Palin hits Notre Dame for recognizing Obama
posted at 12:08 pm on May 17, 2009 by Allahpundit
Via Gateway Pundit, the ‘Cuda braves the polls showing most Catholics approve of the invitation — to a greater extent than the public at large, in fact — and swings away:
Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, a strong pro-life advocate, weighed in on the issue with me by e-mail:
“My favorite grandpa, Clem James Sheeran, was Catholic. Irish to the core, his favorite place (other than church) was Notre Dame. I can’t imagine what he would think as the university recognizes someone who contradicts the core values of the Catholic faith by promoting an anti-life agenda. As we learned today, our nation is more pro-life than ever before; it is a very important time to strengthen the message that every baby is created for good purpose and has the potential to make this world a better place.”
While Palin understands this battle is about a fundamental value, Obama supporters trivialize it by suggesting it is about opening a dialogue with people of opposing views. Despite their belittling, this outrage is well deserved. By bestowing the degree on President Pro-Choice, a message is conveyed that he is a role model, someone deserving of recognition in the eyes of the university. Jenkins even said he is an inspiring leader.
Steele also gave thumbs down to the honorary degree this morning on Meet the Press. I’m tickled at what a mess this has turned into for The One: He doesn’t want his position on abortion coming under a media microscope and eroding his advantage among Catholics, but of course he couldn’t turn down the invite lest it look like he was snubbing the Church. The best outcome for him probably would have been Notre Dame pulling the plug weeks ago before the protests picked up steam and the press started paying attention. On the other hand, given the heat he’s taking from the left on counterterror policy, among other issues, reminding progressives he’s a fellow traveler by pissing off pro-lifers isn’t the worst thing he could be doing right now. And considering how high his approval rating is among Catholics, the backlash to this would have to blow up quite a bit further before it does him any real damage.
The speech is set for this afternoon; he will indeed touch on abortion, doubtless in the context of “dialogue” and “understanding,” so we’re bound to have some sort of video tonight. From what I can tell, the only prominent Catholic who doesn’t have an opinion on this one way or the other is, er, the Pope, displaying the sort of squishiness he’s known for when it comes to balancing Church dogma with good relations with liberal Catholic politicians and their constituents. Way to take a stand. I’m going to poll you guys on this, not because there’s much doubt where you’ll come out but because it’s useful to remember there are two distinct issues here: One is simply inviting Obama to speak, the other is awarding him an honorary degree. According to the conference of U.S. bishops, those who defy the Church’s fundamental moral beliefs “should not be given awards, honors or platforms which would suggest support for their actions.” Where does this shake out?
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You probably are against the death penalty too. People like you want to save people like Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy, but think it’s perfectly fine to kill an unborn child.
Personally, I can’t wrap my brain around that kind of logic.
Kowboy on May 17, 2009 at 3:17 PM
I can’t even highlight. You think I have figured out all this lingo about concern trolls?
:)
Come on.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Once again, she didn’t issue the statement; a journalist, Holly Robichaud, emailed her for her opinion for the article she was writing and Palin emailed Holly her answer. That’s a far cry from issuing a statement to the press.
yogi41 on May 17, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Palin seems to be the only person out there that speaks consistently from principle instead of politics. You may not always agree but you have to admire her. The only time she gets MSM coverage is when they think they can damage her. She has reasonable positions on all major issues (not just the “hot” ones and will make a fine replacement for Obama in 2012.
duff65 on May 17, 2009 at 3:18 PM
Nobody here hates you. I just can’t understand the coldness in some of your statements on abortion.
And, you’re never past the age to show concern for that many babies being butchered every year in your country.
Just go back and look at what you wrote. Do it.
And just TRY even a little bit to understand WHY this might be an important issue. So many others hinge on it.
Sapwolf on May 17, 2009 at 3:19 PM
I used to be anti-death penalty, for sure, Kowtow. I am still MOSTLY anti-death penalty, but there’s some real atrocities that made me rethink that one.
Mostly, I’m not a law-and-order type, for sure. Prosecutors who abuse their position really disgust me.
The DNA revolution, which has proven that many on death row were NOT guilty, should give any person with a conscience great pause.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 3:19 PM
Good point.
Sapwolf on May 17, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Let me see if I understand what you’re doing:
1. You highlight text with the mouse
2. You release the left mouse button
3. Selected text remains highlighted
4. You hold down the ctrl key and then press c
5. You release ctrl and c keys
6. You move the cursor to the text input box
7. You press the right mouse button and hear beeping
Is this right?
DarkCurrent on May 17, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Sap, I do understand. It’s an emotional and spiritual issue. If I sound “cold,” I don’t mean to.
I also warn people to not be cold to the mother involved. They are live humans, too.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM
They are killers.
joe_doufu on May 17, 2009 at 3:22 PM
. You highlight text with the mouse
2. You release the left mouse button
3. Selected text remains highlighted
4. You hold down the ctrl key and then press c
5. You release ctrl and c keys
6. You move the cursor to the text input box
7. You press the right mouse button and hear beeping
Is this right?
OK, I can copy with beeps.
I followed every step. I didn’t get a “text input box.”
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Oh well, joe….have a nice life.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 3:24 PM
I’m watching C-SPAN and it’s only showing Bambi’s head and shoulders. Is anybody watching a broadcast that shows the audience? Are there protesters with backs turned?
joe_doufu on May 17, 2009 at 3:24 PM
BTW, Dark, do you work in this area? You guys are incredibly gifted with patience.
And you’ve not yet told me to open a window and jump out. :)
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 3:27 PM
I’m glad you figured out how to copy :) It is a very useful tool.
deidre on May 17, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Ok, you copied, good. By “text input box” I meant the box where you normally type what you want to post (where you copied my text).
Once you’ve copied it there, use the mouse to highlight it again. Then click the “quote” button. This will quote everything you copied. (You’ll see ‘blockquote’ and ‘/blockquote’ tags surrounding the selected text).
Type your response below that (after the ‘/blockquote’ tag)
DarkCurrent on May 17, 2009 at 3:31 PM
Interesting quote, Politicians that act like they know what they are talking about.
What comes to mind: Pelosi’s view on scripture, Obama’s on the woman’s right to choose, but no right to the unborn.
Above the pay grade.
Kini on May 17, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Of course the board that hired this lump won’t do anything unless the money starts to dry up. Hope it does soon.
As if the history of my church didn’t have enough dents and dings…oy!
SKYFOX on May 17, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Maybe this will help. It;s all so disgusting to me.
http://www.replacejenkins.com/references.html
NOTRE DAME ALUMNI CONFIRM $13.9 MILLION
IN WITHHELD DONATIONS
Financial Penalty of Obama Invite Continues to Mount
DEARBORN, MI – (May 13, 2009) – Organizers of ReplaceJenkins.com, the online effort that asks alumni and donors to the University of Notre Dame to withhold donations, announced Wednesday that they have tallied nearly $14 million in withheld donations from alumni and donors who feel disenfranchised by the trend of Notre Dame’s leadership to abandon its Catholic identity.
The website ReplaceJenkins.com has received over 1,400 pledges from alumni and donors promising to withhold future donations. After more than three weeks since the website was launched, the addition of new alumni and donors on the site continues daily.
ReplaceJenkins.com spokesperson David DiFranco (Class of ‘95) commented: “Most of the donors were at least loosely aware of the University’s trend away from its Catholic identity. But the invitation of President Obama to speak and to receive an honorary degree, combined with the weak responses presented by Father Jenkins as a defense to those who have criticized the decision, is what drives most alumni to our site.”
“Unwittingly, Father Jenkins has brought national attention to a problem that is decades in the making,” DiFranco explained. “A shrinking percentage of Catholic faculty and the efforts of secular-minded board members has long been eroding the Catholic heritage and foundation that makes Notre Dame great. President Obama’s invitation represents the culminating scandal in this trend.”
Alumni and financial supporters of the University of Notre Dame launched the online effort in an effort to withhold donations from Notre Dame, until Rev. John Jenkins, CSC is replaced. The coalition website – http://www.replacejenkins.com – urges supporters to withhold all contributions to the Notre Dame General Fund until President Jenkins is replaced with someone who is committed to the authentic identity of Notre Dame, grounded in the teachings of the Catholic Church.
“We have discovered, in no uncertain terms, that alumni did not need our suggestion to withhold contributions. In nearly all cases, those who have contacted us had already decided to cease donating. Our website merely tallies the sum of their collective decision” said DiFranco.
Elisa on May 17, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Why would anyone care about a Commencement speech, anyway? Good gravy, this is just the stuff that presidents do.
I’ve watched too many WWII shows lately. I’m amazed to realize how many times Churchill and Roosevelt showed up to pin medals on people.
It really is a figurehead position, folks. What sort of bothers me, after seeing Pelosi this week, is so is the Congress.
So who really is in charge?
I am concluding, it’s been nobody but the corporate world, in a sense, for a long time.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 3:33 PM
I don’t do technical support, but I was the international test manager at Microsoft for several versions of IE :)
DarkCurrent on May 17, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Did this work?
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Kowtow….. that’s good. I’ll write that down for future reference.
If you’ll note, my examples were of 2 who were guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. I do not deny that there have been mistakes in the past, but with the technology available today, such as DNA, mistakes are even less likely. Not saying they won’t be made, but they will be rare.
And speaking of DNA, why hasn’t someone run a sample on an aborted fetus, say at 6 weeks. Will it perfectly match the mother’s DNA? The father’s? Or will it be a unique strand of DNA which would prove to anyone with a rational mind that it was in fact a unique life?
Kowboy on May 17, 2009 at 3:38 PM
OK, but I still couldn’t get the whole quote in.
I think I’ve figured how you make it look like a real quote, though.
Thanks. I think you guys that have patience to explain this stuff deserve a medal, btw.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 3:38 PM
While watching O’bamas speech today, did anyone else hear the baby crying during Obamas abortion portion of his speech?
It was VERY telling.
portlandon on May 17, 2009 at 3:39 PM
You’re rich, then.
Girls, go after this one. :)
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 3:39 PM
YES!!!
DarkCurrent on May 17, 2009 at 3:39 PM
I am bookmarking this page so I can refer anyone having difficulty posting who uses Windows. That was very well done. Congratulations.
And that goes for you, too, AnninCA.
Loxodonta on May 17, 2009 at 3:44 PM
YES!!!
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM
The unborn child will have both the mother and the father’s DNA. Mendel – Independent Assortment.
AnninCA, you have been posting in this thread every 5 minutes for the past several hours and you are still milling around the issue. Is it guilt or listlessness that motivates you?
daesleeper on May 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM
I am bookmarking this page so I can refer anyone having difficulty posting who uses Windows. That was very well done. Congratulations.
And that goes for you, too, AnninCA.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 3:48 PM
I am bookmarking this page so I can refer anyone having difficulty posting who uses Windows. That was very well done. Congratulations.
And that goes for you, too, AnninCA.
Ok, that worked better without control C. I went backwards in highlighting.
Dont give up. :)
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Loxodonta on May 17, 2009 at 3:50 PM
AnninCA, you have been posting in this thread every 5 minutes for the past several hours and you are still milling around the issue. Is it guilt or listlessness that motivates you?
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Loxodonta on May 17, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Oops, now I’m quoting myself rather than the quote.
Progress not perfection!
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 3:52 PM
I am bookmarking this page so I can refer anyone having difficulty posting who uses Windows. That was very well done. Congratulations.And that goes for you, too, AnninCA.
Ok, that worked better without control C. I went backwards in highlighting.
Dont give up. :)
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Loxodonta on May 17, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Keyboard shortcuts can be a pain. Really it should work easily with just the mouse. I’t almost 4:00 am for me though. We’ll troubleshoot that next time :)
DarkCurrent on May 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Will the Man-Childness of this man ever end:
And will the stupidity of the American people ever not cease to amaze?
Mine too SARAH!!!
Branch Rickey on May 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Oops, now I’m quoting myself rather than the quote.
Progress not perfection!
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 3:52 PM
We are freedom lovers here. There are alternative approaches.
Loxodonta on May 17, 2009 at 3:55 PM
You are a doll, Dark Current. Sleep well.
I’m still a disaster, but on the right track here.
And it’s fun.
THANK YOU!
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 3:56 PM
So, if you don’t mind me asking, why did you decide to vote against Obama?
Loxodonta on May 17, 2009 at 3:58 PM
TOTUS was clearing screwing with Teh Won!
Ogabe you are a disrespectful man no more cares about other people’s views on abortion then you are tactful to Special Olympians.
There is no common ground when you want to take away conscious clauses.
Branch Rickey on May 17, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Thanks.
I’m reminded of Archbishop Chaput. Recently, he said, we had failed to teach the flock. I frequently have the idea that some of the folks I follow on HotAir are more catholic than some of the folks at Mass with me.
Never Again!
Blacksmith8 on May 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Personal experience says most Catholics take the Vatican’s stance on abortion about as seriously as they take the Vatican’s stance on contraception and premarital sex – meaning not very seriously at all.
It’s the evangelicals and born-agains who’ll co-opt any religious issue they can and frame it to their own agenda. These people are only pro-life if the life in question looks kind of like they do. It’s all about preserving the tribe. If some unemployed welfare mom who doesn’t look like them wants to abort her soon-to-be multiple births, well, go ahead if you must, we’ll pray for you, but see how flexible and moderate we are…
sanguine4 on May 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Anyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist, so welcome to the club.
Since taking office, what is your take on Obama’s foreign policy? What impact do you think it will have on the world?
Loxodonta on May 17, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Sarah speaks from her heart. Obama is afraid to speak his heart since he will offend every freedom-loving American when he does. So he uses the TOTUS to make sure he sounds like a genius, says little or nothing, and couches any Marxist terms in ways people don’t understand. (And when he says anything that causes question, he can always fall back on the statute of limitations on the comment tomorrow.) I thank God that someone in the Republican party is not afraid to stand for the party platform and for what they believe. Now if someone besides Sarah and Prejean would do this, we might be getting somewhere. “Wimps to the right of me” indeed. You go, girl!
Christian Conservative on May 17, 2009 at 4:16 PM
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 4:16 PM
I had some friends back in 1980 who aborted their first child.
That child would have been 29 this year.
The couple did get married – they had two children.
The father – my best friend since high school, confided in my
in 1992 that having the abortion was his biggest regret in life.
He loved his two children very dearly. I did not get married until
1995 and have 2 sons today. Right after my first sons first birthday in
1997 I went to the funeral of my best friend.
He committed suicide – he was depressed and perhaps more
help would have prevented it but everytime I saw him after 1992 he
always mentioned the abortion.
izoneguy on May 17, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Heh, then I am the biggest racist evah!!!
I am putting my head down and will stuggle through the Obama’s
years the best I can. I will thank God when Obama is gone so
we can get back to work and stop blaming each other.
izoneguy on May 17, 2009 at 4:23 PM
*Arrrghhh*
Dark will be back to tell me what I’m still doing wrong. I now trust him/her. :)
Lox, not much to answer your question.
Obama is headed into a no-win war in Afghanastan. He was determined in the primary, he’s still determined, and it’s still a disaster.
No change.
He has no clout in Israel, due to his position. They will simply box him out. They’ll dance the dance and get nowhere. Do not expect any real progress there.
He’s a joke in Europe, but that’s because they need him to push a policy that supports the global markets. He will comply. Frankly, we have no choice on that one. We’re not going to bail on the global banks until we’re out of real danger in the US. They know that. They’ll continue to smile and applaude us for addressing our “race” issue. Meanwhile, they won’t help him one iota. Why would they? They’ve been overshadowed by our economy for a long time. Payback sucks!
And finally, nothing will change in the least with Al Quida. They have a religious war going.
So, no big changes, other than we’re surviving a real economic crash.
That WILL change people’s decisions.
I recommend voting FOR health care reform.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 4:23 PM
He committed suicide – he was depressed and perhaps more
help would have prevented it but everytime I saw him after 1992 he
always mentioned the abortion.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 4:25 PM
She’s my girl …. Palin 2012
ex-Democrat on May 17, 2009 at 4:25 PM
“Pope Benedict” and “Squish” do not belong in the same sentence, IMO. Just because he doesn’t swat at gnats doesn’t mean he is unaffected by the life issue.
cs89 on May 17, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Obama’s speech is over. It was, as predicted, very sympathetic to the issue of abortion.
Probably a home run, emotionally speaking.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Multiple referrences to “Caribou Barbie” –
I thought this was a ban-worthy thing, no?
massrighty on May 17, 2009 at 4:47 PM
I am sure your friend’s death continues to be difficult for you and for his family. My continued condolences to you.
Depression and suicide rates are very high among post-abortion mothers. [see "Suicide Rates" section on page]
Branch Rickey on May 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Sap Annin had an abortion and spends so much time on the subject here at HA to justify it. It is quite simple.
Jamson64 on May 17, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Wow, blithering ignorance and quite a confession of your soul.
daesleeper on May 17, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Correction. Sarah Palin was baptised Catholic. Her parents switched to a fundamental evangelical denomination when she was very young.
bw222 on May 17, 2009 at 5:15 PM
I don’t think it’s generational. Ask any African-American who doesn’t like Barack Obama what names s/he has been called. Ask any female member of Feminists For Life…
sloopy on May 17, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Did you try Abort, Retry or Ignore? Silly me I am sure you tried Abort first.
Geochelone on May 17, 2009 at 5:19 PM
She single handedly destroyed many threads over on No Quarter a few months ago. And yes Abortion is her HOT issue in which AnninCa presents many disingenuous arguments.
Geochelone on May 17, 2009 at 5:23 PM
I knew I recognized her username somewhere. I’ll give her credit; she knows how to hijack a thread to make it all about her.
yogi41 on May 17, 2009 at 5:28 PM
WRONG!!
Presuming you mean that you’re past child-bearing age, you would do well to consider: if it’s acceptable for a woman to kill a defenseless baby, it should also be okay for her to kill her un-productive, crabby, loud-mouthed, pain-in-the-ass, resource-sucking, carbon-footprint-generating, mother-in-law. Our society has already approved the murder of “inconvenient life”: babies. Now we get to define exactly who ELSE inconveniences us. Elderly? So long, honey! Handicapped? Bye-bye, cripple! Mentally ill? Sayonara, retard! Again I will point you back to Hitler’s T-4 program, “Life not worth living”. Got spine? Google, “hadamar”. All VERY well-intentioned, all positive for society, all approved at every level of government, and all straight out the lowest pit of hell.
Like or not lady, if you’ve got a pulse, you’re in this fight.
oldleprechaun on May 17, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Saracuda strikes again…I love that woman!
hiphopconservative on May 17, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Oldleprechan-right on!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Martin_Niemoeller.jpg
Jamson64 on May 17, 2009 at 5:45 PM
The point of the left is to make you not even care about abortion. It is a simple outpatient service with no meaning at all.
tomas on May 17, 2009 at 5:46 PM
There is a real leason here for any politican. It’s safe to ignore the moronic “moral” pronouncements of the Catholic heirarchy. The typical Catholic in the pews doesn’t care what the heirarchy says and the nominal Catholic doesn’t even know what the heirarchy says. And it’s very good thing. Else many Western governments would be as evil as Iran.
thuja on May 17, 2009 at 5:56 PM
First abortion to reduce the population growth necessitating more immigrants to sustain the standard of living; next is for community organizers to foment agitation among the new arrivals where grievances that need redressing become uppermost in their minds, then the organization of these people into interest groups that all vie to overthrow the ‘white rich man’ and finally the embrace of socialism as the answer to all their problems and the election of a radical Marxist regime.
Right from the Alinsky playbook. Remember the elimination of the American way of life and the loss of the freedom for 300m Americans is born with ABORTION, nurtured in chaos, and harvested in vengeance.
technopeasant on May 17, 2009 at 6:03 PM
So, Sarah, are the positions we (as fellow ex-RCs) take on a number of “eternal” issues such as redemption, absolution, transubstantiation, baptism, ordination, etc.
The point… you can make your point about the Life issue without having to invoke a faith system you have rejected. I applaud the ND students, alumni, etc. who are standing strong on this issue… but I don’t care what the RCC says about this issue (or about any other… particularly on immigration, “social justice”, minimum wage, etc.).
Governor Palin, you might want to read what “core values” the RCC has for those of us who have willingly left the church (clue: “hence, he cannot be saved”).
Stick to the issue.
mankai on May 17, 2009 at 6:08 PM
FIFY.
CDeb on May 17, 2009 at 6:11 PM
The thing with obama goes beyond abortion. When he was a state senator, he voted ‘present’ instead of for a bill.
The bill was in responnse to the barbaric practice of taking babies that had survived a partial birth abortion and throwing them into a storeroom to die of dehyrdation, exposure and starvation. Jugears couldn’t literally lift a finger to press the button to vote for that bill.
If I were to kill a racoon, dog or cat the way that human babies were being killed, I would end up in jail.
As far as support among catholics.. there are a couple of things going on
1. A lot of people are just plain ignorant (in the true meaning of the word). I posted elsewhere at HA about sitting with an elected republican state rep who was saying what a good job obamamama was doing and how it was a good think that Palin didn’t get elected because of her ‘inexperience’.
2. I strongly suspect that the polls were skewed. I was canvassing for someone running for a state seat. I can’t tell you how many doors were literally slammed in my face because the candidate was moderate on abortion (ie don’t make it illegal but do restrict public funding and require parental consent).. They wanted a 120% pro life candidate. BTW – I don’ think they were all catholic. I suspect a lot of them were protestant.
3. Whatever idiot at ND invited the “I voted ‘present’ on a bill that would protect babies who survived abortions so they wouldn’t be thrown into a closet to die” senator should be immediately fired.
I wonder if barack HUSSEIN obama (he who is a bower to saudi princes, interviee to muslim media, freer of gitmo detainees, admirer of the call to prayer) will demand that Catholic symbols be covered up like they were at the other college. Anyone want to place any bets on the fact that there will be NO Catholic symbols in view during his teleprmoter reading???
bullseye on May 17, 2009 at 6:28 PM
I saw some of his speech in the form of soundbytes. It made me sicker than I expected it to. Such arrogance, or ignorance, to show his face there when he knows he is more pro-abortion than NARAL. After nominating Sebelius to Health and Human Services Secretary and Kennedy as Ambassador to the vatican he has proven that he is completely insensitive to the pro-life position, yet he has the audacity to go to Notre Dame and lecture a National audience about “finding common ground” and respecting the opinion of others? I wanted to throw my remote control at his face, but my 42″ Flat Screen is worth more than his opinion. He has NEVER sought common ground on this issue, not even when a nurse testified before the Illinois State Senate about how a fetus who survived a botched abortion was refused medical treatment as he suffocated to death. He was the only one who stood up on the floor and contradicted the nurses every word saying that saving that fetus would somehow threaten abortion rights. He doesn’t give a damn about open dialogue or common ground, he is a complete fraud and I would not be surprised if speaking at Notre Dame and nominating the outspoken pro-choice Kennedy as ambassador to the vatican is some sort of sadistic taunt for his own amusement.
I supported Obama on the Embryonic Research bill and I feel abortion should be a states rights issue not outlawed by the Supreme Court, I am someone who is willing to find common ground while Obama comes across as not just pro-choice but pro-abortion.
If there is one thing people can’t stand in this country, it is a weak willed sell out. Obama will most likely escape this firestorm unscathed but Notre Dame may not. They have proven that they are a bunch of opportunists who wanted the President to speak at the school in hoped of gaining more prestige and filling their coffers with more donations. They claim to be a Catholic institution and tell us how important the life is of the unborn, but then they give an honorary degree (as well as a platform) to the most radical abortionist in elected office? Who is Notre Dame to lecture anyone on moral issues when their most important one matters not when faced with opportunism. Notre Dame is a joke.
Daemonocracy on May 17, 2009 at 6:49 PM
The Catholic Church specifically labels Abortion as an “Intrinsic Evil.” Do you know what that means? It is not on the same ground as immigration or birth control, it is in a league of its own.
How the hell can Notre Dame or any Catholic Institution for that matter be taken seriously when they honor a man who has done everything in his power to promote this so called Intrinsic Evil? How do they have any legitimacy left?
Daemonocracy on May 17, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Of all the ignorant statements to be made . . . AP, why to you continue to be a hack when it comes to Catholicism?
Let me guess, “Terrific?”
geckomon on May 17, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Umm, where the hell is the Pope, the so called leader of the Catholic Church, on this issue? The silence is truly deafening. He doesn’t need to criticize Obama, just Notre Dame.
Daemonocracy on May 17, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Yeah. That’s what it looks like from over here too.
Blacksmith8 on May 17, 2009 at 7:10 PM
The pope has always stated, with absolute, the stance of the Church when it comes to abortion. What more is he to do? Call down the heavens to smite ND?
He is not silent nor apathetic to what is happening. You seem to know little of the Pope’s role in the church as well as you seem to not know the history of the Pope’s messages and writings on the sanctity of preserving life.
Watch you some EWTN and experience the non-silence.
geckomon on May 17, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Know little? The Pope has always been willing to condemn an institution when it does wrong. The Pope very publicly expressed his disapproval of the War in Iraq lead by the United States, so this Pope can and should speak out publicly against Notre Dame which is supposed to be a Catholic Institution.
We all know where the Pope stands on abortion, but nobody will listen when his own institutions essentialy thumb their noses at him. He has every reason to speak out, and he should be. If abortion is such an important issue as the Pope often claims it to be, this should be an outrage.
I shouldn’t have to “watch me” some EWTN when the Pope could be all over every media outlet by releasing a simple statement of disapproval over the actions of Notre Dame.
Daemonocracy on May 17, 2009 at 8:06 PM
That’s not my point… the RCC and its affiliates may say and do whatever they please. My issue is with Sarah Palin using the RCC to any degree.
Catholics are free to invoke their church’s “core values” on any issue (as can any organization or faith), but why would anyone outside that organization (especially one who is condemned by it for leaving) care?
The Life issue (as well as the Marriage issue) cannot rest on the “core values” of the RCC (John Adams just rolled over in his grave). Within the RCC they can make that argument and some within have rightly questioned ND in this (from their perspective)… but why anyone else would invoke the RCC is beyond me.
She apparently isn’t concerned about the scores of RC anathemas coming her way on other issues, so why invoke the RCC here? Stick to the life issue. Dragging in the RCC amounts to a cheap and convenient tactic on her part.
mankai on May 17, 2009 at 8:12 PM
When did the ayatollah convert? Has he started chanting “Death to Saudi Arabia” like all the other cardinals?
/sarc
cs89 on May 17, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Cheney/Palin 2012!
will sass u on May 17, 2009 at 10:04 PM
The problem with this is more insidious than most people seem to want to grasp; like a lot of things about Obama. While the words spoken have a ring of truth, when those words are compared to reality the ring is hollow. Much of the agenda of the radical left depends on having their words allowed into venues that by virtue of the gravity of the venues themselves, the words appear to be valid and viable. But some concepts are not able to exist in harmony. The deeply held belief that life begins at conception, and that abortion in all but the rarest of cases involves the killing of a child, is not able to exist in harmony with the concept that it is OK to do just that.
But mixing vile ideas with good ones; mixing evil with virtue, is a lot like mixing fine wine with vinegar. It never does anything to improve the wine, but always makes the vinegar easier to swallow. In this case the Catholic Church, like fine wine, has developed its position on this issue over eons, with much heart searching and careful observation of the many facets of the several questions involved. Obama’s position is a politically expedient effort to allow the evil of child murder to ride into acceptance in the places that have not already accepted it.
Does anyone reading this really think that when Obama went to ND and spoke about the need for “understanding” and dialog, that he for a single second considered that it might be his position that needed to be changed by that dialog? I don’t. I believe his goal was to dilute the resolve of the Church to stand firm on its beliefs, and in allowing him the opportunity, ND has done nothing to help the Church, and much to help those who oppose it.
MikeA on May 17, 2009 at 10:17 PM
I am Glad you brought this up. I spotted Annica also. I was not going to say anything yet except she is a loon. Once she starts it only goes down hill. Pretzel logic at its finesed
Clyde5445 on May 17, 2009 at 10:25 PM
finesed = finest
Clyde5445 on May 17, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Gov Palin never backs down from her beliefs. Ever! The more I hear from her, the more I respect her. I admire her easy-going, non-judgemental mannor while standing steadfast in her convictions.
Also, Palin put the Alaska State checkbook online so everyone can see what the state is spending. Oh, that Obama would be so transparent!
TN Mom on May 17, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Really? I think not. I wonder if it would have even been publicized if he had quietly declined.
This reasoning would suggest that he might tick off Hamas if he didn’t give a speech right before one of their rocket launches.
Upstater85 on May 17, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Another thread of the Sara love – she can criticize the president — she must be Reagan’s reincarnation!
Bradky on May 17, 2009 at 11:38 PM
Interesting statement. I have been assuming all along that there wasn’t any “invite”, but that the Obama political machinery took advantage of what might reasonably be assumed a standing invitation to the President, to address a more-liberal-than-average Catholic audience for political benefit, and putting Jenkins and Notre Dame in the tough spot.
If AP is right about this, Notre Dame is even more pathetic than I thought.
Jaibones on May 17, 2009 at 11:39 PM
MikeA. Your post seems to have hit the nail right on the head. I forget the exact concept from the old MBA days but I think it was ‘positional authority’ or something like that.
Perhaps there should have been a ‘fairness doctrine’ with a bishop or cardinal presenting an opposing view.
Also, the point about obama never considering the HE should change is one you hit right out of the park. Obamama has been deified by the press and, I think, is beginning to think that HE possesses infallibility on all things (not just church doctrine as the Pope). I don’t think he is honest enough, or even smart enough, to understand that the slobbering sycophants of the press are giving him a free ride.
bullseye on May 17, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Let me see if I got this right. DNA can save the life of a wrongly accused human who is already born but DNA cannot save the life of a human who is not yet born.
Is that what you said? Because that’s what I’m reading from you.
And it has a single meaning – your heart is dead cold. Under no circumstances would I EVER close my eyes or turn my back anywhere near you.
platypus on May 17, 2009 at 11:57 PM
Can you at least reference the pages of Alinsky’s handbook you are using as a model for your posting???
This is a typical non sequitor and follows with the Alinsky method of trying to trash opposition.
The Governor of Alaska, who ran for VP made a statement that was critical of the jug eared junior senator from gangland. It bothers you, doesn’t it, that many of us feel she has tons more credibility than Presidente Telepromoter I. “Uh, Ah, Um Oh, I’m reading your stuff.. Uh Uh” (Reference to his blundering stupidity when speaking… er reading his telepromter with the Irish primer minister)
Speaking of reincarnations, it is appearing that jugears is the combined reincarnation of: US Grant, Lenin, Marx, Jimmah Carter, Neville Chamberlain, Hoover, FDR (whose idiocy prolonged the depression) etc. What other world leaders do you know that promoted nationalization and socialism??? hmmmm???
BTW – I don’t believe Sarah Palin is the reincarnation of Reagan. Perhaps a combo of Reagan and Theodore Roosevelt.
Oh, and while we are on reincarnation, the leftist press, but I repeat myself, is stuck on super stupid with this constant drivel that scowlface michelle is the reincarnation of Jackie O.
bullseye on May 18, 2009 at 12:02 AM
Thanks for that mental image. I curse you with a thousand cups of kool-aid./sarc
Clyde5445 on May 18, 2009 at 12:37 AM
WWMSCCD: What Would Matanuska-Susitna Community College Do?
benny shakar on May 18, 2009 at 12:55 AM
Ooooooohhhhhh cute slap at gov Palin for not attending one of the elite sanctioned ivy league leftist colleges… Oooooohhh that is suuuuccch an intelligent comment. I am left virtually speechless by your wit…
While we are slapping colleges. Have you seen Michelle’s Thesis?? Where are those records from Barry O and HIS school daze?? Hmmmm It’s almost as if no one has heard of Barry Obman, Barry Soweto, Barack Obama, Barack Hussein Obama??? Where is his thesis??? where are HIS records???
OOhhhhhh but Sarah Palin doesn’t have credibility because sheeee didn’t go to an IIIIvvvy league schooooool.
Farking elitist crud…..
HOWEVER, I don’t think the graduate in question of Matanuska-Sustina Community college would
1. Vote to allow babies to die of starvation, exposure, dehydration
2. Spend our future generatations into the ground.
3. Bow to foreign kings
4. Have a complete bizzarro bumbling brickhead as VP. (Have you heard jumpin joe giving the location of the once secret bunker????)
5. Release Chinese muslim terrorists into our neighborhoods
etc. etc
Nope, I suppose her lack of that esteemed Ivy league beer swilling, coke snorting, pot smoking, sex with everything that moves four to eight years has rendered her too stupid to do things like obama and biden have done.
elitist snob
bullseye on May 18, 2009 at 1:05 AM
The DNA revolution, which has proven that fetuses are separate human beings, should give any person with a conscience great pause.
unclesmrgol on May 18, 2009 at 1:07 AM
Like we won on slavery, we are winning the abortion battle for the minds — which is actually slavery redeux, whereby a person’s right to life is determined by another person rather than being an innate right. It does help tremendously that science is on our side. DNA, sonograms, you name it. The kid is human — and the question is becoming whether it ought to be legal to kill him rather than a question of his humanity. When some ND Obamabot says the pictures of dead fetuses turn him off, we know the science (which in the end is merely a series of facts linking a hypothesis to a proven theory) is hitting home.
Since Obama is so willing to come part way, how about starting with a tax deduction for the fetus which can only be claimed by an affidavit of humanity from the mother. It lets the pro-abortion people put their money where their mouths are. And, as an interesting aside, it shows the relationship between abortion and slavery — a little piece of paper needed in order to be human, and the little human earning money for mommy. Cool.
unclesmrgol on May 18, 2009 at 1:20 AM
Another manifesto from the cult of sarah….
In one breath you bemoan the trashing of sara but in the next you attack the president and his wife based on their looks and not on policy..
truly you have drunk deep from the koolaid bowl…
Bradky on May 18, 2009 at 4:41 AM
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