Palin hits Notre Dame for recognizing Obama
posted at 12:08 pm on May 17, 2009 by Allahpundit
Via Gateway Pundit, the ‘Cuda braves the polls showing most Catholics approve of the invitation — to a greater extent than the public at large, in fact — and swings away:
Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, a strong pro-life advocate, weighed in on the issue with me by e-mail:
“My favorite grandpa, Clem James Sheeran, was Catholic. Irish to the core, his favorite place (other than church) was Notre Dame. I can’t imagine what he would think as the university recognizes someone who contradicts the core values of the Catholic faith by promoting an anti-life agenda. As we learned today, our nation is more pro-life than ever before; it is a very important time to strengthen the message that every baby is created for good purpose and has the potential to make this world a better place.”
While Palin understands this battle is about a fundamental value, Obama supporters trivialize it by suggesting it is about opening a dialogue with people of opposing views. Despite their belittling, this outrage is well deserved. By bestowing the degree on President Pro-Choice, a message is conveyed that he is a role model, someone deserving of recognition in the eyes of the university. Jenkins even said he is an inspiring leader.
Steele also gave thumbs down to the honorary degree this morning on Meet the Press. I’m tickled at what a mess this has turned into for The One: He doesn’t want his position on abortion coming under a media microscope and eroding his advantage among Catholics, but of course he couldn’t turn down the invite lest it look like he was snubbing the Church. The best outcome for him probably would have been Notre Dame pulling the plug weeks ago before the protests picked up steam and the press started paying attention. On the other hand, given the heat he’s taking from the left on counterterror policy, among other issues, reminding progressives he’s a fellow traveler by pissing off pro-lifers isn’t the worst thing he could be doing right now. And considering how high his approval rating is among Catholics, the backlash to this would have to blow up quite a bit further before it does him any real damage.
The speech is set for this afternoon; he will indeed touch on abortion, doubtless in the context of “dialogue” and “understanding,” so we’re bound to have some sort of video tonight. From what I can tell, the only prominent Catholic who doesn’t have an opinion on this one way or the other is, er, the Pope, displaying the sort of squishiness he’s known for when it comes to balancing Church dogma with good relations with liberal Catholic politicians and their constituents. Way to take a stand. I’m going to poll you guys on this, not because there’s much doubt where you’ll come out but because it’s useful to remember there are two distinct issues here: One is simply inviting Obama to speak, the other is awarding him an honorary degree. According to the conference of U.S. bishops, those who defy the Church’s fundamental moral beliefs “should not be given awards, honors or platforms which would suggest support for their actions.” Where does this shake out?
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Palin is the only GOP with the courage to knock this guy.
And for Catholics there is no “dialogue” or “understanding” on the issue of abortion.
Catholics vote democrat because of JFK, it has nothing to do with Obama himself.
joey24007 on May 17, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Tickled? A southern term from AP?
conservnut on May 17, 2009 at 12:14 PM
5% of Catholics know his stance on letting babies die after being born in botched abortions. In my mind there’s a “degree” and “humanity” factor that hasn’t entered this discussion.
marklmail on May 17, 2009 at 12:16 PM
The audicity of this woman! A politician who stands on convictions instead of polls… What has the world come to!?
/sarc
Norwegian on May 17, 2009 at 12:16 PM
LOL. A media microscope training on The Precedent? What a quaint notion. You’ll notice that the TRraitor-in-Chief’s pro-abortion zealotry is nowhere to be found in the media.
LOL, again. The idiot messiah worrying about snubbing anyone? He could have just turned down the invite and sent a box of DVDs to Notre Dame (I assume the idiot messiah would have picked porns to send them, keeping with his reputation for “smarts power”). He could have sent Shrillary over with a ‘reset’ button that mistakenly said “F#ck You”, in Latin, on it. Everyone would have laughed and loved it.
progressoverpeace on May 17, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Notre Dame just turned up their noses to the Vatican appeal to distance themselves from politicians who go against the teachings of the church. The adminsuistration placed their decisions above the Pope’s wishes. The Catholics are the next institution inder attack and Notre Dame is weakening the fortresses to those that would dilute their beliefs.
volsense on May 17, 2009 at 12:16 PM
LUV THE GUV!!!!
alexraye on May 17, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Good for Palin!
And based on the conduct of the GOP elites – they still don’t seem to get it. I think in spite of a grassroots DEMAND to stick to our core values – we’re still going to get a RINO for a candidate in 2012 just like we did in 2009.
So get set for the nuclear option. AN INDEPENDENT RUN BY SARAH PALIN. No doubt she’ll be able to finane it and there is no doubt in my mind that she’ll be more successful than George Wallace, John Anderson, and Ross Perot were. She may not win it – but it may be the only way to pull the GOP back to it’s Reagan side.
So get set folks.
HondaV65 on May 17, 2009 at 12:17 PM
As much as I like Sarah Palin, and as much as I dislike Obama and despise his views on abortion, I don’t think the Notre Dame thing is a good line of attack. There are so many other openings.
ddrintn on May 17, 2009 at 12:18 PM
This is one of those issues that the media have the power to specifically and deliberately mislead people who aren’t well-informed on their own. They paint the ‘protestors’ as kook fringe and focus on the speech rather than the honorary degree
Palin shows leadership here; leadership is what the Republican Party desperately needs now.
That’s a Good Thing, yes?
Janos Hunyadi on May 17, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Approval ratings. Approval ratings. Approval ratings. Approval ratings. Approval ratings. Approval ratings. Approval ratings, approval ratings, approval ratings.
Really stopped Cheney, didn’t they?
Jim Treacher on May 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Thank God for Sarah Palin. As Joey24007 said, Sarah is the only one to take D’Ohbama to task.
As a Catholic, I am annoyed that the Vatican said squat, and that this university would betray the very principles of the Church to act “cool” and get a anti-life idiot to speak.
We need Sarah in 2012.
jencab on May 17, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Palin’s the current front-runner until someone knocks her off the pedestal. Since all her alleged dirty laundry has been exposed, she may still be there in 2012.
Of course the MSM will always set out to destroy her since she’s a
Republicanconservative.perroviejo on May 17, 2009 at 12:23 PM
I’m sure after Obama gives his speech,to Notre Dame,
as per ususal Hopey,he’ll screw-up,piss-off more people,
and the MSM,will be in overdrive damage control!!
And,why is it,that Liberals think,they have to have an
open dialogue,at places there not welcome!
canopfor on May 17, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Once again, I ask, “Was it really impossible for the ND staff to pick someone better suited for the occasion?”
(“Jenkins even said he is an inspiring leader.” Feh! Godwin’s Law makes it hard to respond to that quote…)
apostic on May 17, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Thanks Sarah for using your 1st amendment right on how you feel. Keep fighting. I love this gals guts.
L
letget on May 17, 2009 at 12:24 PM
I think Governor Palin’s statement is quite accurate and respectful of Catholics. I also think Notre Dame’s decision to honor the president is disgraceful and a kick in the teeth to that “vocal minority of conservative Catholics,” like the Pope, who strongly oppose abortion. As a Catholic, I side with the Pope on this issue, and not with Notre Dame or other Obama fan worshipers.
Loxodonta on May 17, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Obama’s dialogue on this matter has been to “listen” then just do what he already promised the extremists on the pro-abortion side.
aikidoka on May 17, 2009 at 12:26 PM
True dat, but the percentage of people who are fooled (sometimes willingly) by the MSM is decreasing year-over-year.
perroviejo on May 17, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Exactly. Obama’s deathcult deserves to be recognized for what it is,not what it is not. They call Obama a great unifier but his truest legacy upon leaving the Oval Office will be that he leaves behind a United States that is even more divided on social issues than when he arrived at the Oval Office. Thanks for solidifying the base for the GOP, Obama.
canditaylor68 on May 17, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Have you read her address? She’s the one who stands on polls.
radiofreevillage on May 17, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Your tickled pink over this “controversey”? I’m tickled pink McSame and Caribou Barbie aren’t sitting in the Oval Office. Barbie lets Levi Johnson “sleep over” in the governors mansion,all as she preaches abstinence, and her 17 year old daughter gets pregnant. So she parades the couple around the campaign stops, preaching “family values” and how the two are engaged to be married. Then after Barbie loses, the 2 announce the wedding is off(no publicity value left)) and Levi can’t even take his baby to his house. But now, I need Barbie weighing in on whether Obama should speak at Notre Dame? Get real. How many faculty at Notre Dame support pro-choice? Should they be protested too? How many coeds are using birth control? Because the bishops say that is wrong too. The previous Pope was against the Iraq War. Should Bush have been banned from speaking at Notre Dame? How about the president at Notre Dame who invited Obama, should he be fired? All these bishops speaking out about Obama speaking, where were their voices when the altar boy abuses came out? If you goopers want to start a fire here, I say bring it on.You don’t control the country, Notre Dame, the media or the Catholic Church. Quit trying to force your views on people that don’t want them, thats how you ended up in the political wilderness in the first place.
athensboy on May 17, 2009 at 12:27 PM
With that though I would agree. “Dialogue” to these people means “listen to us rant and you’d better agree when we’re done.”
At least Sarah Palin (unlike the GOP “insiders”) has the stones to criticize Obama. She’s not afraid of him.
ddrintn on May 17, 2009 at 12:28 PM
I wish I were up there protesting.
AbaddonsReign on May 17, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Huh? Did you say something?
progressoverpeace on May 17, 2009 at 12:29 PM
At least SaraCuda see’s this Obamaination for what
it is!!
Team Obama wants to sh#t distrub,distract,and the time
honoured tradition of pitting one group against another!!
Liberals live it,and love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on May 17, 2009 at 12:30 PM
No, but we’re in the way of you moonbats. Hate it, don’tcha?
ddrintn on May 17, 2009 at 12:30 PM
What bridge are they trying to build is what I want to know.
tomas on May 17, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Just another small crack in the Obama popularity armor. When it starts to slide away, MSM pundits will wonder what happened….
Right_of_Attila on May 17, 2009 at 12:32 PM
You see that? The syphillis has gone third stage.
daesleeper on May 17, 2009 at 12:32 PM
I love that woman! Palin 2012!
joe_doufu on May 17, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Obama isn’t just a proponent of abortion, he’s staunchly for the monstrous practice of partial-birth abortion, and even for flat-out infanticide.
Palin is right, but we need to expose the full horror of Obama’s position on this issue, so that even the lickspittle MSM reports it.
Rebar on May 17, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Geez athensboy, so much written so little said.
Vince on May 17, 2009 at 12:33 PM
They could make him a Cardinal for all I care if it would get him out of the Oval Office.
repvoter on May 17, 2009 at 12:33 PM
BS. If that were true, she’d be joining in the chorus of hosannas to the faux Messiah.
ddrintn on May 17, 2009 at 12:33 PM
The MSM traitors will be too busy running from the pitchforks when people realize the coup that the MSM helped pull in the election, in order to destroy our nation.
progressoverpeace on May 17, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Where are all the university deans and professors at to protest all of the rape and molestations going on in the public school system by teachers? You whiny little sexist- stop calling Palin Caribou Barbie. You really set a fine example and I will refer to your post when teaching students about how liberal claim others are bigots,but in fact they are the worst bigots in the country.
Unless you are perfect you have no right to claim that you are any better than Palin or anyone else is as a parent. Do you even have children? Have you walked in her shoes? Do you even see that you are ranting against Palin teaching her children family values and showing support for her children no matter what mistakes they make publicly or privately? All we can do as a parent is teach our children. We DO NOT LIVE THEIR LIVES FOR THEM and that very fact makes everything you said in your post the most blatant bigotted hypocritical piece of garbage that I have read in a very long time.
canditaylor68 on May 17, 2009 at 12:38 PM
yeah, mon, but that awakening is Agonizingly Slow and the media will do its damage over the next week–then move on to its next Rightie Target
Janos Hunyadi on May 17, 2009 at 12:38 PM
hahaha….know what, O Creator of Worlds?
Palin will be the nominee in 2012.
McCain, Bennett, Newt, et al, can studiously ignore her but she’s running already.
The base is going to have to get another righteous kerbstomping at the polls before they can let go.
Quite simply, Palinism is going to kill the GOP.
The idea that will can be substituted for intellect and skill.
strangelet on May 17, 2009 at 12:39 PM
I believe the spokesperson for the Vatican/Pope, did issue a statement a few weeks ago condemning ND for inviting Obama and giving him an honorary degree. It is clear the Jenkins does not care that he initiated a firestorm w/the invitation. He decided not to pull it back to save his face and not anger the administration by doing so. He really didn’t think this thing through at all. I think Jenkins should resign.
JAM on May 17, 2009 at 12:40 PM
I wonder how the progressive Jews would feel if Yeshiva University chose Hitler to speak there just to open dialogue?
Just saying
Jayrae on May 17, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Yes. You never let a serious brouhaha go to waste.
TeleL on May 17, 2009 at 12:40 PM
“Athensboy”, here’s a Big Hint:
When people see your silly-fruity name at the bottom of the post, they don’t read what you ‘wrote’
Go to KOS; do not pass GO……..
Janos Hunyadi on May 17, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Paragraphs are your friend.
Actually, in your case they wouldn’t help at all.
As for one side “forcing their views” on the other side, you pro-choice people have been doing that for decades too, you know.
Del Dolemonte on May 17, 2009 at 12:41 PM
GO SARAH GO!!!!!!!!!!!!
rtsidedragon on May 17, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Troll Bait
**Face Palm**
Knucklehead on May 17, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Well, she’s not going to even try for moderates.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 12:43 PM
You just described the Democrats’ 2000 and 2004 Presidential “candidates” precisely.
Del Dolemonte on May 17, 2009 at 12:43 PM
You don’t understnd Palin if you can write that… This country was founded on Christian prncples. We’ve been very blessed because we followed them. We haven’t been lately…Life is one of the core values…47 million abortions… we can’t defend that… we’re on a downward spiral… Why shold God continue to bless us?
I love that the Gov is schooling every pol in America about what integrity and conviction are. I just absolutely admire her fighting spirit… She’s fearless…
CCRWM on May 17, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Moderates are the people who believed that Obama was going to give them a tax cut and cut deficits?
Don’t worry about the moderates … just design a fancy bumper sticker and they will vote for you.
joey24007 on May 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Oh you mean like Pelosi? Yeah, lots of partisan will and no intellect. Same w/Reid, Obama, Murtha, etc. The Democrats are up to their necks in brainless partisans, they seem to be doing ok. So it does work, in a limited sort of way.
JAM on May 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Good for her.
Obama’s views on abortion are sickening.
Notre Shame.
WisCon on May 17, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Meanwhile, Obamaism will kill all of us.
You have to understand that wishes don’t always equal reality. What intellect and skill? From Obama? Surely you’re joking.
ddrintn on May 17, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Yeah Allah, that squishy Pope. Lets see how about:
This
Sorry Allah, but this destroys that article as well.
Time magazine. On the ropes.
broker1 on May 17, 2009 at 12:46 PM
If the poll is correct then most people who claim to be Catholic clearly are not Catholic and are just lying when they say they are. Obama is not just pro abortion, he is pro abortion until the ninth month, even if the baby is still alive. From everything I understand about Catholicism this violates it in spades. For a lot of “Catholics”, Catholic seems to just be something akin to an ethnic group or inherited title, nothing more. I am a better Catholic than a lot of Catholics and I am an atheist.
MB4 on May 17, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Can some Catholic please explain Obama’s favorability among Catholics to me? I saw this response:
Is this true? I recall a week ago, someone attributed it to the treatment that Irish-Catholics got when they land on our shores in the early 1900s. Is that true? I just have a hard time seeing school-of-hard-knocks Catholics standing arm-in-arm with Perez Hilton.
And please don’t offer the notion of “social justice.” What does that mean? Don’t Catholics realize that Christ never saw government as the means by which problems are resolved? Why do Catholics support government doing what individual Christians should be doing? And, so far as that is concerned, it’s been documented that conservatives are far more generous with their time and money for charity. Do conservatives need a better PR campaign with Catholics?
And please don’t offer the current Lefty talking point that it’s interested in eliminating the causes of abortion. If poverty is absurdly offered as a cause, heck even the Bible tells us that we’ll always have the poor. So good luck solving that problem. All the while the Left offers this canard, it pours money into Planned Parenthood, which does little more than peddle the abortion option.
I’m not an activist. I also understand that Roe is the law of the land, and I realize that most Americans are more comfortable with abortion being available as an ultimate fallback–despite moral misgivings. So I’m not kidding myself that Roe will ever be overturned, but a pro-life stance should never be regarded as barbarically radical when compared to the pro-abortion agenda.
Most Americans don’t favor abortion-on-demand, late-term abortion, partial-birth abortion, funding for overseas abortion, funding for Planned Parenthood. Obama favors all those. In addition, most Americans favor state law health-care-worker conscience exceptions and state law parental notification (or consent) provisions. Obama opposes those.
How can Catholics back Obama?
Good for Palin.
BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM
No, the moderates are very important. They are the swing vote.
But an over-adamant pro-life stance will likely put her into a smaller attraction category.
I have no problem with that. Her choice.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM
Don’t hide behind the polls showing Catholics approve of the visit.
We don’t have a qualm with the President of the United States being invited to speak at the commencement ceremony.
We object to what was formerly a great Catholic University giving an honorary Doctorate to Mr. Obama. That’s more than the honor the holder of the office. That’s an endorsement of the man.
And if you read the proclamation, you’re heart would break at the anti-intellectual, sappy sentimentality of a document that could have been drafted by a 19 year old intern in the Barack Obama campaign headquarters.
That’s why we’re mad. But please, Allah, count me in as one of the Catholics who approves of the invitation to speak.
Details matter.
jeff_from_mpls on May 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM
I understand her well enough, and I admire the fact that she’s not afraid of Obama. I just think that harping on Notre Dame starts to look petty after a while.
ddrintn on May 17, 2009 at 12:48 PM
How about the REAL story behind GE/NBC/MSNBC destroying Palin and Electing Obama? Obama promised Immelt/GE billions and billions in Green Energy Tech contracts and Electronic Medical Records contracts IF NBC/MSNBC would get DEEEEEEP in the tank for Obama’s election. This is a huge fraud and should be investigated in great depth.
marklmail on May 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Let me rephrase that: it has the danger of looking petty.
ddrintn on May 17, 2009 at 12:50 PM
athensboy on May 17, 2009 at 12:27 PM
In my never ending quest for intelligent life in the liberal
world I was again disappointed…my search continues
norryrr on May 17, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Allah and his polls.
Since abortion is sinking in popularity, I would assume that a poll that points to Obama as a radical third-trimester abortion proponent, would not make his popularity among Catholics quite so high.
Polls are bullcrap – they are usually pushed and mean nothing. Pew is a good example of this when, up to only a couple of weeks ago, they claimed that most Americans approved of broad Federal laws to selectively ban handguns.
Even the politicians knew that was a fraudulent poll, but the leftists at Pew pushed that for years.
TexasJew on May 17, 2009 at 12:51 PM
This thread would be a lot more productive if it were about Obama’s birth certificate.
Hey, has anyone seen it?
jeff_from_mpls on May 17, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Good question. I have no idea. How can Jews continuously back Democrats? It defies logic and reason. Very sad.
JAM on May 17, 2009 at 12:51 PM
What really upsets me as a Catholic is that Cardinal Francis George of Chicago is fairly left in his stances. He allowed that illegal alien to take asylum, flaunt the law, and make political speeches from the church steps. Yet, even this lefty Cardinal openly opposed any pro-abortion politician getting any honors or speaking time as head of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. Yet, the Pope ignores this issue. The time of Popes ignoring the leftist threat around the world to gain political points is over. The Pope needs to stand up for the tenants of his Catholic faith. He’d have a lot more followers. And forget those stupid polls saying Catholics support Obama. We aren’t Jews. If you haven’t been to church in three decades calling yourself a Catholic is plain fraud. Catholicism isn’t a culture, it’s an active religion which requires active participation.
chicagojedi on May 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM
I don’t see what the brouhaha is about with Notre Dame, personally. Much ado about nothing.
I wouldn’t have chosen this event as an opportunity to dig at Obama over abortion, frankly.
I can’t see this will gain her much.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 12:54 PM
How can one be pro-life and not be over adamant about it?
It not like you can say “hey, I’m pro-life” but i don’t really have a problem with abortion … you are either pro-life or you are not.
“I’m against murder but I can understand why some people are not”
They just don’t go together
joey24007 on May 17, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Catholics vote Democrat because they live mostly in the cities.
It’s the same reason Jews vote Democrat.
The sad truth is, most people who vote in this country don’t know or care to know what the politicians stand for — they just vote for whoever the people around them are voting for.
joe_doufu on May 17, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Once again Palin proves she is not ready for prime time. Stay in Alaska mama grizzly.
Chekote on May 17, 2009 at 12:54 PM
To me this entire debate is not thought out.
Imagine in 1940′s Germany if the SS said they wanted to open up a dialog about killing Jews. They would respectfully listen to the pro-life side but then go on and kill the Jews. That’s what’s happening today only the “Jews” are our children and they’re being exterminated in a prenatal holocaust by their own mothers.
Mojave Mark on May 17, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Oh my God, I just made the connection.
The reason there is no Barack Obama birth certificate is because he was not born in the usual way.
He just appeared one day as a grown boy, wandering the lands of Indonesia.
He is more than human.
jeff_from_mpls on May 17, 2009 at 12:55 PM
I guess not, joey. I was hoping from the polls that we could move past the wedge issue and find some meeting ground.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Obama will come out smelling like a rose out of this useless controversy.
Chekote on May 17, 2009 at 12:55 PM
“I’m against people selling crack to children, but because I am a moderate, I can understand why selling crack is not such a bad thing.”
“I’m against drunk drivers but I also understand why people should be allowed to drink and drive.”
“As a moderate I am basically willing to sacrifice principles to attract a group of voters who make their decision on who has the better bumper sticker”
joey24007 on May 17, 2009 at 12:56 PM
Dude, how does this prove anything? She had a very respectful answer. A journalist asked her opinion, and she is free to give it. It was a very good answer, IMO, better than “above my pay grade.”
deidre on May 17, 2009 at 12:56 PM
If “conservatism” is going to continue to be defined by narrow social agenda, I’m pretty sure that the tent will shrink.
Just my 2 cents, of course.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 12:56 PM
Both parties are ruled by the elite. The intellectual elite, the elite in terms of skill and academic achievement. The difference is, the republican elite have had to pretend to be commoners. Palin actually is a commoner, not elite in any fashoin. She bases policy on religious belief for example. She is undistinguished in both genetic and memetic inheritance. She has demonstrated zero aptitude either for extemporaneous public speaking or national politics.
The reason the liberal will win, every time, is that their base accepts the need for leadership to have above average intelligence and skill– they recognize the need for elites.
So liberal elites don’t have to pretend they are one of the base……they just have to bribe them.
;)
;)
strangelet on May 17, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Maybe, but it all starts to pile up after a while.
ddrintn on May 17, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Some people see the death of the unborn child as a “wedge issue” where “middle ground” can be met.
Tell me … if you are pro-life, where do you see “middle ground?”
joey24007 on May 17, 2009 at 12:57 PM
I agree, Chekote. He already has.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 12:57 PM
That’s what’s happening today only the “Jews” are our children and they’re being exterminated in a prenatal holocaust by their own mothers.
The Holocaust was motivated by prejudism, racism. Are you saying that women are having abortions because they are racists, anti-semitites? More nonsense.
Chekote on May 17, 2009 at 12:57 PM
I don’t see what the brouhaha is about with Notre Dame,
I disagree. I think it is the perfect opportunity to bring it up. He brought it on himself. And since no one in the MSM will go near his radical pro-abortion stance, even after his disastrous, “it’s above my pay-grade” pathetic non-answer at Saddleback, this is as perfect an opportunity as any to put his views out there again. Front and center. He is a radical. She has stated it many times and I hope she continues to do so. Say it loud and clear, Sarah! It needs to be said!
JAM on May 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM
if you are pro-life, where do you see “middle ground?”
Very simple. Respect other people’s views on when personhood begins and work together to reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies.
Chekote on May 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Yes, I’m pro-choice, Joey. Always have been. I was rather hoping for a moderate view of this issue from her, but hey….it’s good to know that this is going to be her defining platform policy.
I’m not going to ante up for that one.
However, I’ll continue to defend her against the press treatment.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 12:59 PM
And how come it is always the pro-life people who have to “move to the center”
Their position is absolute … the “pro-choice” people should be the ones always moving to the center because their position is not based on any moral obligation.
If the pro-choice people move to the center, they will still have their goals accomplish … the abortion process continues.
If the pro-life people move to the center, they are finished from a moral standpoint
joey24007 on May 17, 2009 at 12:59 PM
…is that they really don’t have much of a regard for truth and logic. They appeal to the lowest common denominator. But: they don’t win every time. Once in power, they start to crack.
ddrintn on May 17, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Believe it or not, there is a segment of the Nortre Dame student body that is opposed to Obama’s unearned Doctorate on personal, moral grounds.
The fact that some of you can’t see beyond the political sphere does not mean that others share your handicap.
jeff_from_mpls on May 17, 2009 at 12:59 PM
As a Catholic, I don’t understand it. I wish I had the link handy, but believe I have read that Obama won the vote of all faith groups. Am I wrong? Maybe it’s just current approval ratings.
My best explanation of how people behave like this is that a very high percentage are driven by a strong need to belong to a group, obtain approval from people they consider significant, and be popular. So for example, teenagers behave one way at a family gathering at grandma’s, but behave in an entirely different manner among their peers at the local hangout. For some, they know they are being deceptive. But for others, they can somehow juggle these two ways of being in their minds as if they aren’t contradictory. Denial.
Loxodonta on May 17, 2009 at 1:00 PM
exactly–Critical Mass will come sooner than many people think. ( “Mass” is a double-dog pun )
Janos Hunyadi on May 17, 2009 at 1:00 PM
she makes one statement concerning abortion and Obama and it is now her entire platform?
joey24007 on May 17, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Moderates have an easy task to choose when the time comes for it. Obama is already up to pick his first choice for SCOTUS. He will probably pick at least 2 more justices before leaving office. That means that Roe v Wade will never be overturned,at least not in the next 30 yrs.
What can be done is limit Federal funding of abortion. I would think that a leaning moderate such as yourself is leaning right because of the spending that Obama and his administration have been doing.
Federal dollars for UNFPA and FOCA, along with all those planned parenthood and stimulus dollars going to China to study how their hookers become alcoholics are strong arrows pointing the moderates to the GOP.
The rest I leave to the moderates to become informed voters. Even if any pol. is pro-life or pro-choice, there really is little they can do that will have any effect on the laws,but they can limit taxpayers from having to foot the bill for others abortions. The states anti/limited/pro abortion laws though are a different matter.
canditaylor68 on May 17, 2009 at 1:00 PM
That’s why we call it a wedge issue, joey. If there’s no movement to the center, then there is no chance of compromise.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 1:01 PM
Who is Archbishop Burke? He is the Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, He’s like the Chief Justice of the Vatican Supreme Court.
Dude works in the Vatican.
Is probably going to be named a Cardinal before long.
Oh and:
broker1 on May 17, 2009 at 1:01 PM
They would be in favor of it. Progressive Jews voted for a guy who is almost sure to destroy Israel, in addition to all the other destruction that The Precedent is planning. I have made it very clear to my lefty friends/ex-friends what they have done and how utterly despicable they are.
progressoverpeace on May 17, 2009 at 1:01 PM
The Holocaust and the Gulag were motivated by a lack of value put on life.
ddrintn on May 17, 2009 at 1:01 PM
what is the difference between a baby and “minus one” before birth … keep going “minus one” and where does life begin?
do you have the moral authority to decide where life begins?
When did “Chekote” begin?
joey24007 on May 17, 2009 at 1:01 PM
FIFY
Norwegian on May 17, 2009 at 1:01 PM
Nihilism, to put it another way.
ddrintn on May 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM
why would somebody who is pro-life move to the center on the issue of abortion?
can they be only “pro-life” in certain situations?
joey24007 on May 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM
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