Video: Time for another 800-comment police brutality thread

posted at 8:17 pm on May 13, 2009 by Allahpundit

Via HuffPo, an unusual entry in our long series of cops behaving badly: There’s no doubt that this is, in fact, brutality, but there is some doubt that any serious harm was done. Also, what’s the deal with the press making a big deal about the high-five? It’s not clear if the second cop even saw the kick to the suspect’s face. Looks to me like they’re celebrating having apprehended him, not booting him in the skull.

Still, a nasty blow, and one for which he’ll surely reprimanded. Prediction: Desk duty for three months.

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Richard Rodrguez. Here’s a close up photo:

Oh, he’s a cutie.

Pablo’s ChoirBoy.

Where’d you get that idea? I’m just wondering how you know his criminal history and what he’s involved in. I have no doubt that he’s a douchebag and I’m sure there’s a history, as his was on parole. I just wondered where you got that crack selling, extortion and mugging info. A link would be nice if you have one handy.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Oh yeah. The officer is the bad guy.

Not as bad a guy as the scumbag. But he broke the law, and it’s going to cost the City of El Monte. It’s also going to cause a problem for the people trying to send Rodriguez to prison.

But hey, he enjoyed doing it and you enjoyed watching it! Who cares about the stupid law?

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 9:23 AM

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Your ignorance of the system is obvious AND you believe too many liberal Hollywood movies. Your hero’s actions will not be excused because he was kicked into compliance.

He is going back to jail on a parole violation and the cop will be punished because people like you demand it out of your ignorance of the reality of law enforcement and it makes you feel good to stick it to “The Man”.

csdeven on May 14, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Boy, I’ll bet you two can’t wait for Obama to appoint judges that use their feelings instead of following the law.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 9:27 AM

Not as bad a guy as the scumbag. But he broke the law, and it’s going to cost the City of El Monte. It’s also going to cause a problem for the people trying to send Rodriguez to prison.

But hey, he enjoyed doing it and you enjoyed watching it! Who cares about the stupid law?

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 9:23 AM

He’s going to prison no matter what- he’s on parole. And, no, he’s not going to get a freebie from conviction because he got a love tap at the very end of a very long dangerous car chase. I wouldn’t worry about a law suit too much either.

Blake on May 14, 2009 at 9:27 AM

You weaken the law when you allow people to break it with impunity.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 6:59 AM

Yes, I’m cherry-picking, just as you did with my post.

If the “Law” actually punished these criminals with a sentence that removed them from the streets, we would not be having this discussion.

You may think that this criminal has rights, but I say that the rights of the innocent far outweigh his right to commit crime.

As for his eventual “compliance”, he was being street-smart – not obedient.

OldEnglish on May 14, 2009 at 9:29 AM

csdeven on May 14, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Stop beating me to the punch!

Blake on May 14, 2009 at 9:29 AM

Your ignorance of the system is obvious AND you believe too many liberal Hollywood movies.

Wow. All those years of police work wasted. You’d think I’d have learned something about the system.

the cop will be punished because people like you demand it

His chain of command and the courts will deal with that according to the rule of law, which he broke. And yes, he’s going to get punished. Unless maybe we can get some of those Obama judges in there real quick to empathize their way around the law. You’d like that, wouldn’t you?

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 9:30 AM

But he broke the law, and it’s going to cost the City of El Monte.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 9:23 AM

Maybe. And if it does, it’s because of people like you who have weakened the ability of officers to deal with the dredges of society.

You assume he enjoyed the kicking because that is why you would do it. You’re a frustrated liberal whom can’t get his way.

The officer enjoyed the fact that he did his job and a scum sucking criminal was removed from the street.

Your reaction to this is the proof that you are the NAZI who wants to kick people for pleasure.

My response proves that I simply want the good guys on the street protecting us and the bad guys in jail where they do harm to each other.

csdeven on May 14, 2009 at 9:31 AM

In the interest of fair blogging, Allahpundit should post the photos of these two gangbangers.

Blake on May 14, 2009 at 9:31 AM

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 9:30 AM

You were in police work? Even if I believed you, let me guess, internal investigations where you get to persecute decent officers while never serving a single day protecting the community.

Figures.

csdeven on May 14, 2009 at 9:34 AM

If the “Law” actually punished these criminals with a sentence that removed them from the streets, we would not be having this discussion.

Take it up with Ahnuhld. If Cali could afford to keep people in prison for the length of their sentences, that would be nice. They have a nice 3 strikes law on the books, but not the prison space to enforce it. And a kick in the head from a supercool cop is not an acceptable substitute for prison. What is the guy’s record, btw? Does he have a life rap that he skated on?

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Do us a favor Pablo. Go back to your liberal collage classroom and poison the minds of America’s youths. You clearly are super qualified for that job.

csdeven on May 14, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Figures.

That you’re wrong? Yes, it does figure.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Weak response dude. Real weak.

csdeven on May 14, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Go back to your liberal collage classroom and poison the minds of America’s youths.

Never been in one. And you’re the one that likes to ignore the law in favor of your feelings. So, did you work the phones for Obama too, or did you just vote for him?


FRED!

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 9:37 AM

And if it does, it’s because of people like you who have weakened the ability of officers to deal with the dredges of society.

I didn’t write the laws, dumbass.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 9:38 AM

My response proves that I simply want the good guys on the street protecting us and the bad guys in jail where they do harm to each other.

Are people who break the law good or bad?

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Chris Rock said it best; “Pull over immediately! If the cops have to come get you, they are bringing an a$$-whipping with them.”

lawman2 on May 14, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Allahpundit is always complaining about losing his hair. I wonder if he ever considered tattoos? He could have Livin’ the Life of la Aire Caliente tattooed all around his head. Do it, AP.

Blake on May 14, 2009 at 9:41 AM

I see assault charges coming, not to mention one heck of a settlement from the city. The crook was spread-eagled on the ground and had given up any sign of resisting his arrest. He couldn’t even see the foot coming, and I bet the he has one nasty case of whiplash going on right now.

Don’t misread me… I have no sympathy for the crook that got kicked. and I’m sure that the guy did something to deserve it. One commenter stated that he nearly ran over a woman; if I were the cop and that were the case, I’d be itching for any sign of resistance so that a proper beatdown could commence. The jerk didn’t give any, though, so, sadly, no excess testosterone can get burned off here. The ACLU surely knows it and is surely getting its crew ready, too.

flutejpl on May 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Does he have a life rap that he skated on?

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 9:35 AM

I was referring to his being on parole at the time of this incident.

OldEnglish on May 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM

flutejpl on May 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM

You don’t know what you are talking about. Contrary to what people think, they do not just hand out money for free. He resisted being handcuffed. Someone said that the officer said he kicked the guy in the shoulder. If he thought the guy was getting up to run again, I would say it was a legitimate restraint by the officer. The guy appears to have a red mark on his cheek (looks like lipstick kiss!)- otherwise, no other visible marks.

Blake on May 14, 2009 at 9:52 AM

This scum bag raced up a divided street on the wrong side. Could have killed children. He deserved the kick and the cop should have given him another one. This is B.S these spoiled grown up men commiting stupid acts that can killl whole families at once and some bleeding heart crying cause he was roughed up. They ought to work him over at the station too.

Herb on May 14, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Contrary to what people think, they do not just hand out money for free.

No, they certainly don’t. And I’ll bet the city settles the claim that will soon be filed against them.

If he thought the guy was getting up to run again, I would say it was a legitimate restraint by the officer.

If you watched that video and thought that guy was getting up when he got kicked, then you’ve been smoking what csdeven has been smoking. That stuff is no good for you.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 10:02 AM

No, they certainly don’t. And I’ll bet the city settles the claim that will soon be filed against them.

Nope. That is not how any claim is handled. Stop pretending that you know what you are talking about when it is clearly evident that you don’t.

If you watched that video and thought that guy was getting up when he got kicked, then you’ve been smoking what csdeven has been smoking. That stuff is no good for you.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Since that is not what I wrote, you are the one who shouldn’t get high and post on HA. Jackass.

Blake on May 14, 2009 at 10:15 AM

I hate that this world has come to the point where the cop is wrong in everything they do. Running from a cop should carry an automatic 5 year sentence and maybe 3 kicks in the head. This is ridiculous, I will never understand why someone would want to be a cop. This guy should get charged with everything. From armed with a deadly weapon(his car) to running funny and the cop should be awarded for no one getting killed in the mess. GIVE COPS A BREAK!

Tremmy on May 14, 2009 at 10:18 AM

BTW, if you look closely at the video, at the point where the cop appears to kick the side of the perp’s face, you will note that it was not the force of the blow that caused the movement of the head sideways and away from the cop – it was done by the perp.

As I said above – street-smart.

OldEnglish on May 14, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Perfectly legitimate tactic.

No it is not. Law enforcement officers are trained to deal with this. If this officer did not have that training he should not be out on the street.

Tremmy, cops are not wrong no matter what. Kicking a perp in the head in broad daylight will give the SOB a walk, every time. Then the creep will go out and commit even more crime.

This is a video of a cop with a stress overload, that should have been removed from duty before this happened.

dogsoldier on May 14, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Nope. That is not how any claim is handled.

Really? So this, this, this, this, this, and this never happened? Back away from the bong, genius.

Since that is not what I wrote…

This is what you wrote:

If he thought the guy was getting up to run again, I would say it was a legitimate restraint by the officer.

I hear that smoking dope affects short term memory. Stop before it’s too late!

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Nope. That is not how any claim is handled.

Really? So this, this, (insert spam filter break…)

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 10:37 AM

this, this,

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 10:38 AM

this, and this never happened? Back away from the bong, genius.

Since that is not what I wrote…

This is what you wrote:

If he thought the guy was getting up to run again, I would say it was a legitimate restraint by the officer.

I hear that smoking dope affects short term memory. Stop before it’s too late!

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 10:39 AM

I hate that this world has come to the point where the cop is wrong in everything they do. Running from a cop should carry an automatic 5 year sentence and maybe 3 kicks in the head.

Then get your legislators to pass a law authorizing cops to kick people in the head for running away.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Couldn’t quite make 800 eh?

Anyhow, I think if you run from the law they should be authorized to shoot you. Fleeing show guilt and a disregard for authority.

loudmouth883 on May 14, 2009 at 10:46 AM

Or maybe just to kick people in the head for recklessly driving stolen cars at homicidal speeds against traffic in residential areas while fleeing from police, and then “running away”.

Pablo, if you are so certain that this conduct is an outrage, why downplay the behavior of the perp? It seems to weaken your argument, to me. This reminds me of the “tortue” debate, in that few people here would be screaming “brutality” if the same cop had shot and killed this guy while he was rampaging down the street.

Or do I have that wrong?

Jaibones on May 14, 2009 at 10:49 AM

gay… move along..

gatorboy on May 14, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Having to live and work in El Monte is social brutality…everyone who lives in El Monte is guilty of something…It’s El Monte, claim to fame is “five points”.

right2bright on May 14, 2009 at 10:50 AM

We needs guys like this on the border.

SouthernGent on May 13, 2009 at 8:28 PM

And a media that doesn’t keep playing the sad violins for criminals.

Dark-Star on May 14, 2009 at 10:51 AM

I agree with loudmouth883 to some degree. Here is how my eyes see it, I can drive into cars and drive the wrong way on the streets and put plenty of lives into danger but when an officer approaches me when I surrender he has to take me at my actions that I am an upstanding gentleman that is going to go to prison with ease.

Tremmy on May 14, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Ultimate heartache:

Add directly above AP’s finger-wagging post about police brutality,

“Warning: do not read this if you have moral, ethical, or religious reasons against hurting (or even killing) someone who violently attacks you, your wife, or your kids,” followed directly by a guy knocking out someone in full body pads.

spmat on May 14, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Your idea of police brutality is probably a donut shop raising their prices.

sirmyth on May 14, 2009 at 2:08 AM

I believe that this comment exposes your underlying animus toward policemen in general. Your other comments can now be viewed through the prism of “I hate cops” that we already seemed to sense, somehow. No surprise – putz.

No, not at all. In fact, I’d much rather that he just go to jail and not get a fat check made of taxpayer dollars. You want his defense to have ammunition against the cops and you want him to get paid for that kick in the head. That’s why you endorse this unlawful activity.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Actually, I don’t see how the cop’s actions in any way affect the ability of the prosecution to make their case. The cop should be dealt with by his department in the context of the proper conduct in making an arrest of a presumably dangerous suspect who is not resisting. And in that context, I assume that the cop will be subject to pretty severe criticism.

As for me out here in the streets that this gangster vermin just raged through, I love having cops that gangsters are afraid of, and had they shot him before he got very far everyone involved would have been better off.

As for big checks, that can only happen because of our idiot leftist judges. Why should the perpetrator benefit from the improper actions of the cop? Separate issues.

Jaibones on May 14, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Police dept should pay for the guy’s medical bills. Offending officer should get a few weeks unpaid vacation. Perp should go to jail.

Sorry, don’t feel bad about skeezeball getting steel-toed. He shouldn’t have run in the first place.

spmat on May 14, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Pablo, if you are so certain that this conduct is an outrage, why downplay the behavior of the perp?

What downplaying? The guy is, from all available evidence, a scumbag. He’s clearly committed a felony or three in the events that led up to his arrest. I’d like to see him locked up. But what this cop did is going to make that outcome less likely, and it’s going to make it possible for Mr. Gangbanger to get a taxpayer funded check for his trouble.

What good does kicking him in the head do? The bad it does is easily identifiable, not the least of which is putting the cops in a bad light. So, the cop gets his jollies out of planting a boot in his face and the perp gets a kick in the head. What other result comes out of it? How does that help anybody? What good does it do? Do you think it’s gonna teach him a lesson? Really?

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM

As for big checks, that can only happen because of our idiot leftist judges.

This will probably never get to an idiot leftist judge, because they’ll settle. And when it goes to trial, judges don’t usually give the checks out, juries do. And according to the law, they’re right in doing so in a case like this.

Do we follow and enforce the law or not? The conservative answer is yes.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 11:17 AM

IMHO, this is a tough call. The film shows the perp driving the wrong way down a divided road, nearly having a head-on collision with a law-abiding driver, a hit-and-run with a parked car, then when he pulled over he ran from police for about a quarter-mile, and only gave up when he was trapped in a fenced-in yard. He was definitely a “flight risk”, since had already fled in his car and on foot.

The first cop to arrive on foot (the one who eventually kicked him) had him face-down at gunpoint, but was waiting for backup so the perp could be handcuffed (a one-on-one wrestling match between a cop and a perp could be dangerous for the cop). It’s easy for an “armchair cop” watching this video to say that the cop should have kept the gun trained on him without kicking him until backup arrived, but the questions become:

1) How long did it take for the other cops to arrive on the scene, and was there a flight risk in the meantime?

2) Did the cop who kicked the perp believe he might try to get up and run before backup arrived, in which case kicking the perp would be less brutal than shooting him? The perp does seem to be a fast runner, possibly faster than the cop, and the first cop may have feared that the perp might escape.

3) Was the perp armed, and could he have shot the cop in a one-on-one gunfight?

One question that should be asked of the cop–why was he standing in front of the perp, near his head, while pointing the gun? Couldn’t he have stood behind the perp, out of sight, while shouting “Police!”, while holding the gun to his back, ready to tackle the perp if he tried to get up and run?

Steve Z on May 14, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 10:38 AM
Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Dumbass: One, who gives a shit what they do in other jurisdictions? Two, they do not just settle claims. All are initially rejected on the very last day the government agency has to respond to them. The plaintiff must then file a law suit. In further negotiations, most police brutality settlements are rejected by the defense. Those that proceed to trial, the plaintiff generally loses. If you think this asshole is going to get any money out of this, you’re nuts.

This is what you wrote:

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 10:39 AM

That’s right, asshole. But it was not what you said/implied I wrote. Apparantly, you lack the neurons to tell the difference. (Get a kick in the head running with your homies?) You have yet to hear from the officer what he saw from his pov. You don’t have a clue what is and is not proper police procedures. Yet, you desperately want people to think you do. People aren’t that stupid. Go back to DU where you belong, loser.

Blake on May 14, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Couldn’t he have stood behind the perp, out of sight, while shouting “Police!”, while holding the gun to his back, ready to tackle the perp if he tried to get up and run?

Steve Z on May 14, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Right. Then the gangbanger could grap his firearm. Maybe, he wanted the guy to see that he had his gun out and ready to shoot him if he continued to resist?

Blake on May 14, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Do we follow and enforce the law or not? The conservative answer is yes.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 11:17 AM

The police officer has not been charged or convicted of a crime. Only leftards convict the police and deny them the rights of everyone else. Go back to DU, donk!

Blake on May 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM

How long did it take for the other cops to arrive on the scene, and was there a flight risk in the meantime?

The guy had run through yards with barriers etc. The first officer had no idea if the other officers knew where they were. I doubt if he knew the house number of the yard he was in.

Blake on May 14, 2009 at 11:29 AM

Was the perp armed, and could he have shot the cop in a one-on-one gunfight?

The officer would have no way of knowing for certain until he searched him.

Blake on May 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM

A car is a deadly weapon.

LtE126 on May 14, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Jaibones,

Actually, I don’t see how the cop’s actions in any way affect the ability of the prosecution to make their case.

The first thing they’re going to have to do is justify the initial stop, which was a simple traffic stop. And to do that, you’re going to need a credible cop. This guy will get his ass kicked by a defense lawyer.

Steve Z,

The first cop to arrive on foot (the one who eventually kicked him) had him face-down at gunpoint, but was waiting for backup so the perp could be handcuffed (a one-on-one wrestling match between a cop and a perp could be dangerous for the cop).

That’s what he should have done, not what he did. Watch the video again. He holsters his weapon and starts cuffing the guy before anyone else arrives. Bonehead move #2.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 11:34 AM

The police officer has not been charged or convicted of a crime.

Nor has a claim been filed against the city yet. Tell me again how those never get settled! That was funny.

Only leftards convict the police and deny them the rights of everyone else.

I won’t be convicting him of anything. But his Chief, also a cop, will sit his ass down at the very least. That would make the Chief a moonbat, I guess. (How are things in the Community Based Reality these days?) What right is it you think he’s being denied? Let me remind you that you’re the one who thinks public servants should be able to act outside of the law. You must love Obama pillaging Detroit.

Go back to DU, donk!

I’ve been at HA since Day One. You?

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Is it standard procedure in the town shown to boot someone in the head after he’s surrendered and laying prone on the ground, so as to be sure all the fight is out of him? If so, is there a copy of that training manual floating around somewhere?

I don’t think one has to be a bleeding-heart liberal to recognize that adrenaline short-circuited this officer’s judgement, and kicking him in the head probably wasn’t the best way to handle the situation.

JohnTant on May 14, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Perfectly legitimate kick. If I consider you a deadly threat, I can ensure a much less violent outcome if I stun you with a kick to the head or temporarily blind you. Perfectly legitimate.

To hell with any of you Monday morning quarterbacks who willfully disregard the right of police officers to go home and see their familys every night. Putrid and smug selective morality clowns, the lot of you.

Western_Civ on May 14, 2009 at 11:52 AM

To Whom It May Concern,

The kick to the head/face was unnecessary in that it was more force than was necessary to arrest the subject. So, judging by the legal standard to which officers are held when making an arrest, it was excessive force.

Sorry, Bro. Time to take your medicine on this one.

Sincerely,
Cop of 9 years AND a supervisor

P.S. – the high-five, while it doesn’t look good to the general public who can’t possibly understand what those officers were going through at the time, was just fine.

RedNewEnglander on May 14, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Maybe he slipped, and his foot went up and accidentally caught that guy in the teeth.
Normally I am all for the police to throw a back talking idiot to the ground…I even gave a pass to the cop that pulled the gun and fired on the guy in the subway because of the immediate scuffle, accidents happen.
But this guy was on the ground, sprawled out in a defenseless position, and the cop tried to score a point after touchdown, when the game was over.
Penalty…and remove him from the game, a few months on the desk and some counseling.

right2bright on May 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Perfectly legitimate kick. If I consider you a deadly threat, I can ensure a much less violent outcome if I stun you with a kick to the head or temporarily blind you. Perfectly legitimate.

Better yet, he should have shot shot him a few times. Right? Can’t be too careful.

Idiot.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Yeah, hard to get around it. That was just plain wrong.

morganfrost on May 14, 2009 at 12:00 PM

It’s time for you products of the 60’s nut job thinking to respect the law and give up a few minutes of control for the sake of community harmony.

csdeven on May 14, 2009 at 8:48 AM

No it is not time to give up my freedom, fascist.

P.S. I did you a favor by not quoting the rest of your post because of how retarded it was.

sirmyth on May 14, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Yeah, he probably should have known better, what with the helicopter hovering overhead.

If this cop gets suspended, he’s invited to come spend some time in Boston with my family – seeing the sights, etc.

Illegal or not, the kick was deserved and maybe, just maybe, it got the synapses in this dirt bag’s brain firing properly.

gopmom on May 14, 2009 at 12:08 PM

How do you trust a man that just ran, when he surrenders. The man is a threat to run until in cuffs based on his actions of 30 seconds prior.

Tremmy on May 14, 2009 at 12:09 PM

You have a suspect, completely prone.

He’s surrendered.

He weighs about 140 lbs, soaking wet.

What a more-perfect time to kick someone with your steel-toed boot?

Don’t worry: people will rationalize that your job entitles you to relieve your frustrations on those in your custody.

The very time you need to be at your MOST professional is when you’re in a high-stress situation. That’s the core of being a law enforcement officer.

DarthBrooks on May 14, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Perfectly legitimate kick. If I consider you a deadly threat, I can ensure a much less violent outcome if I stun you with a kick to the head or temporarily blind you. Perfectly legitimate.

Better yet, he should have shot shot him a few times. Right? Can’t be too careful.

Idiot.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Pablum, I supposed you’d like the video a whole lot more if the perp wrestled control of the cop’s gun and shot him a few times at point blank range. Then you’d moan, ‘Hey, it’s the cop’s own fault, he didn’t practice proper self-defense.’ You, madam, are a wretched soul.

Western_Civ on May 14, 2009 at 12:19 PM

How do you trust a man that just ran, when he surrenders. The man is a threat to run until in cuffs based on his actions of 30 seconds prior.

Tremmy on May 14, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Lay face down on the ground, spreadeagled, hands behind your back…and let’s see how fast you can get up and run.
And yes, he is a threat to run, which is why he was placed in a face down, spread eagle position, to stop that threat…the kick in the face was dessert?

right2bright on May 14, 2009 at 12:20 PM

OMGIZZLESTICKS I HATE COPS!!…just kidding..big deal…I have a friend like that who could use a kick in the head.

EnochCain on May 14, 2009 at 12:22 PM

This 140lb guy can do whatever he wants but has actions prior to his surrender make him a threat until completely apprehended.
Driving 3300lb vehicle the wrong way while speeding, endangering an entire neighborhood, resisting arrest, stolen vehicle, the crash, and still running.

Tremmy on May 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Pablum, I supposed you’d like the video a whole lot more if the perp wrestled control of the cop’s gun and shot him a few times at point blank range. Then you’d moan, ‘Hey, it’s the cop’s own fault, he didn’t practice proper self-defense.’ You, madam, are a wretched soul.

Western_Civ on May 14, 2009 at 12:19 PM

You tell me how a man, face down, spreadeagled, hands behind his back, wrestles a gun from a police officer? While the police office is standing, several feet away with a gun trained on him?
Tell me in detail how that happens…I can hardly wait for your description of this epic battle…

right2bright on May 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM

His boot slipped!

It’s like they say, “We get what we pay for.” Adrenaline doesn’t mix with fat union cops. Where is it written that a community can’t hire a private police force?

The kid is a better runner than he is a driver, he’s fast as shit … what a waste of talent.

kregg on May 14, 2009 at 12:24 PM

and still running.

Tremmy on May 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM

You must be looking at a different video…he wasn’t running, he was on the ground, with his face in the grass, hands behind his back…

right2bright on May 14, 2009 at 12:25 PM

“Office, may I suggest using your night stick” – Billy Ray Valentine

Zorg on May 14, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Pablum, I supposed you’d like the video a whole lot more if the perp wrestled control of the cop’s gun and shot him a few times at point blank range. Then you’d moan, ‘Hey, it’s the cop’s own fault, he didn’t practice proper self-defense.’ You, madam, are a wretched soul.Western_Civ on May 14, 2009 at 12:19 PM

You tell me how a man, face down, spreadeagled, hands behind his back, wrestles a gun from a police officer? While the police office is standing, several feet away with a gun trained on him?
Tell me in detail how that happens…I can hardly wait for your description of this epic battle…

right2bright on May 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM

It’s obvious you grew up safely in the suburbs and never witnessed lightning fast criminal reflexes closeup. You’ve never seen a guy reach for a cop’s gun, you’ve never seen a guy slip his cuffs in the blink of an eye and sprint away, and you’ve never seen a guy use his head to butt someone into a stagger.

What can I tell someone who has a cookie-cutter concept of everyday life? Nothing.

Western_Civ on May 14, 2009 at 12:35 PM

372 comments? This thread is FAIL! Unlike DiGiorno, this doesn’t deliver.

Apologetic California on May 14, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Pablum, I supposed you’d like the video a whole lot more if the perp wrestled control of the cop’s gun and shot him a few times at point blank range.

No, I’d like it a whole lot better if the cop acted in a professional manner.

Then you’d moan, ‘Hey, it’s the cop’s own fault, he didn’t practice proper self-defense.’

See, if you said that to my face, I’d be thinking about kicking you in the head, and you’d deserve it. But again, I prefer professionalism. It keeps things from getting unnecessarily messy.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 12:41 PM

It’s obvious you grew up safely in the suburbs and never witnessed lightning fast criminal reflexes closeup.

So why did he holster his weapon and put his hands on the guy before his backup arrived, Mr. Law Enforcement Expert?

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Oh, and criminals have way faster reflexes than mere mortals. True fact. I saw it on the internet.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 12:43 PM

I live in Philly, criminals here just shoot at anything cops, gangsters, kids, old people. I have been here my entire life and have many friends that work for the Phila police. They drive around all day with their lights on. Traffic stops=shoot out, corner store for lunch= shoot out, just look at the papers. They touch someone or say something=fired. Absolutely no support for cops= criminals committing more crimes. This is why a kick in the head means very little to me. Perfect world this guy wouldn’t commit any of the 40 crimes that he did in 1 hour and wouldn’t have been kicked in the head. Guess it does matter where you live though.

Tremmy on May 14, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Then you’d moan, ‘Hey, it’s the cop’s own fault, he didn’t practice proper self-defense.’

See, if you said that to my face, I’d be thinking about kicking you in the head, and you’d deserve it. But again, I prefer professionalism. It keeps things from getting unnecessarily messy.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Pablum, Interesting..You admit your impulse is violence toward mere words you object to, yet you begrudge defensive violence tactics for a PO when he’s actually at risk of harm. Did you apprentice with Nancy Pelosi, or do you just dress like her?

Done with you.

Western_Civ on May 14, 2009 at 12:50 PM

You admit your impulse is violence toward mere words you object to, yet you begrudge defensive violence tactics for a PO when he’s actually at risk of harm.

Professionalism. Look it up.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 12:51 PM

We don’t know…the cop could have been a place kicker in school..total confusion.

EnochCain on May 14, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Professionalism. Survival. Look it up.
Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 12:51 PM

You’re welcome.

Western_Civ on May 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Western_Civ on May 14, 2009 at 12:50 PM

I think you missed his point.

JohnTant on May 14, 2009 at 12:59 PM

JohnTant on May 14, 2009 at 12:59 PM

The cop didn’t miss his head.

EnochCain on May 14, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Procedure, professionalism, and in the end you come up with nothing because never in your life will you ever put yourself in the position of the cop or criminal. Criminal is running because he doesn’t want to go to jail to the extent that he will risk his life and anyone that gets in his way to not go. The cop just witnessed his life and the life of innocent people at risk. He decides that a swift kick was a good way to make sure no more troubles and apprehension is done easy.

Tremmy on May 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Seriously though..I applaud the cop because frankly I would have beaten the crap out of the guy…not just a swift kick to the head.

EnochCain on May 14, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Betcha this clown didn’t know he’d steal a car and win the lottery on the same day.

rockhead on May 14, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Procedure, professionalism, and in the end you come up with nothing because never in your life will you ever put yourself in the position of the cop or criminal.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I’ve been the cop. You might also want to check out RedNewEnglander on May 14, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Criminal is running…

Not when he got the boot to the head.

He decides that a swift kick was a good way to make sure no more troubles and apprehension is done easy.

That peashooter in his hand and the three cops coming behind him are an even better way. They’re also the legal way.

His life was not in danger when he delivered the kick because of the perp assuming the position combined with the fact that he had the ability to make the perp a dead guy at any instant in which it would have been appropriate. But he did put himself in possible danger when he holstered his weapon and put his hands on the guy before his backup arrived. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Seriously though..I applaud the cop because frankly I would have beaten the crap out of the guy…not just a swift kick to the head.

Yeah, who cares how much it costs his employers, or whether it gives the dirtbag a chance to squirm out of the charges and be back on the street? His feelings are the important thing! And if he feels like kicking a prone perp in the head (on camera, no less!), then bravo!

Um, no.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 1:14 PM

It’s obvious you grew up safely in the suburbs and never witnessed lightning fast criminal reflexes closeup. You’ve never seen a guy reach for a cop’s gun, you’ve never seen a guy slip his cuffs in the blink of an eye and sprint away, and you’ve never seen a guy use his head to butt someone into a stagger.

What can I tell someone who has a cookie-cutter concept of everyday life? Nothing.

Western_Civ on May 14, 2009 at 12:35 PM

So the guy laying on the ground, face down, spread eagled, with the cop about 6 feet away with a gun drawn…the suspect leaps to his feet from the prone position (try that right now), head butts the cop, and steals his the cops gun…this is the guy who allows the cop to come up and kick him in the face?
It takes about 4 seconds for a prone man with his hands behind his back to get to his feet, then he has to move towards the cop with a drawn gun to head butt him….you have been watching to many “kung fu” movies.
Your post must be sarcastic.

It’s obvious you grew up safely in the suburbs and never witnessed lightning fast criminal reflexes closeup.

That quote really cracked me up…you have been watching way too many movies…put down the popcorn and back away.
The answer is yes, ever been in South Central LA, ever been on Santa Barbara Street at midnight, 54st, Figueroa, Western, ever work in a gas station in Inglewood, near Century Blvd.? Ever go into a store and see the owners mothers brains blown out against the liquor bottles because she panicked and didn’t open the register quick enough (Suzie, God rest her soul), or a box boy in a Boy’s market in South Central, just weeks after receiving his scholarship, and have his guts blown out with a shotgun for the same reason?
Yeah, or a knife drawn on you in an ABC store market parking lot, and lucky to have a box as a guard, and lucky to have the manager run out with a bat and pummel the guy as he was trying to stick me with his knife…I grew up in the suburbs…around Western, Figueroa, Jefferson, Adams…and then worked there for over 10 years….and you? An expert in violent movies?
The guy was on the ground, submitted, game was over, and the cop took a cheap shot for no reason.
…but wait, he lept to his feet with lighting like reactions, head butted the cop, slipped his restraints, stole the cops gun, and ran off with the cops girlfriend, who just happened to be an undercover agent, and CIA agent, previously married to the…

right2bright on May 14, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Go back to DU, donk!

Blake on May 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM

I would recommend he go “back” to DU just as soon as you take your goosestepping ass back to Stormfront.

JohnGalt23 on May 14, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Dude, this dumbass is going to be back on the street regardless so I do not see the point…like I said before my friend could use a kick to the head…arrested 22 times and out every single time…tough love and all of that.

EnochCain on May 14, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Good thing the guy didn’t get a more severe beating. Better to take a boot to the head and know that the cop’s not fooling around than to take several beatings with a baton or tazed. Should have rolled him over and gave him a drop kick to the groin, too.

After seeing the guy speeding down the wrong side of the street into oncoming traffic, I think the cop was justified.

JOHNNYB on May 14, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Dude, this dumbass is going to be back on the street regardless so I do not see the point…

How many strikes does he have? This is a couple of felonies. If he walks on them because the cop can’t control himself, that could mean dodging a 25 to life hitch. That’s the point.

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Can’t…can’t we all…just…get along?!

EnochCain on May 14, 2009 at 1:20 PM

my eyes are used to seeing headlines that read “Another Philadelphia police officer has been gunned down in the line of duty” Different places=different opinions and def different type of law enforcement agents. And no one can argue that. Don’t know where you are a cop RedNewEnglander, no matter where I respect your service, but you leave your house a little differently then the cops in the “City of Bloody Hell”

Tremmy on May 14, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Yes, and the good Lord knows he will go straight after this.

EnochCain on May 14, 2009 at 1:20 PM

You know, people doing life in prison find Jesus all the time. :)

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 1:25 PM

After seeing the guy speeding down the wrong side of the street into oncoming traffic, I think the cop was justified.

On what basis? Is it the cop’s job to administer punishment?

Pablo on May 14, 2009 at 1:27 PM

I look at it like this. Don’t break the law and you won’t get your arse kicked. Period! I have no sympathy for people like that guy.

TrickyDick on May 14, 2009 at 1:30 PM

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