David Frum is wrong

posted at 9:08 pm on May 18, 2009 by Slublog

Earlier, Allahpundit posted this link to David Frum’s latest post. In it, he says the following:

There was a lot of wild political hate expressed during the Bush years. I was there, I remember. But short of the crazy 9/11 denialists, no prominent liberal figure – certainly nobody as central to the left as Limbaugh is central to the right – ever accused either President Bush or Vice President Cheney of wishing to do harm to America. To have accused them of such a thing would have been to accuse them of treason.

His evidence for this claim is two quotes by Rush Limbaugh. One saying Obama’s instincts on terrorists are wrong; the other saying that Obama is, with his policies, hurting America. There is no statement that seems strong enough to justify Frum’s assertion. Limbaugh seems to be using the same tone parents often take with their children when they’re engaged in self-destructive activities – ‘Do you want that shelf to fall on your head? Keep pulling it.’ His statement seems more hypothetical than anything else. If anything, Frum’s willingness to attribute Rush’s statement to ODS is evidence of his own crusade to caricature Limbaugh as a political Snidely Whiplash tying up the GOP’s future and placing it on the train tracks.

However, what’s most ridiculous about Frum’s statement is his belief that “no prominent liberal figure” ever accused the Bush administration of wanting to harm America. To that statement, I offer the following rebuttal, in quote form:

To begin with, from its earliest days in power, this administration sought to radically destroy the foreign policy consensus that had guided America since the end of World War II.

Wow. What sort of fringe nutjob would accuse the Bush administration of actively seeking to destroy our foreign policy consensus?

Um, former Vice President Al Gore, on May 26, 2004.

Exhibit B:

In the end, for this administration, it is all about power. This lie about the invented connection between al Qaeda and Iraq was and is the key to justifying the current ongoing Constitutional power grab by the President. So long as their big flamboyant lie remains an established fact in the public’s mind, President Bush will be seen as justified in taking for himself the power to make war on his whim. He will be seen as justified in acting to selectively suspend civil liberties – again on his personal discretion – and he will continue to intimidate the press and thereby distort the political reality experienced by the American people during his bid for re-election.

Surely this was written by an anonymous lefty blogger. No respectable, “prominent” liberal would accuse the president of knowingly using a terrorist attack and deception to justify a power grab that trashes the constitution!

Think again. That was Al Gore, June 24, 2004.

Those quotes were the result of five minutes with Google. Given more time, I’m sure I could find more. So David Frum is either a tech-newbie, or he’s immune to evidence that contradicts his hyperbole.

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I have got to know the mindset that allows someone to say something like that, knowing full well (I hope) that they can be easily disproved by a 5 minute internet search.

Techie on May 18, 2009 at 9:11 PM

He has the same problem as all of them, including the editorial writers. They are trying to knock out shows and columns without thinking.

AnninCA on May 18, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Yeah, no one opposed “Bush’s War”, declared it failed/lost, or hoped it would fail. Nooooooo

How did Howard Dean become the frontrunner in 2002?

scottm on May 18, 2009 at 9:13 PM

An don’t forget that Gore said Bush betrayed the country

clnurnberg on May 18, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Frum’s willingness to attribute Rush’s statement to ODS is evidence of his own crusade to caricature Limbaugh as a political Snidely Whiplash tying up the GOP’s future and placing it on the train tracks.

You mean that Frum is pursuing his self interest above the interests of the conservative movement? I’m shocked.

Bill C on May 18, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Grass is green, sky is up, etc.

jimmy the notable on May 18, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Really we don’t need to show the article

just the link with the title… thats good enough

karasoth on May 18, 2009 at 9:15 PM

If anyone told me I had to choose Frum over Rush, I’d laugh in their face…

StevefromMKE on May 18, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Was Al Gore wrong though? The administration did lie about an Al Qaeda / Iraqi connection and used that lie to justify a war and legislation like the PATRIOT Act. I will give you that it sounded radical at the time, but hindsight is 20/20 as they say.

jonknee on May 18, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Geesh, how about everyone who protested outside the Supreme Court when it found in favor of Bush over Gore? No one said they hoped Bush would fail? Yeah, right!

scottm on May 18, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Frum really is a waste of time and space.

clnurnberg on May 18, 2009 at 9:17 PM

FRUM IS A PREENING CENTRIST LIKE LIDSEY GRAHAM, A REAL NOWHERE MAN – UNLESS THAT SOMEWHERE ADVANCES HIM PERSONALLY.

RUSH HAS DONE MORE FOR CONSERVATISM AND THE GOP THAN FRUM HAS – OR EVER WILL.

reliapundit on May 18, 2009 at 9:17 PM

Frum: No one cares about what you think, you little creep.

Noone follows mushy moderates will no principles who are only out to earn the romance of the liberal media.

Oh, and your site sucks too.

therightwinger on May 18, 2009 at 9:17 PM

Now come on, be fair. Dont forget all of the wonderfull people that insisted for months and then YEARS that “Bush had stolen the election”!

Seems like it is easier to list the democrats in the senate and house that did NOT make this claim. To that end I can name …. well NONE OF THEM!

Freddy on May 18, 2009 at 9:17 PM

Who is this David Frum? The only time I ever hear about him is when he is ripping on conservatives.

Queen0fCups on May 18, 2009 at 9:18 PM

Bush had eggs thrown at his inauguration motorcade. Nope, no one wanted him to fail from Day 1. No……………..

Techie on May 18, 2009 at 9:18 PM

propaganda is here. Alive and feeding a frenzy to cover the the posteriors of the postulates that put this Admin in power.

In my neck of the woods it’s called CYA. Good luck you’all. I think most thinking Americans had your number a long time ago.

As I Watch. With real hope for My Country.

seesalrun on May 18, 2009 at 9:19 PM

just watched hannity interview Ventura, don’t know how he does it.

jp on May 18, 2009 at 9:20 PM

Frum has Limbaugh/Palin Derangement Syndrome. He’s a one trick pony, he’s obsessed.

Topsecretk9 on May 18, 2009 at 9:20 PM

propaganda is here. Alive and feeding a frenzy to cover the the posteriors of the postulates that put this Admin in power.

In my neck of the woods it’s called CYA. Good luck you’all. I think most thinking Americans had your number a long time ago.

As I Watch. With real hope for My Country.

Axelrod outsourcing the astroturf?

Protip: It’s “Y’all”. And postulates ? I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Techie on May 18, 2009 at 9:21 PM

The administration did lie about an Al Qaeda / Iraqi connection and used that lie to justify a war

Prove it.

Topsecretk9 on May 18, 2009 at 9:22 PM

So David Frum is either a tech-newbie, or he’s immune to evidence that contradicts his hyperbole.

Or he doesn’t give a rat’s hiney about evidence that might contradict what he’s spouting off about. Do you think anyone in the MSM is going to call him on it?

It’s all about the spouting off and the more he does of it the more “airplay” he gets, the more “airplay” he gets the more cash he gets. End of story.

rockhead on May 18, 2009 at 9:23 PM

The fact is,the Liberal Moonbats have come out time and time again,especially on late night talk radio that Bush
was going to make something happen,and declare marshall
law!

And ensure s third term!

However,the New World Order nutjobs,like Alex Jones,are
wrong,at the rate Obama is going,the nutjobs should worry
about the Obama Administration!

So far,Obama has demonstrated that Obama Derangement Syn
drome is real,and that is because Hopey has already shown
that he deserves that phrase!

All along Liberals kept saying outlandish things that Bush
was going to do,and yet it was Obama that actually has done
them!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on May 18, 2009 at 9:23 PM

His evidence for this claim is two quotes by Rush Limbaugh. One saying Obama’s instincts on terrorists are wrong; the other saying that Obama is, with his policies, hurting America.

What a huge understatement. Rush didn’t just say BO’s instincts on terrorists were wrong, he claims that BO’s instinct was to “let terrorists go in the United States on the street.” Maybe he’s back on the meds because that isn’t reality based.

And he didn’t claim that BO was just hurting America with his policies, he asserted that the Whitehouse has meetings everyday as to how best hurt America. Again, pure BS and not grounded in reality.

Rush is an entertainer, it’s sad that he has this much power in the GOP.

jonknee on May 18, 2009 at 9:23 PM

“So David Frum is either a tech-newbie, or he’s immune to evidence that contradicts his hyperbole.”

Third option………..

…………. he is an idiot.

Seven Percent Solution on May 18, 2009 at 9:24 PM

AnninCA on May 18, 2009 at 9:11 PM

It does look like the lack of ability of most writers to criticize the current administration has them regurgitating the past and not accurately. I think Maureen Dowd is experiencing stasis -stuck on Bush & Cheney because she isn’t allowed or doesn’t want to criticise the Current Administration.

Dr Evil on May 18, 2009 at 9:25 PM

Remember that time when Bush staged a terror event and used it to justify canceling national elections?

Yeah, me neither.

Techie on May 18, 2009 at 9:25 PM

Is he in rubberface?

Fortunata on May 18, 2009 at 9:25 PM

Maybe he’s back on the meds because that isn’t reality based.

The selective nature of liberal sympathy is always so impressive.

Slublog on May 18, 2009 at 9:28 PM

I look forward to hearing Rush everyday, Frum not so much.

califdreamnred on May 18, 2009 at 9:28 PM

let terrorists go in the United States on the street.”

Ummmmm, you do know that’s a real possibility, right?

Chinese Muslim inmates at Guantanamo Bay prison to be freed in U.S.
Move is 1st release of any of the detainees into this country

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is preparing to free into the United States Chinese Muslims being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the first release of any of the detainees into this country, according to current and former U.S. officials.

The release is seen as a crucial step in plans announced by President Barack Obama during his first week in office to close the prison and relocate the detainees.

However, the decision to release them is not final and faces challenges within the government as well as likely public opposition.

There are 17 Chinese Muslims, known as Uighurs, at Guantanamo. A U.S. official familiar with the discussions of their release said as many as five to seven could be resettled in the U.S.

Techie on May 18, 2009 at 9:29 PM

It does look like the lack of ability of most writers to criticize the current administration has them regurgitating the past and not accurately. I think Maureen Dowd is experiencing stasis -stuck on Bush & Cheney because she isn’t allowed or doesn’t want to criticise the Current Administration.

She gets blasted everytime she does that, not that getting blasted is a bad thing. Readership is everything. But yes, I agree with you.

Rachel Maddox’s ratings are plummeting. Same thing. You can get by with sloppy rhetoric during a campaign. After all, it’s all opinion right up to voting day.

Now, it’s quite different. Even Krugman, Mr. Finance, has whipped out some of the absolute worst columns I’ve ever read on the subject. It’s like he’s racing out the door to a soccer game or something.

AnninCA on May 18, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Arrrghhh*……Sorry, I’m still learning to format.

AnninCA on May 18, 2009 at 9:30 PM

Frum is such a dolt
Why would anyone care how he says they should vote?
Is he a idiot or a skunk
A conniving McCainiac or a drunk?

I’m sure he’s flatulent and crass
Here, here, the man’s a horse’s ass!
No, no, he just connives for his own kind
And he’s very RINO inclined

Whatever the latest ruse he may employ
He brings America no joy
We’re not going to fall for his crap
Can’t somebody turn off his bloody tap!

PercyB on May 18, 2009 at 9:31 PM

I look forward to hearing Rush everyday, Frum not so much.

Rush says dumb stuff all the time. That’s the beauty of radio, though. When he’s on one of nonsensical kicks, just change the channel.

AnninCA on May 18, 2009 at 9:31 PM

This comes from one stinking, rotting place called the liberal mind. They created this entire idea that if you repeat a lie often enough you can quote it as truth because in general people are too stupid and lazy to go look up the facts.

Thank KKKlinton for making such use of that one it’s now the norm for liberal scumbags.

Spiritk9 on May 18, 2009 at 9:33 PM

How about Terry McCauliffe and a bunch of Dem Senators and Congressmen going to see Fahrenheit 9/11 and telling reporters that they think everyone should go and see it.

Imagine if someone made a movie like that about Obama and tried to release it during the 2012 campaign? Imagine if one single theater in a big, “sophisticated” city actually dared to show it?

ardenenoch on May 18, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Frum’s wife writes for the HuffPo, doesn’t she? Sounds like he’s bought the bill of goods, drank the kool-aid, licked the liberal acid off the postage stamps…so haldol won’t help

clnurnberg on May 18, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Does this fool not even recall Olberdouche? Or that Presidential assassination movie?

StevefromMKE on May 18, 2009 at 9:36 PM

“I have got to know the mindset that allows someone to say something like that, knowing full well (I hope) that they can be easily disproved by a 5 minute internet search.”

Techie, Short answer – a liberal’s – I meet it all the time on various sites posting.

right4us on May 18, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Was Al Gore wrong though? The administration did lie about an Al Qaeda / Iraqi connection and used that lie to justify a war and legislation like the PATRIOT Act. I will give you that it sounded radical at the time, but hindsight is 20/20 as they say.

jonknee on May 18, 2009 at 9:16 PM

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

MB4 on May 18, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Frum is a rotten piece of garbage, he sucks.

echosyst on May 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Frum is enjoying that special status that the media confers upon liberals (and convenient wobblies) where just saying something makes it so, no matter how absurdly false it is.

When you are a media darling, not only will nobody in the media challenge you for even the most preposterous claims, they will force the uncool people you slander to defend themselves against it.

It’s a gift libs enjoy automatically, and it drives wobblies like Frum mad with envy. They calculate “Maybe if I lean just a bit more toward the cool people…

drunyan8315 on May 18, 2009 at 9:41 PM

yeah maybe I should have said those who postulate but for you here techie
pos·tu·late (psch-lt)
tr.v. pos·tu·lat·ed, pos·tu·lat·ing, pos·tu·lates
1. To make claim for; demand.
2. To assume or assert the truth, reality, or necessity of, especially as a basis of an argument.
3. To assume as a premise or axiom; take for granted. See Synonyms at presume.
n. (psch-lt, -lt)
1. Something assumed without proof as being self-evident or generally accepted, especially when used as a basis for an argument

seesalrun on May 18, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Frum should know better.

RobCon on May 18, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Frum should know better.

RobCon on May 18, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Not about knowledge, this is about making money.

clnurnberg on May 18, 2009 at 9:45 PM

“Was Al Gore wrong though? The administration did lie about an Al Qaeda / Iraqi connection and used that lie to justify a war and legislation like the PATRIOT Act. I will give you that it sounded radical at the time, but hindsight is 20/20 as they say.”

jonknee on May 18, 2009 at 9:16 PM

uh-humm, http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/05/iraq-releases-video-of-purported-al.html

right4us on May 18, 2009 at 9:46 PM

David Frum is wrong.

Also: Sun rose in the East yet again, setting a world record for number of consecutive times it’s done so.

Hollowpoint on May 18, 2009 at 9:47 PM

Douchebaggery run seriously amok. Nothing more pathetic to watch than a delusional wannabe thinking they’re “in”.

varnson on May 18, 2009 at 9:47 PM

let’s make it simple though – propagandists, those in bed with a vested interest in this thug inspired administration.

Their much like the trolls here…..waiting on their check, yeah?

seesalrun on May 18, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Frum is wrong…. jeez I thought you’d post something we didn’t know.

roux on May 18, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Has Limbaugh ever sat next to a former president at a republican convention? I seem to remember Mikey Moore doing just that. I believe Moore is as prominent to the left as Limbaugh is to the right. Frum has a short memory, or something.

Sue on May 18, 2009 at 9:50 PM

China takes another step towards dumping the Obama dollar

They are slowly tip toeing to the door, not wanting to crash the Obama dollar before they can get out.

semloh on May 18, 2009 at 9:51 PM

jonknee on May 18, 2009 at 9:16 PM

MB4 on May 18, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Heh, Jonknee, I think you’ve been shown ‘what’s for dinner’ by MB4, and it appears to be you.

TeeDee on May 18, 2009 at 9:53 PM

Frum is just trying to drive traffic to his s*itty website. Ignore him and maybe he’ll go away.

Purple Fury on May 18, 2009 at 9:53 PM

If anyone told me I had to choose Frum over Rush, I’d laugh in their face…

StevefromMKE on May 18, 2009 at 9:16 PM

If someone told me I had to choose Frum over Rush, that person would be picking themselves up off the ground.

Same applies to the idiot who tells me the same crap about Colin Powell; you know the guy who endorsed the most Liberal man to ever run for potus simply because he’s black.

These twits need to be beat until they learn to keep their mouths shut unless asked.

Keemo on May 18, 2009 at 9:53 PM

Maybe Frum will marry Meghan McCain and they will elope to the Democrat party!

right4us on May 18, 2009 at 10:01 PM

jonknee on May 18, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Proof.

Johan Klaus on May 18, 2009 at 10:03 PM

The left doesn’t have an equivalent to Rush.

To have accused them the current administration of such a thing would have been to accuse them of treason.

If the GD shoe fits…

Speakup on May 18, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Spot on, Slub. I’d add that Frum’s invocation of Birchers also includes a logical slide from “will do something dangerous to the country” to “will knowingly do something dangerous”. Weak beer.

Chap on May 18, 2009 at 10:11 PM

I saw this and had the same reaction as well – Frum’s claim is delusional and calls into question his state of mind both now and when “he was there” during the Bush administration.

The *entire* eight years of Bush’s terms *and* a period of time *before* he was in office, as well as the several months *since* he left have been witness to a wholesale deranged attack from the *entire* left -including entire media networks of tv, print and radio, Senators and Congresspersons, former Presidents and Vice Presidents, Hollywood – *LITERALLY* hundreds of prominent names/faces – *continually* suggesting that Bush/Cheney/et al were treasonous, guilty of war crimes, in desperate need of assassination, etc.

Frum. Is. Delusional. And/or extremely disingenuous.

Midas on May 18, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Was Al Gore wrong though? The administration did lie about an Al Qaeda / Iraqi connection and used that lie to justify a war and legislation like the PATRIOT Act. I will give you that it sounded radical at the time, but hindsight is 20/20 as they say.
jonknee on May 18, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Yea that connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq was so thin…

July 25 1990 Excerpts From Iraqi Documenton Meeting with U.S. Envoy: Saddam “We cannot come all the way to you in the United States, but individual Arabs may reach you.” so said Saddam in a threat made to our ambassador prior to Kuwait invasion by Iraq. (Entire document is an interesting look into the mind of a quite crazy Middle East dictator. Though the quote above, which I came upon inside of Misunderstimated by Bill Sammon, should send those who believe Saddam was above threatening us with terrorists to the showers. The July 25 1990 link sends you to my site’s archive of the main document in its entirety)

April 16, 1993 How Do We Know that Iraq Tried to Assassinate President George H.W. Bush? In late-April 1993, the United States learned that terrorists had attempted to assassinate Bush during his visit to Kuwait. The Kuwaiti authorities arrested 17 persons suspected in the plot to kill Bush using explosives hidden in a Toyota Landcruiser. The Kuwaitis recovered the Landcruiser, which contained between 80 and 90 kilograms of plastic explosives connected to a detonator ( the Bush device or Bush explosive device ). The Kuwaitis also recovered ten cube-shaped plastic explosive devices with detonators (the cube-bombs ) from the Landcruiser. Some of the suspects reportedly confessed that the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS ) was behind the assassination attempt.

On April 29, 1993, CIA bomb technicians compared the Bush explosive device to two known Iraqi explosive devices found in different Middle-Eastern countries in 1990 and 1991 (the Middle-East devices ) . The technicians reported that the remote control firing mechanism in the Bush device was identical to those in the Middle-East devices. Additionally, the technicians reported that blasting caps from the Bush device appeared to be identical to those found in one of the Middle-East devices. The technicians later concluded that the circuit board from the Bush device also closely resembled circuit boards from the Middle-East devices

1998 Radio Free Europe Saddam plots the destruction of Radio Free Europe BIS allegedly had been aware that Iraq had requested its consul, Jabir Salim, to organize the terrorist operation against RFE/RL, apparently in retribution for the start-up last year of Radio Free Iraq.The Czech press says Baghdad sent the consul $50,000 to organize the attack but the consul asked for more money. Baghdad allegedly sent an additional $100,000. The consul then fled to London in December, taking the money, his family and the embassy codes. The government reportedly only found out about the plans to attack RFE/RL from British intelligence.

Saddams plot to blow up Radio Free Europe . Part 2 The tale begins in 1998, when Radio Free Europe, which is headquartered in Prague, started broadcasting anti-Saddam programs into Iraq, infuriating the dictator. Late that year, Tom Dine, the director of Radio Free Europe, says U.S. officials warned him that “the Iraqis were plotting to blow us up.” The information about the plot, sources said, came from a recent Iraqi defector who had fled Prague for Great Britain carrying nine suitcases and $150,000 in cash-the proceeds of which were supposed to have been used to finance the operation.

Radio Free Europe started round-the-clock video surveillance of the building. Soon enough, the cameras picked up a heavyset Middle Eastern man who was hanging around the RFE building taking pictures. He was sometimes accompanied by a thinner, taller man who wore a Shell Oil jacket. RFE passed along the pictures to the Czech intelligence agency, known as the BIS. The Czechs identified the heavier man as Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani, an Iraqi diplomat widely believed to be a spy. The thinner man was never identified.

January 1993 Newsweek article written Sept 2002 Seeing the Evil In Front of Us Christopher Dickey January 1993 Newsweek article written Sept 2002 Seeing the Evil In Front of Us Christopher Dickey So Islamic radicals from all over the Middle East, Africa and Asia converged on Baghdad to show their solidarity with Iraq in the face of American aggression. Chechens in Persian-lamb hats, Moroccans in caftans, delegates who hailed “from Jakarta to Dakar,” as one Senegalese put it, poured into Baghdad’s Rashid Hotel, where Saddam’s minions urged them to embrace jihad as “the one gate to Paradise.” And the greatest holy warrior of all? “The mujahed Saddam Hussein, who is leading this nation against the nonbelievers,” they were told. “Everyone has a task to do, which is to go against the American state,” declared Saddam’s deputy Ezzat Ibrahim. The Americans had colonized Lebanon; they had colonized Saudi Arabia. But the line against them would be drawn in Iraq. Believers would triumph, said Ibrahim: “Our stand now can lead us to final victory, to Paradise.”

That was in January 1993. I was there, and every time I hear diplomats and politicians, whether in Washington or the capitals of Europe, declare that Saddam Hussein is a “secular Baathist ideologue” who has nothing to do with Islamists or with terrorist calls to jihad, I think of that afternoon and I wonder what they’re talking about.

The Contradictions of Michael Scheuer celebrated author of Imperial Hubris: Michael Scheuer has some valuable insights into our war, but what we are focused on here are his contradictory views towards the idea that Iraq was giving aid to Al Qaeda. He has become a sort of celebrity to the left because of statements like this:

So we did the research, we gave him the documentation, we came up with a conclusion. But then we turned all of that information over to the analysts, and the analysts then did the same thing. They, as far as I know, found no connection that was remotely approaching what DoD was claiming in regard to Saddam and Al Qaeda.

The left bless their black little hearts don’t say much about what he wrote in his first book concentrating instead in his new career as a Bush basher. They miss marvelous stuff like this from his earlier book “ Through Our Enemies’ Eyes”:

In Sudan, bin Laden decided to aquire and , when possible, use chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear (CBRN) weapons against Islam’s enemies. Bin Laden’s first moves in this direction were made in cooperation with NIF Leaders, Iraq’s intelligence service, and Iraqi CBRN scientists and technicians. He made contact with Baghdad through its intelligence officers in Sudan, and by a Turabi-brokered June 1994 visit by Iraq’s then-intelligence chief Faruq al-Hijazi; according to Milan’s Corriere della Sera, Saddam, in 1994, made Hijazi responsible for “nurturing Iraq’s ties to [Islamic] fundamentalist warriors.” Turabi had plans to formulate a “common strategy” with bin Laden and Iraq for subverting pro-U.S. Arab regimes, but the meeting was a get-aquainted session where Hijazi and bin Laden developed good rapport that would “flourish” in the late 1990s.

06 November 1998 TEXT: US GRAND JURY INDICTMENT AGAINST USAMA BIN LADEN (It is worth noting that this indictment had the full support of Mr. Scheuer, indeed he bragged about it.)

United States District Court Southern District of New York New York — A U.S. Federal Grand Jury in New York on Nov. 5 issued an indictment against Usama Bin Laden alleging that he and others engaged in a long-term conspiracy to attack U.S. facilities overseas and to kill American citizens. The indictment noted that Al Qaeda, Bin Laden’s international terrorist group, forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in Sudan and with the government of Iran and with its associated group Hezballah to “work together against their perceived common enemies in the West, particularly the United States.” Additionally, the indictment states that Al Qaeda reached an agreement with Iraq not to work against the regime of Saddam Hussein and that they would work cooperatively with Iraq, particularly in weapons development.

4. Al Qaeda also forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in the Sudan and with the government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezballah for the purpose of working together against their perceived common enemies in the West, particularly the United States. In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of
Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq. Full indictment at link above

October 14, 2001 Sabah Khodada was a captain in the Iraqi army from 1982 to 1992.
Sabah Khodada was a captain in the Iraqi army from 1982 to 1992. He worked at what he describes as a highly secret terrorist training camp at Salman Pak

So you were training Iraqis, Saddam’s fedayeen, members of the militia in Iraq. And someone else, other groups, were training the non-Iraqis?

They were special trainers or teachers from the Iraqi intelligence and al-Mukhabarat. And those same trainers or teachers will train the fedayeen, the Iraqi fedayeen, and also the same group of those teachers will train the non-Iraqis, foreigners who are in the camp. Personally, my profession is not this kind of training. My profession is to train people on infantry, typical infantry training, such as training on machine guns, pistols, hand grenades, rocket launchers on the shoulder and this kind of training. The special training that I’m talking about, such as the kidnapping and so, is conducted by those trainers who are not from the army; they are from … al-Mukhabarat.And there was a person who is very famous. They call him Al-Shaba. [ph]. This is Arabic word means “The Ghost,” who was responsible for all the training, and those trainers or the teachers.

Why was he called the Ghost?

I don’t know exactly why he’s being called the Ghost. I came there and his name was the Ghost. But I know that he has conducted several terrorist operations in Lebanon and in other countries all over the world. And I know that he told us that he’s been requested to be arrested by the Interpol. This is probably why he called himself the Ghost.

Edward Jay Epstein’s look into the Salman Pak terrorist training base
Question: What warning, if any, did the CIA receive from the National Reconnaissance Office concerning Arabs training on the fuselage of a passenger airliner at a terrorist training camp prior to September 11th, 2001?

Answer: After Sabah Khalifa Khodada Alami, an Iraqi military officer, defected from Iraq in 1999 to Turkey. He now lives in Fort Worth, Texas. When he was debriefed, he described his training mission at Salman Pak, a military base about 21 miles from Baghdad that had been used for the testing of secret weapons, including chemical biological warfare agents, and paramilitary training for covert actions. Captain Sabah Khalifa Khodada Alami said that as late as 1998 he trained an elite commando team, Fedayeen Saddam, in airline hijacking and sabotage. Through a translator, Mr. Alami described, according to the Wall street Journal, a daily regimen of exercises on kidnapping, assassination, and — using a Boeing 707 parked inside the complex — how to hijack a plane or bus without weapons. He said that a separate group of non-Iraqis were being similarly trained by Saddam’s intelligence service, the mukhabarat. Asked about the plane by an interviewer for Front Line, he said “Yes, there’s a real whole 707 plane, a whole real plane, standing in the middle of the training area in this camp.”

January 7, 2002 Iraq’s Tie to Al-Qaeda Terrorists, Airline Hijackings From: Aviation Week Space Technology Headline: Satellite images of a facility near Baghdad show an airliner that Iraqi defectors say is used to train terrorists in the art of hijacking. Space Imaging, which operates the Ikonos civilian surveillance satellite, was prompted to look for the aircraft in existing photos after a ”Frontline” television show interviewed two Iraqi defectors who described the hijacker training and the aircraft used for the mock attacks.

Salman Pak / Al Salman Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility at Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations. The Salman Pak biological warfare facility was located on a peninsula caused by a bend in the Tigris river, approximately five kilometers (km) from the arch located in the town of Salman Pak. The facility area comprised more than 20 square km, and might have been known as a farmers (or agricultural) experimentation center. The peninsula was fenced off and patrolled by a large guard force. Immediately inside and to the east of the fence line were two opulent villas: the larger built for Iraqi president Saddam Hussein and the other for his half-brother, Barazan al-Tikriti. A main paved road ran through the center of the Salman Pak facility/peninsula. GulfLINK

Marines capture suspected terrorist training camp SALMAN PAK
The rusted shell of an old passenger jet sat out in a field, its tail broken off. Good for hijacking practice, U.S. Marines speculated Sunday as they examined an Iraqi training base about 20 miles south of Baghdad.The Americans also found a full obstacle course — with wooden walls and other barriers to be climbed over or crawled under — as well as a three-story concrete tower draped with ropes, apparently for rappelling.

President Saddam Hussein’s regime has said the camp, part of a larger military reservation in a bend of the Tigris River, was used for anti-terrorism training for Iraqi special forces.

But U.S. officials and others have long suspected the camp trained terrorists. Two former Iraqi military officers told The New York Times and PBS’s “Frontline” in the fall of 2001 that Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs were brought here to practice hijacking planes and trains, planting bombs and staging assassinations.

BRIG. GEN. VINCENT BROOKS CENTCOM Confirms Salman Pak as Terror Training base
We continue the operations in and around the area and beyond. There was a raid last night by First Marine Expeditionary Force, but what they raided was a training camp near Salman Pak. You can see the explosion along on the map near Salman Pak. This raid occurred in response to information that had been gained by coalition forces from some foreign fighters that we encountered from other country, not Iraq, and we believe that this camp had been used to train these foreign fighters in terror tactics. It is now destroyed.

PierreLegrand on May 18, 2009 at 10:14 PM

MB4 on May 18, 2009 at 9:38 PM

I have watched video of Al Gore bashing 41 for not doing something about Saddam Hussein back in the early 90s my sister blog posted it. Scroll down to the video…you tube- imagine so easy the man who invented the internet could use it :)

“Did you know that Al Gore was an Iraq war “warmonger” back in 1992? I didn’t either, until I saw the following clip, which is of the Goracle taking the former Bush administration to task over their supposed ignoring of …

… Saddam’s ties to terror.”

In Fact Bryan of Hot Air brought it up:

Bryan at Hot Air sets the stage for Gore’s comments:
The thesis of the Gore speech: Reagan-Bush had looked the other way and let Saddam Hussein become a terroristic menace and a WMD developer. They had ignored Saddam’s many operational ties to terrorists over the years so they could maintain relations with him and offset the threat from the mullahs in Iran. Reagan-Bush and then Bush 41 on his own had shown weakness in the face of the threat from Saddam’s Iraq, a weakness that was not offset even by the 1991 Gulf War victory. Gore’s speech was intended to make an issue of Republican weakness in the face of terrorism, and in the face of Saddam’s hard and verified connections to terrorism in particular.

http://sarah-palin-2012.blogspot.com/2009/03/before-al-gore-invented-global-warming.html

Dr Evil on May 18, 2009 at 10:16 PM

Hellloooo jonkey!!! Hellooo???

Hellooo Dumbass??

We’re anxiously awaiting your scathing rebuttal.

…is this thing on???

BigWyo on May 18, 2009 at 10:16 PM

TeeDee:
The problem is, it really doesn’t matter what you do to it. It’s still just gruel.

Blacksmith8 on May 18, 2009 at 10:21 PM

Any comment on the Uighurs issue?

Techie on May 18, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Frum is just forwarding the Talking Points.

The MSM pays less for thinking than regurgutating.

Projectile vomit as journalism is the new anti-Gonzo.

profitsbeard on May 18, 2009 at 10:29 PM

Al Gore unfulfilled stand up comedian. Hey did you all hear the group that was going up to the Arctic to measure the ice turned around early because of the cold…….I kid you not.

Speaking live from the ice he also said: “It was very hard at the start.

“The cold was too much on some occasions but we persevered as best we could. Those were the dark bits.

http://news.google.com/news?um=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=catlin+arctic+ice+survey+

Dr Evil on May 18, 2009 at 10:31 PM

An Inconvenient reality

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/04/arctic_ice_thicker_than_expect.html

Hurry someone think up a new name for cap and trade LOL!

Dr Evil on May 18, 2009 at 10:34 PM

I don’t care what anyone says that thar ice treking team is funny.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/26/admiration-for-the-catlin-explorers/

Unintended entertainment, an unfortunate laughing fit, Inconvenient frostbite GRIN.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/11/catlin-artic-ice-survey-packing-it-up-what-have-they-accomplished/

Dr Evil on May 18, 2009 at 10:39 PM

Frum is scum

bill30097 on May 18, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Frum is not just wrong, he’s an idiot who is intent on proving it at every turn.

TheBigOldDog on May 18, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Arrrghhh*……Sorry, I’m still learning to format.

AnninCA on May 18, 2009 at 9:30 PM

Just think of simple equations.

Trochilus on May 18, 2009 at 10:45 PM

If Frum can’t hack American politics, he really should just go back to Canada.

Leaving aside the fact that Bush was repeatedly attacked by voices of the left insisting that he was bringing on not just an American but a global Apocalypse — it really is OK, David, for Rush to express his opinion on Obama’s instincts and policies.

It’s not dirty pool. There’s never, ever, ever been any sort of standard, tacit or otherwise, that says prominent exponents of partisan positions are crossing a line if they are categorically critical of the opposing politicians.

Not in the USA, anyway. I don’t know where this myth comes from, that presidents are entitled to some all-encompassing benefit of the doubt, no matter how demented their policies are. Presidents are entitled, like the rest of us, to due process of law. Beyond that, their political actions are fair game.

Frum apparently isn’t aware of the fact that the Founders gave us a separation of powers, checks and balances, and constitutional limitations on government, precisely because NO president is entitled to an uncritical approval from the citizenry, or a honeymoon period in which people are supposed to park their brains in the garage and pretend that collectivism and tyranny might just do us a world of good, by cracky! — if only we’d let that smiling Mr. Obama try them.

No, that’s not what our government is designed to promote. I oppose virtually everything Obama wants to do, because it’s so unbelievably wrong, and would do such damage to American liberties and blessings. The best outcome I can envision is that Obama is obstructed, stymied, and blocked in as much of what he wants to do as we can manage; and then we start retaking Congress, and elect an actual conservative Republican to the Oval Office in 2012.

And our Constitution is intended to give me the tools to accomplish just that, if enough people agree with me. It contains no codicils specifying any number of days I’m obligated to pretend Obama’s ideas might achieve something good, before I can get down to business. And that all applies equally to Rush Limbaugh.

OK. Rant OFF.

J.E. Dyer on May 18, 2009 at 10:51 PM

“He BETRAYED this country. He played on our fears!”

Let’s not forget Harry Reid telling a group of schoolchildren that Bush was a ‘loser’.

Kevroy on May 18, 2009 at 10:51 PM

Has Limbaugh ever sat next to a former president at a republican convention? I seem to remember Mikey Moore doing just that. I believe Moore is as prominent to the left as Limbaugh is to the right. Frum has a short memory, or something.

Sue on May 18, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Very good.

Yep, Michael Moore was front and center at the Democratic Convention in 2004. And Moore repeatedly called Bush a war criminal (among other things) from at least 2003 on…

http://www.badgerherald.com/news/2004/10/18/moore_labels_bush_wa.php

Was Howard Dean a “crazy 9/11 denialist” or a prominent Democratic presidental candidate? I can’t remember:

http://www.slate.com/id/2092515/

Of course, the aforementioned Gore frothing at the mouth in his endlessly replayed speech.

Obviously this is only barely scratching the surface of the insanity that dominated the airwaves and newspaper pages for eight years. No way Frum could believe the garbage he spits out.

The less said about Frum, the better. The man is a moron. He deserves a special sort of censure for the illogically destructive, nihilistic, scorched earth “policy perscription” and criticism he is putting out. I have the feeling he himself knows he is spewing nonsense and just keeps it up anyway-for attention, revenge, who knows? The man is beneath contempt. He always struck me as an effete, sheltered fool.

Dreadnought on May 18, 2009 at 10:52 PM

The plural Frums spelled backwards is Smurf.
I don’t know what that means, but that observation is about as logical as his inane RINO arguments tend to be.

TexasJew on May 18, 2009 at 10:55 PM

Frum is nuts. Every single prominent Democrat accused Bush of lying the United States into an unnecessary war with Iraq. Every single last effing one.

Terry Gain aka Basilsbest

Basilsbest on May 18, 2009 at 11:14 PM

David Frum is the male Meghan McCain.

Sapwolf on May 18, 2009 at 11:40 PM

Frum is a remora clinging to the big fish for a free ride. He’s best ignored.

ddrintn on May 18, 2009 at 11:52 PM

David Frum is bitter because he was passed over as editor-in-chief of National Review for Rich Lowry, a much more likeable and telegenic sort than the dour and nebbishy Frum. Lowry, according to Frum’s supporters, simply isn’t an “public intellectual,” whatever that means, while Frum is, in his own mind. He’s bitter that The Corner doesn’t disown Limbaugh.

He’s just a bitter, increasingly irrelevant, elitist chump and I saw the sooner he can be kicked to the curb, the better.

ILB on May 18, 2009 at 11:55 PM

Frum is a bum.
Frum is dumb.
Frum is scum.
Frum is a crumb.
Frum is not yum.
I wish he was mum.

Geochelone on May 19, 2009 at 12:04 AM

Now come on, be fair. Dont forget all of the wonderfull people that insisted for months and then YEARS that “Bush had stolen the election”!

Seems like it is easier to list the democrats in the senate and house that did NOT make this claim. To that end I can name …. well NONE OF THEM!

Freddy on May 18, 2009 at 9:17 PM

I still blame Al Gore (the sore loser) and his ilk for so weakening the incoming president. Instead of settling in and having the expected honeymoon period, GWB had to fight for the election that was his, while the whole world watched the USA make fools of themselves with that “Hail to the Theif” garbage.

I do blame not just Bill Clinton for the events leading up to 9/11, I blame Al Gore and his ilk even more for what better time in a terrorist’s mind to strike then at that weak time in our history that he helped to create?

DrAllecon on May 19, 2009 at 12:08 AM

Was Al Gore wrong though? The administration did lie about an Al Qaeda / Iraqi connection and used that lie to justify a war and legislation like the PATRIOT Act. I will give you that it sounded radical at the time, but hindsight is 20/20 as they say.

jonknee on May 18, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Here we go again. The lies about Iraq all came from the side that accused Bush of lying. Which includes you. You can’t offer proof, because there isn’t any. And you won’t have the decency to apologize for repeating lies. The least we could hope for is that you would have the decency to shut your mouth, but I don’t expect that either.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on May 19, 2009 at 12:11 AM

Neither of the Al Gore quotes claim that Bush was on a mission to destory America. Sorry Sublog, your examples don’t disprove Frum’s assertion that no one as revered by the left as Rush is by the right made statements about Bush as inflammatory as Rush has made about Obama. Keep googling.

underceij on May 19, 2009 at 12:24 AM

Frum is yet another of those tedious faux ‘Republicans” who gains most of his notoriety by showing liberals how easily he can slip the knife into the backs of other Republicans with a smile and an air of self-righteous justification. Never turn you back on him and never let him behind you in a foxhole.

With Frum it is hard to tell if he really believes that the route to success for Republicans is to simply be democrat lite, or if he simply has no moral compass whatsoever. I’m guessing the latter. Just remember, when you are going into a battle – and the Republicans will be very soon – the last thing you need are a company of Frum’s ready to shiv you form behind.

Mr A on May 19, 2009 at 12:36 AM

I posted the follwoing under Frum’s article:

No, Rush is NOT suffering from Obama derangement syndrome. Rush is calling Obama on being the most left wing President we have ever had, which Obama is. The Obama budget is deficit spending gone beserk — $1.8+ trillion in the next fiscal year! The banking industry and much of the car industry have been effectively nationalized. Obama is intent upon what may fairly be called socialized medicine and has an extreme pro-abortion record. And I have not started to write about foreign policy. There, Obama has pursued an appeasement course, pining for a meeting with Iran’s Ahmadinejad; you would think that Chavez and Castro were American allies. All of these policies are and will be harmful to America. Just because you can’t rationally accuse Bush and Cheney of harming America with their mostly conservative policies does not mean that you must think that Obama’s left wing policies at home and appeasement abroad are not harmful to America.

As for Colin Powell, Dick Cheney is right: Powell stopped being a Republican. Powell, while being Secretary of State, said nothing to his bosses Bush and Cheney about Armitage being Novak’s source concerning Valerie Plame, but rather let the President and Vice President get pilloried in the liberal press. Powell in the last Presidential election endorsed and voted for a left wing Democrat in Obama over John McCain. Rush, with his belief in free market economics, represents traditional GOP principle, not Powell who has in this age of Obama endorsed more Government in people’s lives.

I don’t agree with everything Rush says. He unfairly attacks John McCain, ignoring McCain’s conservative voting record in the Senate this year, and Rush seems to think that all the GOP needs to do is to articulate conservative principles to win in the future. While I think that delivering a conservative message is one part of the task for the GOP ahead, it is but one part. Rush talks about the Reagan formula of 1984, but he forgets that in 1984, Reagan was an incumbent President at a time of prosperity and peace — a winning combination. In 1996, Bill Clinton won by a wide margin without a conservative message but with the benefit of prosperity and apparent peace (the gathering storm of radical Islam was not on people’s radar).

In 2008, it wasn’t running what Rush unfairly calls a moderate campaign that killed the GOP. It was a combination of factors: (i) a financial crisis that caused economic uncertainties that historically have favored Democrats and did in 2008 (McCain had gone ahead in September in the polls, but then the financial “crisis” hit); (ii) a Bush Administration bailout that muddied the waters of the difference between the parties on economics and diluted the largely Reaganesque message on the campaign trail delivered by the McCain-Palin ticket; (iii) Bush unpopularity, which was unfair but which was a factor; (iv) the Obama money that paid for what was false political advertising (how do you win against a 7 to 1 advantage?); (v) the media bias that operated day in, day out as a propaganda machine for Obama; and (vi) demographic changes (if the country had the same demographic make up as 1992 and groups voted in the same percentage McCain-Obama as they did in 2008, McCain would have won). Had more foreign problems arose and reminded everyone of McCain’s strengths in foreign policy, military matters and national security, then McCain would have been elected despite everything.

The point is that today, contrary to Rush, we cannot comfort ourselves with easy formulas, but rather confront all that went wrong in 2008. To overcome a mainstream media bias, Leftist money fueling Leftist propaganda and causes, ACORN operatives, and demographic changes are favoring Democrats, just talking conservative principles per Rush won’t be enough. Among other things, Republicans need to reconnect with the people at such gatherings as TEA parties and Town Hall meetings and bring a message applied to the specific circumstances of American lives and explain how Democrat multi-trillion dollar deficit spending and Big Government hurts people in their every day lives.

So Rush can be fairly criticized, just not on the basis of the above Frum article.

Phil Byler on May 19, 2009 at 12:44 AM

David. What went wrong?

Mr. Joe on May 19, 2009 at 12:46 AM

Sorry Sublog, your examples don’t disprove Frum’s assertion that no one as revered by the left as Rush is by the right made statements about Bush as inflammatory as Rush has made about Obama. Keep googling.

underceij on May 19, 2009 at 12:24 AM

Really?

Saying that Bush was a war criminal, as Moore did, isn’t as inflammatory?

Moore isn’t as revered by the left as Limbaugh is by the right? They packed his crappy movie and sat him next to Jimmy Carter at the Democratic convention.

Saying that Bush “Betrayed this country”, as Gore did, isn’t as inflammatory?

Gore isn’t revered by the left? Please. Millions of them voted for him, and packed his crappy movie.

Dean suggesting Bush might have had advance notice of 911 isn’t as inflammatory? Cmon.

In fact so many prominent leftists made so many extremely inflammatory criticisms of Bush, for eight years, that people simply became inured to it after a while, I think.

That must be your excuse. It’s either that, or simple willful ignorance, that would cause you to make such an absurd claim.

Dreadnought on May 19, 2009 at 12:52 AM

Makes me sick that Frum makes more money than me by writing this tripe.

Tim Burton on May 19, 2009 at 1:11 AM

Found this old post from Hawkdriver and thought it was apropos. I have never heard Rush say he hates Obama, but he hates what he’s doing to America.

Who Hates Who?
Liberal hate words and rants.
“I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for…” — Howard Dean
“George W. Bush is evil. He is a terrorist. He is evil. He is arrogant. And he is out of control.” — Julianne Malveaux
“The day Dick Cheney is going to run for president, I’ll kill myself. All we need is one more liar.” — Helen Thomas
“But in my darker moments, I wonder whether the war wasn’t a cover to persuade good, open-minded folk like Glenn (Reynolds) to enable the theocratic impulses of the Republican base.” — Andrew Sullivan
My personal favorite follows…
“And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the – of – the historical customs, religious customs.” — John Kerry slams the troops again
“I felt like a n*gger.” — Ralph Nader on his run at the presidency in 2004.
“(The) idea that we’re going to win the war in Iraq is an idea which is just plain wrong.” — Howard Dean
If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime–Pol Pot or others–that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.” — Democratic Senator Dick Durbin
getalife, how did you like Randi?
“A spoiled child (Bush) is telling us our Social Security isn’t safe anymore, so he is going to fix it for us. Well, here’s your answer, you ungrateful whelp: [audio sound of 4 gunshots being fired.] Just try it, you little b*stard. [audio of gun being cocked].” — A “humor bit” from the Randi Rhodes show
“Do our government’s poorly paid contract killers deserve our “support” for blindly following orders?” — Ted Rall shows his “support” for the troops
“If I had my way, I would see Katherine Harris and Ken Blackwell strapped down to electric chairs and lit up like Christmas trees. The better to light the way for American Democracy and American Freedom!” — Democratic Talk Radio’s Stephen Crockett
“Real freedom will come when [U.S.] soldiers in Iraq turn their guns on their superiors.” — Warren County Community College adjunct English professor, John Daly
hawkdriver on March 1, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Watch what you post, someone might record it! :) Thought this was a good one. And thinking of you, hawk! Stay safe!

Christian Conservative on May 19, 2009 at 1:25 AM

underceij on May 19, 2009 at 12:24 AM

Your reading comprehension is matched only by your spelling skills.

Jim Treacher on May 19, 2009 at 1:29 AM

Makes me sick that Frum makes more money than me by writing this tripe.
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Tim Burton on May 19, 2009 at 1:11 AM

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The people who pay David Frum, Kate Parker, and their ilk don’t give a rat’s patootie about the content of their writing. They only care if it attracts readers.
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So long as sites like this one continually link the drivel they produce, they will be well paid.
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These folks (including Chris Buckley, Peggy Noonan, and others) have proven they have nothing to say to conservatives beyond, “Stop being conservatives!” Why do we need to see ever more evidence of what we already know? Who benefits from this, besides those who betrayed us?
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Remember, the opposite of love is not hate. It is indifference.
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Adjoran on May 19, 2009 at 1:36 AM

Laughable.

Both quotes are nothing like saying that Obama wants to side with terrorists. You’re outrageously outrages that the liberals are accusing the conservative of trying to destroy the foreign policy consensus?

What are views on the significance of the UN, again?

Exactly.

radiofreevillage on May 19, 2009 at 2:52 AM

crap… what are YOUR views… ?

radiofreevillage on May 19, 2009 at 2:53 AM

Christian Conservative on May 19, 2009 at 1:25 AM

Good examples and if I had the time, I´d find more.

No one can deny that moveon.org, Kos and Michael Moore are at least as central to the Democrats as Limbaugh is to the GOP. And Limbaugh is a serene intellectual by contrast.

Frum chided conservatives for disowning Colin Powell, but we were pretty kind to Powell. THEY called Petraeus a liar and in effect a traitor, remember?

Some more Howard Dean quotes:

“Our moral values, in contradiction to the Republicans’, is we don’t think kids ought to go to bed hungry at night.”

“This president is not interested in being a good president. He’s interested in some complicated psychological situation that he has with his father.”

“The Republicans are all about suppressing votes. Two voting machines if you live in a black district, 10 voting machines if you live in a white district. (…) You think people can work all day and then pick up their kids at child care or wherever and get home and still manage to sandwich in an eight-hour vote? Well Republicans, I guess can do that. Because a lot of them have never made an honest living in their lives.”

el gordo on May 19, 2009 at 4:35 AM

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