Shock: Huntsman quits as Utah gov to be Obama’s ambassador to China; Update: I couldn’t say no, says Huntsman

posted at 9:45 am on May 16, 2009 by Allahpundit

And to think, some people accuse centrist Republicans of being Democrats in disguise.

The move is freighted with political intrigue. Huntsman, who speaks fluent Mandarin Chinese, quickly emerged after November as one of the leading moderate GOP voices…

Huntsman, who met with Obama’s transition team to discuss energy policy, was in Washington on Friday night, ahead of a planned Saturday announcement by the White House, The Salt Lake Tribune reported. Several Utah news organizations said the governor will resign and accept the appointment.

Huntsman, 49, served a Mormon mission in Taiwan. The governor and his wife, Mary Kaye, adopted a daughter, Gracie Mei, from China in 1999. In 2006, he led a trade mission to China “because of their prominence on the world stage and the way in which they are growing so rapidly,” he told the Deseret Morning News of Salt Lake City.

So much for the great moderate hope in 2012. What’s his angle here? Three possibilities: (a) Despite all appearances, he was never thinking of running for president. (b) He was thinking of running, but he’s enough of a patriot that he couldn’t say no when the president called on him. (c) He was aiming at 2016 all along and this is actually a brilliant move to burnish his bipartisan cred and his foreign-policy gravitas in advance, especially insofar as it makes him a player with a rising superpower like China. My only question is, how does he get back on the national stage after he’s done as ambassador? He could run against Utah’s lone Democratic congressman, I guess, but that’s not much of a perch from which to launch a presidential bid. Bob Bennett is 76 years old, but his Senate seat’s up next year; even if he’s planning to retire, Huntsman’s not going to quit Team Barry so soon to run for it. I can only assume he’s eyeing Orrin Hatch’s seat, which is up in 2012. Hatch will be 78 at the time, which isn’t old for a Senator but isn’t young either. If he does run for another term, though, then Huntsman’s frozen out. Maybe his interest in China is such that he simply couldn’t turn down the opportunity, whatever it might mean for his future ambitions.

Needless to say, in coopting a potential rival, it’s a typically cagey move by The One.

Update: To expand on that last thought, I don’t think anyone on Obama’s team considered Huntsman a serious threat to beat him in 2012 but they’re obviously keen for the public to perceive the GOP as “far right.” Hence their obsession with Rush. Huntsman was a threat to that strategy so they needed to get him off the national stage and as far away as possible. Mission accomplished.

Update: Tapper’s got terrific background on Huntsman’s relationships with the White House and with China. The money quote from this morning’s announcement:

Huntsman today said he “never expected” as national co-chair of John McCain’s presidential campaign to be standing there. But when the president asks for service, he said, “that to me is the end of the conversation.” Huntsman said first in Mandarin, then English, a Chinese saying: “Together we work. Together we progress.”

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This is absolutely meaningless to the GOP’s 2012 prospects.

But according to grows fin this absolutely ripping the GOP apart? Do you mean grows fin is misleading us! The humanity!

terryannonline on May 16, 2009 at 12:09 PM

terryannonline on May 16, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Why should he start now?

Evidently Grow Fins has been told that if she comments on a thread enough times, she will turn Conservatives into Liberals while cutting them down at the same time.

kingsjester on May 16, 2009 at 12:09 PM

To expand on that last thought, I don’t think anyone on Obama’s team considered Huntsman a serious threat to beat him in 2012 but they’re obviously keen for the public to perceive the GOP as “far right.” Hence their obsession with Rush. Huntsman was a threat to that strategy so they needed to get him off the national stage and as far away as possible. Mission accomplished.

I dunno Dude. He even knows who this guy is? Nobody, that’s who. All Obama did was raise his profile.

TheBigOldDog on May 16, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Well then why don’t you write something interesting we can respond to?

O.K. One point for Obama for getting yet another GOP moderate to join his team. Another point for it being a well-qualified appointment. Another point for it showing the Chinese that our policy towards them isn’t just coming from one party. That’s a score.

starfleet_dude on May 16, 2009 at 12:12 PM

BuckeyeSam

We both obviously have far too much time on our hands. Out into the garden for me.

Grow Fins on May 16, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Guy Nobody’s Heard of to Serve Post Nobody Cares About

Jim Treacher on May 16, 2009 at 12:13 PM

terryannonline on May 16, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Egomania is boundless.

Loxodonta on May 16, 2009 at 12:14 PM

They do now. One basket isn’t the whole game, but it’s still a score, and this one’s a three-pointer.

starfleet_dude on May 16, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Again, ridiculous. This may mean something to a small group of people who read blogs, but not to anyone else. Keep trying, though. With enough spin, you might get 20 or 30 actual voters to care who Obama appointed as ambassador to China, and another 10 or 20 who care that it was some guy from Utah. Wishing it mattered won’t make it so. Simply ridiculous.

Exit question: Why are the MSM and dems so desperate for an Obama “win” that they’re latching onto this pitiful little story? Says a lot more about them, I think, than the state of the GOP.

Rational Thought on May 16, 2009 at 12:15 PM

as long as the Chinese keep buying US bonds.

Wethal on May 16, 2009 at 11:10 AM

I can’t even guess what is Huntsman’s motivation, but you’re right, this is Obama’s reason for tapping him. He’s gonna be pivotal in convincing China to continue to buy our debt so Obama can force his new foundation for America down out throats. Health Care Reform Bill by July 31st!

Texas Gal on May 16, 2009 at 12:17 PM

He’s gonna be pivotal in convincing China to continue to buy our debt

The Precedent doesn’t care if China continues to buy our debt, or not. He just wants to kill the US.

so Obama can force his new foundation for America down out throats. Health Care Reform Bill by July 31st!

Texas Gal on May 16, 2009 at 12:17 PM

He is forcing the US into oblivion through his massive spending. Don’t think that The Precedent cares about turning us socialist, or anything. He doesn’t. All The Precedent wants is to exact revenge on whites in the US and the West. Nothing else. If he accumulates power and is able to turn the US in the meantime, that’s gravy to him, but the destruction of the US and confiscation of our wealth is his only real aim.

progressoverpeace on May 16, 2009 at 12:20 PM

It all works out. The whites who voted for The Precedent want to be killed. BHO was their ultimate act of penitence to cleanse themselves of the illusory guilt that constantly haunts them.
progressoverpeace on May 16, 2009 at 11:33 AM

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Such guilty will never really go away. It is an illusion as you correctly point out, but the illusion will continue to pop up whenever the puppeteer pulls the “white guilt” string. The programming is too deep, and the payoff to those who play the race card is too great to let it go easily.
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RalphyBoy on May 16, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Guy Nobody’s Heard of to Serve Post Nobody Cares About

Jim Treacher on May 16, 2009 at 12:13 PM

But Treacher we are supposed to be hopelessly crying over Boring Guy Nobody’s Heard and it is dividing us, don’t ya know? I will be yelling tonight in my heartache “MY PARTY HAS LEFT” because some guy who I have no idea what he believes got called to China! I just can’t believe this is happening! HOW DARE YOU ACCEPT THIS POSITION GOVERNOR of…..

What state is a Governor from again?

terryannonline on May 16, 2009 at 12:23 PM

People think The Precedent is getting eeryone ready for higher taxes with his amazingly odd declaration of the unsustainability of his fiscal policy. I don’t think so. I think he’s getting ready for WEALTH CONFISCATION. Just watch.

The Traitor-in-Chief is just getting started at destroying our nation. A fast start, for sure, but just a start.

progressoverpeace on May 16, 2009 at 11:30 AM

I think you are right about this. I think they are looking at everyone’s IRA’s, 401K’s, and SEP’s, and see a lot of money that hasn’t been taxed yet and its time to go get it.

cjs1943 on May 16, 2009 at 12:23 PM

RalphyBoy on May 16, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Very true. That’s why their emotional handicap will remain a danger to the rest of us.

progressoverpeace on May 16, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Rather liberal with the insults there. And I thought it was the elitist liberals who looked down on the electorate? It was the same “not very smart” electorate who voted for Bush twice.

Grow Fins on May 16, 2009 at 11:07 AM

I think it’s more laziness than innate stupidity.

ddrintn on May 16, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Guy Nobody’s Heard of to Serve Post Nobody Cares About

Jim Treacher on May 16, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Thread Winner!!!

I hope he enjoys the pollution.

Knucklehead on May 16, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Huntsman said first in Mandarin, then English, a Chinese saying: “Together we work. Together we progress.”

Is that from Mao’s Little Red Book?

Buy Danish on May 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Personally, my take is….

He jumped at the opportunity to go to China. He doesn’t want to be around, to see his country dessimated. China is more free market, and capitalist, then the U.S. is going to be, in six months.

capejasmine on May 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Yes you are. Have you even been paying attention to any of the news out of the GOP lately? Get real.

Grow Fins on May 16, 2009 at 10:34 AM

I’ve also seen how upset the fringe (aka Obama’s base) is with Obama over continuing Bush policies.

ddrintn on May 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM

cjs1943 on May 16, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Yep. People have to keep in mind that The Precedent talks about “spreading the wealth“, not “spreading the income”. He is going to claim that the situation, now that he has spent so much money and saddled the US with so many continuing obligations, is so dire that income alone will not be able to cover it. If he doesn’t get his hands on the wealth, he’ll just let the dollar implode and go for martial law. This is how these things go.

progressoverpeace on May 16, 2009 at 12:28 PM

I am for waterboarding but against torture. I consider myself a person who is reasonable and without extreme views, a moderate but also a conservative. I think the people who are swing voters are easily led because they don’t pay any attention to this stuff until the election and then they believe all of the BS the media puts out and votes accordingly.

Conservatives wil always have an uphill battle until they get more voices in the media.

Vince on May

Stop buying into the leftists view that “conservative” = “extreme”. It doesn’t. That you are OK with waterboarding is not extreme, it is actually mainstream. But the left and the media label it conservative extremism. You seem to think you have to call yourself a moderate so you won’t be labeled “extreme right wing”. Don’t bother. Any position you take to the right of the state approved position puts you in the extremist camp as far as they are concerned. You can’t win. Just hold to your ideals and tell them to piss off.
BTW, can you name a conservative who is for “torture”? I can’t.
Finally, just because a battle is uphill, it doesn’t make it not worth fighting. Hang in there. We will win eventually. I just don’t know what the country will look like when we do.

SKYFOX on May 16, 2009 at 12:33 PM

It will be interesting to note in time the affect China has on Huntsman, and in turn the affect that Huntsman will have on the modern evolution of Mormonism.

Following WWI, from Imperial China before the Communist revolution Hermann Hesse reflected his China experience in his “Remembrances of Asia”(1914) below.

Hesse was absolutely overwhelmed by the religious spirit of the peasants whom he admired as if their big brother. Given the peasant’s century now vs. then as communists, if indeed their nature is vulnerable to spiritual exploitation, the coincidence of Obama inserting Marksman into China at this moment is not to be overlooked, but noted for later recall and comparison on the mutual affects each has and cumulative effect.

[Hesse] said that from the start the culture of China had made a lasting impression on him. He felt a deep affinity, but it was also mixed with a “feeling of competition and danger”. He advised Western readers to regard China as an “equal competitor who can become both friend or enemy, who can be enormously useful or dangerous”.
His attitude towards the primitive people was completely different. He likes them at once but compares his love to a love felt by adults towards weaker and younger brothers and sisters, mixed with a feeling of guilt of a European who knows, that Europe has reacted as a thief, a conqueror and exploiter towards these people.
© Günter Baumann and HHP, Nov 2002, 2-10
Hermann Hesse and India
By Günter Baumann (English by Regina Baumann)

maverick muse on May 16, 2009 at 12:35 PM

… Another point for it showing the Chinese that our policy towards them isn’t just coming from one party. That’s a score.

starfleet_dude on May 16, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Unlike the democrats, republicans don’t actively try to undermine foreign policy when the other power has the white house, so that wasn’t really needed.

I do guess one coup is that Huntsman might have done a lot of fundraising for repubs across the country if he was running for pres in the future.

BuzzCrutcher on May 16, 2009 at 12:36 PM

“Together we work. Together we progress.”

Is that from Mao’s Little Red Book?

Buy Danish on May 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Imagine me and you, I do
I think about you day and night, it’s only right
To think about Obama love, and hold him tight
So happy together

If you should call me up, invest a dime
Go to China you tell me, and ease my mind
Imagine how the world could be, so very fine
So happy together

I can’t see me loving nobody but you
For all my life
When you’re with me
Baby the skies’ll be blue
For all my life

O ba ma ba ma, O ba ma ba ma, O ba ma ba ma …

Loxodonta on May 16, 2009 at 12:39 PM

My reaction to Obama’s campaign manager when he said this was “What the hell is talking about? Who’s Huntsman?” But at least I now know why he said that.

terryannonline on May 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM

I think you are right about this. I think they are looking at everyone’s IRA’s, 401K’s, and SEP’s, and see a lot of money that hasn’t been taxed yet and its time to go get it.

cjs1943 on May 16, 2009 at 12:23 PM

There are several untapped sources of wealth he wants. One is non-profits, and he tried to go after them by reducing the charitable donation deduction in the tax code. Didn’t work. But he’ll be back. He’d like to get more out of inheritance tax, too, but that would affect small businesses, including those of the rising black middle class.

Another is all those retirement accounts. Before the elections a Harvard economist was speaking to a bunch of House Dems on a new idea for a retirement plan. Instead of all the 401(k)s, IRAs, SEPs, there would be a government administered retirement plan that would guarantee 5% rate of return. (Invested in Treasuries, like Social Security, perhaps?)

When you died, half of it would go to your designated heirs.
Yes, the other half, you ask…..

Wethal on May 16, 2009 at 12:41 PM

If he doesn’t get his hands on the wealth, he’ll just let the dollar implode and go for martial law. This is how these things go.

progressoverpeace on May 16, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Agree.

cjs1943 on May 16, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Loxodonta on May 16, 2009 at 12:39 PM

my favorite from jr.high shall rise again

maverick muse on May 16, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Russian czars used to send people who were clearly threats to their power into exile in some cold spots in Siberia or the Arctic.

And ambassadorship used to be of great benefit in times past, when heads of state didn’t have the resources to go on trips around the world to talk to other heads of state. Nowadays, an ambassadorship is a mere formality. Heads of state can make the negotiations directly, without the intervention of ambassadors, who know today what’s actually on their job description – one third protocol, one third alcohol, one third Geritol.

newton on May 16, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Another point for it showing the Chinese that our policy towards them isn’t just coming from one party. That’s a score.

starfleet_dude on May 16, 2009 at 12:12 PM

I give the Chinese enough credit to understand American politics and that one person does not a party make. The Chinese diplomats (and spies) keep them informed of the developments and nuances.

Wethal on May 16, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Wethal on May 16, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Yes, there was talk about that.

When Social Security goes broke (soon), what happens to all of the people who are totally dependent on it? When families are our of work, can they take care of their parents and grandparents? This is scary stuff.

cjs1943 on May 16, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Over 300 comments about a non-entity taking a job as an ambassador?

::Y A W N ::

Must be a troll in here…

reaganaut on May 16, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Hatch will be 78 at the time, which isn’t old for a Senator but isn’t young either.

I wouldn’t let a 78 year old drive my truck, let alone run the country / write laws.

Talk about out of touch with young Americans….

omnipotent on May 16, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Huntsman said first in Mandarin, then English, a Chinese saying: “Together we work. Together we progress.”

Is this guy going to put on one of those mandarin collar Confuscius robes like Bush did the last time he visited China?

Is it better to be governor of a small yet foolish State or to be servant to the master of a large ambitious Kingdom? – saying by Confused-us 2009AD

entagor on May 16, 2009 at 12:49 PM

To expand on that last thought, I don’t think anyone on Obama’s team considered Huntsman a serious threat to beat him in 2012 but they’re obviously keen for the public to perceive the GOP as “far right.” Hence their obsession with Rush. Huntsman was a threat to that strategy so they needed to get him off the national stage and as far away as possible. Mission accomplished.

Come on. Like there aren’t more moderate Republicans out there that are adored by the public. I seem to recall past attempts to paint the GOP as far right and to paint Limbaugh as Satan. The more things change…

ddrintn on May 16, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Revolution

maverick muse on May 16, 2009 at 12:51 PM

^ Now if Obama can just find Cabinet or diplomatic slots for Snowe and Collins the destruction of the GOP will be complete. Muwhahahahaha.

ddrintn on May 16, 2009 at 12:52 PM

my favorite from jr.high shall rise again

maverick muse on May 16, 2009 at 12:43 PM

NO!!!!

Loxodonta on May 16, 2009 at 12:54 PM

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it’s evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don’t you know that you can count me out
Don’t you know it’s gonna be all right
Don’t you know it’s gonna be all right
Don’t you know it’s gonna be all right
Ah

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We’d all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We’re doing what we can
But when you want money
For people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don’t you know it’s gonna be all right
Don’t you know it’s gonna be all right
Don’t you know it’s gonna be all right
Ah

You say you’ll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it’s the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain’t going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don’t you know it’s gonna be all right
Don’t you know it’s gonna be all right
Don’t you know it’s gonna be all right
Ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah
All right, all right, all right
All right, all right, all right
All right, all right, all right
Ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah
All right, all right!

John Lennon

smarter than the average bear

maverick muse on May 16, 2009 at 12:58 PM

ddrintn on May 16, 2009 at 12:52 PM

with surgical precision

maverick muse on May 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM

entagor on May 16, 2009 at 12:49 PM

better to rule in hell than serve in heaven?

maverick muse on May 16, 2009 at 1:01 PM

You people are hilarious…seriously. Hilarious. You are so bound up in black-hole partisanship you cannot see the clearest facts when presented.

Let me present some facts to you. Your messiah, Obama, wasn’t practicing “unbound white-hole bi-partisanship” but raw “black-hole partisanship” when he decided to gift Chrysler to his friends at the UAW. And when he killed the voucher program for poor kids in DC he wasn’t thinking of “what’s good for the children”, he was thinking of “what’s good for the democrat party”. And the NEA is good for the democrat party.

1. Huntsman is obviously made for this job, and will do it for the right reasons. Yes, he may be taken from the Prez run for now, but he is also demonstrating what y’all forget – it is ’service’ to the country that matters, not narrow, self-serving politics.

I don’t have a clue who this man Huntsman is or what he stands for, but your nonsense about “service”, please! Give me a break! Suddenly libs are all about service? For the last eight years libs have been ripping the noble men and women who are making the ultimate sacrifice to “serve” this country. Libs have called them murderers, torturers and are hell bent on hauling them away in chains to “serve” time in prison. Just this past week Nancy Pelosi (now backed up by most dems in congress) accused the CIA of lying to her. Libs all gong-ho to “serve” the country? Don’t make me laugh.

2. RINO’s and all other non-slavering, non hard-core idiots understand that the GOP is a political party, not a religious movement. You don’t have power by becoming small and irrelevant to the rest of the country. Y’all are members of the real RINO’s – Republican Idiot Nano-sized Organization.
trailboss on May 16, 2009 at 10:51 AM

And what a typical lib ending. Name calling and personal attacks. You guys never disappoint.

RMR on May 16, 2009 at 1:03 PM

“Together we work. Together we progress.”

Together we go under.

Schadenfreude on May 16, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Needless to say, in coopting a potential rival, it’s a typically cagey move by The One.

He tried to do the same with the Secretary of Commerce post, only to have an embarrassing retreat by Judd. GOP affiliation aside, it seems like Barry’s choice for this ambassadorship actually had merit on the merits alone – clearly the guy is deeply knowledgeable about the country, its culture, its politics, and the fact that he’s fluent in Mandarin doesn’t hurt either.

redfoxbluestate on May 16, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Y’all are members of the real RINO’s – Republican Idiot Nano-sized Organization.
trailboss on May 16, 2009 at 10:51 AM

You are, with certainty, without a shred of doubt, one of the dumbest automated trolls on HA. Your brain is thinner than the skin a snake just shed.

Schadenfreude on May 16, 2009 at 1:16 PM

He may be made for the job, but I’m guessing he doesn’t like governing.

Too much work. He’s not the “workhorse” kind of politician that I personally think we desperately need.

AnninCA on May 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM

who?

Ampersand on May 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM

So we need some one to the left of John McCain as our canidate in 2012

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight

karasoth on May 16, 2009 at 1:47 PM

I can’t even guess what is Huntsman’s motivation,

Texas Gal on May 16, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Whose? Obama’s or Huntsman’s?

I can take a stab at both:

Obama: Wants someone who won’t have issues w/taxes or scandals and figures that Huntsman is a safe bet, which it probably is. He needs to make sure someone buys our treasury bills but MORE IMPORTANTLY they don’t sell the ones they’ve got, or cause trouble when hyper inflation stirs the Chinese into a ruckus.

Huntsman: He might be thinking he’s serving our president but I doubt that. He’s probably thinking more about the country as a whole, but I also bet he’s trying to be a good representative of the Mormon Church, who has been trying for ages to get into China. He could become a factor in that.

That and it would be a very good thing (for us and for China, me being Mormon myself) that we do get into China. They could use the help too.

Chaz706 on May 16, 2009 at 1:49 PM

One more comment for the thread:

He’d make a great Ambassador, but I don’t think he’d do as well as president.

Chaz706 on May 16, 2009 at 1:55 PM

I can’t even guess what is Huntsman’s motivation,

it’s called putting country before politics.

Grow Fins on May 16, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Good bye and don’t come back. He was horrible as a governer. A real rino who never worked a day in his life, lived off of daddy’s money.

potent50 on May 16, 2009 at 2:04 PM

If Obama wants to impress the nation of his bi-partisan chops he should nominate a conservative justice to the Supreme court. That would bi-partisanship I could get behind. Next weekend no one will even remember who Huntsman is or what he was nominated to.

Kjeil on May 16, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Needless to say, in coopting a potential rival, it’s a typically cagey move by The One.

Update: To expand on that last thought, I don’t think anyone on Obama’s team considered Huntsman a serious threat to beat him in 2012 but they’re obviously keen for the public to perceive the GOP as “far right.” Hence their obsession with Rush. Huntsman was a threat to that strategy so they needed to get him off the national stage and as far away as possible. Mission accomplished.

My husband and I suspect that this part is accurate, but we also think that this could backfire on the Dems in the long run. After all, there are many conservatives who believe that moderates need to be “purged” from the Republican party, or at least from its higher ranks. The theory (as we all know) goes that these moderates make Republicans into Democrat-lite, and why would anyone vote for the imitation when they could have the real thing? So the task for Republicans is to differentiate themselves as much as possible from the liberal Democrats now running Washington. In an effort to remove what they view as a potential threat or roadblock, Obama and his team have just helped conservatives remove another high-profile moderate, whom a lot of us think was contributing to the Republican party’s Multiple Personality Disorder. I applaud Mr. Huntsman for his service, and bid him good day. Next contestant, please.

Animator Girl on May 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM

O.K. One point for Obama for getting yet another GOP moderate to join his team. Another point for it being a well-qualified appointment. Another point for it showing the Chinese that our policy towards them isn’t just coming from one party. That’s a score.

starfleet_dude on May 16, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Wow. Thanks for putting the country ahead of the ‘party’ for once. A lot of these comments are disgusting – the Chinese Ambassadorship is not important? Christ …

A Axe on May 16, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Adolf Hitler also asked for service.

Ryan Gandy on May 16, 2009 at 2:17 PM

I only gone through the first 200 posts, so if this is a repeated thought, I apologize…

First my disclaimers…I am a Mormon. I do not like Jon Huntsman, he is too liberal.
However, being a Mormon, I have some understanding of Mormon culture. Jon served his mission in Taiwan, which means he learned to love and cherish the people there as family.
Being a Mormon, we are also taught to respect the President and rule of law…the Boy Scouts are integral in the youth program of the Church.
The Huntsman family are known to be quite charitable and full of grace…they aren’t political calculators. They try to do what they think is best. I disagree with Jon’s politics…but he is a man of honor. He is doing this not based on calculations of 2012, rather he is doing it out of respect for the President, and because he loves the people of China.
I think there is a lesson here for even the hard core conservatives such as myself…Glenn Beck is right…the parties will destroy us, we need to do the right thing not do things because its good politics.

Conservative Voice on May 16, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Ryan Gandy on May 16, 2009 at 2:17 PM

If I were a German citizen, and Hitler asked me to go to war, I would defend and honor my country. If he were to ask me to kill the Jews, I would do everything I could to save as many lives of my fellow Germans as I could.
Obama is a socialist like Hitler, but that is where it ends.

Conservative Voice on May 16, 2009 at 2:20 PM

This is absolutely meaningless to the GOP’s 2012 prospects.

But according to grows fin this absolutely ripping the GOP apart? Do you mean grows fin is misleading us! The humanity!

terryannonline on May 16, 2009 at 12:09 PM

I agree.
Palin is running in 2012. The base is going to cram her down the collective throat of the RNC and the conservative leadership.
Just watch.
It is going to take another righteous kerbstomping at the polls before the base will be able to give up on her.

strangelet on May 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM

I can’t even guess what is Huntsman’s motivation,

it’s called putting country before politics.

Grow Fins on May 16, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Awwww…just like the Democrats over the past 8 years. Heart-warming, ain’t it

ddrintn on May 16, 2009 at 2:36 PM

It is going to take another righteous kerbstomping at the polls before the base will be able to give up on her.

strangelet on May 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Sorry, but it’s squishies who get “kerbstomped”.

ddrintn on May 16, 2009 at 2:38 PM

I’ve also seen how upset the fringe (aka Obama’s base) is with Obama over continuing Bush policies.

ddrintn on May 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Obviously no systems gurus here.
It isn’t “continuing Bush’s policies” it is called graceful degradation of service.
Just part of O’s continuing effort to get us out of the GW clusterfuck hole the GOP dug for us. Sad for you that GW’s fuckup has given O both the power and the opportunity to create a permanent liberal majority under the opening wedge of bailing the country out.
I for one welcome Our New Liberal Overloards.
;)

strangelet on May 16, 2009 at 2:40 PM

It isn’t “continuing Bush’s policies” it is called graceful degradation of service.
Just part of O’s continuing effort to get us out of the GW clusterfuck hole the GOP dug for us. Sad for you that GW’s fuckup has given O both the power and the opportunity to create a permanent liberal majority under the opening wedge of bailing the country out.
I for one welcome Our New Liberal Overloards.
;)

strangelet on May 16, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Ohhhhh, the rationalizations fly thick and fast. LOL It’s going to look like McSame to voters, if it doesn’t end in outright defeat. Which is still quite possible.

ddrintn on May 16, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Like Spectre, one less RINO.

Christian Conservative on May 16, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Sad for you that GW’s fuckup has given O both the power and the opportunity to create a permanent liberal majority under the opening wedge of bailing the country out.

By the way, there’s one wee little problem you conveniently overlook: it has to work.

ddrintn on May 16, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Sounds like HRC. And Rahm Emanuel. Obama has a knack for giving people what they can’t say no to in order to get them out of the way. HRC may soon learn that biting into the apple proved the undoing of her political dreams; Huntsman the same. Rahm Emanuel is silenced on the Israel-Palestinian issue. And Obama gets the obstacles to his agenda and his second term out of his way.

Halli Casser-Jayne
author, A YEAR IN MY PAJAMAS WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA, The Politics of Strange Bedfellows.

The CJ Political Report on May 16, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Sorry, but working for this treasonous Precedent is not good for the country, in any way. That said, anyone who would work for the Traitor-in-Chief is best exposed for what he is.

progressoverpeace on May 16, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Sorry but I must disagree. Sometimes the country does come first. It is the nation and the office, not the man. If you were asked to perform a job by Obama, whom I loathe, because you were well qualified for the job and it would benefit the nation would you turn him down? Huntsman may think he is the best person for the job and that he will be able to exert influence in this role. Time will tell. If it turns out that Obama wants a republican puppet, he can always resign. But I say that he is a much better pick than we could expect from a democrat president who has shown himself to be out of his depth on foreign policy.

The Opinionator on May 16, 2009 at 2:50 PM

I for one welcome Our New Liberal Overloards.
;)

strangelet on May 16, 2009 at 2:40 PM

says a man who obviously doesn’t have a large 401K or pays taxes.

Conservative Voice on May 16, 2009 at 2:50 PM

For the record all Obama did was show Huntsman as the squish he is. The man is a walking contradiction and I’m glad he joined team Barry because it should reduce the chances of him being our nominee.

Mormon Doc on May 16, 2009 at 3:05 PM

I for one welcome Our New Liberal Overloards.
;)

strangelet on May 16, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Yep all those liberal socialist countries have it so much better than us.

Moron.

daesleeper on May 16, 2009 at 3:07 PM

I for one welcome Our New Liberal Overloards.
;)
strangelet on May 16, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Ms. Classical education – Is that how Chaucer spelled “overlord” or something? Or are you using the Urban Dictionary’s definition?:

One who is willing to go the distance and have intimate relations with an abnormally large, homely woman in order to further his friend(s) chances with her better looking female accomplice.

Buy Danish on May 16, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Sorry but I must disagree. Sometimes the country does come first.

Of course the nation comes first. The problem is that this administration is working hard to destroy this nation. Working for them is NOT putting the nation first. It is aiding and abetting the destruction of the US.

It is the nation and the office, not the man. If you were asked to perform a job by Obama, whom I loathe, because you were well qualified for the job and it would benefit the nation would you turn him down?

Yes, I would turn it down in a second. Helping The Precedent hurts the nation. Providing him cover for anything does the US no good, as it releases him to further pursue his destructive policies.

Huntsman may think he is the best person for the job and that he will be able to exert influence in this role.

Exert influence on The Precedent? I don’t think so. Name one person who has done such. The Precedent has been moving a mile a minute in his strategy to drive the US into oblivion. I don’t see anyone who has had the effect of stopping this insanity, except those who remain outside of his control and fight against him.

Time will tell. If it turns out that Obama wants a republican puppet, he can always resign. But I say that he is a much better pick than we could expect from a democrat president who has shown himself to be out of his depth on foreign policy.

The Opinionator on May 16, 2009 at 2:50 PM

I don’t see how the pick for ambassador to China would have any great effect. He’s not going to affect US fiscal policy and he’s certainly not going to affect our monetary policy. All he can do in that position is help to sell The Precedent’s policies, which are destructive to our nation – as they are designed to be.

Now, if you think that he might help by undermining The Precedent’s policies, then that is one thing, but I highly doubt we’re going to see anything of the sort, even if it were possible from the ambassador’s position.

What do you think Huntsman could possibly do to help the US (not to help The Precedent, but to help the US) as ambassador to China?

progressoverpeace on May 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM

“I couldn’t say no.”

Translation:

My testicles appear to have been lost in the laundry.
NO, wait! I forgot, I’m a MODERATE. I’ve never HAD testicles. Never mind.

oldleprechaun on May 16, 2009 at 3:25 PM

I would like to learn more about this guy
http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/14/obama-republican-party-baby-boomer-opinions-columnists-mitch-daniels.html

Conservative Voice on May 16, 2009 at 3:25 PM

For the record all Obama did was show Huntsman as the squish he is. The man is a walking contradiction and I’m glad he joined team Barry because it should reduce the chances of him being our nominee.

Mormon Doc on May 16, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Well said. Huntsman is now dead as GOP nominee material. The pet goat of the RINO crowd has been sent to China, never to be seen or heard from again.

Norwegian on May 16, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Evidently Grow Fins has been told that if she comments on a thread enough times, she will turn Conservatives into Liberals while cutting them down at the same time.

kingsjester on May 16, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Interesting tidbit: “Fins” means “Acne” in Swedish. “Grow Fins” is a appropriate nickname for this clown.

Norwegian on May 16, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Too much money to be made.

danking70 on May 16, 2009 at 3:32 PM

By the way, there’s one wee little problem you conveniently overlook: it has to work.

ddrintn on May 16, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Nope…just part of it has to work.
;)
Say…while the RNC is officially changing the name of the democrats to the Democratic Socialist Party, how bout chu change the GOP’s name to be the Whig party?
hahahaha

strangelet on May 16, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Interesting tidbit: “Fins” means “Acne” in Swedish. “Grow Fins” is a appropriate nickname for this clown.

Norwegian on May 16, 2009 at 3:32 PM

No it doesn’t. Fins means “is found” in Swedish.

strangelet on May 16, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Nope…just part of it has to work.
;)
strangelet on May 16, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Lemme guess: The 85% if us who have health care get screwed, while the 15% who don’t win the lottery.

Buy Danish on May 16, 2009 at 3:45 PM

No it doesn’t. Fins means “is found” in Swedish.

strangelet on May 16, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Sorry, but it does. Är du svensk? Kolla här:

http://www.netdoktor.se/hud-har/?_PageId=483

“Fins” which is the term we use in Värmland, or “Finnar” in official Swedish.

Norwegian on May 16, 2009 at 3:48 PM

strangelet on May 16, 2009 at 3:41 PM

curious, what about the whigs do you disagree with? Abe Lincoln was a Whig.

Conservative Voice on May 16, 2009 at 3:59 PM

We both obviously have far too much time on our hands. Out into the garden for me.

Grow Fins on May 16, 2009 at 12:12 PM

I was astounded at your unrelenting spin about a sensible appointment of a nobody, so I drew a big red circle around your role as a troll.

BuckeyeSam on May 16, 2009 at 4:03 PM

I for one welcome Our New Liberal Overloards.
;)

strangelet on May 16, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Ms. Classical education – Is that how Chaucer spelled “overlord” or something? Or are you using the Urban Dictionary’s definition?:

Buy Danish on May 16, 2009 at 3:11 PM

BD, you of all contributors, here, know that Ms. strangelet is not very bright.

Schadenfreude on May 16, 2009 at 4:06 PM

BD, you of all contributors, here, know that Ms. strangelet is not very bright.

Schadenfreude on May 16, 2009 at 4:06 PM

That’s the point.

Buy Danish on May 16, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Interesting analysis here – It’s about Romney.

Buy Danish on May 16, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Bok Choi.

bluelightbrigade on May 16, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Interesting analysis here – It’s about Romney.

Buy Danish on May 16, 2009 at 4:18 PM

How could any active Mormon vote for Obama? This is a question I ask myself daily! HE’s the antithesis of any sort of principle (if this hasn’t been proven by now it never could be) or any sort of just government.

But yet they vote for him.

This is nuts. Totally and Completely F’ed up.

Chaz706 on May 16, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Isn’t an ambassadorship a usually non political position? Its not like the ranks of the Democratic Party are filled with fluent Chinese speaking white guys. It doesn’t mean Huntsman is now an Obamabot.

Speedwagon82 on May 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Didn’t Mitt have a Mormon problem (who knows why) Would he have a better change? And anyway – it makes him a better candidate in 2016. Just because he decided to go to China doesn’t mean he drank the koolaid.

marnes on May 16, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Didn’t Mitt have a Mormon problem (who knows why) Would he have a better chance? And anyway – it makes him a better candidate in 2016. Just because he decided to go to China doesn’t mean he drank the koolaid.

marnes on May 16, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Nope…just part of it has to work.
;)
Say…while the RNC is officially changing the name of the democrats to the Democratic Socialist Party, how bout chu change the GOP’s name to be the Whig party?
hahahaha

strangelet on May 16, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Nope, the Democrats are victimized by their promises. And after they’re through, it won’t matter what the alternative calls itself.

;)

ddrintn on May 16, 2009 at 5:01 PM

I’m sorry, I was trying to figure out why we were all looking for a moderate Republican in 2012?? I’m confused.

JellyToast on May 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Isn’t ambassador to somewhere or other much more important than being Governor of a State? Hey wait, I don’t think so …

My guess is the progressive knows his limitations …

tarpon on May 16, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Isn’t ambassador to somewhere or other much more important than being Governor of a State? Hey wait, I don’t think so …

My guess is the progressive knows his limitations …

tarpon on May 16, 2009 at 5:14 PM

The ambassador to China is a very important job, and I wish Gov Huntsman the best. I don’t intend to trash the man; I don’t know enough about him anyway.

ddrintn on May 16, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Good experience for any likely future leader. You would almost think this stuff is pre-ordained.

pc on May 16, 2009 at 5:21 PM

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