Video: Maher mocks buxom Christian opponent of gay marriage not named “Barack Obama”
posted at 3:36 pm on May 16, 2009 by Allahpundit
A quickie from last night’s show displaying all the charm and subtlety we’ve come to expect, and surely the first time in his life that he’s had an unkind word to say about breast implants. There’s something cosmically apt about him attacking her: No one in American media better embodies the lefty paradox of libertinism paired with judgmentalism, therefore no one’s better qualified to prosecute her for the left’s capital crime of hypocrisy. And why no similar goof on Obama? I favor Omri Ceren’s explanation from yesterday: “Miss CA is just this week’s Designated Hate Target, so she gets bundled into every leftist joke that requires an ‘insert demeaning reference here’ punchline.” True enough; his audience would have felt let down if he’d ignored her. But there’s a second possibility according to Mark Steyn, one that also explains the left’s different attitudes towards Cheney and Pelosi on torture: Unlike Obama, when Miss California says she’s against gay marriage, she actually means it.
It’s the Miss USA standard of political integrity: Carrie Prejean and Barack Obama have the same publicly stated views on gay marriage. But the politically correct enforcers know that Barack doesn’t mean it, so that’s okay, whereas Carrie does, so that’s a hate crime. In the torture debate, Pelosi is Obama and Dick Cheney is Carrie Prejean. Dick means it, because to him this is an issue of national security. Nancy doesn’t, because to her it’s about the shifting breezes of political viability.
For a movement that professes to care so much about torture and gay rights, they sure are cheap dates for their political leaders. Anyway, enjoy the clip. Just one more baby step towards me becoming a self-hating atheist.
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They just won’t let up on her, will they?
Daggett on May 16, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Yeah I saw this garbage last night didnt feel it was worth the bandwidth to even send it up.
But hey might as well put up the CNN stoolies mocking Sarah Palin for standing up for Miss California
Dont want them to be left out.
William Amos on May 16, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Speaking of Miss California’s medical procedures…
So yesterday there was a story on the Los Angeles local news about “Octomom” (as if we haven’t all had enough). The hospital where she gave birth is facing a $250,000 fine (from a California medical oversight organization, I believe) because staff at the hospital breached the privacy of her medical records.
I gotta’ believe Miss California has a case for a lawsuit against the pageant for releasing information about her breast augmentation.
Y-not on May 16, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Wow, I don’t care about this Prejean woman and I am not a Christian, but that was one of the most offensive things I have ever seen.
myrenovations on May 16, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Impossible.
jimmy the notable on May 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Not unil she cries and reverses her position.
Then they`ll call her a two-faced liar and make her cry some more.
ThePrez on May 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Liberal facism knows no bounds or boundaries.
William Amos on May 16, 2009 at 3:43 PM
That is so very, very true.
myrenovations on May 16, 2009 at 3:44 PM
She’s their current Emmanuel Goldstein.
snickelfritz on May 16, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Faulting others for falling short of their own aspirational standards all the while living as though there is no such thing as standards — isn’t that hypocrisy?
Stephen M on May 16, 2009 at 3:44 PM
He’s set up shop right next door to his Atheist Gonad Augmentation Center.
unclesmrgol on May 16, 2009 at 3:45 PM
And yet they dont slam Nancy for her botox treatments.
William Amos on May 16, 2009 at 3:45 PM
The Left has declared war.
Then war it is. My tolerance is exhausted.
chalons on May 16, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Bill Maher is such an ass. He was mouthing off in some movie theater lobby couple of years ago and some other patron there just punched him in the face, knocking him cold. Not a bad idea. Maher’s no stranger to breast augmentation, he’s a frequent visitor to the Playboy Mansion. Also, he’s a boob himself.
Paul-Cincy on May 16, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Only Liberals could view Obama’s politically expedient hypocrisy on the gay marriage issue as somehow morally superior to Prejean’s polite expression of her deeply-held religious belief.
Liberalism really is a mental disease.
AZCoyote on May 16, 2009 at 3:50 PM
It’s certainly food for thought.
Paul-Cincy on May 16, 2009 at 3:51 PM
As a woman, who needs a mommy make over (including breast implants), that was funny.
I think its odd she was raised to be against gay marriage but her parents didn’t have the sense to put in her not take essentially topless pictures and instill in her what the Word says about sexual responsibility, respecting one’s body and not compromising one’s modesty.
Magnus on May 16, 2009 at 3:51 PM
In a strange way, Bill Maher really does provide the best proof against the existence of God.
Would an infinitely good and powerful God let bad things happen to good people while allowing a disgusting piece of shit like Maher to live and thrive? The problem of evil…cubed.
packsoldier on May 16, 2009 at 3:53 PM
if he had any stones he would say Obama’s name….but he’s to chicken. doesn’t BHO claim to be a christian? hasn’t he also had implants? is he also not opposed to gay marriage?
what does ann coulter see in this guy?
poppieseeds on May 16, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Because Maher, who looks like a cross between a Leprechaun and a Ferengi, is a pathetic little man who doesn’t have the guts, not that it would take that much. He is probably not so much afraid of Obama as he is of the rich McCarthyite Hollyweird fascist overlords.
And this from the “man” who said to the effect that it didn’t take guts to take on jihadis as they were so lesser armed than American forces.
Such irony, although probably totally lost on him.
MB4 on May 16, 2009 at 3:54 PM
All the piling on on top of Carrie Prejean just makes her hotter and hotter and hotter…
blatantblue on May 16, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Yup.
He said it to get elected.
A true Machiavellian pragmatist.
;)
strangelet on May 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM
Other than for political purposes I doubt the he gives much of a rat’s ass about it that much. To the extent that he does he is probably against it though.
MB4 on May 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM
He may be a “pragmatists” if he runs up against a wall, but he doesn’t have the brain power to be a Machiavelli.
MB4 on May 16, 2009 at 4:00 PM
I’m with ya.
joe_doufu on May 16, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Bill Maher hates women. He even hates liberal women. So conservative women must really piss him off.
Speedwagon82 on May 16, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Sometimes I think that guys like this live in caves. It is as if they think that all conservatives or Christians are Amish. Like they don’t wear make up or drive cars or something.
Quaint. Provincial. Narrow minded. Silly.
Terrye on May 16, 2009 at 4:02 PM
Didn’t watch the video, but did he shout racial slurs at her, physically intimidate her in public, and then threaten to hit her on the head with a hammer?
Oh, I forgot that Maher only does that to his former girlfriends.
ScottMcC on May 16, 2009 at 4:04 PM
strangelet:
Obama is not a pragmatist, he is a liar and a user and you are just enough of a follower to fall for it. If his names was Jim Jones and he told you to drag your kids off to some jungle and poison them…you would compare him to Machiavelli and comply. Pathetic.
The truth is people like you and Maher are tools, and apparently that is fine with you.
Terrye on May 16, 2009 at 4:05 PM
packsoldier at 3:53
In the end he’ll get his just rewards. Justice does exist, even if we can’t see it from this side of death.
justincase on May 16, 2009 at 4:05 PM
Maher is building on his rediculous Religulous.
What a hairball.
Greg Toombs on May 16, 2009 at 4:06 PM
That story is bull. That man obviously could have defended himself against Maher. :)
Magnus on May 16, 2009 at 4:06 PM
I won’t even click on that link.
Just when I think that Maher can’t sink any lower he proves me wrong. Isn’t this the same guy who can’t score with a girl outside of a silicone-stuffed Playboy mansion party?
This man is a jealous, miserable, and bitter POS. His biggest problem is that he can only get attractive women by paying them for lapdances, and a classy lady like Carrie wouldn’t give his ugly puss a second look.
OlympicLeprechaun on May 16, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Let him keep going. Eventually, some , if not most, will come to see thru all this b.s., and that’s exactly what it is. b.s. They think worse of America, and her citizens, then the taliban does. Exceptions, are those who think just like them.
They are showing their true, and hateful colors, and I’m here to say, we have nothing to be ashamed of. I’m proud of my country, the troops, my family, my friends, and everyone here, that feels the same. No more hate. It’s time to show others, how to love, and respect our country. Not to be shamed, into hating it, or ourselves.
Carrie is standing by her opinion, and beliefs, and holding her head high. Keep going, Carrie. You have us behind you, and remember. God doesn’t make bad things happen, but he’s with us, when the bad things do happen.
capejasmine on May 16, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Meh. While Maher’s a clown who puts way too much faith in his own conclusions, i’ll admit ive wondered myself why one can oppose something like gay marriage on christian grounds…but overlook other things entirely, specifically about how they lead their own life. This instance doesn’t illustrate the point all that well, but then again Maher is a clown.
ernesto on May 16, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Ever see A Bug’s Life?
29Victor on May 16, 2009 at 4:07 PM
The big problem I see here is that there is at least two generations in America right now that think nonsense like this is actually news. They either can’t or won’t see this for what it really is. I’m waiting for the day when all these lefty entertainers realize that Obama is coming after there wallets too.
Tommy_G on May 16, 2009 at 4:09 PM
I wont watch it.. he is a godless puke. Can someone photoshop Maher holding one of those Mohammed blasphemy cartoons and email it to all of Al-Quaeda’s known haunts?
Please????
malkinmania on May 16, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Mahar is an obnoxious know-it-all moron. He is in the same category as Colbert and Jon Stewart, but worse.
SC.Charlie on May 16, 2009 at 4:10 PM
What is “News” in relative and its delivery means nothing.
Magnus on May 16, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Carrie walked into the valley
With freedom clutched in her hand
She was only a girl, but she knew
Someone must take a stand
There will always be a valley
Always tyrant’s walls someone must scale
There will always be treacherous waters
Which someone must sail
Fling into battle, with a spring in your feet girl
Never hold back your step for a moment
Never doubt that your courage will grow
Hold your head even higher as against the little tyrants you go
PercyB on May 16, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Bill Maher has been, is, and always will be an assclown comedian who has never been funny one single time in his life.
He is the type of comedian that Denis Leary himself would loathe.
pilamaye on May 16, 2009 at 4:14 PM
oh lord…
Magnus on May 16, 2009 at 4:14 PM
ernesto:
The idea is that we are all sinners, so most people lead their lives as sinners. The idea is whether and how hard you try to do better.
I bet that all those folks out there who worry so much about Miss California would not ever ask the mullahs of Iran how they feel about this. No sirreee. They would not make fun of the Muslims this way either. Something bad might happen to them. Christians are a safe target.
Terrye on May 16, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Meh.
We all know he’d hit it, though.
/justsayin’
bluelightbrigade on May 16, 2009 at 4:15 PM
ernesto, are you ready to throw the first stone? Is Bill Maher qualified? Who IS qualified?
justincase on May 16, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Id say he’s rather hit Barney Frank in a tutu.
malkinmania on May 16, 2009 at 4:17 PM
As always, AP, perfect concept and execution; just enough flare to bite, but subtle enough to make me smile. Well done.
Weight of Glory on May 16, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Bitter leftist punks like him are a dime a dozen. What he has, is HBO giving him a place to vomit up this disgusting nonsense.
Time to boycott HBO perhaps?
Rebar on May 16, 2009 at 4:18 PM
He’s set up shop right next door to his Atheist Gonad
AugmentationImplantation Center.That’s more accurate.
drunyan8315 on May 16, 2009 at 4:18 PM
& so how does having implants not make one a Christian, again?
&& what Neanderthal among us would also deprive a Christian woman of the right to wear make-up…or compete in a beauty pageant?
Of course, Maher is taking a cheap shot NOT at Ms. Cali, but at Christianity (his favorite target).
bluelightbrigade on May 16, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Oh, G-d.
Give it a rest.
Casting stones is what politics is about.
And this has nothing to do with her faith. It has everything to do w/ her politics.
bluelightbrigade on May 16, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Allahpundit: It is not necessary for you to become a “self-hating atheist.” Maher has that covered for you. What is important for people like him to comprehend is that in God’s Wisdom, He is not fooled by “fake” Christians, which seems to be the only people Maher thinks there is.
So as Bill makes “fun” of “pastor-doc” or screams about the scandal in the Church, he and others, fail to see that the Lord prophesied it all 2,000 years ago, only proving Who He really is. We, as people, must take care not to fall prey to the wolves, whether within or without the Church, the Christian community, or the world itself, lest we find ourselves also hearing the verdict:
For today, many work iniquity.
For more proof God is not mocked and knows exactly what is going on in our world today, read about the Church-approved 20th-century Saint who was given the prophetic knowledge of the current scandal and what we could expect after it occurred. She already has been proven right regarding two prophecies that occurred years after she died. http://www.greatspiritualbattle.com/greatest20centuryprophet.html
simeon on May 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Now someone need to do a spoof of this.
“Catholic abortion Clinic” with Pelosi and Biden. And Obama giving a helping hand.
the_nile on May 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Ernesto, the problem I see here is Judgement for thee but not for me.
JustinCase, who are you kidding, everyone on here throw stones everyday, including myself. This very site is proof of it. Carrie is not St. Carrie and cannot be parodied or made fun of.
Magnus on May 16, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Maher would STFU if Christian women just stayed at home and had babies, and never had an opinion about anything.
That’s the point of the PC movement.
bluelightbrigade on May 16, 2009 at 4:23 PM
No. Then he would make fun of them for having babies.
myrenovations on May 16, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Not only a good movie, but that’s an excellent example!
capejasmine on May 16, 2009 at 4:28 PM
I’d like to tie this post by AP and the Headline story about the “mainstreaming of incivility” together with this little bit from the White HOuse:
Finally, there was the conversation weaving between, of all things, Miss California U.S.A. Carrie Prejean, the same-sex marriage opponent who the panel had already mocked at length, and Bo, the Obama family’s Portuguese water dog.
Hardy har har. Classy.
Weight of Glory on May 16, 2009 at 4:29 PM
We appreciate your watching this garbage, Allah, so we don’t have to.
I forgot that O was against gay marriage.
I think that it warrants 40 lashes or beheading in his religion.
I view Maher and Jon Stewart as women trapped in the body of a man.
They live in a world of manicures, pedicures, green rooms, making fun of women, and being vulgar in the presence of women.
I wish that Todd Palin would straighten both of them out.
molonlabe28 on May 16, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Don’t care to watch. Maher is a jumped-the-shark, bitter hateful wretch. And AP, some atheists are hateful and intolerant, others are not. You’re one of the good guys. Oh, and in the latter days, or when the muslims are really on the move, I’d rather have one of you, who gets it, than a whole squadron of mamby-pamby, halffast spit-you-out-of-my-mouth (Biblical, FYI) lukewarm ‘Christians’.
bikermailman on May 16, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Ya, prolly true in his case.
But the point is that people like Maher (liber-nazis) only hate Christianity because it’s a buzz-kill on their charade.
He’s using the hypocrisy meme only to point out that (to him) Christian women aren’t supposed to be anything glamourous.
bluelightbrigade on May 16, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Ooops. The block quote should begin with “Finally”.
Weight of Glory on May 16, 2009 at 4:30 PM
We surely won’t see this, but I’d like to see SNL at least do something on Speaker Granny Botox McDeathrictus and her bububububuh’ing of this week.
bikermailman on May 16, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Has the left gone further to the left, or have they simply gone as low as they can go? There is no bottom for the likes of Maher and the liberal left…..they just keep going lower and lower and lower……
afotia on May 16, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Save me a seat I’m coming too.
Blacksmith8 on May 16, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Reminder:
The LEFT defined topless as absolutely no strings, no sticky attachments, and openly completely exposed full frontal.
When confronted with tasteful provocation, the Left go gagagoo berserk to rape, pillage and plunder. The LEFT produced and published the photos for public consumption without the permission of the model. SHE didn’t publish them out there, though obviously she posed and learned her lesson. Own the camera and the film; rent and frisk the photographer before, during and after the photo shoot to be certain that you are in possession of everything, and require contractual agreement from the photographer prior to anything else.
She IS beautiful and shouldn’t be ashamed of her body or her photos. SHE didn’t broadcast them, and has every right to have gorgeous documentation of just how great she looks for her own use whether for her journal or whatever it was that she wanted. She’s taking the public ridicule without responding with a public tantrum. She’s now proving her own responsible maturity against thorough adversity.
Get off the obsession, pervert.
maverick muse on May 16, 2009 at 4:40 PM
I think casting stones is different than holding up a standard. The left has this idea that if anybody has a standard they have to be perfect or else they’re a hypocrite.
It’s actually the method behind the Cloward-Piven Plan. If anyone stands up for anything, crucify the standard because the people who love it can’t live up to it. It’s a great offensive move, keeping the other side on defense. Never mind that you have to practice deliberate hypocrisy to do it.
The right, OTOH, isn’t likely to crucify Obama, for instance, when he fails to keep his campaign promises, because we prefer hypocrisy to the outright destruction of America that he upheld as the standard. So he said stupid stuff; at least he “repented” (was forced) enough that he didn’t actually DO the stupid stuff.
IOW, the right is out to see the right thing done. The left is out to destroy anybody who stands in the way of their power.
And I do think we need to recognize the technique for what it is. It’s the same thing as threatening an investor over any little error they might drudge up if that investor happens to protest having their assets stolen. The Chicago mob politics of personal destruction is NOT something that goes on at Hot Air regularly.
Whether it’s from a religious bent or a political one doesn’t matter. The goal for the lefties is to destroy people. Steal, kill, and destroy – speaking the native language of lies as you go.
Holding up a standard is a totally different thing.
justincase on May 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Is this the reason for the song, Barack the Magic Negro? He certainly seems pretty magical if he can say the exact same words and not take the scorn Carrie has taken. It isn’t like Carrie is uttering her words with a Coulter-esque tone; she has been very polite and respectful. So what gives? Carrie needs some of that magic pixie dust.
PrincipledPilgrim on May 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM
You joke but when I first heard that story and saw the pic, I said “that’s a man, baby.” Another clue: only transvestites are named “Coco.”
baldilocks on May 16, 2009 at 4:46 PM
I think there are elements of both at work.
ddrintn on May 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Leary though does show some sparks of wit from time to time.
ddrintn on May 16, 2009 at 5:07 PM
So her performance as a Christian, while trying to achieve success as a professional model, isn’t perfect. Of course, there are no perfect Christians, and there are degrees to which different people practice their Christianity. (I have known several Catholic people who never miss mass, but don’t think twice about sex outside of marriage, for example.)
I am all for exercising discernment, but as for offering my opinion of the sin of others, I’ve learned in my own Christian walk that most of the time, I am no better than the person I would be criticizing.
capitalist piglet on May 16, 2009 at 5:08 PM
You know the good Reverend Reprobate Maher just smoked a big fat doobie when he conceives these inane skits… which is why anyone who finds him to be the least bit funny must have just smoked a bit fat doobie themselves just to relate.
SilverStar830 on May 16, 2009 at 5:11 PM
If we had done what Moscow city government did yesterday, we wouldn’t have to listen to pond scum like Perez Hilton. Maybe even Mahar might have second thoughts about opening his spew hole.
platypus on May 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM
You’re comparing apples and oranges. Personal struggle with sin and marriage aren’t equivalent concepts.
capitalist piglet on May 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM
That Miss Cali is SUCH an attention whore, isn’t she? *irony*
ddrintn on May 16, 2009 at 5:14 PM
I guess he’s returning to comedy, since Bea Arthur died and there’s no hope of playing her husband on Maude ever again.
capitalist piglet on May 16, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Only in the United States could a piece of human scum like Maher make a living by spewing the most vile hate imaginable towards one of the largest reigious groups in the world. If this is not “hate speech” there is no such thing. He better hope he’s right and the Christians are wrong. Paschual was asked in 1838 why did he believe in a Supreme Being. He responded, “It better to believe and gain everything than not believe and lose everything..” This is known as Paschual’s Challenge.
volsense on May 16, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Somehow, I don’t think Jeremiah Wright’s church is pro-gay marriage, and it would be truly funny if — despite the left thinking Obama is an intellectual urban sophisticate like they are, who’s just BSing the public on his real position on same-sex marriage — he actually took the teachings of his Chicago church to heart, and shares the same belief on the subject as both Prejean and the great majority of African-American voters in California’s Prop 8 election.
(To see what the reaction would be in the gay community if that turned out to be true, just check out Andrew Sullivan’s post this week on “don’t ask, don’t tell” and multily that by 100.)
jon1979 on May 16, 2009 at 5:24 PM
That ain’t nothin’! Ahmedinijad says there are no gays in Iran. If being gay is all genetics, where did they all go? The libs who seem to embrace radical islam have no idea where that will take them. But those lousy Christians….
Christian Conservative on May 16, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Bill Maher doesn’t like breast implants?
His whole reason for being is screwing silicone enhanced bimbos at the Playboy Mansion. When he ejaculates only silicone comes out!
OxyCon on May 16, 2009 at 5:34 PM
The scumbag Maher needs a decency augmentation.
profitsbeard on May 16, 2009 at 5:46 PM
“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.”
kg598301 on May 16, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Let’s try to keep it at least two motches above DKos, okay?
platypus on May 16, 2009 at 5:52 PM
motches = notches
platypus on May 16, 2009 at 5:53 PM
I must have missed the biblical admonition against breast augmentation. Can anyone help?
The Opinionator on May 16, 2009 at 5:55 PM
It’s right there with the declarative sentence that “all humans are perfect” and “God will give you everything that you want.”
baldilocks on May 16, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Maher’s looks were improved by the wig but how did they keep that cross from setting his shirt on fire and burning his chest?
Sergeant Tim on May 16, 2009 at 6:08 PM
And let us not forget the Book of Numbers:
Vote Democrat; vote often.
Loxodonta on May 16, 2009 at 6:10 PM
Yes, that’s a problem. Many people do pretend that homosexuality is the one unforgivable sin instead of one among many, which is what they claim to believe.
However, I haven’t seen that at play with Carrie here. You can say she’s biblically wrong, but she’s never argued that her interpretation of the Bible should keep her from posing in a bikini or to get a breast implant. She only ever argued that she’s living biblically, but that word obviously means things to different people.
And considering that the standards of decency change drastically over time and in different cultures, it’s not hard to see that a 21-year-old from California might think she isn’t doing anything to violate the Christian command to keep herself from tempting other men into sin by posing in what some have deemed provocative pictures.
Esthier on May 16, 2009 at 6:10 PM
Wanna know why Maher hates attractive women so much? Take a look at that lunar landscape called his facial skin. That loser got shot down more than a box of clay pigeons during his “wonder years”.
Captain Hate on May 16, 2009 at 6:17 PM
No such Christian command.
baldilocks on May 16, 2009 at 6:26 PM
So Maher has something against Christians with breast implants. Wait, doesn’t he hang out at the Playboy Mansion? I don’t think everyone there is atheist/non-practicing.
Erich66 on May 16, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Why does Maher hate attractive women? He actually had a date once, but Perez Hilton stood him up.
volsense on May 16, 2009 at 6:46 PM
Bill Maher stopped being funny and relavent long ago…the last time I actually watched him he was still doing Politically Incorrect on ABC…right about the time he got in hot water for his comments after 9-11
JKotthoff on May 16, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Thanks Baldilocks. I will look it up ;-)
The Opinionator on May 16, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Hi… I’m Bill Maher. I have a tiny dick and I usually have to pay for sex.
D2Boston on May 16, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Question 37: Maher attacks Prejean, instead of Obama who espouses the exact same position, because:
A) He likes to beat up on women.
B) He’s afraid of a tax audit.
C) He knows Obama is a damn liar.
D) It’s got nothing to do with gays or marriage, only power.
E) All of the above.
Socratease on May 16, 2009 at 7:23 PM
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