two sets of memos that would establish that EIT’s worked

because cheney says so? he’s, you know, not the most credible person on this subject. has anyone confirmed that? it was the CIA’s decision not to comply with cheney’s request anyway.

sesquipedalian on May 14

Uhm Obama ALSO claime’s EIT’s worked.

Barack Obama invokes Churchill in repudiation of CIA ‘torture’

he (Obama ) also rebuffed claims that they were necessary to save lives by yielding vital intelligence on al-Qaeda plots.

Obama: “We could have gotten this information in other ways, in ways that were consistent with our values,” he said, “in ways that were consistent with who we are.”

We could have “gotten this information in other ways”

That would be the information that yielding vital intelligence, yes?

And that vital intelligence saved lives, yes?

Without that conclusion Obama’s words make no sense?

All he’s saying is in HIS OPINION, this information that yielding vital intelligence on al-Qaeda plots, that saved lives, could have been gotten in some other way!

He wasn’t there at the time so what is he basing his opinion on?

it’s not as bad as impeaching a president for lying about oral sex.

sesquipedalian on May 14, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Your intellect is breathtaking in its complete lack of existence.

Plus, we don’t need another round of pointless, politically-driven hearings.

it’s not as bad as impeaching a president for lying about oral sex.

Anyone think that Obama’s regretting the release of the OLC memos now? I’d bet that he’d like a do-over like he got with the photos yesterday.

Haven’t had time to read all the comments, but I’m not so sure about this. Darth Emmanuel and Stenny Hoyer are buds. If Blinky Pelosi goes down, Stenny stands to get her spot — somebody the White House might think they can better work with.

the church committee, the watergate committe and the 9/11 commission do. this is how democracy works, whether the CIA and cheney like it or not.

sesquipedalian on May 14, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Since you mentioned these three…

Sing with me now; “One of these things is not like the other; One of these things doesn’t belong. Can you guess which of these is not like the other, before I finish this song?”

Even for those who disagreed with the outcomes, both the Church committee, and the Watergate committee tried to be a serious inquiry. The 9/11 commission was a joke, from start to finish. Bush Administration officials were hectored, and (as many have pointed out;) one of the commisioners should have been a witness!

Plus, we don’t need another round of pointless, politically-driven hearings.

it’s completely immaterial whether it happened

sesquipedalian on May 14, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Ah, a peek into what passes for sesquipedalian’s mind.

Besides going after the “many footed one”

look that up again

on matters of clarity and fact, still no answerr on which college students have been sent to prison for waterboarding whilst hazing, I was attempting to engage in a discussion of matters of law…

it’s completely immaterial whether it happened – i don’t care to look – because, as i have shown, it’s a felony. is that a clear enough discussion of the law?

This constant harping about frog-marching officials out of the White House in leg irons, or sending federal employees to prison for following the letter of the law, or worse, sending federal lawyers to prison

the harping is in your head, i’m afraid. amnesty/immunity should be granted to anyone willing to speak honestly about what happened. paranoid visions of mao have zero relevance; the church committee, the watergate committe and the 9/11 commission do. this is how democracy works, whether the CIA and cheney like it or not.

Maybe Wichita, KS or Grand Island NE. Those folks are pretty level headed.

cozmo on May 14, 2009 at 10:03 PM

No argument there at all. :-)

And we know you don’t have an answer because you haven’t really thought about it.

Jim Treacher on May 14, 2009 at 9:59 PM

You give it too much credit, I think. Are you sure it is even capable of a rational thought?

I’d prefer the Kansas City phone book myself. You know, smack in the middle of the country. No coastal bias.

coldwarrior on May 14, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Kansas City, MO or Kansas City, KS…Its important ya’ know. Its that whole Jayhawker/Redleg thing. And there are also some hard feelings with parts of Nebraska towards both Kansas City’s.

Maybe Wichita, KS or Grand Island NE. Those folks are pretty level headed.

i’m sorry i know great minds hate to be ignored.

sesquipedalian on May 14, 2009 at 8:33 PM

And we know you don’t have an answer because you haven’t really thought about it.

coldwarrior on May 14, 2009 at 9:42 PM

I was being more than a little facetious…

I don’t think we need any new commissions – you’re right, of course, about that.

And, we have laws and policies in place that mandate that congressional leadership be informed of certain things; it appears that these procedures were followed.

Finally, to your point that there are other fires to fight; you are right about that, as well – so many distractions, so little time!

massrighty on May 14, 2009 at 9:18 PM

I’d prefer the Kansas City phone book myself. You know, smack in the middle of the country. No coastal bias.

Besides going after the “many footed one” on matters of clarity and fact, still no answerr on which college students have been sent to prison for waterboarding whilst hazing, I was attempting to engage in a discussion of matters of law…as they are written…to get to the bottom of this mess, rather than regurgitating the constant emotive appeal to feelings.

Thus, if a President says he will prosecute a federal official…then do it…under law, in full view of the nation. If a member of Congress proposes to do the same, then charge the Executive Branch with fulfilling its obligations under law.

This constant harping about frog-marching officials out of the White House in leg irons, or sending federal employees to prison for following the letter of the law, or worse, sending federal lawyers to prison for merely offering their best legal summation for a problem they were tasked to address by a President, serves no purpose other than to engender contempt for the rule of law and provide food for trolls and pundits on the left who have no other argument in their arsenal other than “Bush Lied!”

If federal laws were broken…then the White House has no other recourse under law than to make public which laws were broken and which federal officials broke them and under what circumstances, a federal grand jury indictment in hand specific to each defendant, and proceed with a public trial, in full view of all America, and under the rules of court allow all those charged to have access to all federal records, memos, and documentation and testimony covering the full scope of all charges made against them.

None of this “truth commisison” pap.

Take it right before the federal bench.

In the absence of that, then the current Administration and the current Congress should best just shut the hell up. There are far far more important things that threaten this nation that need to be addressed and with far more immediacy.

i’m sorry i know great minds hate to be ignored.

sesquipedalian on May 14, 2009 at 8:33 PM

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coldwarrior on May 14, 2009 at 9:10 PM

Coldwarrior, thanks for your clarity, and for your service.
I’m not suggesting any kind of commision on this, but, how about, the next time we need one, we use the Buckley model –

“I’d rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University.” – Wm. F. Buckley.

I’m with him; I’d rather see a random group than the crew that that helmed the 911 commission.

Amnesty? For providing testimony? Not a legal concept that is appropriate to the issue.

Immunity? One is either made immune or one is not. Temporary immunity? Even Lawrence Tribe would have to do contortions to make a case for that sort of thing.

And independent commission? Again…who would be on such a commission? Members of Congress? members of the current administration? The former administration? A draft of fifty American voters? A jury of 50 American voters? NPR?

When we have the Freedom of Choice Act used to cover what is essentially a mechanism to prevent free choice by the Left, one has to look at what they call something before even considering the details. Truth Commission? Stalin and Mao both used these to disguise kangaroo courts which enabled massive purges.

Got anything better?

Del Dolemonte on May 14, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Not yet it would appear. It seems he’s trying to drum up an immunity for McBotox if she just confesses that Cheney put a spell on her to keep quiet after the briefings.

Clearly, you’re lacking some basic knowledge; those who might come forward would want to have immunity, not amnesty.

i obviously meant amnesty, granted for people who come forward within a certain period. but thanks for the correction.

In today’s charged atmosphere, do you really believe honestly that there can be any independent investigation of anything in government?
yes. temporary amnesty to anyone who comes forward.

sesquipedalian on May 14, 2009 at 3:57 PM

I always manage to be late to the thread, after the fun; but, I can’t let this go by…

“temporary amnesty” – really?
Clearly, you’re lacking some basic knowledge; those who might come forward would want to have immunity, not amnesty.
temporary immunity wouldn’t do – who’d decide when the “temporary” period had expired.

Just typing isn’t the same as thinking…

Coldwarrior needs to assign you more homework, along the lines of “practice making your written work appear coherent.”

Jim Treacher on May 14, 2009 at 7:22 PM

i’m sorry i know great minds hate to be ignored.

Got anything better?

Del Dolemonte on May 14, 2009 at 7:31 PM

No, its just another troll, and not very bright at that.

Its just trying to get attacked and banned, so it will have a badge of honor for its fellow lefty erudites to fawn over.