Why don’t the Democrats dump Pelosi? Update: “If it was a crime, she was part of it”
posted at 5:44 pm on May 14, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Not now, I mean — there’ll have to be some hard proof from the CIA first that she is indeed the pathetic liar the whole country suspects her of being — but assuming that proof is adduced, why not toss her overboard then? The right hates her, the left doesn’t really trust her, and there’s a perfectly capable back-up waiting in Steny Hoyer. From what I understand, Hoyer’s well liked in the House; look no further than the fact that the Democrats elected him majority leader over Murtha, Pelosi’s favored candidate. If they’re serious about passing epochal legislation this year like health care, don’t they want someone in charge who’s friendly with Republicans and can woo GOP votes to provide the Dems with a little political cover? To put it another way, what exactly has Pelosi accomplished lately for the left that Hoyer wouldn’t? One day she’s on TV dumping on the CIA, the next day she’s pushing for torture “truth commissions” that’ll blow up in Obama’s face. She’s more of a liability than an asset. Assuming she’s guilty of having endorsed waterboarding back in the day — which, according to Andy McCarthy, by the left’s own logic could amount to a criminal conspiracy — there’s the pretext for Obama and Reid to invite her to the White House for a “talk.” The question is, what if she refused to go when they asked her? What recourse would they have?
Anyway. The true beauty of this fiasco is that it’s only because the left is so absurdly, radically absolutist on this subject that Pelosi’s in any trouble at all. All she’d need from them in order to be free and clear of this mess is an acknowledgment that, yes, it’s perfectly understandable that her top priority in the year after 9/11 was protecting the country from another attack by any means necessary. She meant well but, in her zealousness, took a step that shouldn’t have been taken. If they said that, she could cop to having okayed waterboarding, issue the obligatory “I was blind but now I see” apology, and the uproar would be over. But progressives could never be that rational about this subject, so she’s left to twist in the wind and deny everything in order to flatter their sanctimony. Delightful.
Update: Via Greg Hengler, here’s Lindsey Graham channeling Andy McCarthy on FNC this afternoon. “If it was a crime, she was part of it.”
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The media will cover for her.
Del Dolemonte on May 14, 2009 at 5:46 PM
cuz its not like she’s Liebs. she’s on their side NOW. she just lied about always being so…
Drunk Report on May 14, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Why don’t the Democrats dump Pelosi?
Why? They are inherently stupid?
coldwarrior on May 14, 2009 at 5:47 PM
wishfull thinking….Christmas does not occur in May…SORRY!
SDarchitect on May 14, 2009 at 5:48 PM
They should dump her. It would be the best thing for the Democrats.
I do think that they will pressure her to step aside, probably before they get rolling on the more difficult parts of ObamaCare.
If she refuses to go, can’t they force her out through some sort of “no confidence” vote in the House?
What are the rules about holding Speaker elections?
myrenovations on May 14, 2009 at 5:49 PM
How do you fix a lie? Change the rule to fit your facts.
Excerpt from the “Unicornian Precept Manual”
BobMbx on May 14, 2009 at 5:49 PM
She is their whipping horse. Pelosi lied… people died. Hmm has a ring to it.
upinak on May 14, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Pelosi and dump are two words that seem to go together naturally.
Daggett on May 14, 2009 at 5:50 PM
I’d love to see it, but I’m not holding my breath. Democrats get away with murder, perjury, theft, plagiarism, and sexual assault because of the media and the liberal lawyers destroying our country.
kirkill on May 14, 2009 at 5:50 PM
The Turkey Neck pictures are starting to make me woozie.
PappaMac on May 14, 2009 at 5:51 PM
What if Obama wanted her dumped? He released the memos, dropping the chum in the water so the sharks could start circling her. I think this is Obama getting rid of Nancy.
Sue on May 14, 2009 at 5:51 PM
All I know is if I was her and I could somehow save face, I’d save a different one. Ahem.
Patrick S on May 14, 2009 at 5:51 PM
This administration will strategically dump her when they are good and ready. She has been marked as a big-name whipping post. She remains useful for the time being.
sherry on May 14, 2009 at 5:51 PM
‘Cause they’re nothing but a bunch of junkies and she’s the smack that gets them high?
SuperCool on May 14, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Pe-lies-i
blatantblue on May 14, 2009 at 5:52 PM
I understand how after 8 years of Bush it could seem radical or irrational to support the rule of law, but it really isnt.
Waterboarding has been known to be torture for the entire time of its existence. It has been prosecuted as torture in US courts.
Torture is illegal in the US.
Thus, if someone waterboards, it is illegal.
It doesnt matter if it was “effective” or if “we were all scared after 9/11″. It was illegal.
I don’t see how it’s radical or irrational to have checks on the illegal actions of our governmental leaders.
orange on May 14, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Just kind of want her to stew and stew.
Not really sure why since the opposition is so useless; but can’t stand the broad (not giving into PC) so let her stew and take out as many as possible with her!
Branch Rickey on May 14, 2009 at 5:52 PM
You cant just dump toxic waste anywhere.
the_nile on May 14, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Dems circle the wagons…and they certainly don’t want to dump a House Speaker. I’ve never considered this a real possibility, unless they decide that ‘torture’ hearings are more important and that she’s too much of a liability to effectively go after Republicans.
Republicans hit the eject button reflexively. But they have to live by different standards…reporting and otherwise. But that’s a different gripe.
Asher on May 14, 2009 at 5:52 PM
I bet they’ll dump her once the RNC rebrands them as socialists. They’ll be quaking in their boots once that happens.
/s
califcon on May 14, 2009 at 5:53 PM
I understand that Hoyer and Rahmbo are the ‘Best of Friends’.
I’m sure it’s a plutonic kinda thing (?)
PappaMac on May 14, 2009 at 5:53 PM
The left wants hearings.
Hearings mean it doesn’t go away.
If it doesn’t go away, then Dems are exposed for having been briefed ad nauseum re torture as well as prewar Iraq intel.
It’s not going away, and it’s definitely damaging and frustrating the left.
I love this!
scottm on May 14, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Power game brewing between Pelosi and Obama.
Will Obama defend CIA or Nancy?
Biden could do the dirty work on this one with another quotable Joe-flub up. But who will Joe flub up on?
albill on May 14, 2009 at 5:56 PM
not if Ogabe wants her gone….making the popcorn now….
I use a PopMagic from Target and Orville lashed with canola…
sven10077 on May 14, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Because pelsi has drunk the bush derangement Kool Aid ?
That is enough for the hardcore left. Obambi is in the same kind of morass.
William Amos on May 14, 2009 at 5:57 PM
So you agree that Tiny Tim Geithner should be in jail for tax evasion. Thanks for clearing that up.
PappaMac on May 14, 2009 at 5:57 PM
She’s a terrible liar, her politics are grotesque and she’s failing.
For progressives, what’s not to like?
Speakup on May 14, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Waterboarding isn’t torture. I’d love to see your case law that’s applicable in this case. I’m not calling you a liar, I’m just unaware of any.
Asher on May 14, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Dems go on the offensive
Its the Lying evil CIA’s fault they didnt tell us the whole truth !
William Amos on May 14, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Exactly.
Wade on May 14, 2009 at 5:59 PM
The Speaker of the House gave a press conference during which she said that the CIA lies to Congress.
If it turns out that she is the one lying, she has to go.
If she is lying, she is trying to undermine our intelligence agency to cover herself.
This is not Newt or Livingstone falling on their own swords over politics. This is national security.
myrenovations on May 14, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Great
William Amos on May 14, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Allah, enjoying himself immensely.
TheUnrepentantGeek on May 14, 2009 at 6:00 PM
getalife may be a troll
but getalife was smart enough to make a backup account during open reg.
blatantblue on May 14, 2009 at 6:00 PM
How bromantic.
Joe Caps on May 14, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Mr. liberal lawyer, if this were true, then why didn’t Pelosi and other progressive lemmings not do something about it 8 years ago? You miss the point again. Pelosi lied. THAT my friend is against the law, or should be, but not if you are a Democrat congressperson.
kirkill on May 14, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Distraction.
Johan Klaus on May 14, 2009 at 6:01 PM
FREE THE CHENEY MEMOS.
bloggless on May 14, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Why won’t the democrats dump her for lying? If your nose grew an inch for every lie, the dims would be the party of Pinnochio. Lyimg to a dim is not really a lie if you believe what your saying is what you want it to be. You have to be a compulsive liar to understand that reasoning, so if you are cnnfused, its a good thing. If your not, you’re probably a democrat. If you are dishonest to the core, what is the difference? Which honest or ethical leader do the dims have that would be any better? See what I mean.
volsense on May 14, 2009 at 6:01 PM
May I borrow this, with attribution? Pretty please :)
Branch Rickey on May 14, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Senator Bob Graham. You know what the CIA lied to me as well
Its contageous.
William Amos on May 14, 2009 at 6:01 PM
The Left can’t budge on this point, or else the OLC lawyers walk free. As do Bush and Cheney.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on May 14, 2009 at 6:02 PM
I don’t see how it’s radical or irrational to have checks on the illegal actions of our governmental leaders.
orange on May 14, 2009 at 5:52 PM
So you agree that Tiny Tim Geithner should be in jail for tax evasion. Thanks for clearing that up.
PappaMac on May 14, 2009 at 5:57 PM
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
txag92 on May 14, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Pelosi is becoming a boil on the White Houses butt.. and it is only going to get worse and fester.
upinak on May 14, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Spew
William Amos on May 14, 2009 at 6:03 PM
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The Domino Theory
bloggless on May 14, 2009 at 6:04 PM
“Nobody puts Granny Botox McRicktus in a corner”!
jjshaka on May 14, 2009 at 6:04 PM
that the “committee does not keep any records” about briefings that leaders of the committee and Congress receive.
But the CIA does.
txag92 on May 14, 2009 at 6:05 PM
There will be more memos leaked, i think…
the_nile on May 14, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Hoyer and Rahmbo are “best of friends.”
Is that your way of saying they were spawned in the same cesspool?
volsense on May 14, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Hoist with one’s own petar[d].
Too delicious!
pain train on May 14, 2009 at 6:06 PM
They never admit fault for anything at anytime. They will rewrite history to insure their lies are taken for the truth by future generations.
Grunt on May 14, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Because Pelosi is the mother figure of the Liberal Party!
They can commit unspeakable horrors,tax evasion,and
male prostitution out of their basements,and good ol’
Nancy the den mother won’t even blink an eye!!
And,after all,they have learned from example!
What a brood that Nancy watch’s over!
canopfor on May 14, 2009 at 6:07 PM
When and where?
Johan Klaus on May 14, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Throwing them all in a jail cell and using “enhanced intel techniques” on Bush, Cheney, and Pelosi would be justice. See how they like it.
The Dean on May 14, 2009 at 6:07 PM
WHo cares about Pelosi… what about this?
Besides, you can’t get rid of the witch unless a house fall on her.
upinak on May 14, 2009 at 6:08 PM
OOOOhhh! Please, please, please! More popcorn! Toss me another beer!
Bruno Strozek on May 14, 2009 at 6:08 PM
AP,
I’ve lost count of the number of times you’ve used the tag Liar under a photo of Pe-lies-i (H/T blatantblue!).
Are you keeping track?
INC on May 14, 2009 at 6:08 PM
But violating the Constitution in order to set the UAW up with it’s very own automobile company, that’s okay with you?
Please. I’d rather be waterboarded for 15 minutes every morning than wake up to the nightmare this country is living through under Obama.
califcon on May 14, 2009 at 6:08 PM
This is all about Hillary getting rid of Pelosi, mark my words. Obama is dealing with a Clinton shadow government for a reason. With the Clintons, nothing is by accident. Evil.
suzyk on May 14, 2009 at 6:09 PM
Won’t happen. The fix is in as long as Panetta is there and Obama is in office.
I just want to personally thank Nancy for pushing her ‘truth squad’ and volunteering to go first!
Texas Gal on May 14, 2009 at 6:10 PM
Hmmmm…maybe somebody needs to take back years of Bush hatred? Which way is it gonna be libs?
DCJeff on May 14, 2009 at 6:10 PM
It will. The House of Representatives.
myrenovations on May 14, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Palamino!
Mr. Joe on May 14, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Obama thinks our long-term debt is unsustainable, and China will get tired of buying it?
Golly gee, who’d a thunk it? Why did he quadruple it?
Steve Z on May 14, 2009 at 6:13 PM
what about this?
upinak on May 14,2009 at 6:08PM.
upinak: Boy,they got their talkin points covered!
Hopey,used unsustainable in his Health Care
Bill as well!
Everything under da sun,for Liberals,has become,
unsustainable!!!!!:)
I hope your day is running tickity-boo,Upinak!:)
canopfor on May 14, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Idon’t see the upside in keeping her. She has shown in the porkulus, TARP I and the budget that she is extra strength Deep Woods vote repellent. She’s pretty bad on T.V.
Ted Torgerson on May 14, 2009 at 6:14 PM
We’re not that lucky ,my tin foil friend- Bill Clinton looks like Theodore Roosevelt right about now
jjshaka on May 14, 2009 at 6:15 PM
I think I want to make a bunker and hide for the next 3 and a half years.
upinak on May 14, 2009 at 6:16 PM
I think Nancy Pelosi is one of the most accomplished liars I’ve ever seen. She just isn’t used to getting caught. That’s what she doesn’t do well… She lies so well she doesn’t even know what the truth is by now… I think convincing yourself is the marked of an accomplished liar.
Remember Clinton? “It depends on what the meaning of is…is.” I’m sure he convinced himself his relationship was not at all questionable. That’s how liars keep going.
petunia on May 14, 2009 at 6:16 PM
I would love to see a detailed and specific list of the laws that Bush allegedly broke. “Trampling on our Constitutional rights” , “Fighting an unjust war”, and “Might have violated me in my sleep” doesn’t count.
On the other hand Obama may have broken the law by accepting donations from foreign sources for his presidential campaign, and may have broken bankruptcy law by forcing a bankrupt Chrysler to pay union obligations before the bond holders. Not bad for a campaign season and four months in office.
I’d also mention the myriad of campaign promises he’s already broken, but those are hardly law so we’ll just ignore those for now (Good enough for the President, good enough for me).
TheMightyMonarch on May 14, 2009 at 6:16 PM
If, as Ed says, it’s all about Obama’s power (and I agree to an extent) then Obama should have a presser and call for her ouster as Speaker.
Then Obama will gather to himself the power to pick ‘CEO’s not only in industry, but in Congress as well.
What could go wrong?
ElRonaldo on May 14, 2009 at 6:17 PM
We could throw water on her. That would be fun even if she didn’t melt.
petunia on May 14, 2009 at 6:17 PM
If she was indeed complicit, she should be prosecuted with the rest of the war criminals. Cheney first.
Constantine on May 14, 2009 at 6:17 PM
If you’re happy, I’m happy, AP. :]
bluelightbrigade on May 14, 2009 at 6:18 PM
True of the whole administration.
With respect to the Blinking Granny, she’s toast. The Demoncraps don’t care who gets caught in the slobbering maw of their naked ambition. She’s the perfect sacrificial lamb: you have to be a hard-core drug-addict to hallucinate any virtue in her at all, and the folks-at-large have absolutely no sympathy for her. She’s a lying, dissembling, slimy politician; virtually a caricature of the self-absorbed, spineless detritus that inhabits the political class. The Dems lose nothing by throwing her under the wheels, and The Chameleon is revving up the bus to do a burn-out on the Pelosi tarmac. Too bad, she’s served the Republicans well.
mr.blacksheep on May 14, 2009 at 6:18 PM
When will you guys and gals understand?
You don’t own the government…LIBERALS do. And there’s nothing new about this. Liberals owned it long before 2006.
You don’t own the media….LIBERALS do.
You don’t own academia……LIBERALS do.
They own the courts, the military, the cities, and they own the Catholic Church. You don’t.
They own Wall Street, Main Street and everything in between.
The old folk song “This Land Is Your Land” hasn’t been true for decades. Conservatives are on the outside looking in, and they are becoming permanently locked out. This land is no longer our land.
It doesn’t matter what Pelosi does. She will prevail.
Can’t you understand that yet? What is it going to take?
jay12 on May 14, 2009 at 6:20 PM
All they can do is demote her. She is from San Francisco. My guess is they are buying everything she is selling.
They won’t put Steny Hoyer in… he’s a white guy… that’s against their morals.
petunia on May 14, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Maybe someone has already mentioned this, but isn’t it possible that this has all been staged by The Messiah in an attempt to dump Pelosi?
We know Pelosi and His Thrillness were not getting along immediately after the nomination. We’ve also been suggesting that the leaking of the memos on torture have “backfired” on our Savior.
Is it possible it hasn’t backfired at all? Is it possible she pissed him off so bad that this is the Lord of Thugness’ attempt at payback for Pelosi refusing to kneel at His feet?
It’s interesting that every time she opens her mouth, another document magically appears to embarrass her further.
She’s done. Another victim of Hugo Politics.
Gregor on May 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Hope. Change. Hiring the same damn people to run the federal government that ran it eight years ago. Yes we can.
TheMightyMonarch on May 14, 2009 at 6:23 PM
Suppose we do understand… what would you have us do? Stand in a corner and cry?
petunia on May 14, 2009 at 6:24 PM
bunker and hide….
upinak on May 14,2009 at 6:16PM.
upinak: Now thats a great idea!
I’m not positive,but I think for every thousand
feet that you go down,the temperature goes up 1
degree!
Upinak,if tou go deep enough,you can have Florida
in Alaska,or hit water!!hehe:)
canopfor on May 14, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Proof?
Johan Klaus on May 14, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Don’t be so sure. The media’s loyalties lie with The One. As soon as she becomes too big of a problem for him, she’s through.
WisCon on May 14, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Be ready for your whole party to go down with him because not only did they all know (The CIA isn’t as stupid as you on the Left think they are, they’ve seen this movie before)they were asking if they could do more. Unlike you clowns, they actually care if they get innocent blood on their hands.
TheBigOldDog on May 14, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Only one problem here…..VPs don’t have any authority. They can’t authorize anything. So, no matter much of a cheerleader Cheney was and/or is concerning placing panties on the heads of admitted killers, he can’t be charged with any crime.
On the other hand, if what was done at GITMO and other places was in fact against the law, and lawmakers had that knowledge, they become conspirators. Since CIA briefings on this subject to Congress was bipartisan….what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, eh?
If Bush is guilty, so is Pelosi.
BobMbx on May 14, 2009 at 6:26 PM
> This land is no longer our land.
Then where do you suggest we go?
Mary in LA on May 14, 2009 at 6:26 PM
She’s a witch! Burn her!
kirkill on May 14, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Complete sentences are helpful.
Constantine on May 14, 2009 at 6:27 PM
> Complete sentences are helpful.
But not necessary, if you’re smart enough to get the context.
Mary in LA on May 14, 2009 at 6:28 PM
They have all the proof they need, in their brainwashed minds.
kirkill on May 14, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Oh, my guess is Cheney has a “get out of jail free” card in his pocket, more commonly known as a Presidential Pardon. No need to advertise it until you have to show it.
BobMbx on May 14, 2009 at 6:28 PM
No one manipulates like rahm and Hussein. She is not placed in there by them and they want their very own in all power slots. They will try to replace her. The House and the Senate are just more departments run by people that should directly report to Obama. If you all haven’t noticed, Rahm is running the administration and the VP and cabinet Posts are merely for show.
seven on May 14, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Texas…
sven10077 on May 14, 2009 at 6:29 PM
After years and years of being bested by them here, there and everywhere, what else is there to do?
I’m just saying that there is no sense deluding ourselves into thinking we are going to somehow “catch” Pelosi. She is capable of turning this around and actually getting Cheney arrested. She could even get the Catholic Church to excommunicate some of their bishops if she saw political advantage.
jay12 on May 14, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Alaska.
kirkill on May 14, 2009 at 6:30 PM
The day she gets demoted to “Backup vice-chairman of the sub-committee on ear wax artistry” will be a sad day: she is precisely the opposite of what anybody who wants to restore this country to glory needs to model themselves upon. Mantra: “If Botox Woman is for it, be against it. If she’s against it, be for it.” It’s a winner. Her greatest contribution to our country would be to be on the front page every day for the next 18 months; the very symbol of liberalism.
mr.blacksheep on May 14, 2009 at 6:30 PM
I think it takes more than brass or self delusion to make an accomplished liar if the Pelosa Nostra is going to lie in the big leagues she’s going to have to do a better job connecting one string of falsehoods with the next, seamlessly, not the blatant bald face lies for which she’s famous.
But then whats a liberal without media bias?
Caught.
Speakup on May 14, 2009 at 6:30 PM
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