Catholic college president: Obama protesters at ND were “religious vigilantes”
posted at 10:58 am on May 18, 2009 by Allahpundit
The perfect ironic conclusion to yesterday’s paean to tolerance and dialogue at Notre Dame: The leader of a Catholic school sneering at student protesters for practicing freedom of speech in defense of Church teachings. Rarely have liberal Catholicism and campus Orwellianism meshed more beautifully.
Speaking on Trinity’s campus in Northeast Washington, McGuire said that “a half-century of progress for Catholic higher education is at risk of slipping back into those insular, parochial pre-Vatican II days” when academic freedom was not valued within the Catholic Church.
“The real scandal at Notre Dame today is not that the president of the United States is speaking at commencement,” McGuire said. “The real scandal is the misappropriation of sacred teachings for political ends. The real scandal is the spectacle of ostensibly Catholic mobs camping out at Notre Dame for the specific purpose of disrupting the commencement address of the nation’s first African American president. This ugly spectacle is an embarrassment to all Catholics. The face that Catholicism shows to our new president should be one marked with the sign of peace, not distorted in the snarl of hatred.”
McGuire continued, “The religious vigilantism apparent in the Notre Dame controversy arises from organizations that have no official standing with the church, but who are successful in gaining media coverage as if they were speaking for Catholicism. . . . They have established themselves as uber-guardians of a belief system we can hardly recognize. Theirs is a narrow faith devoted almost exclusively to one issue. They defend the rights of the unborn but have no charity toward the living. They mock social justice as a liberal mythology.”
Included among the snarling, hateful vigilantes who dared to speak for Catholicism despite their renegade belief system: At least 55 American bishops. No matter, though. According to McGuire’s spokesman, her remarks drew the same kind of fawning applause The One himself received yesterday at ND. I know I’m known as a big-tent guy when it comes to the GOP, but er, how big is the Church’s tent, exactly, when its intellectual leadership is dumping publicly on kids who stand up for life? And since when does peaceful protest not qualify as a “sign of peace”?










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Well, AnninCA, for the first time in a long time, the majority of Americans polled are PRO LIFE.
chunderroad on May 18, 2009 at 1:14 PM
Well, AnninCA, for the first time in a long time, the majority of Americans polled are PRO LIFE.
The issue isn’t about abortion for me, anyway. It’s about respect for differing perspectives and civil dialogue.
I was equally adamant and will continue to be that the remarks made about the teaparties coloring everyone as racists were wrong, too.
Universities establish their own policies, or used to, for awarding honorary degrees. Making everything politically charged is not at all healthy for the country, in my opinion. That goes for the other side, too.
AnninCA on May 18, 2009 at 1:20 PM
I don’t have a dog in this fight (I’m not Catholic, not ND alum, etc.), but I believe that it was a rule that no honors from Catholic universities would be given to those that espoused pro-abortion points of view. Letting Obama speak at the commencement wasn’t the big issue, giving him an honorary degree was (I think). Then, this president goes out a derides those of the religion that formed his school…crazy.
Geministorm on May 18, 2009 at 1:26 PM
I remember a Catholic church that didn’t trade off core beliefs for any kind of metrosexual tendencies.
Speakup on May 18, 2009 at 1:27 PM
I pretty much would like to see liberals removed from the public square–nicely of course, and CA and NY liberals in particular. I’m thinking perhaps of giving them a state, and then building a wall separating them from others–perhaps with an outlet to the sea and an airport. I feel they would be happier and so would I–sort of a two state solution. I’m glad to take you up on your suggestion to remain civil, and to put the matter up for discussion, as both sides are equally valid and passionate in their beliefs.
JiangxiDad on May 18, 2009 at 1:28 PM
As a Catholic, I see this as less about politics than I do about the failure of the Catholic Church to uphold the values we profess. The speech yesterday looked no different to me than the many campaign events we saw for Obama. All that was missing were the styrofoam columns. As a Catholic, I felt alienated from the Church watching that spectacle. It was the second time in my adult life I was ashamed of my Catholic Church.
msmveritas on May 18, 2009 at 1:29 PM
I happen to be a Catholic and will never again donate to any church collection that may even remotely fund the operation of Notre Dame.
Onager on May 18, 2009 at 1:30 PM
Join the club. Can you imagine being an American and jewish? It’s an embarassment! Well, since Am. Jews aren’t jewish, and Am. catholics aren’t catholic, we can only hope Am. Muslims aren’t Islamic.
JiangxiDad on May 18, 2009 at 1:32 PM
Exactly, I spent 10 years teaching as a Cathecist only to see my years of effort undermined with a glorified campaign rally. The Church can no longer moan and groan about losing their flock.
msmveritas on May 18, 2009 at 1:38 PM
The Church would probably be better off losing some of the goats in the “flock”.
darclon on May 18, 2009 at 1:40 PM
“Cafeteria Christianity”–find a church that teaches what you want to hear, and get away with breaking whatever Commandment you find inconvenient. You can even find one that asks God to d@mn America, and this is all well and good within the First Amendment within our Republic.
But the purpose of church is to prepare people for Heaven, and Heaven is a monarchy, under a righteous, loving, and merciful king, whose mercy has its limits. Every person has a choice–find a church to serve onself, or change oneself to serve the king. It’s a life-and-death decision, and we will all (including Hussein the First) face the king in the future.
Steve Z on May 18, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Jesus said, “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and unto God what is God’s.” One thing Jesus is saying is obvious — you cannot count the taxes you give to the state as being part of your charity. So I don’t.
But Jesus was mute on one aspect of this — in a fixed income world, the amount you are required to give to Caesar certainly affects the amount you can give to charity. At the present time, the Government taxes (albeit at a lower rate) my charity, where once they did not tax it at all. Those taxes have to come from somewhere, and where they have come from are reduced contributions to those charities I would normally contribute to, all so that Government can fund, with what would have been my contributions, things I don’t agree with (like teachers’ unions and abortions).
The reason McGuire doesn’t recognize the belief system is because he is no longer Catholic — or, rather, is one of these “cafeteria Catholics” we hear so much about — the Jeffersonian ones who snip and cut from the Bible the inconvenient stuff, and ignore as well the attendant interpretations contained within the Catechism.
A call for social justice is an individual call — and the moment I satisfy that call by taxing those more fortunate than I, I have committed theft. This is a thought alien to liberals, who contribute little to charity out of their own pockets, all the while salving their consciences by voting for higher taxes.
unclesmrgol on May 18, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Whether you agree or not, the Church’s position against the death penalty does NOT carry the same moral weight as its position against abortion. So the fact that Pres Bush supported the death penalty did not reach the same level of condemnation as Obama supporting abortion. Live with it.
katiejane on May 18, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Actually the REAL scandal is the substitution of political ends for sacred teachings. When your sermons cannot be distinguished from the editorial page of the NY Times, you have left God behind and embraced secularism.
PackerBronco on May 18, 2009 at 1:59 PM
Were it up to me, I would never have protested the ND decision, I would have just simply removed approbation, so that they could no longer advertise themselves as a Catholic University. I would not have made a big speech about it, I just would have said: “Honorary degree for Obama? Well, you certainly have that right. Oh by the way, please remove the word “Catholic” from your letter head, advertising, and all media. Have a nice day. -click-”.
PackerBronco on May 18, 2009 at 2:11 PM
It’s shameful that Notre Dame University is still being allowed to call itself a Catholic University. What’s the bishop there doing? Maybe taking a trip out of the country like Terri Schiavo’s bishop did while she was being starved and dehydrated to death.
Shameful, despicable, cowardly, and spineless.
Mulligan on May 18, 2009 at 2:12 PM
Does ND answer to the Bishop of the local Diocese? I didn’t think so, but I’m not sure.
CDeb on May 18, 2009 at 2:15 PM
So the real issue is that some Catholics still can’t get over the whole murdering babies thing. Well excuse me but I’d rather protect the innocent (a teaching long ago lost on McGuire) than pay homage to a man who has protected and voted for the right to commit infanticide. Christ would be amazed as the money changers have returned to the temple.
And the irony is if it’s a choice and there is nothing wrong with – then why worry about how many are done, why would Obama want to help ensure their are less abortions – it there is nothing wrong with it?
Armando on May 18, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Better a vigilante than a Judas.
argos on May 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM
The real scandal is the spectacle of ostensibly Catholic mobs camping out at Notre Dame
The face that Catholicism shows to our new president should be one marked with the sign of peace, not distorted in the snarl of hatred.
The religious vigilantism apparent in the Notre Dame controversy
They defend the rights of the unborn but have no charity toward the living. They mock social justice as a liberal mythology.
The above statements you agree with. You’re a hypocrite. McGuire attacks students and bishops who held prayer vigils and spoke up for what they believe in yet she attacks them with unsubstantiated claims that they are hateful religous vililantes who don’t really care about the issue of life to begin with. She throws in Obamas race to make a subtle charge of racism onthe protesters part. This woman is your typical anti-dissent university liberal, but you defend her.
Daemonocracy on May 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Hey if the president was coming to make a commencememnt speech at the ND graduation, I find it odd that the subject of his graduation commencemembnt speech was abortion.
I know new college grads can be frisky, but why speak on abortion at this occasion?
Seems like an odd graduation topic.
ObamatheMessiah on May 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM
AnninCA on May 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM
It doesn’t really matter how many percent you disagree. It is a fact. Cold and hard.
CDeb on May 18, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Since you are not the voice for the positions of the RCC – your disagreement means squat.
katiejane on May 18, 2009 at 2:57 PM
I taught and was trained as a Catechist. I am against the death penalty personally but the Church leaves marginal opening for use of the death penalty. This is just a fact. There is no equivocation on abortion whatsoever. There is a huge distinction between the two issues that should be glaringly obvious, innocence of life.
Though I oppose the death penalty on a moral basis there are practical reasons for doing so as well. The life of the convicted is defended with extreme use of legal resources. What baby in his/her mother’s womb has an attorney making the case to spare it’s life? Is there ever a reprieve phone call from a governor at the 11th hour stopping the abortion? Why should a baby’s life be on trial anyway?
msmveritas on May 18, 2009 at 3:11 PM
This cartoonist sums up Obama’s Notre Dame speechifyin’ perfectly.
Sorta reminds me of Red Meat
Definitely adding this into my daily viewing, in addition to Michael Ramirez.
The Ugly American on May 18, 2009 at 3:16 PM
This is from the document “Ex Corde Ecclesiae” promulgated by Pope John Paul II, from the USCCB website:
Mulligan on May 18, 2009 at 4:13 PM
So it seems that they operate as “Catholic” at the local Bishop’s pleasure.
Thanks.
CDeb on May 18, 2009 at 4:16 PM
CDeb, happy to be of assistance. (-:
Mulligan on May 18, 2009 at 4:36 PM
If this uncatholic conflarktuation doesn’t educate you about what eventully happens to “Big Tents” that “Compromise” with baby-killing liberal putrefaction, nothing will.
TMK on May 18, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Universities establish their own policies, or used to, for awarding honorary degrees.
Yes. But don’t you find it…interesting…that a school that proudly declares its Catholicism doesn’t seem to have a problem with a commencement speaker who’s on record supporting infanticide?
Did I say infanticide? I’m sorry, I meant allowing those who survive an abortion to die of exposure/starvation/lack of care.
I R A Darth Aggie on May 18, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Ruuuddyyy, Ruuuddyyy, Ruuuddyyyyyy. Go Irish! Not!
Big John on May 18, 2009 at 5:06 PM
When you have a president of your university that thinks he is bigger than the Pope, words are a complete waste of good air. If you are Catholic and feel the actions of said president went against the teaching of the church, then withholding from donations to the school as long as he is in office is an appropriate action. To consider donating to a school who supports his actions makes you a hypocrite and a mockery of your religion. Your action to support the institution that mocks your beliefs makes you worse that he that mocks. The decision is very simple. The right will prevail and the weak shall be scattered in the wind. Your choice.
volsense on May 18, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Ahh. The refreshing result of liberation theology and the religious left working still to take over.
Although I was not happy about the awarding of the degree, I was appalled by the introduction and terrible cheering by the masses.
I started flashing back to visions of the Church’s hard-left turn in the late 60s and early 70s. I had to change the channel.
Dan. on May 18, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Well it does have a certain symmetry to it ..
Stickeehands on May 18, 2009 at 7:02 PM
So Catholic Americans are just as pathetic as Jewish Americans? We’ve got Evangelicals who are more pro-Israel than many Jews. Maybe it’ll be up to the Evangelicals to start sticking up for the old timers at the Vatican too.
I recently attended the Bar Mitzvah of a family member. As I walked into the synagogue, the Rabbi, who looked like a nerdy high school kid, was talking about how proud he was of the fact that Jews were becoming more active in fighting against global warming. I was ready to turn around and go back out to the parking lot for the remainder of the service.
ardenenoch on May 18, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Torture
Torture
Torture
I love Torture
So say those who would rip a living baby out of the only place it’s designed to develop!
will sass u on May 18, 2009 at 8:20 PM
Go tell that to Jesus, Padre.
Queen0fCups on May 18, 2009 at 8:36 PM
To McGuire: you should be ex-communicated. The protesters at Notre Dame should be commended for standing up for Christian truth.
Phil Byler on May 18, 2009 at 8:54 PM
To ardenenoch re your post on May 18, 2009 at 7:41 PM: You need the Christian Evangelical Right to speak up, or else, among other things, Israel will be toast.
Phil Byler on May 18, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Ms McGuire, I am a Catholic and the commit you made:
IMcGuire continued, “The religious vigilantism apparent in the Notre Dame controversy arises from organizations that have no official standing with the church, but who are successful in gaining media coverage as if they were speaking for Catholicism. . . .”
is without a dought, the most damming for any Catholic I have ever heard. God forgive you, but I will not.
foxone on May 18, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Addendum:
In Catholicism, some sins are venial (minor) and some are mortal (major). While gluttony (the storing up of riches) is venial, murder is mortal, and attempts to condone or support murder must be resisted.
McGuire fails in his analysis to understand this distinction. Obama is committing a mortal sin by supporting abortion. A protest on behalf of awarding honors to a person who is unrepentantly in mortal sin — and who celebrated that sin in his commencement speech — is a travesty.
What we saw at ND were a few principled people in a sea of unprincipled people. That most of these people call themselves Catholic is of no import — after all, many who wore the Swastika were Catholic too, and felt just as strongly as Obama’s followers that the end justifies the means.
I’m heartened by the picture in the LA Times today of the woman wearing the cross and babies’ feet on the top of her mortarboard.
I think AnninCA has the better argument here — you happen to be in somewhat “violent” agreement. A quick examination of the Catechism yields this:
Your argument that the prohibition is not absolute covers only those places in the world not under a firm rule of law. In places where the firm rule of law presides, AnninCA’s argument is correct.
Given the the United States of America is a place where the firm rule of law presides (we have orderly court, enforcement, and prison systems in place), the wording leaves no room for wiggling — the death penalty here becomes murder — a sin, and those who participate in it are committing a mortal sin.
Note that the “death penalty” does not include police action during “hot pursuit” or actions as a result of martial law — it implies that the person has been processed through the judicial system and that they are, indeed, restrained by the state and incapable of further aggression.
unclesmrgol on May 18, 2009 at 9:28 PM
Again you can post and post and the guilt will still persist.
Jamson64 on May 18, 2009 at 9:30 PM
I believe you did write “infanticide”. Of course, you are right. His reasons for doing so are even more interesting — that the awarding of human status to the aborted but viable child might chill the environment for women attempting to obtain legal abortions, due to the possibility of a murder charge against the abortion provider.
Interesting reasoning, which shows that there is no common ground other than for Obama to modify his web pages to offend us less, even as he continues policies designed to increase rather than lessen the number of abortions.
unclesmrgol on May 18, 2009 at 9:36 PM
who gives a shit what the vatican says?
Xolom on May 18, 2009 at 10:04 PM
I’ve been reading this book – “Goodbye Good Men – How Liberals Brought Corruption into the Catholic Church”
http://www.amazon.com/Goodbye-Good-Men-Liberals-Corruption/dp/0895261448
It seemed a bit far-fetched (homosexuality in the seminaries, proabortion and gay priests teaching in seminaries), but hearing more and more from so-called progressive Catholics, like this McGuire, I am beginning to believe that there has been a very deep degradation in the church.
gxpgxp on May 18, 2009 at 10:25 PM
As a Catholic I can say this without the slightest morsel of guilt:
McGuire you are a horses Azz. I despise all Judas Priest Pedophiles and the POPE can kiss my lily white read end. To hell with them all. McGuire is just religious elitist who gets in the way of worshiping God. You can be pro-God and pro-Belief and at the same time against the church. The Church is just a beauracracy.
Geochelone on May 18, 2009 at 10:26 PM
“A narrow faith’, he says of those who protested. Jesus said the same thing, ‘The way is narrow’. I don’t think they were speaking on the same level. What part of abortion middle ground does Obama want to reach? This guy is so slick and getting more confident every day. Freedom of Choice Act will be up next.
Kissmygrits on May 18, 2009 at 11:10 PM
I’m old enough to remember when the leaders of the Catholic Church in America acted like Catholics.
Red State State of Mind on May 18, 2009 at 11:14 PM
So I take it that the Pope is a “Religious Vigilante”.
TexasJew on May 18, 2009 at 11:24 PM
From the same Vatican that would not condemn the Pedeophiles!
Folks, the only true Religion is following the Teaching’s fo Christ Himself. He is the ONLY true God! In the Beginning was the Word and Word was with God and the Word was God. John 1:1
And the Word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us.. John 1:14
Read it for yourself. Jesus is the Only Way! Acts 2:38
will sass u on May 19, 2009 at 12:08 AM
lies.
None of the off campus protesters were enrolled students.
Were the two protesters in the commencement ceremony students?
Looked to meh like the students and their families liked O being there.
About those bishops….how become Benedict didn’t make a statement?
No guts?
And….look what I found!
Sample bias in Pew!! Outlier Alert!
lol!
You are exactly where GW left you.
Screwed, because nothing will happen unless Roe is overturned.
;)
strangelet on May 19, 2009 at 12:42 AM
I am pro-choice, in the early part of the term before the fetus has an active brain – after which it should be protected, but I cannot respect those who are hypocrites and sacrifice principles for political expediency.
Cheers to the protesters who had the courage to stand up for their convictions. The smearers, as I understand Catholicism, have some serious atoning or repenting to do to get to the good place.
greenLibertarian on May 19, 2009 at 3:25 AM
I think that McGuire called the protesters NAZI’s.
Johan Klaus on May 19, 2009 at 4:05 AM
So, McGuire is a Democrat?
Geronimo on May 19, 2009 at 5:56 AM
One of the most important and inspiring religious leaders in my life is Sir Thomas More. This may sound strange coming from a Mormon but I have spoken about his faith, piety and courage to my children on a number of occasions. Let’s face it, he’s an all star with a lot to teach.
It is interesting to me to consider the university president’s remarks and how they would have been received by More. The gap in her logic would undoubtedly have been seized upon by More and I like to imagine that once his shock wore off about how someone so high in church responsibility could be so poor in understanding, he would have pummeled her rhetorically.
The fact that she would raise the issue of charity to shield her galactically erroneous assertions regarding the single issue “mobs” is nothing short of stunning. What issue could demonstrate a lack of charity more plainly than an unwillingness to stand in defense of our society’s most vulnerable citizens.
I know first hand the hurt that invariably results when a prominent member of a person’s faith so shamelessly and wrecklessly dishonors the doctrines held sacred by the rank and file (Reid, Hatch, Romney, Huntsman) It is insulting and infuriating. These people are charged with at the very least keeping the faith if not defending it. And yet so many look down their noses and condescendingly explain that what we believe is right but… These people then seek to enlighten us by parsing the word of God and showing us the loopholes in the doctrine that we would have seen if only we weren’t such a bunch of rubes.
More had it right but unfortunately had to seal his teachings with his blood. I only wish that the error of thought by many Christians didn’t have to be recorded with the blood of our unborn children.
Mormon Doc on May 19, 2009 at 6:03 AM
I agree:
seanrobins on May 19, 2009 at 7:06 AM
More like wishful thinking from a leftist website.
CDeb on May 19, 2009 at 7:25 AM
haha, 538 is the pollsters mecca, my sillie conservo droogies.
They were stone accurate on the last election.
Your problem is that while people might support restrictions on abortions, they simply do not support overturning Roe.
68% of Americans DO NOT support overturning Roe.
Since you are still DOA on that, right where GW left you I might add, wouldn’t it be wise to gracefully accept Obama’s outstretched hand of compromise?
Jus’ sayin’.
strangelet on May 19, 2009 at 8:55 AM
Presumeably you neither have abortions or perform them, so that is not the blood of YOUR unborn children.
MYOB and GTFO.
strangelet on May 19, 2009 at 8:58 AM
I’m a Catholic vigilante, and I’m damn proud of it!!
madmonkphotog on May 19, 2009 at 9:23 AM
My word. You are a bitter, heartless, self-centered, selfish bastard aren’t you?
MYOB and GTFO in a thread dealing specifically with abortion?
Can’t you at least excuse the doc for having a heart for all humanity rather than just the humanity you deem politically correct while you kill off the rest?
Slimeball. Go back under the rock you slid out from under.
Rod on May 19, 2009 at 9:51 AM
summation
verdict
strangelet on May 19, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Here’s an idea: instead of having to go through the trouble of publishing a new post every day, why don’t you just have a permanent spot for the Know Nothings to ramble on and on and on …
corona on May 19, 2009 at 11:29 AM
McGuire is a perfect example of what Flip Wilson called “The Church of What’s Happening Now.”
Too much like Revrum’ Wright for comfort when it becomes all about him rather than Him.
viking01 on May 19, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Wait till the media gets a load of Vigilante Voters :)
marklmail on May 19, 2009 at 12:09 PM
I call BS.
It is run by an Obama supporter.
Because they’ve been lied to about what “overturning Roe” means.
When a criminal has a gun to your head, do you want me (and the rest of society) to MMOB and GTFO?
Yeah, that’s what I thought.
CDeb on May 19, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Will be interesting to see how Obama’s trip to ND influences donor contributions, especially the more senior donors who have the deeper pockets.
I think the President of the school will be in for a rude awakening.
SmallGovtGuy on May 19, 2009 at 12:15 PM
I posted several times that Obama would come out the winner out of this, and he did. Father Pavone comes off as unhinged. He is not representative of Catholic priests. The Catholic Church leans left except for one issue. The vast majority of the people behind the protests were not even Catholics.
Chekote on May 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM
It would not matter if 3/4 of the world perished; if the remaining 1/4 were Socialist.
-Lenin-
GunRunner on May 19, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Great then lets have some respectful dialogue.
You are for the Presidents position, I am against.
Here is my argument:
I think it is wrong to suck a fully formed baby out of a mothers womb after puncturing the fully functioning brain. I think it is murder in this instance. I also think it is a travesty to pull the baby out of the womb, and even though still alive, and healthy, you kill it on the operating table.
Now you may defend your position:
Not so easy to have a discussion, when one side viciously murders innocent children…but then I haven’t heard your explanation of why this is good for America, and a righteous thing to do.
I will wait for your discerning rebuttal.
right2bright on May 19, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Exactly, one of the wonders of the world, is how leftist the Catholic organization is.
They are truly supportive of most every socialist regime. Democracy is not something they embrace.
right2bright on May 19, 2009 at 7:17 PM
I always find some irony is that someone who is fighting for life, someone who is fighting to save life and bring it into the world is so condemned.
Such a strange belief, I may be able to understand someone not agreeing, but to say that someone fighting to save a life is a terrible person, part of a “mob”, sets back humanity, I just can’t grasp.
When has life been so expendable, and when has a person who cannot defend themselves be so expendable…and when someone fighting for the rights of the least among us is ridiculed, and maybe even in the minority, what does that say about humanity?
A hundred years from now they will discuss this, like we discuss the sacrifices of the ancient Aztecs…a barbaric belief that life is not so precious as to do anything to protect it.
right2bright on May 19, 2009 at 7:23 PM
OK, Touchdown Obama did not score, the Pope remained silent.
It just disgusts me and tests my Tolerance but not my Faith.
Obama would select Dr. Mengele for Surgeon General,if he was still around.
Just greatly wondering if Obama us the Anti Christ.
Maybe.
old trooper2 on May 20, 2009 at 5:13 AM
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