Video: Maher mocks buxom Christian opponent of gay marriage not named “Barack Obama”
posted at 3:36 pm on May 16, 2009 by Allahpundit
A quickie from last night’s show displaying all the charm and subtlety we’ve come to expect, and surely the first time in his life that he’s had an unkind word to say about breast implants. There’s something cosmically apt about him attacking her: No one in American media better embodies the lefty paradox of libertinism paired with judgmentalism, therefore no one’s better qualified to prosecute her for the left’s capital crime of hypocrisy. And why no similar goof on Obama? I favor Omri Ceren’s explanation from yesterday: “Miss CA is just this week’s Designated Hate Target, so she gets bundled into every leftist joke that requires an ‘insert demeaning reference here’ punchline.” True enough; his audience would have felt let down if he’d ignored her. But there’s a second possibility according to Mark Steyn, one that also explains the left’s different attitudes towards Cheney and Pelosi on torture: Unlike Obama, when Miss California says she’s against gay marriage, she actually means it.
It’s the Miss USA standard of political integrity: Carrie Prejean and Barack Obama have the same publicly stated views on gay marriage. But the politically correct enforcers know that Barack doesn’t mean it, so that’s okay, whereas Carrie does, so that’s a hate crime. In the torture debate, Pelosi is Obama and Dick Cheney is Carrie Prejean. Dick means it, because to him this is an issue of national security. Nancy doesn’t, because to her it’s about the shifting breezes of political viability.
For a movement that professes to care so much about torture and gay rights, they sure are cheap dates for their political leaders. Anyway, enjoy the clip. Just one more baby step towards me becoming a self-hating atheist.
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MAHER YOU ARE AS GOOD A PERSON AS OBAMA .NOW THAT WE KNOW YOUR BOTH JERKS LEAVE THE COUNTRY PLEASE AND TAKE LENIN I MEAN OBAMA WITH YOU.
wade underhile on May 16, 2009 at 7:31 PM
In Luke 17, Jesus says to his disciples “Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come.”
Those who tempt others, he goes on to say would be better off thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck.
Whether she was purposely tempting men by her outfits can be debated. However, leading others into temptation is wrong for Christians.
dedalus on May 16, 2009 at 7:32 PM
It has everything to do with her faith.
That’s not the Conservative Breast Augmentation Center I see in the screen shot.
How can you possibly say it has nothing to do with her faith? Not to pick on you or anything, but that is just such a bizarre statement.
…nothing to do with her faith…
Every single line of attack on her has been about her faith.
reaganaut on May 16, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Indeed.
Secular Muslim Opposes Ghey Maridge: IGNORE
Peep-Show Protestant Opposes Ghey Maridge: RIDICULE
TMK on May 16, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Bill Mar is an irrelevant putz…period, end of discussion.
NY Conservative on May 16, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Unfortunately Gay Marriage and Abortion are the two issues where religion and politics become one.
Magnus on May 16, 2009 at 7:46 PM
The leftist ATTACKS have everything to do with her faith.
But this whole issue has NOTHING really to do with her faith.
It’s all about self-professed icons of “peace”, “tolerance” and “diversity” attempting to destroy a woman just because she has a different opinion than they do.
You see, there are two things her attackers desperately DON’T want you to see, know and think about:
- the whole issue of gay marriage
- how much hatred and anger they (her attackers) have toward anyone and everyone who thinks differently then they do.
They DESPERATELY want the topic of conversation to be about her faith (or, in their eyes, her LACK of faith).
Which is why it is so vitally important that we do NOT engage them on their chosen ground…
…but to continue to point out:
- Christians aren’t perfect, they’re just forgiven
- EVERYONE is a hypocrite, thus being a hypocrite can not void a person’s opinion or ability to stand up in the public eye
- this whole thing is about a question that shouldn’t have been asked by a judge who shouldn’t have been there and one woman’s honest (and pretty tame) reply and how the gay-rights activists are now trying to destroy her
Religious_Zealot on May 16, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Allah, forgiveness is divine. Forgive yourself. You are closer to becoming a Christian than you know.
Why do they fear us so much, Allah? Could there really be a war between good and evil, God and the devil?
Remember this?:
I would rather live my life as if there is a God,
And die to find out there isn’t, than live my life
As if there isn’t, and die to find out there is.
eaglesdontflock on May 16, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Maher is a rodent faced, mean spirited, shallow, faux intellecual wus that would get his ass kicked in most bars between New York and LA. For the life of me, I don’t understand how he has a TV show.
Star20 on May 16, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Intent is the key here. If I leave my window slightly cracked and a thief sees that as an opportunity I don’t think God is going to ask me to account for the thief’s actions.
baldilocks on May 16, 2009 at 9:34 PM
The bible states.
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1. 1 Timothy 2:9
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
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It does not state.
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In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, not with their baby food dispensers exposed.
darktood on May 16, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Are you kidding? Thats a ridiculous analogy. While its true that you are not ultimately responsible for another’s actions, that hardly justifies promoting behavior that could cause others to sin. The same concept is addressed in 1Corinthians 8. You should not do things that could make someone else to offend, even if what your doing is not wrong.
NeverLiberal on May 16, 2009 at 10:02 PM
And Matthew 7:1-3 says:
1″Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
It is not for you to judge, God will handle it.
chalons on May 16, 2009 at 10:08 PM
Whatever.
baldilocks on May 16, 2009 at 10:24 PM
I hold with baldilocks here. Women are told to dress in modest apparel, but that is the extent of their responsiblity. A woman bears no respnsibility at all for a man’s thoughts and/or actions to her, regardless of how she is dressed.
My guide here is from the Sermon on the Mount, Mat 5:27-28:
The person doing the lusting here bears the responsibility for it. I don’t think you can find any case in the Bible where a man’s thoughts or actions are excused because of the way a woman is dressed.
In fact, a good counter-example was David spotting Bathsheba bathing. He bore full responsibility for his adultery.
Do I think Prejean should have been dressed more modestly? Yes. But that’s all. And it’s certainly no excuse to call her a hypocrite.
Obviously, modesty is open to a certain amount of interpretation.
ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on May 16, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Smart way to get back at him. And unsurprisingly, factually false. He’s not the biggest pillar of morality – that’s for sure. But he made several critical comments of breast implants and cosmetic surgery in general. Typically along the lines of sure men want to occasionally f*ck an younger firmer body, and this is what they should do in reality.
radiofreevillage on May 16, 2009 at 11:06 PM
You can, in the koran.
Rebar on May 16, 2009 at 11:08 PM
Maher is disgusting, and so was that “skit” of his. But I can’t defend Prejean. If you expose your naked body at a photo shoot and prance around on-stage half naked at a vanity-fueled beauty pageant, all without either regret or shame for the sin you have committed, you cannot reasonably expect to “stand up for God” without others calling you out on your hypocrisy.
It’s just too bad all we’re getting in this whole “debate” is hate-filled partisan drivel and hypocritical hypocrisy charges from the left, and nothing but blind, uncritical excuse-making on the right.
2Brave2Bscared on May 17, 2009 at 1:06 AM
Twist not the Scripture lest you be like Satan. That passage does not mean what you think it means. If it did, you yourself would be guilty for judging those to whom you judged needed to hear from that passage of Scripture.
Matthew 7:1-3 speaks against hypocritical and self-righteous judging, not judging itself. In fact, God commands his people to judge with righteousness.
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.” Matthew 7:15-19
“Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” – John 7:24
2Brave2Bscared on May 17, 2009 at 1:19 AM
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Not to mention self-righteousness.
baldilocks on May 17, 2009 at 1:47 AM
Maher looks like Bill Clinton in that screencap. Just saying.
fiatboomer on May 17, 2009 at 2:03 AM
The only thing I’ve ever liked by Bill Maher was Religulous. I loved it when Hitchens flipped off Maher’s audience.
Maher is no reason to become a self-hating atheist Allah. On the other side of the religion coin is Fred Phelps and Osama Bin Laden. We’re still in better company.
deewhybee on May 17, 2009 at 2:20 AM
You got one huge problem there, partner, neither one of those persons you named are in any way shape or form to be considered Christian in the biblical sense.
I say, biblical sense, because there are many who claim to be Christians, but are not. The Bible lays out the requirements for being a child of the Living God, not man.
Bill Maher; Christopher Hitchens; Richard Dawkins, Allahpundit, and you, are, by your own definition “atheists.”
Joe Pyne on May 17, 2009 at 3:55 AM
Atheism is a rejection of ALL religion. Not just Christianity. Osama Bin Laden is a radical Islamist, which is a Abrahamic religion. Fred Phelps would argue he is more of a Christian than anyone else.
And who is really a Christian in a “biblical sense” (there are dozens of versions of the bible and hundreds of different type of Christians) is relative to the type of bible and the one interpreting it.
Magnus on May 17, 2009 at 8:55 AM
It’s just silly that we see time and time on this website the idea that Obama has the same ideas about gay marriage as Prejean. And it’s not silly, it’s also leads some peole to seriously misunderstand their opposition, which is bad for political dialog. In the first place, most people understand Obama’s “opposition” to gay marriage is political expedience at a time when public views on gay marriage are rapidly changing. What gay supporters of Obama want from him is for him to stay out of gay marriage and for favorable Supreme Court justices. The rational Obama voters who strongly favor gay marriage wouldn’t want Obama to support gay marriage to the point where it causes him political difficulties. Obama’s personal stance on the subject makes no difference. While I doubt the over all rationality of supporting Obama, most people who voted for Obama and strongly want gay marriage are very rational this way.
Of course, if we were all rational, gay marriage would not be on the top ten list of important issue, whether we oppose it or support it.
thuja on May 17, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Which is all I was saying, actually. Yes, women shouldn’t dress in such a way as to tell a man her body’s available, as that will tempt a man to lust (going off both the verses where Paul talks about refraining even from activity that isn’t otherwise sinful, except that it tempts others, and verses that deal with lust); however, I do think there’s a legitimate argument to be made about whether or not that is her intention.
Christianity isn’t legalistic. My interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount is that your heart is most important in deciding whether you’ve sinned, not your outward actions. If you do the right thing for the wrong reason, it’s still a sin. I believe the opposite is also true, but only you and God can know the reason you do a certain thing.
Esthier on May 17, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Allahpundit, you do know that the One-World Government will be bringing a One-World Religion too don’t you?
They see Christians and atheists as enemies. So while you’re catching wood bashing Christians and Palin, the globalists are planning your elimination.
Silly little rat-faced git.
ex-Democrat on May 17, 2009 at 11:34 AM
I had not seen the photo’s up until this weekend and they were a lot tamer than I thought they would be based on the uproar.
Do I think they are an appropriate standard for a Christian?
Personally, no. But I also understand that modesty is kind of a grey area for many, because it’s not explicitly designated that “thou shalt only show 2 inches above the knee.” etc. I think she should have handled it differently when the photos came out, if she does regret them. But I fail to see how this makes her any more or less Christian than me, my church friends, or any other Christian who readily admits that the struggle against sin is a daily battle.
And it’s so clear that this is just another opportunity for the left to bash Christianity any way it can. She insulted the sacred belief in gay marriage, so they will seek any way to shame her and dig up dirt. Maher would probably be horrified to meet some of the Christians who were converted through a prison ministry. The Christian-bashers do not understand Christianity at all. That much is clear.
BakerAllie on May 17, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Atheism is a religion which rejects ALL other religions. FIFY.
ex-Democrat on May 17, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Many of them understand it completely, they just reject it. Just in the same way I understand Islam very much so and completely reject it. And if Islams most loud mouthed followers weren’t people who blow up children and cut people’s heads off and it was truly a religion of “peace” I’d still reject it. Because it is false.
Christopher Hitchens is a very smart man. He knows all about Christianity but choose to reject it based on the fact he THINKS it is false.
Magnus on May 17, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Uncouth and ugly. Demeaning and ignorant. Fitting description of Maher the comedian, even if he isn’t very funny at all. He reminds me of a vampire trying to suck the life out of everything and everyone he touches.
elclynn on May 17, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Well at the risk of sounding like a lib– and since the subject is surgery to change body contours, I wonder if Maher has ever considered nose reduction techiques?
jeanie on May 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Y-not on May 16
Unless no such documentation exists.
Has anyone produced a medical record to support this boob job claim?
Has anyone produced a receipt to support this boob job claim?
Who made this accusation? Shanna Moakler
And what happened to her? forced to resign (FIRED!)
As to her “medical records”.
California already HAS computerized systems. Is this what Obama and the Dems hope to use the system for?
To dig up “dirt” on their paranoid delusional enemy list?
As anyone who has ever used a computer knows if you can “access the records” you can alter, delete, edit, change, or add to the record.
We already know Team Obama has done this before, just look up “Joe the Plumber”
Oh my lookie here!
“Axelrod dumps on Miss California”
Guess my question was rhetorical after all, shame.
Will anyone in the MSM grow a pair and ask Obama about this?
Or are they already Cowing cowards, Boneless Wonders?
DSchoen on May 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Yep, just like the idiots believed him on
FICA
Gitmo
Military Tribunals
Transparency
Taxes
Spending
Iraq
A-stan
And on and on.
Since they still voted for him and still support him guess they truly are “useful Idiots”
DSchoen on May 17, 2009 at 3:53 PM
So many lies, and downright ignorance here, it’s hard to know where to start -
1) Fred Phelps is about as much a Christian as Ayahtollah Komenini. People can say all sorts of idiotic things, but that doesn’t change the fact that they’re mentally unstable. Just because someone says they’re a phone book doesn’t make it credible.
2) Islam is in no way shape or form an “Abrahamic” religion. Where on earth did you go to school? I’ve studied Old Testament history for the past 20 years and have never heard anything so ignorant in my life.
3) Dozens of “versions” of the Bible, meaning what? The Bible was written primarily in Hebrew and Greek, all english translations (not paraphrases) are based on the original scriptures. Differing versions of a translation mean nothing. It’s just differing ways of translating certain words. The meaning does not change.
Christopher Hitchens got his clock cleaned by William Lane Craig a month ago, read the transcript over at Biola’s website. There are hundreds of solid Christian apologetic websites all over the internet, and many of them take on the same old tired atheist drivel over and over. Same argument, but different procedure in stating the argument.
Atheism is nothing more than an excuse used by fools to ignore the reality of the Living God. There are no atheists, just haters of God.
Want to see atheists get taken to the cleaners on a regular basis, go to triablogue.com. It is embarrassing how truly ignorant they are of the fact that every argument they bring forth has already been answered.
Joe Pyne on May 17, 2009 at 6:58 PM
1. And because you say YOUR a Christian doesn’t make it so either. It’s relative.
2. Islam is an Abrahamic religion. Because that upsets you doesn’t mean it isn’t true. Christianity, Judiasm, and Islam (additionally Bahai and Samaritan to some)are all Abrahamic religions.
3. Translations = Version(Ala “King James Version. New International Version. American Standard Version). Some saying the KJV is the most pure of the message and Jehovah’s Witness version being totally corrupt.
I can’t argue for Atheist in totality because I am a Christian. But it is not unfathomable to me that people exist that will knowingly reject Christ and the Word.
Magnus on May 17, 2009 at 7:44 PM
Magnus, you said the following above:
If you were a Christian, in the only sense in which the word finds meaning – the Bible, then you would never say what you wrote.
So, either you are incredibly ignorant, or confused, or a cultist, or all three. In any case, you need some serious instruction on true Christianity, from the Bible.
Joe Pyne on May 17, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Are you self-righteously judging me? Tsk tsk.
2Brave2Bscared on May 18, 2009 at 1:41 AM
Yes. Magnus doesn’t sound like a Christian at all. He sounds like a post-modern inclusivist.
Even Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins have their gods. They worship science and they worship self, among other things. There are no true atheists. There are just those who believe in the one true Christian God, and those who worship false idols.
2Brave2Bscared on May 18, 2009 at 1:48 AM
I cannot stand this man. ugh
becki51758 on May 18, 2009 at 7:58 AM
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