others’ viewpoints, when your side of the debate is sitting on a Supreme Court decision that renders the opposing position illegal. Does anyone think Obama would have been singing the praises of open hearts and open minds if George Bush’s Supreme Court had struck down Roe vs. Wade, and forty states had immediately passed laws making abortion illegal, except in cases of forced pregnancy and medical necessity? Would he have secured the Democrat nomination if he’d spent 2008 lecturing the Democrat base about how “differences of culture and religion and conviction can co-exist with friendship, civility, hospitality, and especially love,” without federal law mandating that those will always be differences of opinion, rather than differences in policy? If abortion had been legally outlawed in some states, would the media allow a pro-life president to tell a student body how much he honors their consciences, without pointing out how an oppressive law has rendered their conscience irrelevant?
The last thing anyone in the Democrat Party wants to do is have a genuine debate, with serious consequences, against the pro-life movement. The best liberals can bring themselves to do is offer tepid acknowledgement that another side to the debate exists, which you can barely hear over the sound of the liberal congratulating himself for the openness of his mind. Pro-life demonstrators have already been classified as incipient terrorists by Obama’s Department of Homeland Security, and now they’ve been compared to night-riding vigilantes… by the leader of a Catholic school, no less. As with the opponents of same-sex marriage, those who strongly oppose abortion on demand are told their beliefs are permanently trumped by legal decisions and court interpretations, and they should content themselves with dropping a card into the national complaint box, where the government’s customer-service department will review it and get back to them later. Your opinion matters to us! Have a nice day!
Obama’s rhetorical smokescreen burns away when you remember who he is, and what positions he has supported as both senator and President. He encourages his audience to “work together to reduce the number of women seeking abortions.” How? By giving official power and funding to the young women who have been going into those federally-supported abortion clinics with video cameras, and documenting their abuses? He asserted that “too many of us view life only through the lens of immediate self-interest and crass materialism; in which the world is necessarily a zero-sum game. The strong too often dominate the weak, and too many of those with wealth and with power find all manner of justification for their own privilege in the face of poverty and injustice.” Who’s more motivated by “immediate self-interest and crass materialism,” the pro-lifers, or the people who treat unwanted pregnancies as sudden attacks of an acute disease? Isn’t it socialists who regard the world as a zero-sum game, and assign themselves the duty of spreading the wealth around to the less fortunate, who can never earn a fair piece of the economic pie for themselves because the rich and powerful are hogging all the pie? Wasn’t it “immediate self-interest and crass materialism” that led Obama’s party to conclude it had a right to steal trillions of dollars from future generations to pay off its political allies today?
Considering the Left’s obsession with lunatic environmentalism, and the way they generally describe the results of unwanted pregnancies as little more than tax liabilities for a groaning welfare state, one might think their enthusiasm for abortion on demand comes from a conviction that keeping the population down is the only way to get that pie divided efficiently. Conservatives are the ones who believe the world is better with more people in it.
Obama urged pro-lifers in his audience to “join hands in a common effort” with their opponents. He should have made it clear that they would forever be the junior partners in this common effort, and he was prepared to spare no effort in keeping it that way. If he truly respects the passion and commitment of his opponents, he won’t mind putting his party’s rigid ideology to the test against them. It’s easy to salute the spirit of competition when you’re confident you’ll be the only legal contestant.
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Everyone should be extremely troubled that this issue appears to break so neatly along party lines.
What happens when the political philosophies of 2 groups 1/3 the country in size differ so dramatically? Nothing good.
TheUnrepentantGeek on May 18, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Why is it so difficult to let the states decide? That isn’t so tough.
bopbottle on May 18, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Like President Richard Daley will listen to anyone who disagrees with him…..the President of Notre Dame is lucky he is not floating to the bottom of Lake Michigan with concrete shoes on….
SDarchitect on May 18, 2009 at 4:55 PM
//nope it’ll be GREAAAAAT!!!
Tony the Tiger voice
sven10077 on May 18, 2009 at 4:57 PM
bzzzzt!
Wrong.
Here is the Largest Truth.
1. Roe v Wade is going nowhere. You had 8 years and did nothing.
2. While 70% of high seniors would not personally have an abortion, 60% are against overturning Roe. Sigh, the question Pew forgot to ask. Your window of opportunity has closed on Roe v Wade, and you are powerless while it is in place. You have less and less power to overturn Roe every year.
3. Differentiated cell clumps do not have citizen rights that trump the rights of citizen host wombs.
strangelet on May 18, 2009 at 5:02 PM
“I won.” That’s his idea of dialogue.
Wethal on May 18, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Where does the hate come from child?
daesleeper on May 18, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Excellent composition! It underscores Obama’s “post-partisan” reputation, which is nothing more than packaged B.S. He is good at appearing to be bipartisan, while by his acts, he never fails to slap away any and all opposition. He is a two faced power hungry Marxist, posing as champion of democracy.
Star20 on May 18, 2009 at 5:06 PM
What I don’t understand is why the Democrats don’t support the rights of unborn children to live. They are claiming to be for the people, yet, if you look at their track record one might surmise that they have now become the Baby-Killer Party instead. What happened to all of their high ideals?
DL13 on May 18, 2009 at 5:06 PM
no hope, lots of shame;
workingforpigs on May 18, 2009 at 5:06 PM
The way Obama plans to “reduce” abortion is to throw contraceptives at kids and “sex education.” Which will not work, it will only increase abortions and single parenthood. Creating another demographic depended on the Government Cheese.
Irenaeus on May 18, 2009 at 5:07 PM
WRONG!
Today’s high school seniors (pro-gay marriage and obamabot as they may be) are more PRO-LIFE than any generation since Roe. Not to be crass, but every year, more aging hippies are dying off, meaning the country is turning more pro-life.
Also, the debate is framed as “overturning roe means no abortions ever” and what high school sexually active senior thinks that means is “wow if my g.f. got pregnant i’d be a dad and i couldnt hide the fact i have sex anymore”. Frame it as “let the states decide” and roe will be unpopular.
Face it, The Pro-life movement is winning. and i GUARANTEE that if gay marriage somehow is ever ‘accepted’, abortion will be seen as a moral evil to get rid of as well.
My guess: repeal of Roe by 2030
battleoflepanto1571 on May 18, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Strangelet, do you believe people have an inherent right to life? If yes, at what point in development does your clump of cells become a person? And don’t even say let’s leave it to the mother to decide. We don’t give people the right to decide to kill innocents, and at some point your clump of cells really, truly does become a person, irrespective of what the mother thinks.
We may not be able to agree at exactly when that point is – but all the more reason to always protect the fetus! If you don’t know, you err on the side of protecting life, not allowing actions that would kill it. And if you are, absolutely, sure when that clump of cells becomes a person, I want to know when that is, and how you know.
kc8ukw on May 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Everyone, for a laugh, read this sentence aloud in the voice of a conehead.
It’s awesome.
jeff_from_mpls on May 18, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Not a cell clump. A human child yet unborn.
The DNA evidence is with me. The fact that that “cell clump” cannot result in anything but a human baby is with me.
Now present you evidence on why that “cell clump” is even human. Assuming you have the guts.
TheUnrepentantGeek on May 18, 2009 at 5:12 PM
*isn’t
TheUnrepentantGeek on May 18, 2009 at 5:12 PM
LOL..the humanity/compassion/empathy level of the typical liberal/leftie PoMo/progressive is apparent in statements like that.
Robot…Zombie..Sheep..Cult member come to mind.
Seek help.
Itchee Dryback on May 18, 2009 at 5:14 PM
“forever be junior partners” But, since I know of no stats on how many women consider and then discard the idea of an abortion, it’s impossible to to tell who the junior partners really are. The pro-lifers could have been winning this debate for years without our knowledge. Let us hope so anyway.
jeanie on May 18, 2009 at 5:14 PM
The ideal which Leftists really believe in is called human perfectibility–an earthly paradise aka utopia. Abortion feeds that end.
baldilocks on May 18, 2009 at 5:14 PM
Good one Beldar. : D
thomasaur on May 18, 2009 at 5:16 PM
obama didn’t invite pro-lifers to the white house before he promptly reversed many pro-life bush exec orders.
so much for dialog.
iow: obama is a phony and a lying piece of turd.
reliapundit on May 18, 2009 at 5:16 PM
The ideal which Leftists really believe in is called human perfectibility–an earthly paradise aka utopia. Abortion feeds that end.
baldilocks on May 18, 2009 at 5:14 PM
What you’re talking about sounds like Eugenics. Now where have I heard that term before?
By the way, Doc. Spot on, as usual.
kingsjester on May 18, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Barry Soetoro can take his abortion open minded dialog, and shove it where the sun don’t shine. There’s only one definition for killing a human fertilized egg, and that’s called murder.
For example: If I were to purposely go into a forest/mountains, and find “Spotted Owl’s,” “Eagle,” or “Condor” eggs etc, then break them, or kill their baby chicks, the courts would give me twenty years or more. The same doesn’t hold for a human egg, nor for partial-birth abortion, abortion, or in Barry’s warped little world, for infanticide being OK to kill a human being.
byteshredder on May 18, 2009 at 5:18 PM
strangelet: you might be pro-choice. that’s fine. so am i. but you have no reason to wade right into the “cell clumps” argument with these pro-lifers. its offensive. and you already know what they are going to say.
let’s work on issues we can agree on: re-electing a conservative congress.
kelley in virginia on May 18, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Madamoiselle Sanger, of course.
baldilocks on May 18, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Maybe we should not fight gay marriage, in the hope that the libtards will forgo any possibility of re-productive sex, essentially un-breeding themselves out of existence. There won’t be a need to argue Roe anymore.
BobMbx on May 18, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Sorry that’s Madame Sanger…not what I’d like to call her, but there you are.
baldilocks on May 18, 2009 at 5:22 PM
gay marriage is illegal in the Commonwealth of Virginia, by constitutional amendment. how long we can keep it illegal, is anyone’s guess.
kelley in virginia on May 18, 2009 at 5:22 PM
strangelet, since you like stats:
1. Roe protects 1st and 2nd term abortions, not 3rd term. Yet, this President has promised P.P. that he would sign FOCA which makes no such limitation.
2. 90% of the country is opposed to partial-birth abortion and I would bet half of the other 10% don’t really understand what it is. But again, this President promised to sign FOCA, which makes partial-birth legal again.
3. Even in a Senate with the likes of Barbara Boxer and Dianne Fienstein, a federal born alive infant protection act (BAIPA) passed 98-0. Obama had a personal hand in making sure that four versions of a state BAIPA didn’t make it out of committee, including one that matched the federal law. His excuse that there were already protections was a lie, as the attorney general of Illinois had already said there weren’t. He then said he “didn’t want to change the mother’s mind.” Gee, now even a live baby isn’t a choice, it’s a decision.
4. Abortions are overwhelming performed on the wombs of liberal women, meaning the country can only get more conservative. This will eventually tip it in our favor.
5. That “differentiated clump of cells” is a child to me and millions of other people in this country, and thus has the same rights as a one day old baby currently enjoys.
Obama is the most pro-abortion president in history and currently the most pro-abortion politician in Washington. He has stated opposition to supporting preganancy clinics and other services that help reduce abortion.
Therefore, his rhetoric is laughable, deceitful, and shameful.
PastorJon on May 18, 2009 at 5:23 PM
That it makes the case for the extermination of all of us? (Hint: we’re all cell clumps.)
baldilocks on May 18, 2009 at 5:23 PM
A completely heartless and despicable statement from a morally sick Obamabot. Life begins at conception — the science is in, as you leftists like to opine, and the truth is that this is not simply a ‘clump of cells’ but a human being with a future and a destiny.
Here’s proof:
“Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed…. The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote.
–O’Rahilly, Ronan and Müller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996.
Richard Romano on May 18, 2009 at 5:24 PM
The pro-life message is winning because pro-life people have babies who grow up to be pro-life. Pro-choice people…well, they kill their pro-choice vote.
Young people are more pro-life than ever before because 1/3 of their generation has been slaughter and they KNOW it. They are not stupid..they realize they have missing brothers and sisters…and cousins..and classmates…
vitaatcaritas on May 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Are you familiar with creeping legislation? Suppose that a fetus is legally declared a clump of cells. Over time, the definition will creep to boundaries not considered by the original “definers”.
Fast forward a “few” generations. I don’t see it beyond reach that this clump of cells definition could be expanded to include those that made it down the birth canal, survived childhood, and then “failed to contribute to society”. And are then aborted. With government backing.
More countries are legallizing abortion based solely on gender of the fetus. Please tell me how that is not murder? No inconvenience or danger to the mother, no birth defect, no other justification; just the wrong gender.
BobMbx on May 18, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Jesus said, if any shall harm one of these little ones it would be better that a milestone be tied around his neck and cast in the sea.
When that day comes, and it will, be sure there will be plenty that might have wished that happened rather than experience the wrath of an unelected Almighty God! He cannot be bought, He cannot be swayed, He cannot even be bargained with and these two, Obama and this ND pres have sold their souls to the Devil….one word for both of them…Reprobate!
Expect God’s judgment on the nation folks…this has really gone south in such a short time…get Prayed up!
will sass u on May 18, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Funny how the same group of people who decry torture in ANY form have no issue with ripping an unborn baby out of it’s God-given place of security…piece by piece!
will sass u on May 18, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Smile …. your mom was Pro-Life!
New Bumper Sticker!
will sass u on May 18, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Stop conflating Libtard principles. You’ll confuse and anger them.
BobMbx on May 18, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Not to mention, Obama is the chief of the political party that insists on scraping every last sign of Christianity from America, certainly not tolerating any Christian emblems at state events or in public places or in greetings at Christmas or Easter.
maverick muse on May 18, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Obama came to deliver abortion in all its guises, real and religious.
maverick muse on May 18, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Is there an echo in here?
+1
baldilocks on May 18, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Insight from Geraghty. If only those ignorant, Bible-clinging gun-lovers would quit calling people who disagree with them names….
Wethal on May 18, 2009 at 5:35 PM
/Millstone.
maverick muse on May 18, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Something tells me you’ll find strangelet less than enthusiastic about agreeing we should re-elect a conservative congress.
I must admit that my own feelings on abortion rights were heavily influenced by the words each side chooses to describe their position. As I said in the essay, the exact moment at which a human life incarnates is unlikely to be pinpointed by science, and will forever be a matter of faith. One side has faith we are talking about the lives of children. The other side has faith that it’s only a “cell clump.” I know which faith I find more appealing, and I’m not even particularly religious.
Doctor Zero on May 18, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Amen….AGAIN, AMEM!
lobosan5 on May 18, 2009 at 5:42 PM
I wanted to attempt to link the polarized stances on pro-life/pro-choice and pro/con death penalty. But I have neither the ambition or energy to do so right now.
But I will ask this – has anybody ever surveyed murderers and rapists, to see which political persuasion is better represented by these animals?
If not, why not? I think the results would be most interesting. And if so, does anyone have a link?
That’s it. You may continue b*tch-slapping strangelet now…
Timothy S. Carlson on May 18, 2009 at 5:51 PM
Unlike surgical abortions, there is no practical way for the state to ensure rights at the point where there exists just a few cells.
dedalus on May 18, 2009 at 5:55 PM
First they define a fetus as a cell clump. Then they will label the disabled. Then the politically incorrect. Then – who knows.
Once you cross the line, it’s hard to keep from continuing into the darkness.
It’s classic disassociation – make the enemy sub-human or non-human, and the justification for killing them is much easier.
Hmm – why is the left so afraid of unborn children that they require their elimination?
Timothy S. Carlson on May 18, 2009 at 5:58 PM
This is a lengthy paper dealing with the issue:
From the American Academy of Medical Ethics:
From one of their papers (pdf) The Woman and the Physician Facing Abortion:
INC on May 18, 2009 at 5:59 PM
The numbers are footnotes in the 23 page doc.
INC on May 18, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Why not?
The ONLY right that needs to be realized is one…the right to life.
Not really complicated at all imo.
Itchee Dryback on May 18, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Obama says, “Let’s have a debate” while 80-year-old priests who would be the first in line to “debate” are being summarily ARRESTED outside for PEACEABLY voicing their differing opinions. Tell me again how this is having an open heart and mind and being willing to listen to the other side…
Oh, yeah.
It’s NOT.
UnderstandingisPower on May 18, 2009 at 6:02 PM
The pro-choice position holds that a pregnant woman has an absolute right to control her own body and abort an unwanted pregnancy.
She does have the right to control her body: she had sex. Sex has consequences. The left always wants to make sure that irresponsible people and companies never have to suffer the consequences of their actions. They ALWAYS force someone else to pay the consequences.
And these bastards call me greedy and hard hearted? Adios America!
Amendment X on May 18, 2009 at 6:02 PM
First they define a fetus as a cell clump. Then they will label the disabled. Then the politically incorrect. Then – who knows.
Oh. OH! I know the next group… the elderly. Oh, wait. That’s what Universal Health Care is all about. Never mind.
UnderstandingisPower on May 18, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Has that happened? It has been 35 years since Roe. The drive to deprive the disabled isn’t apparent. In fact the ADA was passed in 1990 that grants rights to the disabled that they didn’t have before 1973.
dedalus on May 18, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Exactly. I’m very pro-choice, but I think the choice comes WAY before you’ve got a plus sign on that little strip.
UnderstandingisPower on May 18, 2009 at 6:05 PM
WHAT IS OBAMA TALKING ABOUT??? What is he EVER talking about? The guy is a snake oil salesman. What a nightmare.
marklmail on May 18, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Excellent. Thank you.
A embryo, at conception, has the potential to become a self-sustaining human being, unlike a ‘clump of differentiated cells’ which is incapable of this miraculous feat.
Timothy S. Carlson on May 18, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Yikes! That sounds really–totalitarian–people are expendable–sci-fi, clone, movie– position on the value of human lives. That is totally out of touch with the emotional and ethical discussion before us.
I continue to believe that while we may never overcome Roe’s defects in law, science will vindicate the pro-life position. Science and the conscience of honest Americans will someday make Roe v. Wade into the embarrassment that Dred Scott is seen as today.
petunia on May 18, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Let me restate my theory (posted yesterday) of why the Democrats are so adamant about their non-compromising position on ABORTION and why it is based on Alinsky’s rule for how one goes about seizing power and retaining it.
It starts with using ABORTION to short-circuit the normal increase in population growth needed to sustain America’s current and future standard of living and forcing politicians and bureaucrats to conclude that they need to foster immigration to replace these ‘lost’ numbers.
Now what Alinsky teaches is for community organizers to act as professional agitators among these new impoverished immigrants and foment the idea of victimhood and the need to redress grievances and then reinforcing the idea through the use of ad hominem attacks, and stirring up anger and resentment among the masses towards the ‘establishment’ to the point they form groups to advance their interests.
Next the community organizers take these identity or interest groups and convince them to vote for the Democrats and pound away everyday that the white man is responsible for their plight and that only by overthrowing the greedy rich man and the capitalist system can they get their revenge and make all their lives better.
Then appears a Messianic figure to take the cause over the final hurdle of election victory as an ‘emergency’ (financial meltdown) arises that only the Messiah can fix and thus ushers in radical Marxism.
In summary, Marxism or totalitarianism is spawned in the Narcissism of abortion, nurtured in the streets, living rooms and meeting halls of the inner city cesspools of perceived misery and mounting anger among the masses, and harvested in the victimhood and organized chaos of threats and intimidation in the goal to orchestrate payback and a redress of perceived grievances. Then an emergency arises and people goes nuts and vote in totalitarianism, and remember the beginning of the cycle began with ABORTION.
technopeasant on May 18, 2009 at 6:09 PM
The state can’t take custody of the child a few days after conception. It doesn’t have the ability to step in or effectively restrict what a woman puts in her body.
dedalus on May 18, 2009 at 6:13 PM
The conscience is the only answer to this. Hopefully, more and more will follow their conscience into the pro-life camp.
petunia on May 18, 2009 at 6:17 PM
You’re welcome.
INC on May 18, 2009 at 6:20 PM
How could they be any more confused? Anger them, hell they’re angry all the time about something. Hellwithem.
Oldnuke on May 18, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Wow. That was a little.. ummm… paranoid, but I like it!
Not yet. And hopefully it never will.
UnderstandingIsPower brought up a good point: first it was the unborn, then it was the ‘very sick’ (euthenasia), and soon the elderly (health care rationing).
You could say that the disabled could soon be included, even though they now have ‘special rights’ under the law. Those laws are just a smoke-screen – make it look like we care about the disabled, while restricting the medical care they get because they are not really a ‘productive member’ of society. Just a financial burden to eliminate.
It all boils down to that for the left – money and convenience, and freedom from responsibility.
Timothy S. Carlson on May 18, 2009 at 6:22 PM
This is the sort of filthy, putrescent ghoul you want in your “Big Tent” moderates? A rotten carcass of a graverobber that treats the murder of millions of humans like a game show?
Compromise with this living pigsty? No thanks.
TMK on May 18, 2009 at 6:27 PM
In my mind, life does not begin at the moment of conception, it is renewed. There is no point in the continuum in which life is not present. The sperm has life as does the egg. The only difference between the fetus and the centurian is the elapsed time since the point of fertilization. What is renewed at the moment of fertilization is utterly human as it cannot be rightly described as anything else.
turfmann on May 18, 2009 at 6:28 PM
From Libertarians for Life, some interesting thinking on rights. (I’m not a libertarian, but I haven’t seen this elsewhere):
How I Became Pro-Life By Doris Gordon
(She is introduced by Ron Paul in this excerpt from The Congressional Record, but this is from some 30 years ago in 1979).
INC on May 18, 2009 at 6:29 PM
I did not watch the speech/video but I did read the transcript, which I think was probably more enlightening. Nauseating – every single word. To read the words that came out of the Liar in Chief’s mouth, knowing it was all lies – just another campaign “can’t we all just get along” speech – proves to me again the fatal flaw this nation made in allowing this thing to rise to power. We are truly in the dark ages.
There is no common ground, there is no room for negotiation. A life is a life is a life. Only a child would refute this fact with the “Not if I don’t say so” response – the response of the pro-abortion Left.
47 million lives taken – 1/3 of them blacks. Where is the outrage?
gopmom on May 18, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Of course, the ADA only applies to those disabled persons lucky enough to escape abortion in the first place. The “drive to deprive” the disabled occurs prior to birth.
Dee2008 on May 18, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Strangelet is awfully quiet. *crickets*
conservative pilgrim on May 18, 2009 at 6:32 PM
BTW, was anyone else offended by Obama’s suggestion that we should BEGIN doing what we can to prevent the need for abortion? As if pro-lifers haven’t spent the past 30 years doing just that? And fighting liberal roadblocks on every front in doing so?
Dee2008 on May 18, 2009 at 6:33 PM
You lost me at the second paragraph…doctor zero, please learn to be concise.
I am sure your posts are full of wisdom…they must be with so many words.
right2bright on May 18, 2009 at 6:34 PM
eugenicist liberals. First they come for the defenseless, then as they work on remove our defenses, they will come after people with other defects, or with certain religious beliefs. Remind you of someone from history?
kirkill on May 18, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Brilliant post Doctor Zero! You cut through Obama’s rhetoric and pro-abortionist’s reasoning, exposing their hypocrisy.
I admit that I don’t read long entries anymore unless I have to for teaching, research, or class. Your writing is an exception. More Doctor Zero please!
conservative pilgrim on May 18, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Yeah, but the contention was that abortion was creating a slippery slope in 1973 that would lead to weeding out the disabled. The ADA is some evidence that, whatever the wrongs of abortion, it hasn’t yet produced those secondary effects.
dedalus on May 18, 2009 at 6:36 PM
One of Obama’s first acts was to sign a bill reinstating funding for abortions overseas.
Why? What good does that do? Why not spend the money on AIDS, or malaria, or feeding the hungry?
Easy answer – it helps to spread the liberal philosophy and undermines religious control.
Obama doesn’t want to reform the US to fit his vision – he wants to reform the entire world.
Timothy S. Carlson on May 18, 2009 at 6:36 PM
I wonder if some of the change toward the pro life position in recent years comes from changes in medical technology. Today such tiny babies are saved, they can do in vitro surgery, women go to such lengths to become pregnant…I think that people are more likely to think of a fetus as an unborn child, rather than a clump of cells.
Terrye on May 18, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Maybe it’s been said before, but could bear to be said again:
What’s the best way to guarantee a baby isn’t aborted, or waterboarded, or harmed in any way, shape, or form by a Liberal? Declare it to be a Terrorist Spotted Islamo-Owl from conception!
dmh0667 on May 18, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Not yet…
Just because it hasn’t happened yet, doesn’t mean it’s not in the planning stages.
Timothy S. Carlson on May 18, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Definitely.
Bernard Nathanson, M.D., a cofounder of NARAL, is now an advocate for life. He was recently interviewed by The Interim, March 2009:
Quote from Concerned for Life.
INC on May 18, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Great line.
Interesting that we are the crazy ones standing up for innocent life that are subjected to the death sentence and in turn called crazy for not calling water boarding torture. The world is truly upside down.
Jamson64 on May 18, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Concerned for Life, also has this quote from Dr. Nathanson from The Hand of God:
(My emphasis).
INC on May 18, 2009 at 6:58 PM
http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0474_Roe__v._Wade.html
aka ROE gets it.
Jamson64 on May 18, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Exactly. Pro-Life advocates also work to prevent unwanted pregnancies, teach abstinence (including respect for oneself and others, responsibility and the sacredness of the relationship before sex) and assist women/girls through the adoption process. No recognition for this from the Liar in Chief at all. Why? Maybe because this is done mostly through faith-based organizations.
gopmom on May 18, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Something I always found interesting: So many times I’ve been told, or read, that we must save all the endangered species because in one of them we might find the cure for cancer.
But they ignore the possibility that one of the aborted just might’ve been the one to discover that cure.
Dan. on May 18, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Except they want the taxpayers, even those who oppose abortion, to pay for it-which again shows their hypocrisy and cruelty.
PattyJ on May 18, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Notre Dumb ?
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Notre Dumas ?
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Notre Dumass ?
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Notre Dumbass ?
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Take your pick
esblowfeld on May 18, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Has the ADA included the abortions performed after an amniocentesis indicated a possible physical defect?
onlineanalyst on May 18, 2009 at 7:32 PM
The Pope asked Catholics not to support politicians who support killing the unborn. Notre Dame spit in the Pope’s face by allowing the biggest supporter of abortion to ever be president an honorary degree. Obama was making a statement when he proved to the world he is more of a leader to the Catholics than their own Pope. He cracked the foundation of their religion and the fissures are just a start. He won and he knows it, but the catholics don’t have a clue.
volsense on May 18, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Fantastic essay that highlights the exact duplicity of Bama when he talks about “dialogue” and “understanding”.
Here’s the dialogue: “This is what we are going to make you do.”
Understanding: “What do you not understand about the dialogue I just read to you? You stupid or something? You will conform, or else. Clearer for you, now?”
Harry Schell on May 18, 2009 at 7:36 PM
I’m not understanding your point.
What does “taking custody” of an individual have to do with the basic right to not be murdered?
Itchee Dryback on May 18, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Hypocrite, thy name is Obama.
Cheap talk, considering one of his first actions as President, was to force every American, to pay for abortions, here in the U.S., and around the world.
I hate him for putting the blood of innocents, on my hands.
capejasmine on May 18, 2009 at 7:46 PM
From Ramesh Ponnuru:
INC on May 18, 2009 at 7:47 PM
From The Corner:
Obama’s Non-Argument
INC on May 18, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Obama’s Case Against Obama: Why the president’s Notre Dame speech should hearten lifers . . . a little.
(My emphasis)
INC on May 18, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Well of course it has! I think something like 90% of Down Syndrome individuals are aborted.
Alana on May 18, 2009 at 7:59 PM
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