Obama: Let’s work together to destroy American health care by year’s end
posted at 2:40 pm on May 16, 2009 by Allahpundit
This week’s communique from Olympus. Of all the examples of Obama Newspeak, none is more golden than the idea that deficit spending will become unsustainable unless we start nationalizing health care. They’re already struggling to figure out how to pay for it, the public’s already starting to recoil from big spending and bigger government, and yet it’s full speed ahead on, ahem, reform. Like the man said: “I won.”
And by the way, if you object to any of this, you’re a hatemongering “swiftboater.” Just so you know.
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We do not even come close to having the healthiest population, unrepentent.
In fact, our ratings are embarrassingly low. We in the third world tier.
AnninCA on May 16, 2009 at 2:49 PM
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Sorry Annin. It’s yet another liberal lie about life expectency and our ranking in the world. Get your facts right.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:zz81bhgZVRIJ:www.reason.com/news/show/127038.html+US+healthcare+%22life+expectancy%22+liberal+lie&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
marklmail on May 16, 2009 at 3:50 PM
I was going to ask that too, but it seems a simple Yes/No question is too tough for AnninCA so didn’t bother.
Good luck on getting a specific answer.
DarkCurrent on May 16, 2009 at 3:51 PM
And those of us who have loved ones with disabilities, especially intellectual disabilities, women whose testing shows their unborn children to carry the risk of defect, anyone not in a preferred political interest group and anyone deemed to bring insufficient financial value to the community. It will be eugenics under the guise of cost-effectiveness.
The Dutch already have a policy of “involuntary” euthanasia. For the time being, the US still calls that murder.
obladioblada on May 16, 2009 at 3:51 PM
We are individually responsible for our health. Americans have health problems because of our American lifestyle. Sugar, sugar, and more sugar. Cigarettes, chewing tobacco, donuts, twinkies, sedentary habits, refusal to exercise. The list is endless. The bottom line is, we are what we eat. If it’s in our bodies, WE ATE IT. And that’s 100% personal choice. We live in a chemicalized society, one we didn’t have 40-50 years ago. There are ways to detox on a regular basis but that takes effort. We, as a population, are painfully (literally) ignorant of the effects of what we so casually put in our mouths. Or expose ourselves to. Yes, occupations require exposure to stuff, but that can be offset by protective measures. No, life ain’t perfect. Obviously. But the responsibility remains on each of us. Look at your own shopping cart. Look at the shopping carts of others. Junk may be cheap to eat but it also kills, over time. Why do you think we have such high incidents of diabetes? Alzheimers? Didn’t have that 50 years ago. They’re preventable. But it takes personal effort and education. The answers are out there. We have to take the effort to find them and apply them in our personal lives. The government can’t run itself. Why should you think it can run health care? Get a clue, folks. It ain’t the govmints responsibility. Don’t make it so. There are NO recommendations to go the way of Canada or the UK or anywhere else that has socialized medicine. Socialism and socialized medicine are NOT compatible with America. We’ve been warned. Many times… Ok, let the hateful comments begin…
Roger Brown on May 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM
The high-option plans with Health Savings Accounts are brilliant. I had one in my last job and I loved it. My premiums went from over $400 a month to less than $100. I put $200 a month into my HSA. My total monthly out of pocket costs thus actually went down. I had a $5000 deductible, but the HSA reimbursed for everything, including over-the-counter meds and office visits. I had a knee injury that ended up costing me about $2500. I paid for it all myself because I could afford it.
This is the way to go. Make people save their own money for small-ticket expenses, pay low premiums for the insurance, and then the insurance kicks in once the expenses get to $5000 (this could be adjusted for lower earners with slightly higher premiums.)
rockmom on May 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM
As I recently posted, I’m 63 years old. Under Obamacare, a visit to my doctor will go like this:
“Old Leprechaun, I’m SO SORRY your have “x” medical problem. A few years ago treatment would have been complicated, although usually 95% successful. And you paid those premiums to Blue Cross so you’d have good coverage, and your portion of the cost would have been affordable. But with Obamacare, all the complexities have been removed! So go home, take two aspirin, and put your affairs in order. You gonna die. Oh, and if/when the pain is more than you can bear, call the office. We can give you morphine. Just be careful not to overdose, that could kill you!(wink, wink)”
The biggest problem in the United States of America are stupid voters. That’s what’s destroying this nation.
As I’ve said before, Hitler’s T-4 program is Obama’s vision of “health Care”.
oldleprechaun on May 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Enough is enough. It is past time for Congress to stand up to this usurper of power and destroyer of our economic future. His lies are so far from believable that if it weren’t so goddamn sad and infuriating, it would be hilarious.
Surely even the Democrats must be realizing by now that Obama’s economic policies are a prescription for disaster on an unprecedented scale.
We are living in bizarro world.
hillbillyjim on May 16, 2009 at 3:53 PM
My wife was also treated for cancer 7 years ago. Thankfully it was while we were in the US with private health insurance. In any of the other countries we’ve lived in I doubt she would have survived.
DarkCurrent on May 16, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Obama: Hurry and pass my healthcare plan so I can payback GE (parent company of NBC) by putting them in charge of your digital medical records. Hurry! GE is already running their commericals…
TN Mom on May 16, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Typical Oboingo non sequitur. Similar to “my uncle spent 99 years in the attic after liberating Buchenwald by himself, and that proves why we need more money for veterans.”
Oops, gotta go: my toilet is leaking and that proves I have to go pump up my tires.
mr.blacksheep on May 16, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Survival rate for Prostate Cancer in Europe is 45%. The USA is 89%!
Canada has a term ‘Medical Toursim’ due to so many Canadians coming to the USA to avoid long wait lines for their Gov’ment controlled healthcare.
TN Mom on May 16, 2009 at 4:00 PM
This has little/nothing to do with health care, and everything to do with individual rights to govern themselves.
If we go this route, we’ll have the National Health (where the commoners go), and the private-pay, for those who want treatment when they need it.
We’re foolish to follow Canada’s and Britain’s lead.
bluelightbrigade on May 16, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Obama’s focus is on cost, not care.
Person A: Poor grandmother passed away today.
Person B: OMG, that’s so sad. What did she die from?
Person A: She had a common cold.
TN Mom on May 16, 2009 at 4:11 PM
It’s bizarre. In my local paper, the Cincinnati Enquirer, in each of the past two days, there has been some liberal twat from an affluent part of town swearing by British health-care system after living one year and a few years under it.
Nothing is more exasperating than morons.
BuckeyeSam on May 16, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Again, where is the repub alternative plan that is fiscally prudent with less government intrusion?
patrick neid on May 16, 2009 at 4:18 PM
This dummy really believes this crap about clean energy and nationalized health care being the keys to economic greatness. I’m sure in its moronic history, the Soviet Union made equally ridiculous claims.
The legacy of Obama will be the end of the U.S. auto industry and rationed health care. I would mention the debt, but Bush opened this door and Obama strutted through. No, this Lefty’s legacy will be clown cars and a rise in exotic diseases.
EMD on May 16, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Let’s not forget what Government has done to Medicare, and social security.
Let’s also not forget, GE, msnbc, and nbc stand to make billions from this coming debacle.
God Bless you Poppieseeds. I’ll pray that the cancer never returns!
capejasmine on May 16, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Go to sleep little Barackito and don’t you cry
Maybe while in slumber you will dream of another part of the Constitution to fry
If Rush should still be on the air when you wake
Maybe little Rahm will think of a way for his life or at least his license to take
If that don’t put your mind at ease
Think of how much your new health care system will Dr Kevorkian please
MB4 on May 16, 2009 at 4:19 PM
The media are derelict in not reporting this. I hate those in the media. At least a solid minority of the media should have the country’s back. I hope they suffer kidney failure because Obama’s health-care program will simply wave goodbye to their sorry a**es.
BuckeyeSam on May 16, 2009 at 4:20 PM
MB4 on May 16, 2009 at 4:21 PM
So while we’re trying to reduce costs, who’s talking to the patients and health care providers who have been responsible for claims tagged with fraud and abuse? If 40-50% percent of all Medicare/Medicaid claims are fraudulent how is asking a doctor or hospital to charge less, going to reduce costs. The problem of fraud still exists.
pjean on May 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM
If they are affluent, they are probably recieving a better level of care. Government mandated health care, doesn’t mean everyone gets equal care. If you know someone, your treatment is going to be above the standard level everyone else recieves.
Look at Congress, with their specialty care. Do you think they’ll put themselves into the mix of government mandated care? No way. They have it good, they know it, and will fight to keep it! If this goes thru, I say we start a campaign to force them to go on it with the rest of us. If it’s going to be so d@mn great, then they won’t mind at all!
capejasmine on May 16, 2009 at 4:23 PM
If they suffer kidney failure will will just take a good one from one of you many rightwing enemies of the state that will be in our reeducation
stalagsenlightenment centersDasObamaReich on May 16, 2009 at 4:25 PM
to rockmom who said that a health savings account is the way to go:
you & i would save under it because we are smart enough to do so. the welfare folks (and don’t whine that they can’t afford to because i see them buying drugs on the corner) won’t save the money. so we’ll still have to support them. and their children by 3 or 4 different fathers who are in jail. other than buying drugs, having children & going to jail, what are these people doing?
sorry, that’s a rant for another thread.
kelley in virginia on May 16, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Private insurance
DarkCurrent on May 16, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Laying a new foundation..for serfdom.
The TOTUS POTUS is a POS getting us in DS.
Western_Civ on May 16, 2009 at 4:27 PM
It is not just about the quality the care we’ll be able to get.
With national ObamaCare government and other people will have the right to tell us what to eat, how to eat it, how to live and how to reproduce.
myrenovations on May 16, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Alternative for what? The major problems with health care are medicare and medicaid, not the health care system, in general.
The problems with the general system have more to do with tort costs and the federal courts’ determinations that people must be treated even if they have no health insurance, even if they are illegals who have no right in this country, at all.
Further, the federal government has NO BUSINESS messing around in health care, at all.
We live in a union of sovereign states, not a unitary super-state. But the liberal mind is unable to grasp that simple fact.
progressoverpeace on May 16, 2009 at 4:31 PM
i just want the govt out of my life. and that being said, i am damned tired of paying for the govt to get into everyone else’s life, too.
kelley in virginia on May 16, 2009 at 4:32 PM
I heard someone say canadian doctors often maintain a US residence so they can be sure their own families can get good healthcare.
peacenprosperity on May 16, 2009 at 4:34 PM
McCain was too anemic a candidate to explain it.
Eliminate the like between employment and healthcare by eliminating the World War II era income exclusion for employer-provided healthcare. Then, everyone will be responsible for his or her own health care. Once everyone is on the same level, offer a generous credit to pay for individual health insurance. A robust market in individual policies will help drive down or level off insurance. It would also solve the portability problem.
I’m not sure I’ve ever hear it proposed, but states require a minimum amount of liability coverage to obtain a driver’s license, why not such a requirement for health insurance? What’s more important? Insurance or a flat-screen TV for a dumpy apartment.
I don’t hear Obama screaming for medical malpractice reform. Med mal premiums are driving qualified docs out of practice. And med school is so expensive, what incentive do newer docs have with sharply decreasing fees?
This is a freight-train coming at us, and Obama is merely suggesting that we pay a ton of money to rearrange the deck chairs.
This is what we get for electing a guy who didn’t know the benefit of an interest-bearing checking account until 2005. He hasn’t got an ounce of economic sense.
BuckeyeSam on May 16, 2009 at 4:39 PM
“We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,” Obama said. “That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen,” he added.
The capital flew into a bit of a tizzy when, on his first full day in the White House, President Obama was photographed in the Oval Office without his suit jacket. There was, however, a logical explanation: Mr. Obama, who hates the cold, had cranked up the thermostat.
“He’s from Hawaii, O.K.?” said Mr. Obama’s senior adviser, David Axelrod, who occupies the small but strategically located office next door to his boss. “He likes it warm. You could grow orchids in there.”
“I won,” -Hussein Obooba.
Akzed on May 16, 2009 at 4:45 PM
TODAY is US Armed Forces Day, May 16th.
maverick muse on May 16, 2009 at 4:46 PM
The Communist-in-Chief has revealed his economic naivete on many occasions. I’m no Milton Friedman, but even I know he’s astonishingly ignorant of even basic economic principles, based upon his public statements. I guess Economics isn’t part of an Ivy-League law degree, or if it is, maybe he failed it.
Now, where are those transcripts?
mr.blacksheep on May 16, 2009 at 4:53 PM
We must lead.
We must succumb.
Comprehensive Reform based upon false premise and false figures, whether on immigration or health care omits Obama’s promised line by line review of what WORKS vs. what fails or what requires further DEBT!
Obama just invited Pelosi to tell him what to do. Damn, she already wrote the Porkulous legislation voted into law. She already tranced through MidEast holding head of state private meetings against the Executive Bush Presidency. She is a proven liar and proven threat to our national security. And Obama is counting on her still, against the state of our nation.
maverick muse on May 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Imagine your local DMV in charge of your health care.
Dhuka on May 16, 2009 at 4:58 PM
I can live with that.
ladyingray on May 16, 2009 at 5:02 PM
I CAMPAIGNED FOR THE CONSTITUTION, FISCAL CONSERVATISM AND VOTED AGAINST THE FASCIST OBAMA.
Some people were inconvenienced and stayed home aloof, waiting for utopia to open their door, or licking their wounds for not getting the candidate of choice on the ballot.
(I’m still for primary campaign ballot vote on a national primary day; possibly run-offs. The Primary system TOTALLY sucks.)
A lot of people voted for Obama to be IN on cool Marxism.
LAME is saying that elections have consequences. Nothing like presuming the obvious as a revelation.
maverick muse on May 16, 2009 at 5:03 PM
When you have to wait 6 weeks for emergency open heart surgery, get back to me.
It happened in Canada.
ladyingray on May 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM
The President clearly knows what he wants to achieve. My question is what does he know and understand about economics.
I’ve been trained at one of the better schools in the subject and hard as try, I cannot for the life of me understand how he expects a good outcome from what he’s doing. I fear he’s smart as a fox, and dumb as a dishrag.
jdflorida on May 16, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Buckeye Sam:
It is also true that this is the country of innovation in health care and everyone has to pay for that. The new treatments, surgeries etc, all costs money.
Tort reform can help, but the truth is health care has outpaced inflation for years now. It is not just the government involvement or even the malpractice, a lot of doctors are making a lot of money in spite of that malpractice insurance. Health care is a booming business.
A generation ago a great many of the treatments we see today did not exist.
Terrye on May 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM
we have one doctor in the family, but he is a rehab doctor. i don’t know how that will help with an infectious disease or open wound, but he probably knows all the body parts. and we have an orthodontist in the family, too, so hopefully he can remember how to pull a tooth if need be. i just hope these guys escape from the economic “rapture” with all their good drugs.
kelley in virginia on May 16, 2009 at 5:13 PM
unfortunately, my family is chock-full of lawyers. they’ll be really helpful when we have to go to survival mode. (snort!) but, they know the constitution so that’s good.
my brother is ret’d army. he is an asset.
kelley in virginia on May 16, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Let me try!
“The best way we can shrink government is by expanding it!”
“We will save Americans money by raising their taxes!”
“Government control of health care will free doctors from the burdens and regulations of the market.”
“Our goal is not to mandate choices but to simply have more control over the entire health care process.”
“Health care services will expand for
pheasantsAmericans as we ration more.”“Freedom is precious. That is why it needs to be carefully controlled.” (Actually, I think some commie said that somewhere,,, but I could see a Dem saying that).
JellyToast on May 16, 2009 at 5:22 PM
Obama : I’ve always believed that it is better to talk tnan not to talk.
The only truthful statement from this speech.
Loxodonta on May 16, 2009 at 5:28 PM
Obama SAYS his focus is on cost…..
It’s all BS….
His focus is on all those votes that him & the dems
will get. Don’t believe anything Obama says.
izoneguy on May 16, 2009 at 5:32 PM
It will only be a matter of time before they come for our food production and distribution. This is something I have had in the back of my mind. I heard some commie lib somewhere late last year talk about how “food for profit” has failed. Then I found this article:http://www.devp.org/devpme/eng/advocacy/doc/DPFood.pdf
JellyToast on May 16, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Depends upon, to employ a cliche, “what the meaning of good is”. If your goal is to bring the last remaining old-era superpower to its knees, then the prescription is right on the money. I’m just hoping for (and somewhat optimistic about) an unintended consequence that will change things for the better.
mr.blacksheep on May 16, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Well, I guess I’m gonna have to get a bumber sticker that says “I’m a hatemongering swiftboater” then. Nothing and I mean NOTHING flairs my temper more that the thought of some bunch of worthless lawyers dictating how I and my doctor are going to handle MY healtcare. May God bring disaster upon those who want to take away my rights and destroy my country. I’ve had enough of this crap.
boomer on May 16, 2009 at 5:47 PM
B. Hussein Obama has adopted the Mugabe version of national finance: just print larger denomination bills and all will be well with this pseudo problem called “inflation”.
The bailouts have diverted natural selection in the capitalist financial industry. The entire rotten structure should have been allowed to die by suicide at the hands of the financial perpetrators. The bailouts are simply validating that the financial industry was simply blindsided. They were blindsided by their own greed.
Now, in a nation with too few physicians to handle both the aged and the newly borne, Hussein wants to do something with health care today that will require almost 20 years to accomplish: make more physicians, make more registered nurses, and let both gain the experience necessary to be trustworthy.
Oh, and by the way, he will cap the income of physicians, disallowing any practicing physician from investing in ancillary medical services. This is OK since the new physicians will be working for slave wages anyway! This will drive the best and brightest of high school and college graduates away from medicine and into the arms of something that pays better.
The something that pays better, when all is said and done, will be garbage pickup as a member of the SEIU, or as cabbies.
Hussein must be a student of Marx, and that is why he has prevented any disclosure of his academic records and of his academic papers.
Quaoar on May 16, 2009 at 5:56 PM
How about some Tort Reform???
Hello John Edwards…..
BigWyo on May 16, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Hey Barry! FUCK YOU!
GarandFan on May 16, 2009 at 6:11 PM
If the government nationalizes our health care system, this country is toast.
-Dave
Dave R. on May 16, 2009 at 6:11 PM
The simple reason for the need for speed is to get this done before too many more Americans catch on. That rationale in and of itself is shameful and not at all indicative of a representative government. That the government has to fool us to enact legislation is simply disgusting authoritarianism. And the complicity of the MSM is bordering on criminal.I’m all for freedom of the press but shouldn’t we draw the line where free press becomes propaganda reminiscent of Pravda?
DerKrieger on May 16, 2009 at 6:11 PM
The individual is the most often overlooked minority by both parties.
No one is more of a minority than a single person standing alone.
Outside of this thread, does anyone remember the T-4 programs? What about the Eugenics programs over here in the US? If a society doesn’t protect it’s weak, then what moral high ground can we possibly hope to claim?
Chaz706 on May 16, 2009 at 6:22 PM
I am an engineer who has researched energy conversion for 30 years. I can tell you that the transformation of the US dependency on oil and coal will take upwards of 30-50 years, and perhaps longer. Hussein is either ignorant or lying out his presidential ass that he can do anything meaningful for energy independence in one or two terms in office.
Hussein knows that a huge part of healthcare costs are incurred by the aged in the process of their dying. His statement about rejecting the practices of the past are targetted on the aged. His healthcare plan will involve letting the aged die without treatment. This plan could be very deep: suspending payment for Alzheimers, M.S., joint replacements, oxygen support, heart surgeries for those over a given age, and a whole raft of medical procedures for the aged. “Just let them die” is the mantra of Hussein’s health care reform program.
The next part of his plan will be to eliminate, or regulate, care for premature babies. Premies are very expensive, and we pay for their treatment through health insurance or Medicade, currently. The reason that we pay for their treatment is because we, as a nation, value new life, and we know that premies will grow up to be valuable human beings, and that they are human beings in the first place.
Hussein will support letting premies die on the cold weight scale (or, require physicians to scramble their brains – executing them, as in ‘partial-birth abortion)), and requiring the parents to “just get over it, you can have another baby.”. This practice will raise the mostly apolitical physician population to radicalism for requiring of them to commit governmental murder of premies, and nurses will simply refuse to support the murder of infants, both finding better paying jobs with the SEIU garbage pickup companies.
No good is going to come of an emergency health care reform process that is going to be finished in six weeks. Hussein’s program must have been finished and polished prior to his election to have even a chance of being passed by his Congress.
Quaoar on May 16, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Surely even the Democrats must be realizing by now that Obama’s economic policies are a prescription for disaster on an unprecedented scale.
…
hillbillyjim
They. Don’t. Care.
He is cementing their power base for the next 50 years (they believe) so the destruction of the economy and health care are a small price to pay for that. Yes, they are that vile and despicable.
SKYFOX on May 16, 2009 at 6:35 PM
It is already starting. My facility changed our medical insurance this month and now all emps have to have a “biomed” assessment done. Even spouses if covered under the emps policy. Coverage is based on results…your sick? No insurance for you baby!
Talked to a woman today that works for county….they are are now charged $15.00 extra a paycheck if they smoke. They had to blow into a machine when the new insurance took over and if they want to not get charged they have to quit and it takes 3 months for a “clean” test. But, the insurance will not pay for presciption medicine to possibly help the person quit.
As it is now, Medicaid recipients pay a small co-pay ($5.00). They dont pay it. Especially the girl who came into the emergency room for a broken acrylic nail and wanted the rest taken off! No joke. It would have cost her $25-30 at the solon but she came to the emergency room and got it done for free. No, an emergency room cannot turn away people. It’s insane now, wait till Obamacare. I cannot believe its going to happen.
Coastal Paradise on May 16, 2009 at 6:36 PM
I went into a local small business recently, where the proprietor was on the phone on hold with a government agency. She begged my forgiveness and forbearance as she put the phone on speaker while she helped me. She explained that she had been on this call for over an hour, transferred from department to department and repeatedly put on hold. She didn’t want to let the call go and have to start all over. I told her I understood and didn’t mind. She finished our transaction, complaining bitterly about the stupidity, discourtesy, and inefficiency of government agencies. I took my change and laughed, saying, “Yeah, I agree. Can you believe that so many people want the government to be in charge of our health care? This is what it would be like to get a simple blood test approved!” She stopped dead, glared at me, and said, “Well, now, health care would be different. I’m sure they wouldn’t do this kind of thing with our health care.” I raised an eyebrow and asked, “Have you ever conducted business of any kind with any government agency that wasn’t a thoroughly unpleasant, time-wasting, gigantic pain in the ass?” She couldn’t answer, so I just smiled, told her I hoped her day got better, and left.
aero on May 16, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Blacksheep — Obama’s been good so far at getting massive, unsustainable spending approved.
My point is that his taking advantage of the current economic crisis to pass all this spending is going to blow up in his face. How smart is that. He either is not aware of the economic consequences of his actions or possibly he just doesn’t care. The guy is a thin-skinned, megalomaniac. I’m not sure there’s enough depth of character for the creep to feel shame for what he’s doing to this country. He’s young enough to live his life out in disgrace once Americans figure out what he’s done, but then disgrace never bothered Jimmy Carter much.
jdflorida on May 16, 2009 at 6:43 PM
forgot one note. Most commercial medical insurance companies called are located in india. Wonder where the 1 plan phone bank is?
Coastal Paradise on May 16, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Yay! Just what I wanted … rationed third world quality health care delivered by foreign doctors! The foreign doctors follow once the system becomes too unprofitable for Americans, given the high cost of education. Not to say that Indian doctors aren’t talented, but it would be nice if we had a system that didn’t make American doctors & nurses into an endangered species.
Stickeehands on May 16, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Barry says: “You first.”
Western_Civ on May 16, 2009 at 7:24 PM
“Veer off”? Meaning you’re a lifetime conservative but just “concerned and disillusioned” in regards to health care and just happen to find that Obama’s plan is the path to salvation?
I detect the whiff of astroturf.
evergreen on May 16, 2009 at 7:39 PM
The problems with the general system have more to do with tort costs and the federal courts’ determinations that people must be treated even if they have no health insurance, even if they are illegals who have no right in this country, at all.
Further, the federal government has NO BUSINESS messing around in health care, at all.
We live in a union of sovereign states, not a unitary super-state. But the liberal mind is unable to grasp that simple fact.
progressoverpeace on May 16, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Nice Summation!
GunRunner on May 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM
Just some random thoughts on this…
- I love my HSA! I think Health Savings Accounts may have been Bush’s greatest legacy.
- British chum of mine recently pissed a very large amount of blood. Called doc, couldn’t see a specialist for 4 weeks! Used his private insurance and got in in 3 days. Turned out wasn’t prostate cancer, but a busted blood vessel. But can you imagine the anxiety waiting for 4 weeks?
- Insurance/healthcare should not be tied to employment. Period. Thacker is absolutely right. There are plenty of affordable plans out there. People just don’t realize that they can get them outside of their employment.
JAM on May 16, 2009 at 8:28 PM
Excellent points.
The Republicans need to get some Blue Dogs on board and extend the HSA concept into full-fledged Medical Individual Retirement Accounts.
ColtsFan on May 16, 2009 at 9:59 PM
May nObama encounter a non-revivable medical emergency.
dmann on May 16, 2009 at 10:17 PM
You just don’t give them enough credit…
ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on May 16, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Actually, this wouldn’t be newspeak. “Overseas Contingency Operations” instead of “wars” is Newspeak. This, rather, would be a case of doublethink–the ability to believe two completely contradictory ideas simultaneously, without being bothered by the incongruity. It’s a lot creepier, and liberals are getting damned good at it.
Blacklake on May 17, 2009 at 1:01 AM
Health care according to our first half-white president will be rationed and indistinguishable from the health care illustrated in Idiocracy.
daesleeper on May 17, 2009 at 1:57 AM
The proof in the pudding here is that all will be forced into the embrace of our all caring Gov’t for our needs. It is the mandatory nature of these proposals that is most telling. When you are forced into acceptance of the public sector benevolence you can be sure that the Gov’t is no longer benevolent.
after a 29yr hiatus I have recently re-read “Atlas Shrugged” by Ayn Rand, that there has been a declaration to ignore her writings in recent liberal/progressive Op-Eds is not surprising. Reading the nightmares of a “looter” society while Wesley Mouch is running real time on 24 hour news is diquieting to say the least.
Never have Ms. Rand’s philosphy been more relevent than in what we are witnessing today. To read in print while and simultaneousley having public service announcements and cable TV regurgitating everything she warned us against playing in the backround is scaring the living s%@t outta me!
When Rand wrote Atlas Shrugged escapist fantasies in remote regions were remotely possible, does anyone think this is possible today? If you do please let me know, I’m packing already & trying to figure out how to avoid the authoritarianism coming our way.
Archimedes on May 17, 2009 at 6:00 AM
Archimedes on May 17, 2009 at 6:00 AM
I also am scared beyond belief. I know we all realize that this is being crammed down our throats. BUT WHAT CAN I DO ABOUT IT? I have written to the losers Lautenberg, Menedez and Pallone (may as well spit into the ocean). I am supporting Lonegan. This healthcare boon doggle cannot happen. Why is there not a bigger effort to fight this like we fought hillarycare?
red131 on May 17, 2009 at 8:05 AM
You guys have it all wrong.
John McCain said Obama is a kind and decent man. And the GOP elders said John McCain is a wise man who should be trusted.
Therefore I am certain Obama will do what’s right for America.
angryed on May 17, 2009 at 9:35 AM
One more reason to halt illegal immigration across our southern border, right?
Now, if you’ll back up your assertion with some real world statistics, I’ll back up my assertion with same. Then again, if you look at the graph I just linked from the WHO, I think I did.
unclesmrgol on May 17, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Uncles….that’s from the mortality rates published by the World Health Organization.
AnninCA on May 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Nice talking points but this is exactly why the repubs are on the back bench.
When the Dems offer free stuff, feeding the addiction of the near 50% that don’t pay taxes, where is the leadership of the Congress taking the time to educate the public about the shortcomings of state health care.
Where is the well thought out, easily understood approach, designed for high school drop outs among others to make health care understood. Free enterprise, medicare and medicaid mean nothing to the masses. What means something to them is “free stuff”.
The current Repub leadership is incompetent. As such there is no chance to prevent Obama and crew getting everything they want. Only moderate Dems can stop him.
patrick neid on May 17, 2009 at 12:32 PM
The forgotten thing (the Elephant in the Room) about the crappy Canadian Health Service is that it could be worse. Now they have a safety valve, going to the US for decent care. Imagine how bad it would be if they did not have that option.
When Obama nationalizes our health care, where are we Americans going to go for urgent care…Cuba?
Uniblogger on May 17, 2009 at 2:14 PM
It is not just about the quality the care we’ll be able to get.
With national ObamaCare government and other people will have the right to tell us what to eat, how to eat it, how to live and how to reproduce.
myrenovations on May 16, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Bingo! We have a winner!
Obama-care is the route they’ll use to micro-manage all of our lives. Remember Obama’s comments on the trail about keeping our thermostats ay 72* and eating as much as we want? This dovetails with his senate bill to commit 9% of our GDP to foreign aid. He wants to redistribute the wealth on a grand scale, namely from us to anyone but us.
If there is no way to remove him in 2012, or take away his majority in 2010, our grand experiment in liberty and self-determination will come to a close.
Archimedes on May 17, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Obama’s going to make it perfectly clear just how incompetent he really is!
Cybergeezer on May 17, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Obama’s got to make it perfectly clear just how incompetent he really is!
Cybergeezer on May 17, 2009 at 8:01 PM
D-d-d-d-i-d I s-s-s-t-u-u-t-e-r?
Cybergeezer on May 17, 2009 at 8:03 PM
When the push for universal coverage really heats up, Obama’s poll numbers will go in the toilet. Watch.
ddrintn on May 18, 2009 at 12:08 AM
And Marc Antony said that Brutus {who murdered Julius Caesar) was an honorable man.
Steve Z on May 18, 2009 at 10:28 AM
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