Obama at Notre Dame: Hey, let’s be open-minded about child murder

As expected, a heaping scoopful of pap about tolerance and dialogue aimed at defusing the issue ahead of 2012. Realistically, this was the only rhetorical move he could have made, but it’s rich to find him urging both sides to continue trying to persuade each other when he didn’t have the stones to use this as an opportunity to make the case for choice. I admit, this isn’t my issue — I’d accept legal abortion in the very, very early stages of pregnancy, before the embryo can feel pain — but I sympathize enough with true-believing pro-lifers to see how insulting the “agree to disagree” approach must be to the depth of their conviction.

And what about those that also believe that Roe vs Wade is actually un-Constitutional? This is more than JUST a moral issue. It also brings into question how our Supreme Court is going to interpret our Constitution – if at all. If Obama’s answer to everything is “let’s talk about it,” it would appear he has no value for the Constitution. There are certain things that we can talk about till we are blue in the face, but they may in fact still be un-Constitutional.

Upstater85 on May 17, 2009 at 10:57 PM

What are you talking about. I’m just telling you exactly what blantantblue posted.

At some thread I read here.

Somewhere, sometime.

But it might have been an alternate universe, I’m not sure.

Loxodonta on May 17, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Oh, sorry. Must have butted in at the wrong time. I’ll try to catch up.

Upstater85 on May 17, 2009 at 11:04 PM

I have a sad feeling that after Netanyahu seriously reams the One tomorrow, he’s going to be in a mood to take out his hurt ego by killing a few more babies.

joe_doufu on May 17, 2009 at 11:09 PM

*snicker* Who wants to see Bibi b*tch slap Bambi?

Upstater85 on May 17, 2009 at 11:10 PM

Ogabe’s meeting with Neta tomorrow? Uh oh…I smell a new Palestinian aid package in the works.

Bishop on May 17, 2009 at 11:11 PM

Yeah, that will be after Bibi tells him he’s only kind of open to 2-state solution.

From my understanding of things, Bibi is skating on thin ice because he’s in power pretty much only because of the far right. In order to keep that power, he’s going to have to make them happy.

Upstater85 on May 17, 2009 at 11:19 PM

For future reference, if you can just follow the line of thought of the discussion you entered at the end, and you will need a protractor and several kitchen utensils to do so, you’ll understand exactly how my brain works.

Whoa!

Loxodonta on May 17, 2009 at 11:18 PM

Heh.

Well, I’m glad you all seemed to back up Blue. He’s a good poster.

Upstater85 on May 17, 2009 at 11:20 PM

Notre Dame is now Northern Indiana University at South Bend, and nothing more, a very good, very expensive private school.

Jaibones on May 17, 2009 at 11:21 PM

Yeah, this is not unique to the Catholic Schools though.

My parents wanted me to consider a Wesleyan college. I at least visited. I realized I could have a BETTER education at a secular institute where the professors were just as too the left.

I’ve also heard the Mennonite schools are trending hard left.

Upstater85 on May 17, 2009 at 11:26 PM

I’m worried about Israel, too. I don’t like the way Obama has been treating them, and they have very little maneuvering room, quite literally.

Loxodonta on May 17, 2009 at 11:23 PM

Yeah, this is very concerning. I hope Obama realizes he can’t throw Israel under the bus. This is not an option for a viable Jewish state – that happens to be the most liberal (free) in the region.

Upstater85 on May 17, 2009 at 11:28 PM

There is no reason to worry about Israel. Israel will always be the apple of G-d’s eye. There is some scripture here that needs to be refrenced but I can’t find it…

daesleeper on May 17, 2009 at 11:29 PM

Yeah, but if that’s true, I want to be on their side and not on the side of the Camel King and his Gazan Toilet Minions.

Upstater85 on May 17, 2009 at 11:31 PM

If you are willing to do so, would you describe your religious background and current faith, if any? And if you don’t want to, that’s okay.

Loxodonta on May 17, 2009 at 11:36 PM

Ahhh! The dreaded question!

When I was young, my parents (and thus I) attended a non-denominational church. This was before the term Evangelical was as popular as it is now. There was a time that we did not attend an actual church – but my family was part of a loose group of families that met together (no, we weren’t hippies). As I went off to college, my parents ended up rejoining another church; however, by this time, I had come to mistrust many pastor figures. This is both a long story and semi-ironic given that my very trusted Uncle is a pastor of a break-off Mennonite Church (my mother’s background) The current church that my parents attend would be called more or less an Evangelical church. Ah, but this is about them, and not me. I would consider my faith to be Christian. I am a (poor) follower of Jesus (or Yeshua as has become more popular with many my age). I believe in the Godly life described in the Bible, and I would like to follow that life. That said, I still have trouble with authority figures – especially in the church. I believe that in the end, we are all (independent of church building or denomination) in The Church so long as we strive to follow God’s laws and acknowledge and then ask forgiveness for our sins. Even though I struggle with some of the Christian structures, I do have respect for them and I don’t think it is fair to constantly slam on them.

Upstater85 on May 17, 2009 at 11:47 PM

So, given that and your home-schooling, I imagine that college may well have been eye-opening for you on many different levels.

The last time I was in a college setting, I found it like being in an alien world.

Loxodonta on May 17, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Yes and no. Fortunately I was an easy going enough person where I didn’t have a complete breakdown – I did know people that had the opposite experience. I think the biggest surprise for me was how students that wanted to participate in the dialogue were shut down if they disagreed. I learned to be very careful about asking certain questions. I had to veil it in lefty-lingo. That was sad. I’m still in academia – one day plan on being part of it. One hard part about going off to grad school was the sheer lack of conservatives or traditionalists. At least in undergrad, there were some. In graduate school, one has to be careful about their personal beliefs so as not to be ostracized (and not just by the Profs)

Upstater85 on May 17, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Read up on Dorothy Day and the Catholic Worker Movement. It seems that many Christians and Jews are attracted to Communism…I suppose because they view their religious beliefs as being aligned with Karl Marx?

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 18, 2009 at 12:03 AM

I think the one of the biggest threats to modern Christianity will be the ever so tempting Social Justice Programs.

Upstater85 on May 18, 2009 at 12:05 AM

Thanks and have a great night yourself.

I don’t think it’s going to get better for quite a while. The Left owns the media and academia, right down to pre-school. You have a wonderful sense of humor. That will also be essential to survival. Don’t let yourself become overcome by bitterness and anger about what they are forcing you to do. And find a safe place to discharge those feelings when you need to do so.

Loxodonta on May 18, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Yeah, HA is one of those places ;)

Upstater85 on May 18, 2009 at 12:21 AM

Real men don’t “biatch slap”…

If Bibi hits him… Bambi goes down… HARD…

Romeo13 on May 18, 2009 at 12:16 AM

OK, OK, but do you think all Bibi has to do is raise his hand? That’s something I’d pay to see.

Unfortunately, I think Barry has learned to only go down HARD for the likes of the Camel King and he probably despises Bibi.

Upstater85 on May 18, 2009 at 12:22 AM