Catholic college president: Obama protesters at ND were “religious vigilantes”
posted at 10:58 am on May 18, 2009 by Allahpundit
Share on Facebook | printer-friendly
The perfect ironic conclusion to yesterday’s paean to tolerance and dialogue at Notre Dame: The leader of a Catholic school sneering at student protesters for practicing freedom of speech in defense of Church teachings. Rarely have liberal Catholicism and campus Orwellianism meshed more beautifully.
Speaking on Trinity’s campus in Northeast Washington, McGuire said that “a half-century of progress for Catholic higher education is at risk of slipping back into those insular, parochial pre-Vatican II days” when academic freedom was not valued within the Catholic Church.
“The real scandal at Notre Dame today is not that the president of the United States is speaking at commencement,” McGuire said. “The real scandal is the misappropriation of sacred teachings for political ends. The real scandal is the spectacle of ostensibly Catholic mobs camping out at Notre Dame for the specific purpose of disrupting the commencement address of the nation’s first African American president. This ugly spectacle is an embarrassment to all Catholics. The face that Catholicism shows to our new president should be one marked with the sign of peace, not distorted in the snarl of hatred.”
McGuire continued, “The religious vigilantism apparent in the Notre Dame controversy arises from organizations that have no official standing with the church, but who are successful in gaining media coverage as if they were speaking for Catholicism. . . . They have established themselves as uber-guardians of a belief system we can hardly recognize. Theirs is a narrow faith devoted almost exclusively to one issue. They defend the rights of the unborn but have no charity toward the living. They mock social justice as a liberal mythology.”
Included among the snarling, hateful vigilantes who dared to speak for Catholicism despite their renegade belief system: At least 55 American bishops. No matter, though. According to McGuire’s spokesman, her remarks drew the same kind of fawning applause The One himself received yesterday at ND. I know I’m known as a big-tent guy when it comes to the GOP, but er, how big is the Church’s tent, exactly, when its intellectual leadership is dumping publicly on kids who stand up for life? And since when does peaceful protest not qualify as a “sign of peace”?
You must be logged in to post a comment.
Blowback
Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.
Trackbacks/Pings
Trackback URL
Comments
Comment pages: 1 2 3 Next »
Things are just getting back to normal, that’s all.
spmat on May 18, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Yeah, this will get the alumni to contribute again, for sure.
Rebar on May 18, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Just … Wow. ShamWow!
progressoverpeace on May 18, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Someone really ought to tell the Pope about all this, or is he still busy advising the jews and muslims?
JiangxiDad on May 18, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Just a guess… but when it is protest of the first African-American president.
myrenovations on May 18, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Benedict’s got a lot of house-cleaning to do and these idiots (the president of Trinity, etc.) are doing everything they can to get noticed.
The next time there’s a turnover at the top of these universities, expect Benedict to send a “friendly reminder” to the Board Of Advisors that the schools are supposed to follow Catholic doctrine.
teke184 on May 18, 2009 at 11:02 AM
When it goes against liberal orthodoxy.
zmdavid on May 18, 2009 at 11:03 AM
And to think he’s apparently are hardliner…
Upstater85 on May 18, 2009 at 11:03 AM
It’s a good thing that he himself wasn’t… people might think that ND was a religious institution.
Upstater85 on May 18, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Sorry, I’m unwilling to concede absolute moral authority to Obama–on any issue.
BuckeyeSam on May 18, 2009 at 11:04 AM
This, perhaps better than anything, reflects just how divisive a figure Obama is. McGuire, just like Obama, accuses of all those who dissent from HER ideological position of being ideologues. I really don’t know what will be left of America once Obama is done. I only hope that conservatives can find a way to come together to defeat him so that he’s done in 2012, not 2016.
ProfessorMiao on May 18, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Pro-abortionists saw that recent poll and are getting desperate.
They’re going to go the gay marriage route and attempt to destroy anybody against them.
amkun on May 18, 2009 at 11:05 AM
If Benedict can right this ship, he’ll go down in history as one of the greatest Popes for doing it. Heck, I might become a Catholic if he succeeds.
joe_doufu on May 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM
There was some discussion on whether or not ND will be able to keep its “Catholic” standing (or affiliation?) over the whole episode. I wonder what will become of this, if anything?
eforhan on May 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Somebody is asking for excommunication.
Vegi on May 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Didn’t Pelosi go to Trinity?
Wethal on May 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Great video of 80-year-old Father Norman Weslin being (peacefully) arrested at Notre Dame for protesting Obama’s appearance:
Play Like A Champion Today
I guess Father Weslin is a “religious vigilante,” then.
Missy on May 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Well, there’s yet another university I won’t ever be sending my kids to…
ErinF on May 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM
The Vatican will probably respond, but in a measured and timely manner. Church politics typically move at what we outsiders consider glacial speed, from what I’ve seen.
Something about 2,000 years of history and making careful adjustments. Our 300-year-old culture doesn’t understand that very well.
cs89 on May 18, 2009 at 11:07 AM
I saw a great bumper sticker this weekend:
SAVE A BABY.
ABORT LIBERALISM.
ErinF on May 18, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Unlike the protesters, Obama showed a lot of class to the Class of 2009. Bishops who fulminate about inviting the President of the United States of America to Notre Dame’s commencement are also playing political games within the Catholic Church itself, and trying to boost themselves in the process. The truth is that the U.S. Catholics are a far more liberal bunch than Rome has been happy with for decades now, and they’re increasingly voting Democratic despite what some of their priests may have to say about abortion.
starfleet_dude on May 18, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Soon DHS will release a report warning us against religious vigilante terrorists.
Daggett on May 18, 2009 at 11:08 AM
OK this school is Catholic in name only. They use it when it helps them, but as has been shown have no problem sweeping it under the rug when they need to.
I think we can stop giving them special treatment. They are just like any other private school.
WisCon on May 18, 2009 at 11:09 AM
True. They finally did get around to saying Galileo was right ten years or so ago… ;p
starfleet_dude on May 18, 2009 at 11:09 AM
There was a time when the Church upheld its own convictions. Since the Church was founded by religious vigilantes, then it looks like faith lives in the hearts of Christians outside of the Holy Church. As Martin Luther said, “For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel.”
chunderroad on May 18, 2009 at 11:09 AM
McGuire just called the peaceful protesters racists.
We knew it would come to this.
Knucklehead on May 18, 2009 at 11:09 AM
…so, it comes back to racism, then?
Punk.
Count to 10 on May 18, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Sorry, but I agree with McGuire. And I futher agree with Huntsman’s campaign director that if this is the direction of the GOP, then there’s little hope for 2012.
AnninCA on May 18, 2009 at 11:10 AM
not a victory, but a great opening salvo….
continue to fight the good fight for Him.
VTWaldrup on May 18, 2009 at 11:10 AM
I don’t like heckling & disrupting an ongoing ceremony, but how is this hatred. Unless it is simply hatred of abortion. Does anyone know what the Catholic Church’s position on abortion is?
PS, how soon until the Left portrays this as worse than throwing a shoe at a president of the US?
rbj on May 18, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Mistaking “unborn” for “undead”, perhaps?
Count to 10 on May 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Please bring back the Inquisition. I’m not asking for tortures or anything, but it would be a nice start for the RCC to have a division that specializes in purging scum from its ranks.
Darth Executor on May 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Wait I thought that was Kewl…
Upstater85 on May 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM
That is exactly what the Seducees & Pharisees said about Christ…
singlemalt_18 on May 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Good. All the better reason to split off and start the Conservative Party. Done with sellout RINOs.
ErinF on May 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM
REligious vigilante, eh? Personally, I was won over by the science presented me.
vapig on May 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM
There it is! My favorite Liberal catch phrase. Anytime I see that I know I’m dealing with pod people.
trubble on May 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM
He’s just a libtard hack who thinks that if you don’t want the government spending your money you don’t want to help anybody at all.
Darth Executor on May 18, 2009 at 11:13 AM
this is fer real, not the Catholic Church I knew, know
in a country where the Fr Pflegler in Chicago can rant and rave and be racist and misogynistic and just hateful from the pulpit I guess I shouldnt ve surprised
I contacted the Vatican about Pflegler and apparently they do very little…he apologized and was suspended for a tiny time be whoop
I will not be sending my children to these faux Catholic institutions
These words are shameful and racist, why do they constantly bring up his color while bashing anyone who does not conform to Teh adoration of the One..
i am just sick of it..way to turn off the faithful there leaders…
I am not going to apologize to any of these PC kloons for my position on taxes, faith, or anything else no matter how much pressure is brought to bear
ginaswo on May 18, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Right. He’s black, so that makes him SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO KEWWWWWWWWWWWWWL!!! Doesn’t matter that he’s all for killing babies and shoving them in a closet to die if they survive.
crazy_legs on May 18, 2009 at 11:14 AM
yeah social justice, for a Pope who fought that central American guerilla modification of Catholicism for marxist religious social control, he is doing very little to stop its spread in the US..I mean really…..
ginaswo on May 18, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Would they call Jesus a vigilante?
publiuspen on May 18, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Allah, I think this thread is going to get you a lot closer to 1,000 comments than the “priest gets tazed” thread.
UltimateBob on May 18, 2009 at 11:15 AM
It’s always about The Precedent and his precedence. How pathetic can these worms get?
Question: Who gives a flying f**k about him being black?
Answer: All of his supporters, because there is nothing else to him (other than his Marxism and hate of America). That’s why he is THE PRECEDENT!
These people are so transparent it makes me laugh. I never knew that the disintegration of Western civilization would be quite this comically stupid.
progressoverpeace on May 18, 2009 at 11:15 AM
The issue, Allah, is that the people who are criticising the protesters are actually small-tent Catholics/conservatives: so long as you agree with their liberal ways, you’re in the club.
I’m not a liberal, but if I were representing an institution like, oh, UC Berkeley, I wouldn’t complain about Birkenstock-wearing hippie protesters. That’s just what those people do.
Roxeanne de Luca on May 18, 2009 at 11:16 AM
You really should be sorry.
progressoverpeace on May 18, 2009 at 11:16 AM
“The real scandal is the spectacle of ostensibly Catholic mobs camping out at Notre Dame for the specific purpose of disrupting the commencement address of the nation’s first African American president.”
WTF? Do these race-pimps EVER give it a rest?
Bishop on May 18, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Want to know why there are “Tea Parties,” people are buying guns and feeling like America has gone down the tubes? Why is the Catholic Church losing members and money? It doesn’t stand up for its own principals or teachings. The Republican Party doesn’t walk the walk on the fiscal or social issues that it once stood for.
“If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.”
Star20 on May 18, 2009 at 11:18 AM
McGuire is a hypocritical coward that would likely endorse fascist jack boot tactics to quell free political speech. Hedonistic liberals like her live in a perpetual gray area and have no real substance or core value system. Through its weak administrators the Roman Catholic Church and its educational arm are becoming a large pool of philosophical mush where principled behavior and biblical law are rationalized to the point of their total destruction.
rplat on May 18, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Speaking of vigilante justice, I like how the local judge issued an emergency rule that prevented a person twice arrested on misdemeanor charges from posting bond. He then claimed it had nothing to do with the protesters at Notre Dame; who does he think he is with that double-speak, Obama?
http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090516/News01/905160303/1052/News01
All of the hate-filled protesters should be released by noon today with the First Amendment fully intact /sarc.
darclon on May 18, 2009 at 11:19 AM
What a condescending statement. This is Jeanine Garofalo wrapped up in a “legit” form. If you criticize the One, you are racist. End. Of. Story.
thebrokenrattle on May 18, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Its just that this guy seems to have no problem making contradictory statements in the same sentence. Heck, he doesn’t even seem to notice.
Count to 10 on May 18, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Ah the religious left….lifting up the left over their religion. Putting down their own leaders (bishops) in support of Der Leader.
Christian Conservative on May 18, 2009 at 11:19 AM
“The Catholic community and Catholic institutions should not honor those who act in defiance of our fundamental moral principles. They should not be given awards, honors or platforms which would suggest support for their actions.”
http://www.replacejenkins.com/references.html
izoneguy on May 18, 2009 at 11:20 AM
It’s all they have.
Yakko77 on May 18, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Returning to the Gallup Poll, for all these Catholic apologists for Obama, consider the following:
First, 22% polled favored abortion under all circumstances.
Second, 23% polled favored abortion under no circumstances.
Stopping there, if the first position prevails, a child dies; if the second position prevails, a child lives. Which of the two positions is more extreme?
Third, the poll suggests that 55% of the country favors some restrictions. Until recently, those restrictions included no funding for overseas abortions, conscience exceptions for health-care workers, restrictions on partial-birth abortions, prohibition on “rectifying” botched abortions, and parental consent (or notification) laws. Which of these restrictions is extreme? Yet Obama opposes them all and, indeed, stands with the 22% who desire abortion under all circumstances.
All his meely-mouthing aside, Obama, not pro-lifers, is unquestionably on the extreme end of the American spectrum on this issue.
BuckeyeSam on May 18, 2009 at 11:20 AM
What’s truly catastrophic is that their football team has sucked and will continue to suck.
lm10001 on May 18, 2009 at 11:21 AM
“social justice”
make me gag everytime I read it. That and anything “for the children”. I’m Catholic and used to work in child care so both were/are ubiquitous
thebrokenrattle on May 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM
BWWWAAAAAHHHAAAAHHHAAA! OMG, LMAO, wiping tears from my eyes.
Did you actually listen to any of Obamugabe’s speech? Complete gibberish. I cannot believe he actually paid someone to write that tripe. Since you didn’t hear it, I’ll fill you in briefly. It went something like this:
“You are a lighthouse. No wait, you are a crossroads. Or something. I don’t know what I’m saying.”
Such condescending, meaningless drivel is not what I consider a show of class. Go back you your imaginary starfleet academy and get a clue.
UltimateBob on May 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM
That’s swell. Have you registered at HuffPo and DailyKos?
BuckeyeSam on May 18, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Well, she’s right. I don’t recall these Catholics protesting George W. Bush’s commencement speech at Notre Dame over Texas’ liberal use of the death penalty.
The pope had pleaded directly with then-Gov. Bush to commute a prisoner’s death sentence in 2000.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/jan/24/uselections2000.usa2
These are people using religion for political purposes. Catholic Universities and Catholicism in general put a premium on engaging opposing and different views, not shunning them. There are many issues in which Obama and Catholics agree. Instead of highlighting those, welcoming the president and engaging in a dialogue with him on issues they disagree on, some protesters acted in a very anti-Catholic way in using this invitation to condemn Obama.
Tom_Shipley on May 18, 2009 at 11:24 AM
McGuire attributes the protests to racism?!?
I’m just stunned that people can be so moronic. No one gives a shit about what color the president is EXCEPT liberals, and then they try and promote that as the sole reason for any contention that anyone has with his policies or ideology. What the hell is wrong with liberals? Are they really so brain dead?
Hey, I think Nancy Pelosi is a liar…must be because she’s black and I’m a racist…oh, wait…its because she’s a female and I’m a misogynist…/facepalm
Geministorm on May 18, 2009 at 11:24 AM
Allah, I wonder if in your “past life” you went to Catholic Church?
youngO on May 18, 2009 at 11:24 AM
Yes, that’s perhaps an explanation, but is it the proper course of action? How does a glacial pace help those here and now? Who benefits?
Benedict supposedly has made his views on abortion and fetal stem cell research clear to Obama. Obama replies by telling him to put a sock in it.
Does glacial pace mean just wait out evil but survive at all costs?
What’s the use of a highly centralized church with a rigid chain of command if everyone can do as he/she pleases? You might as well formally adopt the jewish or muslim model where nobody’s really in charge and the religion varies from place to place and day to day.
I hope the Pope more forcefully joins the battle against Obama. Maybe the last Pope would have been a better challenger to the Obamites. He understood totalitarianism.
JiangxiDad on May 18, 2009 at 11:25 AM
That’s because she’s probably pro-choice.
Darth Executor on May 18, 2009 at 11:25 AM
izoneguy on May 18, 2009 at 11:20 AM
So, are you going to call for them to rescind Bush’s honorary degree?
Tom_Shipley on May 18, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Somebody needs an exorcism. Did McGuire’s head spin around? The college president’s comments were as rank as green puke.
RandyChandler on May 18, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Any time you hear a religious Leftist raise Vatican II, you must see it as the dying gasp of a folk-guitarist who sang Joni Mitchell songs at our Holy Mass.
These blokes bastardized the documents of Vatican II and made their precepts into parody. They have been marginalized and corrected by Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI. They are back in their proper place and this makes them seethe.
jeff_from_mpls on May 18, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Obama’s speech was propaganda to join with him in order to prove yourself rational about his agenda.
Obama didn’t even have the class to discuss ONE aspect of either ecumenical or Catholic Christianity that HE has in common with his AUDIENCE.
It’s always all about The One.
There can only be The One.
maverick muse on May 18, 2009 at 11:25 AM
The Sun Devils have better perspective on Obama than Notre Dame.
maverick muse on May 18, 2009 at 11:27 AM
I’m pretty sure he said once that he was raised Catholic.
The intellect stayed intact, the faith fell away. Not a bad outcome, really.
jeff_from_mpls on May 18, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Yep, he is the black messiah whose words alone (lets not consider his voting record) can transform Christians into mindless swooning zombies willing and able to eat their own in the name of healing.
dmann on May 18, 2009 at 11:27 AM
It seems to boil down to race, doesn’t it? He’s the first AA president, so any protest at all is blatant racism. Maybe she ought to give Garofolo an honorary degree next.
PattyJ on May 18, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Patricia McGuire… runs Trinity Washington University which was founded by the Sisters of Notre Dame de Namur… this is the same order of nuns that asked me and all of my fellow students (in grammar school, grades 1-8) to write letters of support for a “conscientious objector” to the war in Viet Nam named Darby O’Brien. Darby was a hippie and the scion of a wealthy family which owned a major construction company in western Massachusetts. Darby was “employed” at the school as a “music teacher.” His music instruction was focused on… (are you ready?) teaching kids to play the Kazoo.
So we all went home and started our assignment until some of the parents (my own included) found out about it. Some of my classmates had older siblings fighting in Viet Nam, so as you can imagine, the tenor of the ensuing meeting between all of the school’s parents and the Sisters of Notre Dame did not go well for the nuns.
There is a cancer in the Catholic Church in America, and I’m afraid that the epicenter of it resides in the religious orders of women in this country. The nuns that for decades dedicated themselves to the proper Catholic formation of Catholic youth have slowly become (and it started back when I was a kid) tree-hugging, labrynth meditating, anti-conservative leagues of “women religious.” No longer is there a Mother Superior or a Reverend Mother… there is a President and Vice President of the order, and they’re not named Sister Mary Magdalene or Sr. Peter Ann… they go by “Lorry Vilimere, SSJ” and “Dottie Shugrue, SND.”
They have spit on the traditions and memories of the brave and talented women who came before them and are a blight on the Church of Christ.
This nitwit McGuire appears to be a lay person running a Catholic university — I see she’s taken up the mantle of Elizabeth McCallister and the Berrigan brothers nicely. Bitch.
D2Boston on May 18, 2009 at 11:28 AM
It’s ironic that some here seem to think insults are just the thing to use when making a point about showing class. LOL!
starfleet_dude on May 18, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Yeah, then the focus quickly turned back to picking grubs out of each other’s fur.
Tom_Shipley on May 18, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Oh look! poop crapped!
daesleeper on May 18, 2009 at 11:28 AM
I was disappointed when Fat Charlie’s squad would get smoked like a joint on the gridirion the last few seasons.
No more.
I hope they get killed every game.
moc23 on May 18, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Yeah, and if I quoted a bunch of doctrines, decrees, etc. of that vaunted “2000 years” I’d get bashed for being a “Catholic basher”… alternately, I’d be informed how heinous it is to actually quote Popes from (gulp) 150 years ago! So “2000 years” works for one argument… “How dare you go back that far” works in the next. Very convenient.
When it comes to politics, economics and world diplomacy the RCC is on the wrong side of just about every issue… It’s not careful judgment, it’s a mix of cowardice and hatred. How much “careful judgment” did it take to offer the PLO an office in the Vatican (while refusing to recognize Israel)? How much “careful judgment” was needed to conclude that Hamas and the IDF are equally guilty of causing hostilities in Gaza? How much time was needed to concluded that the “Living Wage” and “Debt Forgiveness” would be international ecconomic successes (etc., etc., etc…)?
mankai on May 18, 2009 at 11:29 AM
It’s a troll tsunami, this morning. The checks must be going out soon.
progressoverpeace on May 18, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Anyway, if anything Obama shored up more of the Catholic vote yesterday by being upfront about how abortion divides us.
starfleet_dude on May 18, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Pope Benedict IS doing a lot of house-cleaning, but the problem of liberal political teaching in “Catholic” universities has been festering for DECADES, since the aftermath of the Second Vatican Council. Pope Paul VI didn’t do anything about it, and John Paul II, for all his other virtues and accomplishments, didn’t address this problem until very late in his Papacy (when the sex scandals erupted), when professors believed they could ignore him due to his poor health.
Pope Benedict IS cleaning house, but he has a lot on his plate, and this will take time after decades of neglect. Interestingly enough, younger priests and Catholic professors are more conservative than their elders, so that the Church will probably become more conservative as these younger priests work their way up the hierarchy.
Did McGuire ever check historical records of priestly ordinations, which peaked in the late 1950’s and dropped precipitously after “Vatican II days”? Where is this half-century of “progress”? Toward his derriere, maybe?
No, the real scandal is the misappropriation of a university dedicated to sacred teachings by a president to make a political speech. The protestors had nothing against the President’s race, but they protested his callous disregard for human life. The protestors now represent 51% of the American people who are pro-life, according to Gallup.
Steve Z on May 18, 2009 at 11:30 AM
RE: geministorm
You are spot on. I contend that only people who are racist themselves see everyone else’s motives as racist in nature. The far left is all about “identity politics” and it has rotted their ability to think critically anymore.
Logic on May 18, 2009 at 11:30 AM
I always knew that Notre Dame wasn’t much of a Catholic University, but I’m still surprised they’d be this up front about it.
One good thing about the Left feeling their oats…they tend to be more honest about their beliefs. Now it’s up to everyone else to open their ears and listen.
Asher on May 18, 2009 at 11:30 AM
At the end of the day it all comes down to “the first African American president.” His color trumps everything: his abominable socialism; his disgusting support for unfettered abortion; his hatred of all things American; his economic incompetence. But he is black and that’s what’s important.
johnsteele on May 18, 2009 at 11:31 AM
That’s funny, seems like the GOP tried going with the most leftist/moderate Republican in the Senate and that DID NOT work. Then, we think back to Ronald Reagan and how he won 49 states, won by a huge electoral vote margin (98%) and won two landslides while people/press decried about him being to far right, not being moderate enough, etc. etc. etc. Oh, but let’s just all ignore history and continue to do what we know won’t win…
Get this through your heads moderates, you can’t play from the center. The Democrats have shown you that they can put forth the most liberal candidate and win, but you just keep ignoring the facts and acting like “compassionate conservativism” is the key…The only way to win is to play from the right. Moderates can’t win, so they need to come to the realization that they will have to join a right winger’s team or switch teams.
Principles don’t understand polls.
Geministorm on May 18, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Which intrinsic evil is Bush a fanatical supporter of again?
CDeb on May 18, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Yep, so did mankai if you can’t tell.
darclon on May 18, 2009 at 11:32 AM
I think you are conflating issues. Catholic doctrine is adamantly opposed to abortion; Obama has been at the extreme end of abortion policy since his days in the Illinois legislature. His platitudes about ‘agreeing to reduce abortions’ while he has supported late-term ‘partial birth’ abortions and refused to allow those infants who unexpectedly survive an abortion die without medical treatment are hypocritical and insulting to people of conscience on this issue. He has NEVER sought any sort of ‘middle ground’ or ‘compromise’ on abortion. Looks to his deeds, not his ever mellifluous words.
The very idea that people of deep, sincere religious and/or moral conviction should remain silent when a Catholic university, in opposition to Catholic policy, elects to honor someone with his record on this subject is absurd. For them, this is not a political issue, but a moral and religious one.
ProfessorMiao on May 18, 2009 at 11:33 AM
and, he’s too black to fail (stolen from another HA commenter.)
JiangxiDad on May 18, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Oh you craaazaaay bible thumpaz!
.src
blatantblue on May 18, 2009 at 11:33 AM
liberalism.
daesleeper on May 18, 2009 at 11:33 AM
No sale. The analogy doesn’t work, because abortion and the death penalty are not morally equivalent wrongs–as viewed by Catholicism and, I’d argue, by society. In abortion, a child is a defenseless innocent. In death-penalty situations, a wrongdoer has been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt–the highest standard of proof we have in our judicial system.
I’ll add that there’s also an issue of sheer magnitude: compare the number of deaths by abortion to the number of deaths by the death penalty. There is no comparison.
BuckeyeSam on May 18, 2009 at 11:34 AM
And yet so many Catholics (especially those dumb NY Irish Catholics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was raised in that community) voted for Obarfy!
I don’t get it!!!!
blatantblue on May 18, 2009 at 11:34 AM
I wouldn’t call it an intrinsic evil, but he supports the death penalty and presided over the state that used it the most. The Pope even sent him a letter asking him to commute the sentence of a teenager set to be killed. He didn’t.
Point being, if one believes this:
Then they should also be fore rescinding Bush’s degree.
Tom_Shipley on May 18, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Sour grapes make for a lousy communion whine.
starfleet_dude on May 18, 2009 at 11:35 AM
They were perhaps swayed by his Obama Pro-Life website.
myrenovations on May 18, 2009 at 11:35 AM
It’s a good part of the reason he was elected, so it’s hardly surprising that many consider him to continue to be above criticism for that reason alone.
ProfessorMiao on May 18, 2009 at 11:36 AM
So now it’s “anti-Catholic” to protest?
Good to see that you climbed out from under your rock this week after being absent last week when your Queen Pelosi had a major meltdown and lie-fest for the whole world to see, or your dear leader doing the flip flops on releasing those torture pictures.
How was that working out for ya?
Knucklehead on May 18, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Just in time for the Memorial Day weekend! Hey, Obama’s gotta get someone to spend some money in this economy, the faux stimulus money surely ain’t getting spent.
BuckeyeSam on May 18, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Comment pages: 1 2 3 Next »