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Gallup: For the first time, more Americans are pro-life than pro-choice

posted at 4:02 pm on May 15, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Roughly an eight-point swing in just a year with almost all of the movement attributable to Republicans and leaners, trending from 60/36 pro-life in 2008 to 70/26 now. What gives? A few diehard Sarahcuda fans theorized in Headlines that this is her influence but I think Gallup has it right. It’s the social-con equivalent of the national gun-buying frenzy since The One was elected: The more the man in the White House is perceived as a threat to an issue you care about, the more ardent your defense of that issue is likely to become.

With the first pro-choice president in eight years already making changes to the nation’s policies on funding abortion overseas, expressing his support for the Freedom of Choice Act, and moving toward rescinding federal job protections for medical workers who refuse to participate in abortion procedures, Americans — and, in particular, Republicans — seem to be taking a step back from the pro-choice position. However, the retreat is evident among political moderates as well as conservatives.

It is possible that, through his abortion policies, Obama has pushed the public’s understanding of what it means to be “pro-choice” slightly to the left, politically. While Democrats may support that, as they generally support everything Obama is doing as president, it may be driving others in the opposite direction.

Yeah, supporting infanticide will tend to do that. The news isn’t all good for passionate pro-lifers — 53 percent sill support keeping abortion legal in at least “a few circumstances” — but the trends across the board are all in the conservative direction, including among women. There’s a media assumption, I think, that this issue splits dramatically along gender lines; not only is it untrue, but more women now call themselves pro-lifers than pro-choicers (49/44). Further evidence, as Ace says, that if there’s any truth to the claim that social cons are hurting the GOP, this issue ain’t the main cause of injury.

Update: An afterthought. If my theory of what’s driving this is correct, why were the numbers so hugely pro-choice in 1995, with Clinton in his first term? One possibility is that it was a backlash to the GOP congressional wave the year before, with voters suddenly worried that a Republican Congress might try to scale abortion way back. If so, then the current numbers don’t mean much at all since they’re basically just a reaction to whoever’s in power at the time.


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The news isn’t all good for passionate pro-lifers

It is if Teh Won thinks that revoking “conscious clauses” would be a good idea…

Branch Rickey on May 15, 2009 at 4:05 PM

The truth will set you free.

dpierson on May 15, 2009 at 4:05 PM

I tend to believe the majority have always been pro-life.

darwin on May 15, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Soon, more Americans will be anti-Obama than pro-Obama

UltimateBob on May 15, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Well, I guess the debate is over then, huh? We’re gonna definitely have to shift left toward the President.

hoosiermama on May 15, 2009 at 4:06 PM

I bet those 3D ultrasounds are going to be the first things to go in cutting costs for ObamaCare.

myrenovations on May 15, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Soon, more Americans will be anti-Obama than pro-Obama

UltimateBob on May 15, 2009 at 4:05 PM

I wonder what “distractions” will be generated when that happens.

PBoilermaker on May 15, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Expect the same trend with gay marriage. Just like abortion, the lefty social agenda has peaked.

Norwegian on May 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Technology and a proper understanding of science and how it verifies the Bible has been gaining in recent years too.

jp on May 15, 2009 at 4:10 PM

I wonder what “distractions” will be generated when that happens.

PBoilermaker on May 15, 2009 at 4:08 PM

More nude pictures of Carrie Prejean?

UltimateBob on May 15, 2009 at 4:10 PM

As encouraging as this poll may appear to be…And I’d like to believe it…Polls are pretty much dogshit as far as I’m concerned.

Like Rush always says, and I’ve posted here many times…these polling companies don’t try and measure public opinion…they try to shape it.

Nothing better than stirring up hate and discontent to increase business.

BigWyo on May 15, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Gallup: For the first time, more Americans are pro-life than pro-choice

The pendulum swings.

Johan Klaus on May 15, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Yeah, supporting infanticide will tend to do that.

“Allahpundit”

Wha…?!

OK, who are you and what the hell have you done with Allah?

Jaibones on May 15, 2009 at 4:11 PM

I wonder how much the Mona Lisa Project had to do with this…people finding out that their tax dollars being funneled to PP who are in turn advocating the protection of statutory rapists. Let’s put it up for a vote, hey? Tax dollars for PP: yes or no.

I see soooo many conservative issues on which the right could appeal to the black community, specifically school choice and the push of abortion on poor black women by PP. No one wants to be the pioneer taking the arrows, sadly. That said, when a leader emerges, we WILL notice, simply due to the dearth of leadership we’re experiencing currently.

hoosiermama on May 15, 2009 at 4:11 PM

And this is Gallup. Imagine what the numbers really are.

LibTired on May 15, 2009 at 4:11 PM

clearly the GOP should support Abortion and Gay Marriage, were as the Democrats should run blue dog social cons against us, like Casey in Penn!!!!

/david Frum logic

jp on May 15, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Very bad pick for a headline – ‘For the first time…’ – maybe ‘first time since 1973′?

I don’t have the quant info here, but I’d be willing to bet that prior to 1973, the ‘first time’ was all of recorded history?

ElRonaldo on May 15, 2009 at 4:11 PM

maybe Obama is triggering another Great Awakening?

jp on May 15, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Expect the same trend with gay marriage. Just like abortion, the lefty social agenda has peaked.

Norwegian on May 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM

That has already started. My crazy, lefty moonbat friends have started to rethink the gay marriage thing since the Carrie Prejean thing started.

Thank you Perez Hilton, thank you very much.

Knucklehead on May 15, 2009 at 4:12 PM

I hope that the conscience of many is lasting, and solid. Abortion is wrong. Forcing those of us who are against it, to pay for it, is wrong. Forcing doctors, and nurses to participate in it, against their will, is wrong.

There is nothing good, or right coming from this, so I’m ecstatic to see this change. I just hope it’s a lasting , and permanent change.

capejasmine on May 15, 2009 at 4:13 PM

I bet if you add the ones in utero, the #’s would be even higher!

JiangxiDad on May 15, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Are you kidding me? Talk about being late to the party.

JohnJ on May 15, 2009 at 4:13 PM

I guess we’re a nation of right-wing extremists.

Doughboy on May 15, 2009 at 4:14 PM

I see soooo many conservative issues on which the right could appeal to the black community, specifically school choice and the push of abortion on poor black women by PP. No one wants to be the pioneer taking the arrows, sadly. That said, when a leader emerges, we WILL notice, simply due to the dearth of leadership we’re experiencing currently.
hoosiermama on May 15, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Let’s be realistic if Obama had advocated removing all blacks from the US then they would still have voted for him since he was black.

dpierson on May 15, 2009 at 4:15 PM

53 percent sill support keeping abortion legal in at least “a few circumstances

The pro-life movement could have won a lot of victories over the paste few years if it weren’t led by the most extreme people on the issue and if it were more organized to do more than protest… ie, the referendum banning abortion without a rape, incest, or health of woman exceptions… they just can’t get the ball rolling anywhere…

ninjapirate on May 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM

O Creator of Worlds….the polling agency never asks the 25,000 dollar question in these polls…..

Do you support overturning Roe v Wade?

Because any attempt to restrict legal abortions runs head on onto Roe.
In the 2006 Hamilton Study, the polling agency did ask the question–

70 percent of females in the class of 2006 say they would not consider abortion if they became pregnant while in high school.

Yet, more than 60 percent of high school seniors want the Supreme Court to preserve the Roe v. Wade abortion decision.

Unless Roe is overturned, you are powerless.

strangelet on May 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM

But maybe your theory is not right, AP and Sarah Palin may’ve had bigger impact than you wish to give her credit for. After all, she wasn’t around in 1995.

promachus on May 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM

clearly the GOP should support Abortion and Gay Marriage
/david Frum logic

I was gonna say that but you probably said it better!

jgapinoy on May 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM

what?

no one likes killing babies anymore?

blatantblue on May 15, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Yet, more than 60 percent of high school seniors want the Supreme Court to preserve the Roe v. Wade abortion decision.

In other news, more than 60% of high schoolers want free Wiis for everyone.

Next strawman.

Branch Rickey on May 15, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Jaibones on May 15, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Get outta my head! I was thinking the same thing… is this a newer and kinder Allah? Invasion of the Mind Snatchers.

upinak on May 15, 2009 at 4:20 PM

That has already started. My crazy, lefty moonbat friends have started to rethink the gay marriage thing since the Carrie Prejean thing started.

Thank you Perez Hilton, thank you very much.

Knucklehead on May 15, 2009 at 4:12 PM

The more visible and vocal the extreme left is, the more vicious, arrogant and callous they sound. They also behave like all they care about is fulfilling their own lusts for pleasure and power. And this is because they really are that way.

The vast majority is still repulsed by these displays regarding abortion and all the other ’social issues.” Thank God.

Loxodonta on May 15, 2009 at 4:20 PM

A few diehard Sarahcuda fans theorized in Headlines that this is her influence but I think Gallup has it right. It’s the social-con equivalent of the national gun-buying frenzy since The One was elected: The more the man in the White House is perceived as a threat to an issue you care about, the more ardent your defense of that issue is likely to become.

That discourse inserted Palin into the theory. It wasn’t merely her personal choice that touched people, it was the horrible abuse heaped upon her that really touched NEARLY everyone, asshat elitists excepted. Obama’s brow beating poor sportsmanship influences public response as much as his absolute indifference to innocence. The personalities involved affect the public response as much as the issues.

maverick muse on May 15, 2009 at 4:21 PM

the current numbers don’t mean much at all since they’re basically just a reaction to whoever’s in power at the time.

Surprised you didn’t put the usual

Heartache:

before the title, but then you do that when it’s heartache for pro-lifers.

“in power at the time”, well this is why all the guns and ammo are being bought up, do you think people don’t trust the government? Hmmm.

kirkill on May 15, 2009 at 4:23 PM

I kind of thought this would happen. As soon as they gained power the gloves came off and they said the things they really believe in. While I would hope that the general electorate would be smart enough to anticipate this based on their general platform there is nothing better than to see it up and personal day after day to wake people up.

dpierson on May 15, 2009 at 4:23 PM

70 percent of females in the class of 2006 say they would not consider abortion if they became pregnant while in high school.

Yet, more than 60 percent of high school seniors want the Supreme Court to preserve the Roe v. Wade abortion decision.

Unless Roe is overturned, you are powerless.

strangelet on May 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Where’s the data that shows what percentage of high school seniors can spell ‘abortion’.

BigWyo on May 15, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Even though the pol loving nightly news broadcasts will sweep this info deep under the rug, this is still great news.

Tobias2012 on May 15, 2009 at 4:24 PM

So far, he’s
- adopted almost all of Bush’s national defense policies,
- improved our clarity of thinking on abortion,
- single-handedly re-armed millions of citizens,
- created an absolute boom in the weapons and ammo manufacturing industry,
- turned the whoring GOP House caucus into fiscal hawks,
- improved GOP identification by 15 points in the electorate,
- accidentally allowed Chrysler to go bankrupt,
- exposed Nancy Pelosi as the lying imbecile that she is, very possibly unseating her as Speaker, and
- passed legislation to spend $3 trillion dollars that even our whoring congress can’t figure out how to spend.

Who knew that electing a lying, talentless, inexperienced putz of a radical leftist could be so good for the GOP?

Jaibones on May 15, 2009 at 4:24 PM

I’m sure Barry will mention this at ND on Sunday…

D2Boston on May 15, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Unless Roe is overturned, you are powerless.

strangelet on May 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Geeze, from that short statement, you sound as if you salivate at the thought of abortion?

Do a search, click on images, then type in, partial birth abortions. Then come back and be so uppity over this issue. Tell me that’s not torture, of that little human being?

The difference here is, the water boarding recipients, were offered medical care, by a doctor, to help them live. The babies get a medical doctor to help them die.

capejasmine on May 15, 2009 at 4:24 PM

strangelet on May 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM

At your HS?

I see.

9th grade is almost over! Keep on keepin’ on!

blatantblue on May 15, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Yet, more than 60 percent of high school seniors want the Supreme Court to preserve the Roe v. Wade abortion decision.

Unless Roe is overturned, you are powerless.

strangelet on May 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM

It’d attribute this mainly to people being lied to about what would happen if it were overturned.

lorien1973 on May 15, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Get outta my head! I was thinking the same thing… is this a newer and kinder Allah? Invasion of the Mind Snatchers.

upinak on May 15, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Bizarro world.

Jaibones on May 15, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Jaibones on May 15, 2009 at 4:24 PM

And Carville said the GOP is finished.

jgapinoy on May 15, 2009 at 4:27 PM

I tend to believe the majority have always been pro-life.

darwin on May 15, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Yup.

bluelightbrigade on May 15, 2009 at 4:27 PM

I have been talking about this trend since the campaign. What we see on the ground is beginning to be reflected in the polls.

The glitch during the election was useful idiots trying to convince socons that Obama was pro-life. They still are as I noticed the talking heads making their rounds on the news today while discussing Notre Dame.

We really need to make a strong informed argument against the pro-death Democrats on socon issues. BO plays with emotions to get support,but in my book there is no greater emotion one can have than the love a mother or a father feels for their child/ren.

Forcing American taxpayers to pay for forced sterilizations and abortions in China, and the threat of forcing drs and hospitals to give abortions against their convictions,alongside the fact that taxpayers will most likely be forced to pay for abortions in whatever healthcare reform that is passed is enough to push even the moderates and independents further to the right. There is now only one party that offers a moderate lean to the abortion debate and its not the Dems.

canditaylor68 on May 15, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Unless Roe is overturned, you are powerless.

strangelet on May 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM

That’ll happen one day.

bluelightbrigade on May 15, 2009 at 4:29 PM

I guess most people don’t believe in letting babies born in botched abortions die on a broom closet floor then? People were too stupid and/or ignorant to see through Obama’s lies during the campaign. It just infuriates me.

marklmail on May 15, 2009 at 4:29 PM

I tend to believe the majority have always been pro-life.

darwin on May 15, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Yeah, who screwed up at Gallup? Choicers are demanding a recount.

portlandon on May 15, 2009 at 4:29 PM

If 2010 brings a republican resurgence, it may help the one be elected again.

Clinton benefited from 94

PrezHussein on May 15, 2009 at 4:30 PM

I think more people are starting to realize that the issue is becoming a fight over the scope of the abortion issue, rather than a fight over it’s existance.

The laws used to allow unfettered 1st trimester abortions. Not wonderful, but a concession to the left. We do live in a democracy after all.

Now however, it seems that if you DARE to tell a woman she can’t kill her toddler up to age three, you’re accused of being a right wing facist christian zealot. The age at which women want to be able to kill their children, to put it bluntly, keeps getting higher and higher. King Barry’s history on this issue is a prime example.

Another creeping issue is how young can a girl be to decide to abort, without consent of an adult. The libs want any girl of any age to be able to have an abortion as is obvious in the way they push lower and lower.

How long will it be before a girl is able abort herself?

I think that America is waking up.

Wine_N_Dine on May 15, 2009 at 4:30 PM

I’m sure Barry will mention this at ND on Sunday…
D2Boston on May 15, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Not holding my breath on that one :)

Branch Rickey on May 15, 2009 at 4:30 PM

I’m sure Barry will mention this at ND on Sunday…
D2Boston on May 15, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Not holding my breath on that one :)

Branch Rickey on May 15, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Unless Roe is overturned, you are powerless.

strangelet on May 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Whatever dries the tears, darlin’, whatever dries the tears.

ladyingray on May 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Sorry! Computer went all funky.

Branch Rickey on May 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Yet, more than 60 percent of high school seniors want the Supreme Court to preserve the Roe v. Wade abortion decision.

(This would be the same 60% of high school seniors who don’t graduate)

Cite your source or stfu.

PappaMac on May 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM

clearly the GOP should support Abortion and Gay Marriage, were as the Democrats should run blue dog social cons against us, like Casey in Penn!!!!

/david Frum logic

jp on May 15, 2009 at 4:11 PM

No, but they might moderate their position on abortion by focusing on partial birth and other areas where the left is out of sync with the voters. However, a GOP candidate not having exceptions for rape is also going to seem extreme the other way.

There are a lot of voters in the middle on the issue. If the GOP has candidates who prioritize economic issues but appear both pragamatic and pro-life they’ll do well against the Dems who are beholden to their extremists.

dedalus on May 15, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Whatever dries the tears, darlin’, whatever dries the tears.

ladyingray on May 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM

lol

blatantblue on May 15, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Whatever dries the tears, darlin’, whatever dries the tears.

ladyingray on May 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Best response ever. I enjoy it every time I see it!

sherry on May 15, 2009 at 4:34 PM

We do live in a democracy republic after all.

FIFY ~ sorry, it’s a pet peeve.

Branch Rickey on May 15, 2009 at 4:36 PM

dedalus on May 15, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Agreed.

canditaylor68 on May 15, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Update: … the current numbers don’t mean much at all since they’re basically just a reaction to whoever’s in power at the time.

The numbers mean a lot if we can learn from them. Pushing for a total ban, “abortion is murder,” seem to push the majority toward wanting to keep abortion legal. But, favoring partial-birth and other post-viability abortions seems to push the public against abortions.

So, there may be ways to reduce the number of abortions, without making them all felonies, that could gain majority support.

Loxodonta on May 15, 2009 at 4:36 PM

sherry on May 15, 2009 at 4:34 PM

And it works for nearly everything a troll tosses out…I wish I’d had that line when getaclue was still around….

ladyingray on May 15, 2009 at 4:38 PM

The laws used to allow unfettered 1st trimester abortions. Not wonderful, but a concession to the left. We do live in a democracy after all.

Wine_N_Dine on May 15, 2009 at 4:30 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States#Abortion_before_Roe

Be careful what you say, always state the correct facts otherwise people will discount your opinion.

TimTebowSavesAmerica on May 15, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Bernard Nathanson, M.D., a cofounder of NARAL, is now a pro-life advocate. He was recently interviewed by The Interim, March 2009:

The Interim: In terms of your own change of heart, can you tell us a little about what prompted that?

Nathanson: It was a strictly scientific excursion into intra-uterine life, which persuaded me that abortion was unacceptable. I started changing my mind in 1973, when advanced technology moved into our hospitals and offices. I speak now of ultrasound imaging, fetal heart monitoring electronically, hysteroscopy, fetoscopy – things that gave us a window into the womb. Over a period of three or four years, I mulled over these technologies and what they revealed … They opened a window into the womb so we could look in it, see the unborn baby and measure it and observe it sleeping, swallowing, urinating and all the things we all do as members of the (human) community. I was finally persuaded that the fetus is a member of the human community, has to be regarded as such and has to be protected as such.

INC on May 15, 2009 at 4:39 PM

I meant after Roe Tim.

Wine_N_Dine on May 15, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Concerned for Life, the blog that reported on the interview with Nathanson, also has this quote from Dr. Nathanson from The Hand of God:

In order to give you some idea of the immense influence of this new techonology on the practice of obstetrics and our knowledge of the fetus, let me tell you that there is a huge book called The Cumulative Index Medicus, which lists every article published in every medical journal in the world. In the l969 edition of the Index under the heading of “fetus, physiology and anatomy of,” there were five articles in the world’s literature. As recently as that, we knew almost nothing of the fetus; when abortion on demand was unleashed in the United States, fetology essentially did not exist. In l979, there were twenty-eight hundred articles, and by l994 there were close to five thousand. This technology had opened a new world to us.

INC on May 15, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Its not social conservatism per se that Independents object to. They just don’t like it to be the main issue espoused by Republicans. They might agree with us about gay marriage but they find the economy much more important.

Speedwagon82 on May 15, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Speedwagon82 on May 15, 2009 at 4:41 PM

I don’t think it’s been the main issue.

I did find this sentence from Gallup interesting:

Similarly, by ideology, all of the increase in pro-life sentiment is seen among self-identified conservatives and moderates; the abortion views of political liberals have not changed.

INC on May 15, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Unless Roe is overturned, you are powerless.

strangelet on May 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM

We are? Abortion isn’t as socially acceptable as it once was. That’s power.

The left is skating on thin ice. That’s why you’re here.

Its not social conservatism per se that Independents object to. They just don’t like it to be the main issue espoused by Republicans. They might agree with us about gay marriage but they find the economy much more important.

Speedwagon82 on May 15, 2009 at 4:41 PM

I don’t recall a Republican candidate for president for whom abortion was ever the “main issue”. It’s more of a main issue for Democrats.

ddrintn on May 15, 2009 at 4:54 PM

The news isn’t all good for passionate pro-lifers — 53 percent sill support keeping abortion legal in at least “a few circumstances” — but the trends across the board are all in the conservative direction, including among women.

That’s a good thing though. There should be exceptions in cases of rape/incest and absolute risk to mothers life. I’m sort of 50/50 on it but I might even go so far as to include the “morning after pill” remaining legal as a last resort.

As for the shift in the polls, when you’re more pro-abortion (and Obama IS pro-abortion) than many pro-choice groups then it’s going to have a backlash against moderates and those who even remotely lean the other way on the issue.

Yakko77 on May 15, 2009 at 4:56 PM

An afterthought. If my theory of what’s driving this is correct, why were the numbers so hugely pro-choice in 1995, with Clinton in his first term?

Because your thoery is BS. In 1995 there was no Palin

unseen on May 15, 2009 at 4:59 PM

PappaMac on May 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Heh. Would be funnier if it weren’t true…

At this point I firmly believe that lowering the voting age to 21 was definitely a mistake.

Dark-Star on May 15, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Typical Allah give Palin no credit. You had one of the most outspoken supporters on prolife issues running since Reagan making the case for months on the beauty of all life. And at the SAME TIME you have a major swing in the support of the prolife position. Yet Allah can not put 2+2 together to get 4. He has to invent something out of whole cloth about the 1994 REP takeover of Congress.

unbelievable!

unseen on May 15, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Whatever dries the tears, darlin’, whatever dries the tears.

ladyingray on May 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM

love you. :]

have a great weekend, folks. i’m out.

bluelightbrigade on May 15, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Because your thoery is BS. In 1995 there was no Palin

unseen on May 15, 2009 at 4:59 PM

How would you reconcile the recent movement in the abortion numbers with the fact that Palin’s poll numbers slid from the time she was introduced until the election? Was it that people agreed with her positions but weren’t comfortable with her?

dedalus on May 15, 2009 at 5:07 PM

The news isn’t all good for passionate pro-lifers — 53 percent sill support keeping abortion legal in at least “a few circumstances” — but the trends across the board are all in the conservative direction, including among women.

Still, it’s bad news for David Frum. All those socons dragging down the GOP…

ddrintn on May 15, 2009 at 5:08 PM

How would you reconcile the recent movement in the abortion numbers with the fact that Palin’s poll numbers slid from the time she was introduced until the election? Was it that people agreed with her positions but weren’t comfortable with her?

dedalus on May 15, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Ya think? After the gracious way she was treated by the media?

ddrintn on May 15, 2009 at 5:09 PM

See what happens when you throw innocent trespassers on elite college campuses into jail last weekend because they can’t stand on the sidelines anymore?

Yah, I like to fantasize my jail days made a different. A suspect the Cuda’s personal testimony for life may have made a difference too.

To Fr. Jenkins:

Eat my shorts!!!

Sapwolf on May 15, 2009 at 5:10 PM

If my theory of what’s driving this is correct, why were the numbers so hugely pro-choice in 1995, with Clinton in his first term? One possibility is that it was a backlash to the GOP congressional wave the year before, with voters suddenly worried that a Republican Congress might try to scale abortion way back. If so, then the current numbers don’t mean much at all since they’re basically just a reaction to whoever’s in power at the time.

That’s a stretch, to say the least.

ddrintn on May 15, 2009 at 5:10 PM

In the Headlines thread on this, I think the three main reasons people conjectured for the movement in the poll were:

Technology

Palin

Obama

I agree. A couple of people said technology had been responsible for their own change of mind.

People have seen their own child (or someone else’s) via sonogram in the context of events–Palin putting the pro-life issue front and center as they have learned more and more of Obama’s radical stance.

INC on May 15, 2009 at 5:14 PM

The planets are aligning. The question is:

Will she run in 2012?

Sapwolf on May 15, 2009 at 5:14 PM

How would you reconcile the recent movement in the abortion numbers with the fact that Palin’s poll numbers slid from the time she was introduced until the election? Was it that people agreed with her positions but weren’t comfortable with her?

dedalus on May 15, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Palins numbers among conservatives went up. in Jan 54% of America voters said the gOP should move back to Reagan principles with 15% unsure. The same principles the Palin was diuscussing. the meme that Palin hurt McCain is a fiction made by the GOP moderates to keep the conservatives off balance.

unseen on May 15, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Sit on THIS and take a spin BO….

CynicalOptimist on May 15, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Father Corapi is droppin by South Bend too for a talk on Sunday night.

Tomorrow, the Jane Doe of Roe vs. Wade fame is risking arrest at Notre Dame.

By the way, today’s arrests featured shacklin people while praying the Rosary with pictures of the Mother of God on hand.

That will score you brownie points with Planned Parenthood and Obama.

Sapwolf on May 15, 2009 at 5:17 PM

I don’t recall a Republican candidate for president for whom abortion was ever the “main issue”. It’s more of a main issue for Democrats.

ddrintn on May 15, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Not McCain, but it certainly hurt Santorum who allowed the Left to paint him as Social Conservative Number One of the country. Didn’t Liddy Dole make a big deal about her opponent being a athiest too? Didn’t seem to resonate.

Speedwagon82 on May 15, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Jill Stanek had a column up earlier this week on Obama’s effect:

Pro-life Obamanation?

The terms “pro-life” and “Obamanation” would seem incompatible.

But there may be an emerging phenomenon. While President Obama continues to enjoy popular support, his anti-life agenda is enjoying less popularity the more he tries to advance it.

The first sign was public reaction to Obama’s overturning of the Mexico City policy, which reinstated taxpayer funding to international abortion groups. This garnered Obama a 65 percent disapproval rating, according to Gallup, making it the least popular of his first seven decisions as president.

She also quotes a Politico article about the uptick in pro-life activism since Obama took office!

She ironically concludes:

Obama may be winning abortion battles, but a casualty is loss of public support in the abortion war.

Translation: Obama is making abortion unpopular.

If this keeps up, an interesting oxymoron may be that our most recent pro-life president made no noticeable impact on public opinion on abortion while our current pro-abortion president has by his offensive actions helped persuade public opinion toward the sanctity of life.

INC on May 15, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Not McCain, but it certainly hurt Santorum who allowed the Left to paint him as Social Conservative Number One of the country. Didn’t Liddy Dole make a big deal about her opponent being a athiest too? Didn’t seem to resonate.

Speedwagon82 on May 15, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Mrs Dole had other issues. Hagen ran as a fiscal conservative God Fearing church going democrate. She painted DOle as an elitist out of touch washington insider. Dole had a TV spot where Hagen was talking to the atheists that proved she was ly7ing yet it was seen as a hail mary pass at the end of the campaign.

Yet one of the first votes Hagan made in the senate was to not allow any Church meeting in publicly finaced college building.

Santourom had his own issues and did not follow the election closely to be able to talk about it.

unseen on May 15, 2009 at 5:22 PM

Not McCain, but it certainly hurt Santorum who allowed the Left to paint him as Social Conservative Number One of the country. Didn’t Liddy Dole make a big deal about her opponent being a athiest too? Didn’t seem to resonate.

Speedwagon82 on May 15, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Was abortion the only issue that took down both Santorum and Dole? I don’t think so.

ddrintn on May 15, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Palins numbers among conservatives went up. in Jan 54% of America voters said the gOP should move back to Reagan principles with 15% unsure. The same principles the Palin was diuscussing. the meme that Palin hurt McCain is a fiction made by the GOP moderates to keep the conservatives off balance.

unseen on May 15, 2009 at 5:16 PM

If the race were for President of U.S. Conservatives, she’d win. Her poll numbers headed south when all voters were considered. Perhaps she influenced some voters on the abortion issue while not making inroads with swing voters regarding her own readiness for the Oval Office.

dedalus on May 15, 2009 at 5:24 PM

If the race were for President of U.S. Conservatives, she’d win. Her poll numbers headed south when all voters were considered. Perhaps she influenced some voters on the abortion issue while not making inroads with swing voters regarding her own readiness for the Oval Office.

dedalus on May 15, 2009 at 5:24 PM

perhaps. I know McCain would not have got my vote if not for Palin.

unseen on May 15, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Was abortion the only issue that took down both Santorum and Dole? I don’t think so.

ddrintn on May 15, 2009 at 5:23 PM

With Santorum some PA voters were turned off by a perception that he was more focused on social crusading than practical matters of governing.

dedalus on May 15, 2009 at 5:27 PM

If the race were for President of U.S. Conservatives, she’d win. Her poll numbers headed south when all voters were considered. Perhaps she influenced some voters on the abortion issue while not making inroads with swing voters regarding her own readiness for the Oval Office.

dedalus on May 15, 2009 at 5:24 PM

At the risk of turning this into yet another Palin thread, be honest. If the interviews and debate and other Palin appearances had been seen on their own, without the relentless anti-Palin spin that came after each and every Palin appearance, do you think her poll numbers would have gone down? I say, no way.

Palin was not in her own campaign. She was constrained by a candidate who didn’t seem to have the stomach to win anything other than a Senate seat.

ddrintn on May 15, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Yup, powerless.
You had 8 years to overturn Roe an nuthin’ happened.
Obama will get to appoint 3 supremes I bet.

Nah nah hey hey
Roe v Wade is here to stay
It doesn’t matter what they say
when they never vote that way!

hahaha!

strangelet on May 15, 2009 at 5:31 PM

With Santorum some PA voters were turned off by a perception that he was more focused on social crusading than practical matters of governing.

dedalus on May 15, 2009 at 5:27 PM

I suspect the constant drumbeat about the Iraq war was a big factor.

ddrintn on May 15, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Yup, powerless.
You had 8 years to overturn Roe an nuthin’ happened.
Obama will get to appoint 3 supremes I bet.

Nah nah hey hey
Roe v Wade is here to stay
It doesn’t matter what they say
when they never vote that way!
hahaha!

strangelet on May 15, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Doesn’t matter. You’re fringe.

ddrintn on May 15, 2009 at 5:35 PM

dead babies. it’sa problem that’s not going away.

http://www.polmachina.com/?p=247

ranchoforte on May 15, 2009 at 5:39 PM

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