Obama at Notre Dame: Hey, let’s be open-minded about child murder
posted at 6:43 pm on May 17, 2009 by Allahpundit
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As expected, a heaping scoopful of pap about tolerance and dialogue aimed at defusing the issue ahead of 2012. Realistically, this was the only rhetorical move he could have made, but it’s rich to find him urging both sides to continue trying to persuade each other when he didn’t have the stones to use this as an opportunity to make the case for choice. I admit, this isn’t my issue — I’d accept legal abortion in the very, very early stages of pregnancy, before the embryo can feel pain — but I sympathize enough with true-believing pro-lifers to see how insulting the “agree to disagree” approach must be to the depth of their conviction. Huckabee, provocatively, has framed the enormity of abortion as similar to that of slavery; just as slavery had to be expunged nationally via constitutional amendment, so does abortion in his opinion. Once you’ve come to see it that way, how “open-minded” can you really be in disagreement? To borrow The One’s phrase, what “fair-minded words” would be regarded as fair in defense of slavery?
Fox News has the full transcript. I expected a somewhat divided crowd, but watch the very beginning of the speech at Greg Hengler’s site and note how “raucous” the reception was. It stayed that way during the most controversial part of the day, when Obama got his honorary degree: According to the LA Times, “Virtually all of the graduates stood and applauded as Obama received his honorary degree.” I’m giving you two clips, one from CNN of the meat and potatoes about “dialogue” or whatever and the other via Gateway Pundit of the few moments of protest that interrupted him, quickly drowned out by boos and chants from the O-bots in the graduating class. If you’re wondering what your party’s chairman used this occasion to say about abortion — well, no, actually, I don’t think you want to know.
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Just speeches?
blatantblue on May 17, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Death. It’s what’s for dinner.
UltimateBob on May 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM
This isn’t an argument anyone on the pro-life side makes. The zygote has full personhood — pain isn’t the issue here, but right to life. This is a human being with a future and a destiny — we will do well to protect the most innocent among us, particularly those who cannot yet speak for themselves.
Richard Romano on May 17, 2009 at 6:49 PM
So does this mean abortion isn’t above his pay grade anymore?
Sue on May 17, 2009 at 6:50 PM
Gawd, when did MegaMac become the chairman?
conservnut on May 17, 2009 at 6:50 PM
William Wilberforce had plenty of fellow Englishmen insisting that he be open-minded about the British slave trade.
For those who haven’t seen Amazing Grace, please watch it… with the perspective of hope for the eventual cessation of the abortion trade.
jgapinoy on May 17, 2009 at 6:51 PM
I heard part of the speech on the radio… it’s a bizarre rationalization… essentially, ‘It’s very bad… so let’s keep it legal but making it never happen by government funding of health care.’
Well then shouldn’t we make it illegal then to make sure it doesn’t happen?
Are you not trying to criminalize CO2 expelling into the atmosphere because its’ “bad”? What’s wrong with using your fantastic legal reasoning here, too… Why not let’s keep the factories work hard to minimize the pollution they emit by government funding of factory upgrades. (No no… gotta make that illegal)
Let’s keep executive compensation decided by the companies themselves rather than make it illegal…
What else can this “great constitutional scholar” apply this legal reasoning to? Did you not just say a few weeks ago that marijuana use should NOT be legalized because it’s bad? Why is this ok to keep legal but pot use is bad?
But no, even the radio report was already spinning about what a masterful speech Obama made… of course if this had been Bush the report would’ve been “Bush tries to have it both ways…”
But not in Bizarro USA…
Skywise on May 17, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Cherchez l’argent.
Jim-Rose on May 17, 2009 at 6:52 PM
I wonder when he & MO made the decision to NOT abort their 2 daughters?
poppieseeds on May 17, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Typical: conservatives are always supposed to compromise with that which they consider morally abhorrent.
My new response for whenever someone calls me close-minded? “I’ve thoroughly considered your position. I reject it.”
Animator Girl on May 17, 2009 at 6:52 PM
So, what will he tell Planned Parenthood next week?
I figured he would go this route. What was he suppose to do honestly? Notre Dame will be the one hurting, especially in a time of economic crisis. It is already said they will loose 13+ million bucks for this.
deidre on May 17, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Personally, I got a kick out of the Notre Dame President’s claim that The Precedent gave up wealth for public service. I guess he didn’t know about that $1,000,000+ Chicago house that the Obama’s got by playing footsy with a criminal and pulling some fancy financial shenanigans. That’s understandable. It was a secret :)
Then, The Precedent made a call for civility. He’s just lucky that his kidneys didn’t fail at that moment (which would have been true justice).
I found the whole scene to be pathetic. I was really surprised by the huge percentage of Precedential sycophants in that audience – or so it sounded. Shameful.
The Precedent also threw in a neat little word game with capitalism: “You’ll be called to help restore a free market that’s also fair to all who are willing to work.”
Anytime this despicable, lying occupier of the White House talks about “fair[ness]” … watch out! Note to the moron-in-chief, being “willing to work” isn’t enough.
progressoverpeace on May 17, 2009 at 6:53 PM
This is what the Catholic Church is permitting. The parishoners to pick and choose what to believe in. Life is not debatable. How fundamentally wrong this is.
As for Steele, I tried giving the guy a chance, then he says this:
IS HE KIDDING ME?! Whitman was one of the worst in NJ. She was liberal.
I think someone commented in previous posts that Steele was on Fox News giving kudos to Obama’s speech. Time for Steele to go.
jencab on May 17, 2009 at 6:53 PM
Abortion, economic policy, commanding the military, moral leadership, diplomacy…all above his pay grade.
jgapinoy on May 17, 2009 at 6:54 PM
Agreed, great flick. I particularly liked the way they neither shied away from nor romanticized the role of religion in British society and in Wilberforce’s life.
Animator Girl on May 17, 2009 at 6:54 PM
Steele needs to go
Not just because what he said on abortion, but he just SUCKS at interviews. Did you see him this morning on Meet The Press?
deidre on May 17, 2009 at 6:54 PM
This is one of the issues with Obama touching on this topic. There is no recourse to his comments. No dialogue. Just him making vapid statements about “agreeing to disagree”.
Hell, it’s not like there aren’t more pressing things on the pres’ agenda…
c.u.shoeless on May 17, 2009 at 6:54 PM
Why don’t the leftist morons just want to tax abortion? Just wonderin’ …
progressoverpeace on May 17, 2009 at 6:55 PM
+1
ThePrez on May 17, 2009 at 6:55 PM
He took a day that is supposed to be focused on the graduates and their accomplishments and made it about him. He turned their ceremony into a circus. He even got them to chant “Yes we can.” Does the man ever stop campaigning?
sammypants on May 17, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Here is what I don’t understand
Obama wants less abortions, but he is funding more abortions. What the heck?
deidre on May 17, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Have you noticed that the more BO is challenged the higher his chin points?
d1carter on May 17, 2009 at 6:56 PM
If you are a Catholic and cannot understand what happened today at Notre Dame, you owe it to yourself to read this article concerning the special back room interests of the board of trustees.
From the ever reliable CNS News:
http://cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=48163
Apparently what started out as a legitimate religious movement turned into a business and ended up a racket.
rishika on May 17, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Not to worry…Notre Dame has friends in high places now.
jgapinoy on May 17, 2009 at 6:56 PM
LOL. Yes, the reason why he went to a Catholic school knowing full well of the opposition is that he was scared.
Other things he didn’t have the stones for:
1. Masturbating on stage
2. Telling Pope he ain’t sh*t.
His position on abortion is well known. Suggesting him to inflame his relationship with the Catholic Church even more is… shall we say, not very well-intended. Isn’t that true?
radiofreevillage on May 17, 2009 at 6:56 PM
He likes that Lenin pose.
progressoverpeace on May 17, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Pretty much. If he was a real leader, he would have made it about the graduates. If he did that, however, he would have had to step down from speaking because a few disagreed with him being invited.
deidre on May 17, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Dialog to a Democrat means “accept our viewpoint or we’ll label you an extremist and personally attack you.”
Hammerhead on May 17, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Out: Sticking to one’s principles.
In: Abortions are cool, like our awesomely bronze-skinned president.
fogw on May 17, 2009 at 6:59 PM
When ObamaCare runs out of money–which will happen faster than you can sneeze–then they’ll justify euthanasia by making it painless.
jgapinoy on May 17, 2009 at 6:59 PM
Did he give Notre Dame a gift set of DVDs in exchange for the honarary degree (to add to his honorary degrees from Columbia and Harvard)? Or did he just leave a signed photo of himself?
The Precedent is all class. Yes he is …
progressoverpeace on May 17, 2009 at 7:00 PM
I am not Catholic but what I don’t understand is how you can support something that is against the basic teachings of your church and remain in that church? It would seem to me that instead of trying to get the Catholic church to change you would find a church that was more in line with your own beliefs.
Sue on May 17, 2009 at 7:01 PM
The real pap emanted from the ivory tower boob who introduced Obortion as he kept up with a tissue of mindlessness that went something like, “This President keeps listening even when he disagrees with his critics.” [cue the crowd cheer].
If there are any academic brainiacs out there, please tell me how clamping your lips together and nodding smugly when fawned upon amounts to listening? And even when the big BO is listening, so what? He’s only listening so that he, Alinksy-like, can carefully co-op the language of potential acolytes, as he throws their words back at them all wrapped up in hopenchange platitudes.
This hybrid caesar is riding on such thin ice substantively and without any reputation for results (or grades or birth certs, etc), I just cant wait for the fall. It’s coming, but how long must we wait.
Western_Civ on May 17, 2009 at 7:02 PM
I have not felt the warm embrace of dialogue coming from this White House. He has not listened to conservatives on any of the decisions he has made thus far.
With the exception of military/national security decisions, where he has listend to the proper military people, conservatives have had a deaf ear turned to them.
He has rejected us and our views on policy issues out of hand. He never intended to listen to us in a way that might have allowed for persuasion.
On the big issues, where there are severe disagreements, he and his subordinates retaliate as if we do not even derseve to have opinions.
I did not think that I would agree with Obama on much, that has not been surprising. What is surprising is how unwelcome a conservative opinion is to this president.
myrenovations on May 17, 2009 at 7:02 PM
OK…….
……… let’s really see what we are talking about.
It is time for abortion videos to be distributed for all to see, from early term, to later term, even those babies who survive an abortion attempt and are left to die………..
……….. Come on! I want Obama’s “open hearts and open minds, …… fair minded words” to see an ultrasound picture of a fetus instinctively fighting against a surgical instrument while it slices into it, until the heart beat stops.
Let’s go people……! Show the American people and the world exactly what we are talking about!
…….. This is not just a topic on a teleprompter, we are talking about the killing of unborn babies by slicing them up, burning them in acid, or sucking their brains out of their soft skulls!
If we are offended about pictures of enhanced interrogation techniques………..
…….. then we should at least be privy to the blood, severed limbs, crushed skulls, and blue lifeless bodies of the most defenseless among us, right?
Pictures people, I want pictures and video………….
………. or is the reality of what “pro-choice” is beyond talking points, and to horrific to contemplate in any sense of a civilized society?
Seven Percent Solution on May 17, 2009 at 7:03 PM
I saw some of his speech in the form of soundbytes. It made me sicker than I expected it to. Such arrogance, or ignorance, to show his face there when he knows he is more pro-abortion than NARAL. After nominating Sebelius to Health and Human Services Secretary and Kennedy as Ambassador to the vatican he has proven that he is completely insensitive to the pro-life position, yet he has the audacity to go to Notre Dame and lecture a National audience about “finding common ground” and respecting the opinion of others? I wanted to throw my remote control at his face, but my 42″ Flat Screen is worth more than his opinion. He has NEVER sought common ground on this issue, not even when a nurse testified before the Illinois State Senate about how a fetus who survived a botched abortion was refused medical treatment as he suffocated to death. He was the only one who stood up on the floor and contradicted the nurses every word saying that saving that fetus would somehow threaten abortion rights. He doesn’t give a damn about open dialogue or common ground, he is a complete fraud and I would not be surprised if speaking at Notre Dame and nominating the outspoken pro-choice Kennedy as ambassador to the vatican is some sort of sadistic taunt for his own amusement.
I supported Obama on the Embryonic Research bill and I feel abortion should be a states rights issue not outlawed by the Supreme Court, I am someone who is willing to find common ground while Obama comes across as not just pro-choice but pro-abortion.
If there is one thing people can’t stand in this country, it is a weak willed sell out. Obama will most likely escape this firestorm unscathed but Notre Dame may not. They have proven that they are a bunch of opportunists who wanted the President to speak at the school in hoped of gaining more prestige and filling their coffers with more donations. They claim to be a Catholic institution and tell us how important the life is of the unborn, but then they give an honorary degree (as well as a platform) to the most radical abortionist in elected office? Who is Notre Dame to lecture anyone on moral issues when their most important one matters not when faced with opportunism. Notre Dame is a joke.
Daemonocracy on May 17, 2009 at 7:03 PM
He’s using reverse psychology.
progressoverpeace on May 17, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Liberals are incomprehensible creatures.
tarpon on May 17, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Hey! Let’s open our hearts and minds to eugenicists! Our difference are reconcilable.
/sarc
What was that crap about a “sensible conscience clause?” The idiot just repealed the one that Bust instated.
Glenn Jericho on May 17, 2009 at 7:04 PM
The only thing I’ve found that get’s through to Libs on this issue is the following:
Progressives have championed the extension of full rights to minorities, women, the handicapped and gays, but are adamant about excluding a genetically unique human being with a promising prognosis from legal protection as a human being. The ideological progeny of the Left will view today’s pro-choicers with the same revulsion and contempt that today’s lefties have for the antebellum South.
trubble on May 17, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Wow. Creepy but powerful. Considering all the plans to humiliate him, he playfully humiliated his opposition.
No wonder AP is pissed. (Pun intended.)
radiofreevillage on May 17, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Let me see if I got this straight. All his acts to this point say he supports abortions anywhere and at anytime. Even after a failed abortion attempt.
Next, we go to nationalized health care which will result in rationed health care and the premature death of older and less healthy people.
Where exectly does he support life?? It seems that he is praticing that liberal philosophy…Save the Planet, Kill the Humans!!
ny59giants on May 17, 2009 at 7:06 PM
I’ve been willing to give Steele the benefit of the doubt up until now — maybe too much doubt — but now I’m done with him.
When Huckabee (who I still think is a dishonest shill) is showing more courage of his convictions than the head of the RNC, it’s time for a new pick.
Cylor on May 17, 2009 at 7:07 PM
The MSNBC story has this about a protester:
“One yelled, “Stop killing our children.” The graduates responded by chanting “Yes we can”, the slogan that became synonymous with Obama’s presidential campaign.”
Great Catholics, All.
ckdexterhaven on May 17, 2009 at 7:07 PM
It’s sad to see the sell-out on abortion by the adoring grads. The school is named Notre Dame or Our Lady. Abortion is not an intellectual matter. It is a binary one. Either you suppose the killing of the unborn or you don’t.
What if Our Lady had decided to have an “intellectual debate” on the matter of killing the unborn?
Captain America on May 17, 2009 at 7:08 PM
1.)Fetal sentience and/or the ability to feel pain does not exist until the third trimester. [source]
2.) Less than .01% of all abortions happen in the third trimester. [source]
Basically, there’s no reason someone like you, who doesn’t have a moral problem with 99.9% of all abortions, should consider yourself pro-life.
AJB on May 17, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Steele is right.
Here’s the deal Most of the country doesn’t want 100% of abortion to be illegal. Most of the country is uncomfortable with 100% of abortions to be legal.
So R’s have to navigate between the absolutes.
To the extent that they don’t the voters will react. The voters will feel that their choices are infringed. Most do not want abortions for themselves or their daughters…but they want a “fall back”
Sorry, it may be tough but that’s it.
r keller on May 17, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Very true.
Obama gets paid to appear in photos.
He makes the rich liberals feel less guilty, gives poor liberals false hope, he’s basically there to distract everyone while we become socialized.
reaganaut on May 17, 2009 at 7:11 PM
My point is, why urge dialogue if he doesn’t have the balls to engage in it? And as I wrote earlier today, he was even more scared to turn down the ND invitation lest Catholics feel snubbed. This is vintage Obama: Everything is politically calculated, no bold stand is taken if it can possibly be avoided.
Allahpundit on May 17, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Dialogue? Understanding and respect?
How does that square with “I won”?
PattyJ on May 17, 2009 at 7:13 PM
1) What do you mean, “this isn’t my issue”? Life is not your issue? The protection of the most vulnerable and helpless among us is not your issue? Is this your atheism talking, or just the dumbfounded ignorance of libertarianism?
2) How do you know the embryo doesn’t feel pain? But, let’s say that’s true, are you, therefore, willing to allow the killing, maiming, or torturous experimentation done on any human being that doesn’t feel pain? How about those who are in coma’s? How about those who cannot speak? How would we know if they had pain? There are ways of killing that can be painless, is that your only criterion?
This issue is THE ISSUE for us as a people living in this nation. If we lose this issue, then we lose our society, much as Germany lost their society during Nazism. For the majority, the Jews were not an issue, but the economy was. Sounds eerily familiar doesn’t it?
Joe Pyne on May 17, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Everytime a fetus is aborted, especially the more developed ones, radiofreevillage chalks it as a win for him in his partisan scorebook.
Daemonocracy on May 17, 2009 at 7:14 PM
The whole affair inside the commencement hall was one big campaign rally for Obama.
The place looked like the Colosseum, with the libs feeding the lions with the fetuses of frightened and confused victims.
jay12 on May 17, 2009 at 7:14 PM
As such we can murder as long as someone does not feel pain.
/s
Jamson64 on May 17, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Because just saying it counts as having actually done it, for The Precedent. That’s the game, these days.
progressoverpeace on May 17, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Fixed.
Glenn Jericho on May 17, 2009 at 7:15 PM
No pain? That’s the standard?
Absurd. Lot’s of heinous things can be done without pain.
JiangxiDad on May 17, 2009 at 7:15 PM
That institution’s name will nevr be spoken in my home from this day forth.
marklmail on May 17, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Just in my own opinion, life begins at the moment of conception. This has nothing to do with my Catholic beliefs, nor does it have to do with my Republican political philosophy. It’s basic common sense, and it’s the only practical conclusion.
Although, as Allah states, abortion is OK prior to the fetus feeling pain…but development of the central nervous system may vary a bit from one to another. At what point does a particular fetus feel pain?
Some argue it’s not a “life”…a “person”…until the baby is born and breathing on it’s own. (funny, how most of us are conditioned to say “it” when talking about a fetus, or a baby). Some say it’s life at conception, but perhaps more for religious reasons. Some argue it’s life at a certain point of gestation…First trimester, second, and third trimester.
But, at least to me, it’s simple: Conception starts the “gears of life” spinning. A fetus’ first month, third month, ninth month, whatever…is a stage of life we all have to go through to get to any “next” stage, as in infancy to toddler hood to adolescence to middle-age to senior citizen. You can’t “skip over” any segment to get to the next.
So in that respect, each stage of life is of equal importance as any other in describing viability to any part of life itself.
Therefore, if we must draw a line as to where life begins, every option can be debated, except for “life begins at conception”.
It obviously gets into a real slippery slope, whenever one tries to argue that “If a woman, or a couple, whatever…don’t want a child, there is an option that’s 100% effective in preventing one: chastity. Oh, sure…for many, that’s “unrealistic”. But it’s also the truth.
Abortion on demand is nothing more than the willful termination of life (aka “first degree murder”) who’s decision, legally, lies with only one person, up until a certain point anyway. It’s an easy “out” from what may simply be “bad judgment” of a night out drinking and hooking up. Or maybe it’s “second thoughts”. In any event, a life is terminated for very frivolous reasons.
Then there’s “rape and incest”…which, being no choice for the woman who gets pregnant, is a different story. Yes, it’s still a viable life and all, but I cannot see putting any woman…any human being…through the pregnancy and all the physical and emotional trauma that might create. The “choice” wasn’t there.
But the “Choice” IS there for a woman or couple who “do it”, and lo…she’s pregnant. “My body, my choice” doesn’t cut it…there are two bodies, not to mention that the guy might have something to say.
Anyhoo, that’s my vent about this.
JetBoy on May 17, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Isn’t that the truth.
Jamson64 on May 17, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Parents – scratch Notre Dame off the schools to send your kids. What in the hell is happening here?
suzyk on May 17, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Obama: Yes, I want dialouge on this… of course all of MY policys are the opposite of what you may say, and… I won…
Therfore, I shall appoint the most pro abortion Head of HHS I can find.
But really, I’m listening…
Romeo13 on May 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Oh, and as far as Steele is considered, he is quickly descending into the abyss of irrelevance.
I won’t give one penny to the RNC until that buffon is removed.
Joe Pyne on May 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM
hear,hear.. I agree (which was ultimately the point of my rant, poorly edited as it was).
If he had gone there and given a leadership speech to Notre Dame. Then good for him. (Sure he would’ve lost some points for “ducking the issue” but it would’ve been a respectful position and, in turn, show honor to the church and institution.)
Strike one.
if he had gone there and given a speech that was pro-choice and gave an honest appraisal of his position about why it was necessary. Then good for him for at least standing up for his convictions and trying to teach us to understand his opinion.
Strike two.
Instead he played to his audience with a vapid, worthless speech full of fake platitudes and no underlying philosophy. He could’ve been selling them Shamwow’s and it would’ve had the same value. (And I’d argue the Shamwow guy would’ve made a better presentation.)
He sold out his values to make himself look good, just like Pelosi did last week.
Strike three.
He stood there and said it was “bad” and “wrong”
Skywise on May 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Luckily they don’t believe in God at Notre Dame. Otherwise I’d guess they’d be pretty nervous right now.
JiangxiDad on May 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Notre Dame’s Pres. got all jealous when he saw Columbia host Achmadjdjdjad and get all the attention, so he got the next best thing.
progressoverpeace on May 17, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Once I saw a homeless man sleeping in a cardboard box in front of an abortion clinic. Then I ran a hose from my exhaust pipe into the box. Didn’t feel a thing. He wouldn’t have had a good life anyway…probably. Totally ethical.
/sarc
Glenn Jericho on May 17, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Fox News had Steele paired with Doug Kmiec.
Steele was slaughtered.
jay12 on May 17, 2009 at 7:20 PM
I thought it was a good speech and I am NOT a fan of His Obamanesse. Even the teleprompters were not visible. I do wish that he would look at the camera when speaking. It gives an air of credibility. His Obamaness has none. Why not come right out and say so?
Michael Steele needs to go. I’m changing from GOP to Independent. Maybe Libertarian. Unless there’s somebody out there with the stones to shout against the creep of socialism, I’m not going to affiliate myself with the GOP. I’m tired of pasty old white dudes that have no nuts and no guts to say what needs to be said. Hint: John McCain and his pasty dough girl Meghan…. get gone.
Key West Reader on May 17, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Beguiling.
He speaks with a forked tongue.
obladioblada on May 17, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Does this mean you accept the life-long emotion, mental and spiritual pain the woman who chose to do this will in most cases endure?
wepeople on May 17, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Obama sucks.
nickj116 on May 17, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Y’know… he could’ve even respectfully declined the honorary degree to help the college save face…
But you just gotta see that smug picture of him on Drudge, condor nose held high, that this was all about HIM.
Skywise on May 17, 2009 at 7:21 PM
What I don’t understand is how anyone who is “pro-choice” can then turn around and call for discouraging abortions (the “safe, legal, rare” mantra). If there is nothing wrong with abortion, why rare? The more the merrier.
DrMagnolias on May 17, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Of course, he does. But for him personally the ceremony was not the place to once again push for his side.
What was he supposed to do assuming he wanted to have this dialogue? Make a speech and then invite somebody from the crowd to make a counter-point?
And if he simply made his points, wouldn’t you write a lengthy sarcastic post about how Obama speaking and everyone listening quietly is now a new form of a debate? Of course, you would.
This is why your post is so laughable. It’s not that I disagree with you on the issue. Which I do. It’s that you don’t have a case against him. Short of criticizing him for coming at all, which I guess would be merited on some level, any intellectually honest observer says that his behavior was ideal. Which of course, you well understood and hence wrote
before realizing this made too much sense for much of your audience.
radiofreevillage on May 17, 2009 at 7:22 PM
EXACTLY!
Glenn Jericho on May 17, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Lies….you socons want to enslave women…and make us Wombs of the State.
Like the ND Handmaids Tale Bill.
You see….human-life-at-conception laws could force implantation of embryos in terminal cryostasis in unwilling host wombs before their use-by date.
Step off, never happen.
You are powerless unless you can overturn Roe and that ain’t happening.
My favorite part was when the abortionshouter got booed by the WHOLE audience and the students chanted “let him speak let him speak.”
Liar liar pants on fire, AllahP.
strangelet on May 17, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Yeah, but it’s no way to live. My list is soooo long. I truly miss being able to easily take part in the culture.
JiangxiDad on May 17, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Debating abortion with a liberal is much like the man-made Global warming debate. You aren’t supposed to consider the obvious thing which is the cyclic radiation flux of the Sun; only Mother Earth is to be discussed as if the Earth exists in a vacuum.
Likewise they ignore what is central to the abortion debate, the baby. They brush IT aside and argue that IT is just a lump of cells with no human rights, and IT feels no pain and IT is just like a tumor that should be flushed away when Mommy says die. The phase of gestation and ITs development don’t seem to matter either. Even botched abortions don’t raise the slightest alarm. WTF
Geochelone on May 17, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Notre Shame is a good name for it.
Geochelone on May 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM
LOL !
Daemonocracy on May 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM
OT: Maureen Dowd plagiarized part of today’s column from Talking Points Memo’s Josh Marshall. She changed all of two words.
SnarkVader on May 17, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Turning off life support. Perfectly justifiable in some cases. Not something you would ever want to do if you had a choice.
radiofreevillage on May 17, 2009 at 7:25 PM
That is why he needs to go. He sucks and should have been able to slaughter Kmiec with Obama’s history on abortion.
deidre on May 17, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Put the cap back on the glue bottle, please.
trubble on May 17, 2009 at 7:26 PM
I agree.
INC on May 17, 2009 at 7:26 PM
You do know that when you write in that way it makes you sound like you have a mental illness, don’t you?
myrenovations on May 17, 2009 at 7:26 PM
And I thought Father Ted was awesome.
The connection between Eisenhower’s civil rights commission and the Notre Dame retreat in Wisconsin was beautiful.
Obama got several standing ovations, which you failed to mention.
strangelet on May 17, 2009 at 7:26 PM
That’s the “choice” that a woman makes. Not for you or me to judge. If she makes her choice, she lives with the pain of said choice; she lives with the loss, the regret and the pain of her own choices. You are not in your skin to judge the spiritual pain of anyone, dear poster.
Life itself is Sacred. Protect the lives of the unborn. Do not judge. Lest ye yourself be judged by the same measure.
Key West Reader on May 17, 2009 at 7:26 PM
I’d accept scattering Grandma’s brains with baseball bat in the very, very, late stages of life, provided she can’t feel pain.
Those of you who flippantly say that you “accept abortion” based on some criteria or other should just be honest and state, “I accept abortion.” If you had any courage, you’d review what medical science taught about unborn children over the past 100 years. The down side for the pro-abort crowd is that science is learning more and more about children in the womb. And what scientists are learning does NOT support abortion. Do the research.
oldleprechaun on May 17, 2009 at 7:27 PM
The Obamatons booing are a joke.
Too bad its not that funny.
bluelightbrigade on May 17, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Wait…so a 2 month old fetus or so is basically clinically dead? Or something like that?
Daemonocracy on May 17, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Good point.
By even suggesting that abortion should be “legal and rare” implies that there is something wrong with it.
It’s one thing to say “Well, smoking should be legal…but we should encourage people not to smoke” and quite another to say “Abortion should be legal, but shouldn’t be promoted”.
JetBoy on May 17, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Bravo!!! Also why hide that you had an abortion if it isn’t so “bad?”
deidre on May 17, 2009 at 7:28 PM
There’s nothing enslaving about telling someone they don’t have a right to kills someone else.
Dumbass.
bluelightbrigade on May 17, 2009 at 7:29 PM
But not the same circumstances at all. That’s ending a life to put one out of misery. Abortion is ending a life almost always to prevent an “inconvenience”.
Skywise on May 17, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Also, if he wants it to be “rare,” why fund it?
deidre on May 17, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Not surprising.
Point?
bluelightbrigade on May 17, 2009 at 7:30 PM
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