Obama at Notre Dame: Hey, let’s be open-minded about child murder
posted at 6:43 pm on May 17, 2009 by Allahpundit
As expected, a heaping scoopful of pap about tolerance and dialogue aimed at defusing the issue ahead of 2012. Realistically, this was the only rhetorical move he could have made, but it’s rich to find him urging both sides to continue trying to persuade each other when he didn’t have the stones to use this as an opportunity to make the case for choice. I admit, this isn’t my issue — I’d accept legal abortion in the very, very early stages of pregnancy, before the embryo can feel pain — but I sympathize enough with true-believing pro-lifers to see how insulting the “agree to disagree” approach must be to the depth of their conviction. Huckabee, provocatively, has framed the enormity of abortion as similar to that of slavery; just as slavery had to be expunged nationally via constitutional amendment, so does abortion in his opinion. Once you’ve come to see it that way, how “open-minded” can you really be in disagreement? To borrow The One’s phrase, what “fair-minded words” would be regarded as fair in defense of slavery?
Fox News has the full transcript. I expected a somewhat divided crowd, but watch the very beginning of the speech at Greg Hengler’s site and note how “raucous” the reception was. It stayed that way during the most controversial part of the day, when Obama got his honorary degree: According to the LA Times, “Virtually all of the graduates stood and applauded as Obama received his honorary degree.” I’m giving you two clips, one from CNN of the meat and potatoes about “dialogue” or whatever and the other via Gateway Pundit of the few moments of protest that interrupted him, quickly drowned out by boos and chants from the O-bots in the graduating class. If you’re wondering what your party’s chairman used this occasion to say about abortion — well, no, actually, I don’t think you want to know.
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Drat, drat, triple drat… AP I wanna post editing feature!
Right after I get a smiley of a head banging into a wall!
Skywise on May 17, 2009 at 7:31 PM
*sigh* The example was meant to illustrate how one may wish to avoid a certain situation, and yet have legal means to act if they still find themselves in this unfortunate circumstance.
radiofreevillage on May 17, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Excellent! Let’s get those pictures out there, we want full disclosure. That might bring an end to this, “its just tissue” nonsense.
Joe Pyne on May 17, 2009 at 7:31 PM
If people are upset with Notre Dame for awarding Obama with an honarary degree and granting him a platform, why the hell would they care about standing ovations?
???
Daemonocracy on May 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM
Yes that is what I want for my wife, daughter, sisters, sisters-in-law, and grandchildren ….you nailed it.
/sarc
Such silliness. You are such the tool…useful idiot even.
Jamson64 on May 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM
So what?
bluelightbrigade on May 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM
Great point…why rare? If there is nothing wrong with it?
Jamson64 on May 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM
Perhaps they should keep their clothes on then.
deidre on May 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM
A differentiated cell clump is not a human life. Anyone that thinks it is just plain stupid.
Go back to the darkages, conservatives.
In the 21st century women have rights over their own bodies.
The invention of birth control freed the
slaveswomen.strangelet on May 17, 2009 at 7:33 PM
You know what makes me sick?
You know what makes me so angry I just want to piss on my own dog while it’s pissing on my wife’s plants in the new garden while she’s getting pissed off at me?
It’s trolls like you that make useful idiots. You know, useful idiots… like the kind that make widgets in factories somewhere in China. Trolls like you come and take a keyboard diarreha dump on folks that just want intelligent debate.
Folks like you, wearing tin foil hats and bearin your breasts at rallies while scaring children and old folks. Folks like Cindy Sheehan. Now, that’s some scary thought from the past.
Do us all a favor, troll. Get on over to Kos. They been missing their link. It is you.
Good day.
Key West Reader on May 17, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Fixed it for ya, AP.
Del Dolemonte on May 17, 2009 at 7:33 PM
For me, today is day of shame and darkness.
Before the cock crows you will deny me three times.
Loxodonta on May 17, 2009 at 7:33 PM
In other words, you were equivocating.
Daemonocracy on May 17, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Because if you throw money at something, it goes away. Like poverty. We spent trillions on poverty, and yep! it’s all gone. Unless it’s green technology, then we throw money at it because we want more, like the level of quality of education. If we spend more we’ll get better schools. So it’s simple, you see; if you want more or less of something, just spend money on it.
trubble on May 17, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Are you huffing again?
What’d I tell you about that?!?!!?!?
blatantblue on May 17, 2009 at 7:35 PM
The graduates and their families gave Obama several standing ovations.
It was their commencement.
Not yours.
strangelet on May 17, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Best part: The faculty member (behind O’s right shoulder) yawning. And the one behind him fiddling with his camera/camercorder.
Worst part: Obama’s plug for his book.
Oh also worst – the part about us all being bad for having “greed and short term thinking”…
oh and the part about us having “immediate self interest”.
And sorry but I still don’t think the PhD hood (blue velvet) should be presented to someone receiving an honorary law degree – law is purple and not a Doctor of Philosophy blue. But ASU put him in blue as well – and he should have been wearing the color of his highest earned degree – which is juris law – purple.
Rockygold on May 17, 2009 at 7:35 PM
strangelet on May 17, 2009 at 7:33 PM
This is the persuasion our president was encouraging?
Really, you do sound as if you need some sort of professional help. Seek it.
myrenovations on May 17, 2009 at 7:35 PM
To the left, political tolearance means that those they disagree with are allowed to believe anything they want. But they must accept the lefts agenda without complaining.
MarkTheGreat on May 17, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Gotta love the Obamas lecturing graduates not to go for the money, but instead aspire to “give back.” Both of the Obamas went to work at a large law firm (Sidley & Austin) right after they graduated. The only reason Barry ever took a job in “community organizing” was because he wanted to use it as a resume enhancer when he launched his inevitable political career. (Clever Barry understood that’s where the real money is).
Once Barry started winning elections, he used his political clout to get his wife a cushy, specially-created-for-her, 6-figure job. He also used his crooked political connections to buy himself and Michelle a big fancy house at a substantial, not-available-to-anyone-else discount. He’s made millions in royalties from his two, self-laudatory, highly fictionalized “autobiographies.” Meanwhile, his and Michelle’s tax returns show that they’ve given very little of their ample income to charity. But Michelle still sees fit to whine about a $600 stimulus check not being enough to purchase herself a good pair of earrings, and wears a pair of $540 designer sneakers to a photo opp at a homeless shelter.
I just hope these new graduates don’t decide to “give back” to this country the way Barry and Michelle have done. This country can’t afford any more “givers” like these two.
AZCoyote on May 17, 2009 at 7:36 PM
So when did that female phorid fly lay her egg in your brain?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090515-zombie-ants-flies.html
Del Dolemonte on May 17, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Fear not.
Key West Reader on May 17, 2009 at 7:37 PM
What if you wanted to keep your baby………
………. but “the State” said no?
Seven Percent Solution on May 17, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Hey Obama!
Abortion is a binary event . . . the human organism is either dead or alive and there is no room for open mindedness. If you accept wholesale abortion then you agree with the mass slaughter of unborn humans. Go peddle that pile of dung somewhere else.
rplat on May 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Why do the dems want to kill innocent babies in the womb but won’t pull the switch on the guy who had a fair trial and was convicted of his crimes and was given the death penalty?
cjs1943 on May 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM
OK. Every time a woman has sex (considering how condoms don’t work etc) she implicitly agrees to a contract binding her to raise another child if she’s unlucky.
You’ll have to forgive me for that when having to choose between supporting that or “the right to privacy”, which is technically not in the Constitution, I support “the right to privacy”.
radiofreevillage on May 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM
LOL, you just made it “yours” by mentioning the applause for O’bama.
Now, can I have some of your cheap tequila?
Del Dolemonte on May 17, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Not even close. It’s human tissue, and it isn’t the mother’s tissue. It isn’t a fig tree, or a turtle or a chimp. It has 46 chromosomes, not 23 like an egg or sperm cell. It is human. It is unique. It has a very good prognosis and will most likely live a longer and healthier life than all of us. Unless you kill it first.
trubble on May 17, 2009 at 7:40 PM
myreno …strangelet is ill alright
Jamson64 on May 17, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Please consut the dictionary for the meaning of this word. It’s not enough for the word to sound smart. You should also use it correctly.
radiofreevillage on May 17, 2009 at 7:40 PM
The perfect illustration of hypocrisy. And the fascinating part is that neither one of them gives a damn.
sherry on May 17, 2009 at 7:41 PM
I guess, by your twisted logic, a murderer, rapist, theif, or child molester should not be judged, after all they made the choice and have to live with it. Who are you to judge the spiritual pain of those priests that raped those boys. It must have been real hard on them, of course the boys will just have to get along the best they can. Unfortunately, you can’t do that if you’re dead.
Joe Pyne on May 17, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Strangelet skipped that part of its life.
Jamson64 on May 17, 2009 at 7:42 PM
So what?
I cheer at rock concerts, too.
That’s all Obama is: A rock concert.
And to use this as a platform for this type political identification was pretty bent.
Standing ovations or not.
P.S. As a survivor of Roe v. Wade, I’d like to take a moment and give a standing ovation to the people who convinced my mom to keep me.
bluelightbrigade on May 17, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Obamaism is a binary event. Either you’re a pasty for it, or you have brain cells.
Also, did anyone pick up on how thin skinned Obambi is when it comes to “blogs” and “talking heads” as he warned the Notre Dame alumni not to pay attention to either?
Western_Civ on May 17, 2009 at 7:43 PM
And just when would that be? ‘very, very early’ is rather vague.
So – if I had the genetic condition where I couldn’t feel pain, then it would be okay to kill me?
Once the spark of life has begun, it’s too late.
I believe in choice – the choice to have sex or not. After that, you need to accept the consequences.
I’ll step off my soapbox now…
Timothy S. Carlson on May 17, 2009 at 7:43 PM
http://www.proudtobecanadian.ca/images/uploads/Rosie_ODonnell.jpg
Strangelet unmasked
Key West Reader on May 17, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Couldn’t one chose multiple birth control devices?
If a condom were to fail, there is also the various sponges and jellies, diaphragms, the pill and those thingies they can insert under your skin (sounds creepy though).
Which would still leave a problem for non-consensual sex leading to pregnancy, but we would have the casual sex pretty well covered.
myrenovations on May 17, 2009 at 7:43 PM
hmmm…I wrote a spoof on Cindy Sheehan for Dr. Rusty once.
When I was a conservative.
It was clever…..to the tune of
Stacey’sCasey’s Mom.I think I got banned at dKos for that.
Think of me as the grrl version of John Cole.
strangelet on May 17, 2009 at 7:44 PM
You were morally equivocating. Just because you don’t understand something does not mean the person saying it is just trying to sound smart.
Daemonocracy on May 17, 2009 at 7:44 PM
Life has difficult consequences. I’m all for sexual freedom, but no at the cost of ending a human life. Again, it isn’t a fig tree, or a turtle, or a chimp, it’s human. If no one interferes (First, do no harm, where have I heard that?) it will likely lead a longer and healthier life than all of us.
The argument that a child is a burden is not justification for ending a human life. It just isn’t.
trubble on May 17, 2009 at 7:45 PM
It’s not that complicated. AP just can’t concede that abortion is tantamount to murder.
Pain or no.
bluelightbrigade on May 17, 2009 at 7:45 PM
then please, feel free to use birth control.
But your FAILURE to use birth control, or control your actions, should not give you license to kill a human being.
And I might add, you are nothing more than a clump of cells as well… just a bigger more defined clump, therefore, by your own standard, we can “abort” you?
Romeo13 on May 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Well strangelet, so it would have been OK for your mum to abort you, right?
Sounder on May 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Don’t have to kill it……its parasitic….all you have to do remove life support.
strangelet on May 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM
God have a special place in hell for baby killers.
People that support abortion are disgusting.
jdun on May 17, 2009 at 7:47 PM
And yet, if you hit a pregnant woman, and she miscarries, in many states THAT is considered Murder….
How… interesting… of a double standard.
Romeo13 on May 17, 2009 at 7:47 PM
Oh, so you used to be a conservative until you bumped your head on a turning propeller?
blatantblue on May 17, 2009 at 7:47 PM
So what?
(P.S. That’s called a “rhetorical question.” I don’t care what your point is, even if you have one. No one here actually does.)
bluelightbrigade on May 17, 2009 at 7:47 PM
Let’s hope that Ed bans you from our sight tomorrow AM. Like your friend ‘getalife’.
Key West Reader on May 17, 2009 at 7:47 PM
Yes. Or give the baby up for adoption. But killing an innocent, because of the inconvenience, is murder – plain and simple.
Timothy S. Carlson on May 17, 2009 at 7:47 PM
As Allan Bloom states of openness, “the point is not correct the mistakes and really be right; rather it is not to think you are right all.” “Openness used to be the virtue that permitted us to seek the good by using reason. It now means accepting everything and denying reason’s power. The unrestrained and thoughtless pursuit of openness, without recognizing the inherent political, social, or cultural problem of openness as the goal of nature, has rendered openness meaningless. Cultural relativism destroys both one’s own and the good. Culture, hence, closedness, reigns supreme. Openness to closedness is what we teach.”
~”The Closing of the American Mind” by Allan Bloom
Send_Me on May 17, 2009 at 7:48 PM
I do pray that strangelet uses birth control.
myrenovations on May 17, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Then, it would be OK to take away your lifesupport?
Food? Oxygen? for by your definition, you are nothing but a parasite to “Mother Earth”.
Romeo13 on May 17, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Isn’t it your argument that you should teach your kids about contraception and not abstinence because contracpetion actually works? You contradicted yourself there a little. There are other forms of contraception other than condoms such as pills, IUD, this machine that tells you when you ovulate, etc. If someone doesn’t want to get pregnant and is consistent with the contraception method, I can guarantee you that they will not get pregnant; it is called precautions at all cost.
Sorry, I don’t consider abortion a form of birth control. If a condom breaks, you can get things to flush you out. Take your pill every day. Take your temperature every day. Get an IUD placed. Contraception is very, very effective.
Also, there is a form of adoption if you don’t want to raise the child. If you’re a woman, 9 months without your period is heaven. Millions of people want to adopt babies.
deidre on May 17, 2009 at 7:48 PM
That is simply out of the park, over the top and outrageously disgusting.
Ed or AP? Please, enough.
Key West Reader on May 17, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Very true.
bluelightbrigade on May 17, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Good God, I would hate to be your spouse and have a stroke that left me incapable of using my limbs, or the ability to talk. You would have me killed with about as much thought as you would swatting a fly. I guess you could say, I was just “unlucky.”
You wonder how something like the Gulags and the Auschwitzs ever materialized in a civilized society? See the writings of this guy (radiofrevillage).
Joe Pyne on May 17, 2009 at 7:49 PM
My goodness, village without a radio, if she is “unlucky” enough to be cursed with a child she coul;d always give the child up for adoption. Well…then she would have to go through that whole 9 months thingy which is such a drag and then she would have to go through the ordeal of a delivery….
Nope, better to just kill the little sucker.
Vince on May 17, 2009 at 7:49 PM
The argument that a child is a burden is not justification for ending a human life. It just isn’t.
trubble on May 17, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Forcing a woman to bear an unwanted fetus is enslavement. A womb of the state.
Citizen rights trump undifferentiated cell clump rights in a free republic.
;)
strangelet on May 17, 2009 at 7:49 PM
And he’s singing the same old songs.
thomasaur on May 17, 2009 at 7:50 PM
And now we get to the how liberals truly feel about the unborn. They de-humanize the child in every way possible to feed their partisan driven denial.
These nuts also see humans as parasitic of the Earth, which has lead to this man made global warming nonsense.
Daemonocracy on May 17, 2009 at 7:50 PM
Embryos are parasites now? Only parasites here are the trolls. OK, I’ve had enough. You’re either truly off your rocker, or your taking me for a ride. Either way, you can’t seem to make a cogent argument, so it’s no fun.
trubble on May 17, 2009 at 7:50 PM
Just take away her macbook.
/corporatewater.
bluelightbrigade on May 17, 2009 at 7:51 PM
Until I saw GW lie.
strangelet on May 17, 2009 at 7:51 PM
BAHAHAHA!! ok, now I know you’re just pushing buttons.
trubble on May 17, 2009 at 7:52 PM
No, I never said condoms were 100% proof. It’s just that it’s better to use them when you have sex. Plus, I am not opposed to abstinence. I’m opposed to teaching abstinence only.
radiofreevillage on May 17, 2009 at 7:52 PM
What does George Bush’s actions have to do with conservative principles, though?
Let’s say he DID LIE.
What does him lying about, say, WMD, make wrong about the long proven idea that high taxes are bad for economies?
blatantblue on May 17, 2009 at 7:54 PM
And killing a fetus is murder.
So it’s slavery to prevent a person from murdering another person?
It’s all how you frame it. Get with the program, kid.
bluelightbrigade on May 17, 2009 at 7:55 PM
No, I wouldn’t. Fetuses aren’t people. There’s no parallel.
Yes. Desire of some to control other people’s lives in the name of stupid dogmas.
radiofreevillage on May 17, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Wow. What great principles you have.
W lies, and you head straight for the fetuses.
Niiiccceee…
bluelightbrigade on May 17, 2009 at 7:56 PM
What the f**k does this even mean? Allah, this is one of the most asinine comments you’ve ever made. Maybe it’s time for you to go on a long vacation.
diditagain on May 17, 2009 at 7:57 PM
What the f**k does this even mean? Allah, this is one of the most asinine comments you’ve ever made. Maybe it’s time for you to go on a long vacation.
diditagain on May 17, 2009 at 7:57 PM
His “lying” would have soured your opinion on the war, not conservatism in general. You are either incredibly weak willed or lying.
Daemonocracy on May 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Do not worry the same STD that has damaged its brain also took care of the fertility.
Jamson64 on May 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM
What the f**k does this even mean? Allah, this is one of the most asinine comments you’ve ever made. Maybe it’s time for you to go on a long vacation.
diditagain on May 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM
What the f**k does this even mean? Allah, this is one of the most asinine comments you’ve ever made. Maybe it’s time for you to go on a long vacation.
diditagain on May 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM
What the f**k does this even mean? Allah, this is one of the most asinine comments you’ve ever made. Maybe it’s time for you to go on a long vacation.
diditagain on May 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM
What the f**k does this even mean? Allah, this is one of the most asinine comments you’ve ever made. Maybe it’s time for you to go on a long vacation.
diditagain on May 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM
What the f**k does this even mean? Allah, this is one of the most asinine comments you’ve ever made. Maybe it’s time for you to go on a long vacation.
diditagain on May 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM
What the f**k does this even mean? Allah, this is one of the most asinine comments you’ve ever made. Maybe it’s time for you to go on a long vacation.
diditagain on May 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM
What the f**k does this even mean? Allah, this is one of the most asinine comments you’ve ever made. Maybe it’s time for you to go on a long vacation.
diditagain on May 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM
What the f**k does this even mean? Allah, this is one of the most asinine comments you’ve ever made. Maybe it’s time for you to go on a long vacation.
diditagain on May 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM
What the f**k does this even mean? Allah, this is one of the most asinine comments you’ve ever made. Maybe it’s time for you to go on a long vacation.
diditagain on May 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM
His “lying” would have soured your opinion on the war, not conservatism in general. You are either incredibly weak willed or lying.
Daemonocracy on May 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM
His “lying” would have soured your opinion on the war, not conservatism in general. You are either incredibly weak willed or lying.
Daemonocracy on May 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Yes, and you can put a woman in a black bag to prevent rape and moral decay of men. Nice framing indeed. Not entirely new, though. Particularly in some partd of the world.
radiofreevillage on May 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Do not worry the same STD that has damaged its brain also took care of the fertility.
Jamson64 on May 17, 2009 at 7:59 PM
I used to take care of NICU babies. The saddest stories were the ones that women had abortions years before, then had trouble conceiving, then finally had a baby that was massively premature. Apparently no one told them when they had the abortion that many women who kill the fetus, “clump of undifferentiated cells”, or baby (whatever turns your crank) via abortion end up with major problems conceiving later on.
Decisions have consequences. Even this one.
mjk on May 17, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Huh? You surprise me, AP. So it’s only about the pain, not about the life that is taken?
No matter how tiny that clump of cells is, it contains human DNA—and can develop into nothing other than a human being.
I think it was Ann Coulter who said, “Anyone who has ever bought a box of condoms knows exactly when life begins.”
IrishEi on May 17, 2009 at 7:59 PM
I used to take care of NICU babies. The saddest stories were the ones that women had abortions years before, then had trouble conceiving, then finally had a baby that was massively premature. Apparently no one told them when they had the abortion that many women who kill the fetus, “clump of undifferentiated cells”, or baby (whatever turns your crank) via abortion end up with major problems conceiving later on.
Decisions have consequences. Even this one.
mjk on May 17, 2009 at 7:59 PM
I used to take care of NICU babies. The saddest stories were the ones that women had abortions years before, then had trouble conceiving, then finally had a baby that was massively premature. Apparently no one told them when they had the abortion that many women who kill the fetus, “clump of undifferentiated cells”, or baby (whatever turns your crank) via abortion end up with major problems conceiving later on.
Decisions have consequences. Even this one.
mjk on May 17, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Yes, and you can put a woman in a black bag to prevent rape and moral decay of men. Nice framing indeed. Not entirely new, though. Particularly in some partd of the world.
radiofreevillage on May 17, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Obama lies ever time he opens his half-white mouth.
WTF country do you live in? Keep your damn legs together and you won’t have to worry about being a ‘womb of the state.’
You shining star of a President is systematically making all of us less free. That doesn’t matter as long as you can engage in the basest of activities. You are sick, perverted, and pathetic.
Where does the rage come from? Daddy didn’t beat you enough? Now you gotta rage against the machine. You are a dolt and deserve enslavement.
daesleeper on May 17, 2009 at 8:00 PM
radiofreevillage on May 17, 2009 at 7:56 PM
What do you mean fetuses aren’t people? That’s not a puppy growing in a woman’s womb.
And strangelet, I can not believe a women called a human embryo a “parasite”.
kingsjester on May 17, 2009 at 8:00 PM
The King of Child Murderers got a slightly higher percentage (54%)of the vote from the followers of the religion that purports to champion the salvation of helpless babies than he got from “uncaring abortionists.” Clearly the teachings are no longer resonating. So sad. But no wonder, Notre Dame, with its eyes on publicity and endowment money first and religion only as an afterthought did not flinch in granting Obama an honorary degree that he and his ancestors can hang on a wall in perpetuity.
MaiDee on May 17, 2009 at 8:00 PM
No – a differentiated cell clump that remains a differentiated cell clump after 9 months is not a human life. A human embryo, from the time of conception, IS.
Timothy S. Carlson on May 17, 2009 at 8:01 PM
What “lie” was that….?
Seven Percent Solution on May 17, 2009 at 8:01 PM
I guess the hecklers never got the memo that only lefty disrupters are praised as spealing truth to power.
RobCon on May 17, 2009 at 8:01 PM
So we must move to make carbon emissions illegal!! If it’s bad and wrong, the government must make it cease!
Oh, he wasn’t talking about that?
mankai on May 17, 2009 at 8:02 PM
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