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Did Obama flip-flop on military commissions?

posted at 10:16 am on May 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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President Barack Obama will announce later today that he will use a revamped military-commission system to resolve the remaining cases of terrorist detainees at Guantanamo Bay.  This comes as no surprise, as the administration has used the Friday-night leak system to prepare the ground for what appears a Friday-afternoon announcement that will get buried in the news cycle.  But does this represent a reversal over what Candidate Barack Obama promised?  The White House says that Obama always envisioned using a commission system, and that Oceania has always never been at war with Eastasia:

The decision, to be announced Friday, could set off more criticism from civil libertarian and liberal groups that have increasingly complained that Mr. Obama has not made a sharper break from former President George W. Bush’s terrorism policies. During last year’s presidential campaign, Mr. Obama called the military commission system put in place by Mr. Bush “an enormous failure” and vowed to “reject the Military Commissions Act.”

But aides pointed out Thursday that he never rejected the possibility of using military commissions altogether if they could be made fairer, and they pointed to legislation he supported as a senator in 2006 intended to do just that. They noted that some defendants would continue to be tried in American civilian courts and said they were trying to create a “durable, multilayered option,” as one put it.

Obama did support an alternate proposal for military commissions in 2006 sponsored by John Warner, Lindsay Graham, and John McCain, but that was widely seen as a way to derail the Bush administration’s push for the tribunal system and not as full-throated support for military trials.  On the campaign trail, Obama sounded quite a different note.  After the current military tribunal system got a conviction in the Hamdan case, Obama called for cases to get moved to American courts (emphasis mine):

I commend the military officers who presided over this trial and served on the hearing panel under difficult and unprecedented circumstances. They and all our Armed Forces continue to serve this country with valor in the fight against terrorism. That the Hamdan trial – the first military commission trial with a guilty verdict since 9/11 – took several years of legal challenges to secure a conviction for material support for terrorism underscores the dangerous flaws in the Administration’s legal framework. It’s time to better protect the American people and our values by bringing swift and sure justice to terrorists through our courts and our Uniform Code of Military Justice. And while it is important to convict anyone who provides material support for terrorism, it is long past time to capture or kill Osama bin Laden and the terrorists who murdered nearly 3000 Americans.

That statement fell into line with his allies on the Left, who had argued that Gitmo detainees should get prosecuted in the normal federal-court venue and not by the military at all.  They certainly understood Obama to mean the same thing through his frequent criticisms of the Military Commissions Act.  Some of them are expressing that disappointment in clear terms today, as Jake Tapper reports:

“Everyone knows the military commissions have been a dismal failure,” Gabor Rona, the international legal director of Human Rights First, tells the Los Angeles Times in what will no doubt be a harbinger of human rights groups reaction today. “The results of the cases will be suspect around the world. It is a tragic mistake to continue them.”

“It’s disappointing that Obama is seeking to revive rather than end this failed experiment,” ACLU attorney Jonathan Hafetz told the London Guardian. “There’s no detainee at Guantanamo who cannot be tried and shouldn’t be tried in the regular federal courts system.”

Human rights groups point out that in August 2008, then-Sen. Obama seemed to indicate he was leaning towards trying detainees in U.S. courts and through the court martial system.

Tapper insisted last night and this morning on his Twitter feed that this was not a reversal on Obama’s part, but it certainly looks like one to a broad spectrum of people.  Obama the candidate never offered a plan to make military commissions work better; he presented only criticism of that approach while leaving a distinct impression of favoring civil courts instead.  Jim Geraghty e-mailed this August 2007 statement that bolsters the argument:

I also will reject a legal framework that does not work. There has been only one conviction at Guantanamo. It was for a guilty plea on material support for terrorism. The sentence was 9 months. There has not been one conviction of a terrorist act. I have faith in America’s courts, and I have faith in our JAGs. As President, I will close Guantanamo, reject the Military Commissions Act, and adhere to the Geneva Conventions. Our Constitution and our Uniform Code of Military Justice provide a framework for dealing with the terrorists.

The UCMJ reference was to the idea that regular courts-martial could be used rather than the MCA.  However, that ran afoul of the same evidentiary problems associated with the civil court system — the exposure of classified intel, and so on.  The Washington Post article a week ago noted that the White House realized that “standard military settings”, ie courts-martial, would not work for that reason.

When Obama suspended the military commissions in January, the clear expectation was that they would not resume. The reboot of the commissions represents a flip-flop, as the leaks over the last two weeks made clear.  Recall these statements from inside the administration, as reported by the Washington Post and New York Times:

“It looks a lot more difficult now than it did on Jan. 20,” said one government official. …

The more they look at it,” said one official, “the more commissions don’t look as bad as they did on Jan. 20.”

Even the White House knows they’ve flip-flopped.  In this case, it’s a good idea, but it’s definitely a reversal, and one borne of inexperience and hubris.  Instead of raising expectations as he did by acting precipitately, Obama should have taken the time during the last two years to learn about the process and discover the difficulties before trying to implement the policy.  That would, however, involve admitting that Obama doesn’t know everything, which Obama appears to have difficulty acknowledging until circumstances force the issue.


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Say Ed, aren’t you supposed to be on vacation?

JamesLee on May 15, 2009 at 10:18 AM

What is “posse cometanance” law?

saiga on May 15, 2009 at 10:18 AM

doncha know, we can’t use the same failed policies of the past. We need a smarter military tribunal – one that is prepared for the new battles of the 21st century. One that looks exactly like the old military tribunals, but smarter.

gatorboy on May 15, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Liberals don’t care about liberal lies because they “know” that liberals are the only ones with good intentions.

JohnJ on May 15, 2009 at 10:20 AM

flip-flops in the right direction I’ll applaud. Those are just indications that Dear Leader has some common sense.

Now when he flip-flops and starts supporting Gay marriage, that’ll be moving towards the insane.

kirkill on May 15, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Cracks in the foundation?

PrincipledPilgrim on May 15, 2009 at 10:27 AM

President Barack Obama will announce later today that he will use a revamped military-commission system to resolve the remaining cases of terrorist detainees at Guantanamo Bay.

Meaning the presiding court officers will now sit at a semi-circular table rather than a rectangular table.

I wish I had a pair of handcuff for Ogabe. War criminal in the White House!

Bishop on May 15, 2009 at 10:28 AM

The same failed policies of George Bush, Part XXXVII.

ILB on May 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Say Ed, aren’t you supposed to be on vacation?

JamesLee on May 15, 2009 at 10:18 AM

Trying to get rid of me already?

I’m working the morning and hitting the road. I have to protect my phony-baloney job, gentlemen. (”Give the governor a harrumph!”)

Ed Morrissey on May 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Is anyone in the RNC logging these flops? Gee, might be good to use in campaign adds or something. Too much to ask?

hip shot on May 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Hey, its Summertime in Washington…flip-flops for everyone!

ornery_independent on May 15, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Most of the Left is of the mindset that their underwater basketweaving degree from some prestigious University or another means they can know everything about anything with enough research on the internetz or listening to popular people.

They laugh at the guy who called the internet a series of tubes, but themselves have an even worse understanding about criminal court procedure. So I am not surprised 0bama and most of the Left think that civil courts can try Gitmo detainees without serious issues involving disclosure of classified intel. Most of them took some Basics of Law 101 when they got their Deconstruction in L**bian Basktery degree, and think they are as smart as their lawyers.

Sekhmet on May 15, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Is anyone in the RNC logging these flops? Gee, might be good to use in campaign adds or something. Too much to ask?
hip shot on May 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Well yeah it’s too much to ask, Steele isn’t about to use any of this solid-gold material to work on behalf of a bunch of “Nazis.”

Bishop on May 15, 2009 at 10:34 AM

aren’t they trying to change the setup of the Tribunals though, which would undercut the point of them?

jp on May 15, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Ed Morrissey on May 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Enjoy your time off, you deserve it. Stay safe.

policies of George Bush, Part XXXVII.

ILB on May 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM

+1

canditaylor68 on May 15, 2009 at 10:35 AM

So our own military men and women are under the military court system , whereas Dopey Changey was suggesting terrorists or, excuse me “wandering radicals in the battlefield” are going to get American court justice?

The faux Constitutional “lawyer” shows how inept he is by juxtaposing “American court system and military court system” in the same sentences.

And can anyone find “Geneva Convention” in our Constitution?

Let me guess, his cliff notes were chocked with military jargon to sound “Presidential”…

Odie1941 on May 15, 2009 at 10:35 AM

He realized that he was in a box so he backed up. Obama will flip on anything, didn’t you learn that during the election. There is lots of room under the Obama bus.

Mr. Joe on May 15, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Pelosi’s got the “crab-walks” down, as her President can’t decide which side of the fence he’s on. It must be a tough job for Obama attempting to appease his far left loons, while realizing that his first priority is protecting this nation.

All this while Obama has another “revelation”:

May 14 (Bloomberg) — President Barack Obama, calling current deficit spending “unsustainable,” warned of skyrocketing interest rates for consumers if the U.S. continues to finance government by borrowing from other countries.

“We can’t keep on just borrowing from China,” Obama said at a town-hall meeting in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, outside Albuquerque. “We have to pay interest on that debt, and that means we are mortgaging our children’s future with more and more debt.”

Holders of U.S. debt will eventually “get tired” of buying it, causing interest rates on everything from auto loans to home mortgages to increase, Obama said. “It will have a dampening effect on our economy.” link

Duh!!!!!

Rovin on May 15, 2009 at 10:36 AM

I think going forward, we should say that the TOTUS changed its mind. Not Barack.

/tool

Key West Reader on May 15, 2009 at 10:37 AM

So, the administration STOPPED trials using the same system they will now restart?

You do know that this gives them all a “Speedy Trial” arguement if they ever get oversite by the Federal Court… which the Tribunal system DOES give them (although it does put them all under the DC district if memory serves).

Romeo13 on May 15, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Paul Begalla was on Anderson Cooper last night trying to defend this, and Ari Fleisher took him down HARDCORE. It was a thing of beauty, and a metaphor for the entire gwot+Iraq debates.

scottm on May 15, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Look, Tapper can spin it however he wants, but when DailyKos calls it a flip-flop, a flip-flop it is. As was pointed out in the comments there (and noted here by Ed), he did hold a similar opinion when he was a Senator which means the campaign opinion was most likely a lie. What? A candidate moved on a issue to win support? Get the h*** outta here.

LastRick on May 15, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Trying to get rid of me already? Ed Morrissey on May 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Have a safe trip Capt. Are you going out to Cal to look at buying the Coliseum?

Rovin on May 15, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Instead of Military Commissions they could just be “Non-civilian Justice Counsels…” Promise kept. Controversy over.

Let’s rename Gitmo too. How about “Camp Friendship and Peace.” Problem solved.

Now proceed with the destruction of the free-market system.

petunia on May 15, 2009 at 10:43 AM

I am not going to give the Chicago Jesus much credit for changing his mind. I have a feeling the poll numbers are starting to go down. Thank you Dick Cheney!!

Dire Straits on May 15, 2009 at 10:49 AM

He was against them before he was for them.

Nuance.

ajacksonian on May 15, 2009 at 10:50 AM

“In this case, it’s a good idea, but it’s definitely a reversal, and one borne of inexperience and hubris.”

Hey………..

………. why don’t we elect Barack Hussein Obama as the President of the United States?

What could go wrong………?

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Simple: where idealism meets reality.

I guess he should have actually spoken to other countries about taking them before he declared that closing Gitmo would be good for America’s image.

Queen0fCups on May 15, 2009 at 10:55 AM

They lied their way into power, now they’re trying to lie their way into retaining it.

This goes beyond mere tapdancing.

Obama is now breakdancing, with the spinning flipflop as his signature move.

Er… I… ahhh… ummm… didn’t mean what I said… ummm… errr. … ahhhh… because I didn’t know whet I meant when I …. ummm… ahhh….said what I did.

TOTUS is tittering in the backround.

profitsbeard on May 15, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Let’s rename Gitmo too. How about “Camp Friendship and Peace.” Problem solved.

Now proceed with the destruction of the free-market system.

petunia on May 15, 2009 at 10:43 AM

I prefer “Camp Butterflies and Lollipops

ornery_independent on May 15, 2009 at 10:56 AM

The White House says that Obama always envisioned using a commission system, and that Oceania has always never been at war with Eastasia

Heh.

Harrumph!

Jaibones on May 15, 2009 at 10:57 AM

He was for them before he was aginnum….

CynicalOptimist on May 15, 2009 at 11:00 AM

No, you just weren’t listening you lousy dolts!

Glenn Jericho on May 15, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Forgot the “/sarc”
Krauthammer at his best!

Glenn Jericho on May 15, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Is anyone in the RNC logging these flops? Gee, might be good to use in campaign adds or something. Too much to ask?

hip shot on May 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM

I wouldn’t make to much political hash with this kind of flip flop.

Perhaps putting a GOP elder statesman out there to talk about how easy it is to say childish things on the campaign trail but that national security is a whole different thing once one is on the inside. Hit the Dems on being unrealistic but not on the generic politician flip-flop thing.

myrenovations on May 15, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Obama’s penchant for opening his mouth before anybody in the White House engages their brains in all likelihood will not result in any serious domestic disasters. But that same tendency will be a serious problem in foreign relations and diplomacy.

ProfessorMiao on May 15, 2009 at 11:11 AM

I remember, when I was 16. I got my drivers license. I felt so grown up. I wanted to be treated like an adult, and have all the perks there in, that I thought adults have.

Obama is STILL at that age 16. He doesn’t want to be seen as the kid. The young one, with no sage wisdom, that he sees in more senior level persons, in Congress. So…he acts like the 16 year old, that knows it all, but knows so little, because he refuses to learn, and chooses to take the hard way, rather than seek the counsel of the more learned.

Just my opinion!

capejasmine on May 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM

President Flipper. Can anything he says be taken at face value? Can anything he says be taken as ‘the final word’? This guy talks out of both sides of his mouth AND his ass at the same time. Must be all that ‘vast executive experience’. The guy in the White House in charge of distractions had better come up with a good one to cover Barry’s ass on this flip-flop.

GarandFan on May 15, 2009 at 11:22 AM

I like this bit

As President, I will close Guantanamo, reject the Military Commissions Act, and adhere to the Geneva Conventions.

Does this mean we will be free to kill the guys with guns who aren’t in uniform on a field of battle?

todler on May 15, 2009 at 11:23 AM

“Look, I’ve always said. . .”

common sensineer on May 15, 2009 at 11:44 AM

This is clearly a day for rhetorical questions…

drjohn on May 15, 2009 at 11:47 AM

He’s a liar. We all knew this.

Next question, please.

bluelightbrigade on May 15, 2009 at 12:29 PM

The flip isn’t evidence of incompetence. The need to flip is evidence of incompetence. Or as Ed called it, “inexperience and hubris”. A disastrous combination.

SKYFOX on May 15, 2009 at 12:33 PM

I’d love to heae what the JAGS have to say about this.

Del Dolemonte on May 15, 2009 at 12:47 PM

[OK, fair warning, this is a rant...

Wanted to keep it pithy...but you know me...ain't nothing pithy about me... ]

Military Commissions, at Guantanamo, are the sole legal means to determine if a detainee is rightfully detained or should be sent home.

The federal courts are not an appropriate venue, and a casual stroll through FindLaw or other legal library will point out USSC determinations that reinforce that armed foreign nationals engaged in hostile acts against US persons abroad are not entitled to access to US courts. The most notable case being Johnson v. Eisentrager (1950).

Under Geneva, and this is something that cannot be tossed aside with little thought, the detainees are not entitled to Geneva protections. None.

Under Geneva, trying military captees in civilian courts for acts committed on the battlefield is not permitted.

They may, however, be tried in civilian courts for acts committed against civilians after their capture. For example, if a POW escapes and robs and kills a civilian while trying to steal a car to further his escape, he may be tried by a civilian court, in that jurisdiction, upon his recapture, and even after the end of hostilities after that POW has been repatriated to his home country, provided that country has an extradition treaty with the US.

But, these detainees are not POW’s. This is a legal distinction that has become more muddied over the past few years, and now, more so, under this Administration.

It has been said, many times, that under Geneva, these detainees upon capture were entitled to just one thing…a choice of being given a cigarette and a blindfold before execution by the local military commander where they were captured. That is indeed a proper reading of Geneva.

That we offered better treatment of these detainees than they were entitled, for the sole reason of obtaining intelligence to thwart AQ and others from engaging in further acts of hostility towards us, in no way conveys POW status to them, nor abrogates our obligations under Geneva.

And this is very important, if any of these detainees were brought into the United States for so much as a minor medical procedure, a visit to the dentist, or to appear on a late night talk show, their status would change immediately and permanently.

They would upon arrival on US soil be entitled to every legal protection that any American citizen enjoys. Further, if they are brought to US soil, and afforded these same legal protections….they will be shown to have violated no US law. They will be shown to have violated no US law. It is worth repeating. Acts of aggression against US persons outside the Untied States by non-uniformed non-state bandits are not under the purview of the US federal courts. This was muddied in a major way by the Clinton Administrations insistence that bin Laden be arrested…and charged with civil crimes. And even when we had him within snatching distance, the Department of Justice, the then Attorney general, were hard pressed to find a legal fool-proof construct to enable us to grab him and drag him before a federal court. Ramsi Yousef’s arrest for conspiracy in the first WTC bombing set a false precedent. It still serves to muddy the waters.

Either we agree to handle ALL terrorism from outside the United States as a mere law enforcement matter, or we all agree to handle it for what it actually is…war.

Conflating the two over the past two decades has done no good at all to proper execution of anti-terrorism efforts.

The Euros, being a bit more hung up on Napoleonic-style law…as opposed to our Constitutional Law (and there is a difference) have a tough time trying to understand how on one weekend we can say a terrorist is a criminal and on the following weekend a terrorist is an enemy combatant. This is no small item. If we start swapping non-convicted criminals with our allies, what is to prevent them from doing the same with any other persons they deem to be criminals…like US tourists…or US service men and women whose only “crime” was to have been wearing a US uniform during a time when we had an unpopular President engaged in war elsewhere in the world?

Think of Spain’s recent attempt to try US officials in Spain for war crimes.

But back to the detainees and their coming to America to stand trial in a federal court, or even having a federal court set up shop in Guantanamo…a violation of two separate treaties, by the way, treaties the present Cuban government refuses to recognize.

The first result? Once they arrive in the US, habeus corpus attaches. They will be released from custody to prepare their case, or to merely stay here, or find their way back home. There are no laws to prevent them from entering our population once they arrive, and no laws to prevent their departure to another country. To incarcerate them pending trial is prejudicial to their case, a violation of their habeus corpus rights, and sets a very bad precedent that most Americans should fear…

Those jihadis who were arrested or captured on US soil…they are entitled to access to federal courts…for the sole reason that they were already here, on US soil.

Trying to place these in the same lot as the Gitmo detainees, or arguing that since we tried Padilla in US court, for example, why not just try all the rest in US courts ignores a very important legal boundary, one that has been upheld by the USSC for decades.

Not a big deal?

Well, if we can make sweeping wholesale changes in law, jurisprudence, and the rights of citizens and US persons by mere diktat of the Administration…what other Rights that we enjoy can not also be summarily disposed of?

Either we are a nation of laws…or we are not.

This is at the core of the fate of the Gitmo detainees.

Ignore it at your own peril.

coldwarrior on May 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Military tribunals have to be made fairer because, in Obama’s America, it’s more important that terrorists be treated fairly than the secured bondholders of Chrysler.

BananaSlug on May 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM

And can anyone find “Geneva Convention” in our Constitution?

In Pockyston, that’s pronounced “Co-von-syo de zhuh-NEV.” Come on, Barry, you’ve got to do more than “merci beaucoup”.

Steve Z on May 15, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Another day, another train wreck of a white house press secretary briefing. Tapper and one other hammering Gibbs on the flip flop and Gibbs stammering worse than Pelosi did yesterday.

guido911 on May 15, 2009 at 2:46 PM

“In this case, it’s a good idea, but it’s definitely a reversal, and one borne of inexperience and hubris.”

And Charlie Gibson thought Sarah Palin had hubris.

Welcome to reality, Barry O !

Now take a deep breath, and a bite of crow, and repeat:

“George W. Bush was right.”

He won’t say it. But we can always dream.

Steve Z on May 15, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Obama’s penchant for opening his mouth before anybody in the White House engages their brains in all likelihood will not result in any serious domestic disasters.

General Motors, Chrysler, Porkulus?

Steve Z on May 15, 2009 at 2:51 PM

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