Hope and change: GOP even with Dems in party affiliation for first time since 2005
posted at 6:19 pm on May 18, 2009 by Allahpundit
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They’ve been within a point or two several times but the last month Republicans were dead even with Democrats (including leaners) was June 2005. It’s a huge swing from a month ago too, from 50/39 to 45/45. What gives? I’d love to say it was the tea parties but the April poll was taken several days after the rallies, not before. Nothing major’s happened in the last few weeks that would account for a sudden shift, either. I can only assume that the scope of Obama’s budget and what it means for future deficits has finally started to sink in. And with health care coming to the floor of the House, not a moment too soon.
There may be more to it than that, though. From Gitmo to jihadi interrogation to The One’s highly publicized visit to Notre Dame, the hottest hot-button issues the last few weeks all favor the GOP. Two tidbits from the new Fox News poll:
Just over half of Americans (55 percent) oppose transferring detainees from the Guantanamo Bay facility to prison facilities in the United States…
The poll finds 49 percent of voters today describe themselves as “pro-life” and 43 percent as “pro-choice” on the issue of abortion. This is the first time more voters have described themselves as pro-life in the poll since April 2004.
The spread on abortion here is almost as wide as the spread in the much-celebrated Gallup poll last week. Barack Obama: The best thing ever to happen to the pro-life movement?
This wouldn’t really be an AP post without some sort of downbeat note to end on, so before you celebrate, have a look at this. Dude.
Update: CNN’s selling its own new poll as proof that abortion’s not hurting Obama but that’s not true. Sure, a majority says it hasn’t hurt him, but you don’t need a majority to shave a few points off his approval rating, just a sizable minority. Which is exactly what the poll shows:
Does the president’s position in favor of abortion rights have an impact on the public’s perception of him? More than half the country says no. Fifty-seven percent of Americans say the president’s position has no effect on their view of him. Twenty-seven percent say it makes them feel less favorably about him, and 14 percent say it makes them feel more positively about him.
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i’ll go with optimism for now, AP.
thanks for the wet balnket, though. ;-)
homesickamerican on May 18, 2009 at 6:21 PM
blanket, that is…
homesickamerican on May 18, 2009 at 6:22 PM
This certainly tests the “you can’t beat something with nothing” theory, because I have yet to see the GOP do something positive to win new voters. But I’m seeing a shinola-load of stuff being done by Obama and the democrats that are going to drive away many who voted for them in ‘08.
thirteen28 on May 18, 2009 at 6:23 PM
More like boring.
upinak on May 18, 2009 at 6:23 PM
First abortion and now this. Is Barry starting to scare the masses?
portlandon on May 18, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Soon, it will be time to
PARTY LIKE IT’S 1994…….
Clinton created the first Repub majority in the House since Ike’s first term; Obama will out-Clinton Clinton
( no cigar references needed )
Janos Hunyadi on May 18, 2009 at 6:25 PM
I hope they won’t screw this with all the moderate talk. I hope they’ll have the sense to refrain from going the amnesty route.
promachus on May 18, 2009 at 6:26 PM
You mean out Clinton, Carter, Ike etc….
Oh yeah.. B.O. is on a roll.
upinak on May 18, 2009 at 6:26 PM
O have ye faith!
canopfor on May 18, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Dems are going to try to push through cap and trade and health care fast. The window is closing.
Mark1971 on May 18, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Teehee, biatch!!!!
blatantblue on May 18, 2009 at 6:27 PM
I think the American people are just being reminded of what the Democrats can be like when left to their own devices.
BTW, I hear the Democrats are trying to get rid of a US Attorney to help Edwards out. Do you think anyone will care?
Terrye on May 18, 2009 at 6:27 PM
It just comes with the territory that the party in power is really like sitting on the seat in the dunking booth.
The other party keeps throwing at the target, and everytime they hit, splash !
Hit the target enough times and then the polls move.
moc23 on May 18, 2009 at 6:28 PM
What it shows is that moderates dont have a belief beyond being contrarian.
They simply hate anyone in power.
William Amos on May 18, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Which is to say it was taken several days after taxpayers had to pay up on 4/15.
Karl on May 18, 2009 at 6:29 PM
You have a point but I think there is a serious case of buyers remorse in the works. The first target is the Congress. The pendulum is swinging back in the other direction.
msmveritas on May 18, 2009 at 6:32 PM
CNN dishonestly spinning their own “poll”? I’m shocked.
Should be interesting to see how this new info impacts, if at all, various pollsters over-sampling Democrats to get the poll results they desire.
Del Dolemonte on May 18, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Party affiliation won’t mean Cheney when China rejects the dollar. Our home team recognizes the debt spending is unsustainable and is working on a plan. Comforting like Jimmy Carter in a cardigan.
Angry Dumbo on May 18, 2009 at 6:34 PM
But but but the headlines say we should be freaking out about the latino demographic!!
Add in the disgruntled conservatives like myself who are no longer register R but still vote R most of the time, and Obama should be scared.
innominatus on May 18, 2009 at 6:35 PM
People are getting tired with both Republicans and Democrats, and are moving more independent.
Enoxo on May 18, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Which poll are we talking about? AP just quoted a crapload of them.
Apologetic California on May 18, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Yup. Republicans don’t act conservative, get voted out, people remember how much Democrats suck, Reublicans get voted back in.
It’s the cycle of political life.
Emily M. on May 18, 2009 at 6:37 PM
One of the features that has enabled the bureaucratic abuse of the public during the past year has been the frantic, if temporary, flight-to-safety by investors. The Treasury has issued an enormous volume of debt into the frightened hands of investors seeking default-free securities. This has allowed the Treasury to finance a massive and largely needless transfer of wealth to bank bondholders so easily over the short-term that the longer-term cost has been almost completely obscured. But by transferring wealth from those who did not finance reckless loans to those who did – providing monetary compensation without economic production – the bureaucrats at the Treasury and Federal Reserve have crowded out more than a trillion dollars of gross investment that would have otherwise have been made by responsible people in the coming years, shifted assets to the control of those who have proven themselves to be irresponsible destroyers of capital, and have planted the seeds of inflation that will cut short any emerging recovery.
The bottom line is that the attempt to save bank bondholders from losses – to provide monetary compensation without economic production – is not sound economic policy but is instead a grand monetary experiment that has never been tried in the developed world except in Germany circa 1921. This policy can only have one of two effects: either it will crowd out over $1 trillion of gross domestic investment that would otherwise have occurred if the appropriate losses had been wiped off the ledger (instead of making bank bondholders whole), or it will result in a stunning and durable increase in the quantity of base money, which will ultimately be accompanied not by a year or two of 5-6% inflation, but most probably by a near-doubling of the U.S. price level over the next decade. As I’ve noted previously, the growth rate of government spending is better correlated with subsequent inflation than even growth in money supply itself, particularly at 4-year intervals. Regardless of near-term deflation pressures from a continued mortgage crisis, our present course is consistent with double digit inflation once any incipient recovery emerges.
As Nobel economist Joseph Stiglitz recently noted, the bureaucrats that designed this bailout are “either in the pocket of the banks or they’re incompetent. It’s a real redistribution and a tax on all American savers. This is a strategy trying to recreate the bubble. That’s not likely to provide a long-run solution. It’s a solution that says let’s kick the can down the road a little bit. They haven’t thought enough about the determinants of the flow of credit and lending.”
- John Hussman
KentAllard on May 18, 2009 at 6:39 PM
I bet tea parties, they still reverberate locally. The one we did was on a street corner. It extended 4 full blocks from the corner in both directions. The honks and racous greetings from passing cars were stunning.
tarpon on May 18, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Consider it the Arlen Specter factor.
JammieWearingFool on May 18, 2009 at 6:41 PM
The biggest bubble right now is the Obama popularity one. It’s as far out of whack with the polling on the things Obama wants to do/has done that sooner or later it’s going to burst.
When it does I see lows for Obama never before seen. As thin skinned and inexperienced as he is with criticism of ANY kind I think his petulance is going to get ugly FAST.
wildcat84 on May 18, 2009 at 6:42 PM
This looks good…especially considering the Republicans have just about nothing to move these numbers. Maybe the glow of Obama’s halo is fading faster than I hoped.
AUINSC on May 18, 2009 at 6:44 PM
LOL
Published poll responses a month later, and still no sign of Obama’s economic stimulus, only the dark clouds of Soros’ Mordor overhead and higher taxes to pay for enslavement.
maverick muse on May 18, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Great, then what are we? Elves? Hobbits? Oh Crap, so is Sarah a hobbit? Or is she an Elf? And The ring is what… America? The White House?
upinak on May 18, 2009 at 6:51 PM
I guess these pundits like Dick Morris are right when they say the leader of the GOP comeback right now is Obama. It just amazes me that none of the GOP has done ANYTHING to drive the numbers like this.
It’s only conservative talk radio and Palin who has dared criticize The One on anything. And even Palin has not done a national interview in months, only the Evansville speech.
davek70 on May 18, 2009 at 6:51 PM
OK ok, so I got which poll you’re talking about.
If there are better examples of Gallup FAIL this year (we know what last year’s FAIL was about), this particular poll is in the running. They release a poll saying that the Goopers are losing voters left and right by enormous margins; then releases a poll saying that they pulled even with the Dems.
Pure BS.
Apologetic California on May 18, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Wrong AP. Sarah Palin is the best thing to ever happen to the pro-life movement.
CarolynM on May 18, 2009 at 6:55 PM
He truly is the president of special interersts. Lots of different ones – abortion extremists, unionized labor, the looney left – and each of them individual a small minority.
ProfessorMiao on May 18, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Well, the country is heading into a fire spewing volcano so you decide.
Darth Executor on May 18, 2009 at 6:56 PM
I think there’s something to that. Moderate democrats and independents had to be impressed by the courage with which she lives her convictions in this area. And disgusted by the way in the which lunatic fringe demonized her and her family for it.
ProfessorMiao on May 18, 2009 at 6:57 PM
It’s the END of the World as we know it, and Allah is posting Food Pics!
Damn it all to HELL! And I am freaking hungry!
upinak on May 18, 2009 at 6:59 PM
It will be about 60-90 days when the UAW lights come on and they discover they have been thug thizzled. The carbon taxation is coming fast without facts or numbers. When it hits, look out. I also see a crisis brewing in Californias bankruptcy. Obama wants a separate Palestinian state ( we have Jordan silly) and what we need is to separate california. If we toss in Nevada, they have room for gay marriages and gays having children and all that mess.
seven on May 18, 2009 at 7:00 PM
If people really knew the EXTENT of Obama’s pro-abortion stance, that percentage would be up.
deidre on May 18, 2009 at 7:02 PM
The reason:
1)Tea Parties
2)Rush Limbaugh
3)Sarah Palin
4)disillusionment with Obama
technopeasant on May 18, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Very true!! And the left want to destroy her for it.
deidre on May 18, 2009 at 7:03 PM
I don’t know. I’ve never trusted Gallup polls and I’d be more inclined to believe they have a specific purpose in mind for telling Republicans what they want to hear right now.
Perhaps the Left fears the secession talk that has been going on and wants to give people reason to lower the sword. More likely is that the Left likes the people who the Republicans have in its leadership right now and it doesn’t want any changes to be made.
Buddahpundit on May 18, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Wow…the same way the lib MSM used the PEW poll last month to beat us over the head with their “GOP is dead” meme, I can use it right back at them this month and say STFU you stupid MSM GOP-derangement-syndromed wankers…
RepubChica on May 18, 2009 at 7:08 PM
I can tell you what happened. My main man hit the talk shows. Go Cheney!
Sue on May 18, 2009 at 7:10 PM
davek70:
When you say ‘only the Evansville speech’ that may have been ‘the shot heard throughout America’ and brought about the change in the pro-life position among Americans. Remember that speech was on April 17th. And now the GOP has drawn even with the Dems and the GOP establishment really have done little to deserve the change in fortunes. Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin and maybe Dick Cheney are responsible for this turnaround. By the way do you notice how Weaver cited these three as detrimental to the chances of the GOP in 2012 and following their lead would lead to a landslide victory for Obama in 2012.
technopeasant on May 18, 2009 at 7:10 PM
The nutroots are about to learn how much fun it is to be on the recieving end of dumb moderates expecting the President to be perfect and do everything right.
Speedwagon82 on May 18, 2009 at 7:10 PM
My bad, it’s a Gallup poll…btw, peeped the link and noticed the Dems haven’t been this low in their party support since Dec 07, when the number was at 44%. I don’t know…something could be happening, we’ll wait and see.
RepubChica on May 18, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Someone needs to tell Mike Steele
William Amos on May 18, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Miss California
Obama’s deficit – even vs. Bush 43’s
Socialism all over
Salaries
Etc.
Schadenfreude on May 18, 2009 at 7:12 PM
You’ve got that right.
INC on May 18, 2009 at 7:13 PM
I give all credit to the fine, fine messaging of Michael Steele.
myrenovations on May 18, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Republicans just need to let democrats be democrats. When the lies about those being hit with new taxes sinks in and the media blast wears off, people realize that their lives are going get even worse then true change will come. RINOS must be singled out and deprived from office. The real reason the Republicans blew it so bad, they acted like democrats and gave the voters no choice. Let conservatives be conservatives and libs do their thing and the ship will right itself.
volsense on May 18, 2009 at 7:15 PM
HOW YOU BOYS LIKE HIM NOW!?!?!?!!?!?
Joe Caps on May 18, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Well, as was mentioned above and in the headline thread last week: Palin, Obama and technology.
Everyone knew about Palin. I don’t think as many were clued in to how radically pro-abortion Obama is. Notice how he lied and shifted at Notre Dame? The WH is reading these polls even if Steele is not.
Re technology, this in a FOX item from today:
Lawmakers Push Ultrasound Bills as More Americans Say They’re Pro-Life: The number of Americans who consider themselves “pro-life” has climbed significantly — and some doctors say the shift might be linked to widespread use of ultrasound, which allows pregnant women to see images of their babies before they’re born.
INC on May 18, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Fo shizzle
myrenovations on May 18, 2009 at 7:20 PM
If Obama had any balls he would pass legislation to make ultrasounds more easily available to abortion clinics. THAT would reduce the amount of abortions, which he says is his ultimate goal.
Joe Caps on May 18, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Sarah Palin isn’t converting anyone to the Pro-Life cause. This is 100% Obama and his minions overreaching.
Speedwagon82 on May 18, 2009 at 7:27 PM
He’s such a liar. How could those people sit there for two seconds and not know that? If he really wanted to reduce the number of abortions, he would have kept the Mexico City policy, he wouldn’t have moved toe rescind the conscience clause, etc.
INC on May 18, 2009 at 7:27 PM
I disagree… She walks her talk which can be said of very few people especially those who are politicians…
CCRWM on May 18, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Wow, that is a great idea, he’ll never do it of course but I would love to see him duck and dodge the suggestion.
msmveritas on May 18, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Speedwagon62:
You have revealed yourself as a troll and Fascist by saying ‘isn’t converting anyone’. Even the most stupidest of individuals would admit that perhaps Sarah has converted perhaps 1% of those who were formerly pro-choice.
technopeasant on May 18, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Ha! TPM Talking points spins the Gallup poll this way, by relying on an ‘aggregate’ of the year and using this part of the poll:
A new analysis by Gallup, compiled from their national polling done all this year, shows just how extensive the Republican Party’s drop in voter self-identification has been, with decreases in nearly every demographic…
In 2001, voters were 33% Democratic, 32% Republican, and 34% independent, with a Republican edge of 47%-46% after leaners were pushed. But now, it’s 36% Democrats, 27% Republicans and 37% independents, with a huge Democratic advantage of 52%-37% with leaners.
Buy Danish on May 18, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Hurry panick!! End of the GOP!!!
The GOP is the default party of America in recent history. Give it time. Once people really realize what Democrats are all about they’ll come around. There are signs of that already.
therightwinger on May 18, 2009 at 8:03 PM
The other side considers themselves pro-life too, in that they equate spending increases and unlimited welfare as “life”. I would be more interested in converting people to a small government view that lets each state decide if they want abortion or not.
Speedwagon82 on May 18, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Yeah OK, but what % of those “Republicans” are John McCain, Arlen Specter, Susan Colins, Crist, Ahhnold Republicans? Just remember had the “Republicn” won last Nov, 95% of what the Democrat did would still have been done.
I’ll get excited when Republican leaders actually say/do something conservative and more than 20% of the population approves. Until then, the plans to move out of country in 2010 continue.
angryed on May 18, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Why the swing? Ah “It’s the Economy Stupid” love that ole campaign phrase, everything old is new again.
Dr Evil on May 18, 2009 at 8:39 PM
This is good news for 2010! I hope. Of course now we have to get past the anti-RINO idiots. Get rid of the haters.
petunia on May 18, 2009 at 9:02 PM
Yes, but I want healthcare reform.
AnninCA on May 18, 2009 at 9:15 PM
I think this is just the natural course of things. The honeymoon has worn off of Obama, and the liberal activists are off the streets and back to watching TV in their parents’ basements.
Conservatives have a message to spread, and we no longer have George W Bush making us look like hypocrites when we talk about it. And, as Maggie Thatcher said, the facts of life are conservative. Everything that’s happening from Pakistan to South Bend is making the American people wish a grown-up was in charge.
joe_doufu on May 18, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Great point, the GOP seems to be ‘pulling up even’ due to negatives from the DEMs. Imagine if a real, conservative leader stood up now and clearly articulated the basic tenets of Conservatism. We desperately need that person to emerge, whether from within or outside the Republican Party.
Red State State of Mind on May 18, 2009 at 11:10 PM
Why, how can this be? I thought the RNC elite had determined that the party was too far to the right to even stand a chance in the next election cycle unless it moderates.
AZfederalist on May 18, 2009 at 11:17 PM
At which point their names will be mud.
ddrintn on May 18, 2009 at 11:36 PM
LOL, that’s true.
ddrintn on May 18, 2009 at 11:47 PM
Michael Steele threatened to quit if he doesn’t get his way. It’s time for Steele to hit the door. As for the GOP, I’m done with them as are many other Conservatives.
The GOP has long been overrun by spineless RINOs who don’t represent Conservatives and the GOP refuses to learn ANYTHING, you CANNOT win without Conservatives.
The GOP will go the way of the Whigs.
nelsonknows on May 19, 2009 at 12:39 AM
Dude, those merry pranksters at PEW screwed up!
You aren’t even lol.
Not even close.
Outlier Alert
strangelet on May 19, 2009 at 12:51 AM
Maybe Sarah Palin is our Arwen. But who is our Aragorn?
Steve Z on May 19, 2009 at 9:38 AM
Today the GOP’s Michael Steele is supposedly going to give a big speech on the direction of the party.
Keeping with that theme…I’ve got a few things I’d like Mr Steele (and those who care to read this) to know about me, your average conservative who’s still registered “Republican”, but has given serious thought in the last couple of years to changing party affiliation…
To put it simply – I’m tired of the litmus tests. The numerous “factions” within the party have gotten so backed up into their own corners, I don’t think they see it. But, not to worry, because I’m damn sure going to explain it. I’ll only touch on the two “wings” of the GOP that I think need to hear what I have to say.
[b]The so-called “social conservatives”[/b] – staunch Republicans and faithful to the end. They are an asset to the party, no question about it. But, when they demand that fellow Repubs and candidates adhere exactly, without question, to what [b][i]they[/i][/b] feel are the most important issues of our time (religion, abortion, same-sex marriage, values), they are basically admitting that they want a party of think-alike “bots”. Well – time to wake up kiddies…It’s never been that way, and is never going to be that way. For example, for a fellow Republican to insinuate that I am not “Christian enough” because I didn’t find Mike Huckabee a politically viable candidate for the GOP ticket,…Well, that’s the kind of thing I’m talking about. This crap has to end, or the party will never come together again.
[b]The so-called “moderates”[/b] – They too can be an asset to the party, because (at least every now and then) they find something worthy about conservatism that they like, and they vote for the GOP candidate. But, they lack gumption…backbone…and determination to stick to a solid set of political beliefs. These folks tend to tell the rest of us that we’re too “stiff” – we’re too “rigid” – and that there never seems to be room for a “middle-ground”. They probably have a point, but, here’s the thing….EITHER YOU’RE PRO CORE CONSERVATIVE IDEALS, OR YOU’RE NOT. It’s that simple. One does not advance conservatism, or the GOP, by embracing the ideals and stances of your political opposition, all in the name of getting more members into the party. Lower taxes, less government, more individual freedom…Those have been core political ideals within the party, and to suggest that it’s ok to “waffle” on those things and [i]still[/i] be a conservative Republican…is simply wrong. Make up your minds. Ante up, or cash out.
Most of all – I’m sick of of a few key things that I must now detail:
*Being told that being conservative means you must also behave a certain way, when it comes to religion. The last time I checked, there was this thing called “freedom OF religion” in this country, and it is MY choice as to whether I wear a cross around my neck or not. It is MY choice as to whether I speak 24/7 about my religious beliefs, or not. It is MY choice as to how I use my religious beliefs to gauge potential political candidates…or not. Being politically conservative means alot of things, but I’m tired of being told that being politically conservative comes with a mandatory list of religious methodology that one must follow, if they are to be accepted as “conservative” or “Christian enough” to even be considered “conservative”. To suggest that a person must believe a certain way when it comes to religion, all because they are politically conservative…Isn’t smart. This is where that “individual freedom” comes in. Respect it, or it will eventually become an albatross around your neck.
*Being told that I’m a “jew lover”, and don’t love my own country, because I believe we must maintain our alliance with Israel. The people who say things like this need a swift kick in the ass, as far as I’m concerned. Take a look at the middle east, and name for me all the countries we can call “ally”. And don’t give me the “U.S.S. Liberty”/”Powerful Jew Lobby” BS. There are other countries besides Israel who’ve done as much, or more, and I find it funny we never hear you people standing up and crying about [i]that[/i] when it happens. It’s always all about Israel and the Jews. Get a life…and put down the copy of “Mein Kampf”.
*Being told that I must “give a little” when it comes to core conservative ideals. No, I don’t have to “give a little”!
I don’t find that embracing the political opposition’s ideals or stances does anything to further the conservative movement or cause. It only makes things politically “murky” and indistinguishable. That creates confusion, and we have enough of that already. Pardon me for having a backbone and sticking to those core ideals. I don’t plan on waivering on those things, ever, and if it means that I re-register as “Libertarian” or “Independent”, then so be it. My advice to these folks – educate yourself on what conservatism TRULY is, and go from there. Start fresh, because you’re thinking as been muddied by a liberal media hell-bent on brainwashing you.
In the end,….Individualism seems to have flown out the window within the GOP. They seem not to respect the fact that [b]PEOPLE[/b] are “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights….Not [i]“political parties”[/i] are “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights”.
My advice to the party as a whole? Decide whether you still believe in the core conservative ideals (lower taxes, less government, more individual freedom).
If you do, make [i]those things[/i] the only litmus test that matters, because in the end, those things that most so-called “moderates” want to be flexible on and the things that most so-called “social conservatives” believe are more important would ALL fall under the “individual freedom” category. In my book, that’s how it should be.
Talismen on May 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM
The recent Gallup results are either crazy or showing us the way back. If party identification with leaners are 52% D – 37% R, yet voters are pro-life 51% and pro-choice 45%, either Gallup’s sampling methods are suspect, or Republicans need to jump on the pro-life bandwagon.
Still, it looks like the Democrats have handed us the issues to run on in 2010 with their reckless spending and quadrupling the deficit. Our candidates need to stress spending cuts, REAL tax cuts, domestic energy development, and a “speak softly and carry a big stick” in a dangerous world.
But we’ve gotta give Bill Clinton credit.
It’s the economy, stupid!
Steve Z on May 19, 2009 at 9:51 AM
This sounds about right. It’s time to prepare for a new 1994 in 2010. But there has to be a plan–a new Contract With America, not just a “change from Obama”. Who is thinking about such a plan, and who will run on it?
Steve Z on May 19, 2009 at 9:59 AM
TPM was able to claim that because they used an “aggregate” which is like an average for the year, instead of focusing on the most recent results.
Buy Danish on May 19, 2009 at 10:09 AM
Much as I like Sarah Palin, the truth about the shift on abortion is medical technology. In 1973 when the Roe v Wade decision was made, there was no such thing as an ultrasound. Now we have 3-D and 4-D ultrasound, and it is indisputable that it is a baby, not a “mass of tissue” as the original feminists claimed. Also, keep in mind that the feminists who started this whole “reproductive rights” movement have become disillusioned with the results. NO woman in her right mind WANTS to be a single parent, but that has been one of the unintended consequences. Women who have made the decision to abort have extreme feelings of remorse and depression. Women’s liberation has not been all it was cracked up to be. Buyer’s remorse, so to speak.
Special K on May 19, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Even if it is an outlier, it doesn’t change your fringe-dweller status. Sorry.
ddrintn on May 19, 2009 at 5:20 PM
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