US speeding towards financial crash

posted at 9:24 am on May 13, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Two related stories signaled investors today to push the dollar lower in overseas trading last night.  First, former GAO chief David Walker notes a bond warning from Moody’s that US Treasury bonds may lose their top rating — and that could cost us dearly:

Long before the current financial crisis, nearly two years ago, a little-noticed cloud darkened the horizon for the US government. It was ignored. But now that shadow, in the form of a warning from a top credit rating agency that the nation risked losing its triple A rating if it did not start putting its finances in order, is coming back to haunt us.

That warning from Moody’s focused on the exploding healthcare and Social Security costs that threaten to engulf the federal government in debt over coming decades. The facts show we’re in even worse shape now, and there are signs that confidence in America’s ability to control its finances is eroding.

Prices have risen on credit default insurance on US government bonds, meaning it costs investors more to protect their investment in Treasury bonds against default than before the crisis hit. It even, briefly, cost more to buy protection on US government debt than on debt issued by McDonald’s. Another warning sign has come from across the Pacific, where the Chinese premier and the head of the People’s Bank of China have expressed concern about America’s longer-term credit worthiness and the value of the dollar.

Why does McDonald’s make a better risk?  McDonald’s doesn’t run massive deficits.  And the Chinese are right to be worried about their investments, as the AP reports on how much worse those deficits will become, and much sooner than the political class admitted:

Social Security and Medicare are fading even faster under the weight of the recession, heading for insolvency years sooner than previously expected, the government warned Tuesday. Social Security will start paying out more in benefits than it collects in taxes in 2016, a year sooner than projected last year, and the giant trust fund will be depleted by 2037, four years sooner, trustees reported.

Medicare is in even worse shape. The trustees said the program for hospital expenses will pay out more in benefits than it collects this year, just as it did for the first time in 2008. The trustees project that the Medicare fund will be depleted by 2017, two years earlier than the date projected in last year’s report.

The trust funds — which exist in paper form in a filing cabinet in Parkersburg, W.Va. — are bonds that are backed by the government’s “full faith and credit” but not by any actual assets. That money has been spent over the years to fund other parts of government. To redeem the trust fund bonds, the government would have to borrow in public debt markets or raise taxes.

As the boss recalls this morning, George Bush tried in 2005 to warn about the looming crisis in entitlements.  What kind of response did that get?  Democrats like Harry Reid accused Bush of fearmongering and panic, and assured Americans that “the so-called Social Security crisis exists in only one place — the minds of Republicans.  In reality, the program is on solid ground for decades to come.”

Obviously not.  Last month, I noted several more of those Democratic demurrals in 2005, along with the news that Social Security surpluses have already disappeared.  As I wrote earlier, Treasury’s website shows that we lost money in February for the first time ever — and that will only get worse as the economy slows, unemployment rises, and more people start drawing Social Security.

Why did this hit the dollar today?  If the US loses its top rating as a bond issuer — which really only means as a borrower — we will have to pay higher interest rates on our bonds in order to attract investors.  This has already started to happen even with the top rating, but a markdown will force the issue.  That will make our debt service significantly higher than we anticipated at either the OMB or the CBO, and these deficit projections will start extending a lot farther downward in the next couple of years:

Not only will the deficits increase, the cost of deficits will increase, and eventually the debt service will become the biggest part of the federal budget — unless Washington massively increases taxes to close the gap.

And that is why Tea Parties have erupted across America.  The free-spending policies of today will lead to massive taxation or collapse in the near future, and anyone with a calculator and an iota of sense can see it.

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You just can’t control yourself, can you?

ladyingray on May 13, 2009 at 10:08 AM

He’s been scratched by too many a cougar…

Upstater85 on May 13, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Given your framing, stupid. They have an entire thought and data structure that backs up their tendencies towards redistribution and safety nets. They’ve internally made it all work, the failures of raw capitalism, the essential responsibility of government to care for the very poor…these beliefs come as a full package, one that justifies all those tendencies with actual data, however skewed.

The GOP has reality on its side in this fight. That they threw that by the wayside in a misguided attempt at total political dominance is a more grievous policy failure than the party of welfare twisting into knots defending it.

ernesto on May 13, 2009 at 9:54 AM

See, I can’t let the Democrats get by with simply being “stupid”, especially with one of their respected members (Sen. Moynihan) talking about this 30 years ago. And I’m not a Republican, so I do not have a dog in the “which party is worse” fight. Anyone who tries to buy votes today by promising to pay on Tuesday (or through the next generation) is bad.

Don’t make this a Democrat vs. Republican thing. Make it a fiscal realist vs. a pie in the sky thing. Republicans did have a shot in 2001-2006, and blew it, but that is no defense to what is happening now. What’s going on now is worse, racking up deficits that at the least are going to be worse than the worst under anyone else.

rbj on May 13, 2009 at 10:09 AM


We really have to step away from the Keynsian, welfare-state, economic model.

It’s killing us.

I regret the fact that his ideas ever came to be.

blatantblue on May 13, 2009 at 9:27 AM

Spoken for truth. More Brilliant Men (Mises I am looking at you :) ) were turn aside for this socialist clap trap.

Dritanian on May 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM

The first warning I heard about this was from a b-roll actor in a speech in May of 1963; a fellow by the name of Ronald Reagan. It’s a problem that has been ignored by both parties for two generations; the time line on when it would strike (Baby Boomers moving into retirement) has been known for as long. The bill comes due and there’s nothing left to pay it (except maybe the land owned by the federal government).

michaelo on May 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM

Be prepared to protect your home – and bury CASH GOLD in the yard.

jake-the-goose on May 13, 2009 at 9:48 AM

FIFY.

newton on May 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM

You just can’t control yourself, can you?

ladyingray on May 13, 2009 at 10:08 AM

Nope

blatantblue on May 13, 2009 at 10:13 AM

1 Billions dollars, and 5 million a year, is more then enough for anyone to live off of…

right2bright on May 13, 2009 at 9:33 AM

It won’t be once Ogabe’s inflation starts to take effect. $1billion probably won’t get you a loaf of bread.

mr.blacksheep on May 13, 2009 at 10:13 AM

I am waiting for the one time 25% tax on all retirement funds. I think it is coming sooner than later. Time for an overseas bank account.

bopbottle on May 13, 2009 at 10:13 AM

It’s too late for ideological arguments. That war is lost. It’s past time to think about survival.

Bugler on May 13, 2009 at 10:16 AM

I guess it’s like I told my friends, if the worst case happens at least I’m well armed and I’ll just take what I want. So I guess the US can do the same thing.

VikingGoneWild on May 13, 2009 at 10:08 AM

Yep, armed encampments….The gas will run out real quick and solidiers sworn to uphold the Constitution will not fight their own people. The Socialists will mount an armed offensive but we should be able to wipe them up in a few days.

izoneguy on May 13, 2009 at 10:16 AM

I am waiting for the one time 25% tax on all retirement funds. I think it is coming sooner than later. Time for an overseas bank account.

bopbottle on May 13, 2009 at 10:13 AM

He’s hired more agents to look for “tax avoiders”….frankly illegal immigration to Canuckistan is looking pretty good right now

sven10077 on May 13, 2009 at 10:16 AM

well it took 70 odd years but FDR and liberalism are set to finally destroy this nation. That’s the problem with liberalism it takes years to be seen as a failure. Take FDIC for instance. FDIC was to blame for the finacial collapse of 2008. It was FDIC that changed the way banks dealt with the public. It changed banks from one of safety to one of risk taking. It took generations for it to occur. For each generation of bank CEO to slowly forget to protect the savings and instead go for the yeild to attract deposits. FDIC killed the banking industry it just took 70 years for it to happen. Same goes for SS. Medicare only took 40 years because it was even a bigger boondogle than SS and FDIC. I can imagine how fast Obamacare will do us in. Maybe less than 10 years and we are toast.

I am so damn mad at the politicians. I never asked for a dime from them. i never wanted SS, I didn’t want FDIC, I don’t want medicare nor do i want medicaid. I don’t want nor need unemployment insurance. I simply want the gov to leave me alone and let me live my life in freedom.

Get off my lawn you damn statists.

unseen on May 13, 2009 at 10:16 AM

it’s Boosch’s fault!

kirkill on May 13, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Dritanian on May 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM

sad — aint it

blatantblue on May 13, 2009 at 10:17 AM

I am waiting for the one time 25% tax on all retirement funds. I think it is coming sooner than later. Time for an overseas bank account.

bopbottle on May 13, 2009 at 10:13 AM

I was always bitter about how my wife and I blew through our funds before putting them away for retirement. Now we’re going to be broke like everyone else, but at least we can look at the pictures of the great times we had ;)

In the Ogabe nation, savers are fools.

mr.blacksheep on May 13, 2009 at 10:19 AM

So what should we do? It’s one thing to point blame, it’s another to have a solution.

jonknee on May 13, 2009 at 10:19 AM

The central bankers are laughing their butts off. They successfully co-opted FDR to enslave the population with SS in order to get the credit the nation needed during the Great Depression. It was their trump card. Enslaving future generation to their evil debt.

When everyone finally wakes up they will see the purposeful cause is the Federal Reserve and all it’s proxies such as Wall Street, Goldman Sachs, AIG, etc.

True_King on May 13, 2009 at 10:21 AM

So what should we do? It’s one thing to point blame, it’s another to have a solution.

jonknee on May 13, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Turn the red redder….

if/when secession comes build a better mousetrap that does not run on unicorn methane

sven10077 on May 13, 2009 at 10:23 AM

In the Ogabe nation, savers are fools.

mr.blacksheep on May 13, 2009 at 10:19 AM

As are producers…

ladyingray on May 13, 2009 at 10:23 AM

So what should we do? It’s one thing to point blame, it’s another to have a solution.

jonknee on May 13, 2009 at 10:19 AM

STOP SPENDING
BUSINESS TAX CUTS
SECURE THE BORDER
For a start!

faol on May 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM

STOP SPENDING
BUSINESS TAX CUTS
SECURE THE BORDER
For a start!

faol on May 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM

+ TORT REFORM!

kirkill on May 13, 2009 at 10:26 AM

So what should we do? It’s one thing to point blame, it’s another to have a solution.

Have you thought about how you’re going to heat your home next winter?

Bugler on May 13, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Go ahead Obama just throw more money away . . . when your broke and hopeless what difference does it make if you throw bad money after bad. This guy is absolutely inept and he’s on the road to completely destroy us.

rplat on May 13, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Bugler on May 13, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Burn our worthless dollars.

faol on May 13, 2009 at 10:34 AM

faol on May 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM

None of those have an effect on SS. Depending on what tax cut you want for businesses it could actually increase the deficit.

Have you thought about how you’re going to heat your home next winter?

Bugler on May 13, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Yes. By opening the windows, I live in FL.

jonknee on May 13, 2009 at 10:35 AM

The Moonbat Magic Eight Ball says:

Iherited problem. Peace, out!

mossberg500 on May 13, 2009 at 10:36 AM

unseen on May 13, 2009 at 10:16 AM

Exactly why the civilian nation has armed up. This so called plan is unsustainable. What will they do? Will they come after our personal assets?

Honestly, who really knows to what extent the plan actually takes government power levels to. I can tell you this much, people in my part of the country are fighting mad…

Keemo on May 13, 2009 at 10:38 AM

My father, (born 1916, died 2004) told me from the time I was a child that Social Security was a Ponzi scheme. He also calculated that he had received everything back that he had paid in, beginning in 1937, in less than 18 months after he retired in 1981. I’m sure he would want me to thank all of you for those additional 23 years of payments you gave him. For those who may not know, when SS began paying out benefits, you had to be 65 to collect. The average life expectancy in this country was 62. But that was courtesy of FDR, an early Marxist president in the party of Karl Marx.

oldleprechaun on May 13, 2009 at 10:38 AM

And Obama steps up to the podium and says:

“Let’s get this healtcare bill passed in a hurry. This is the reason parts of the deficit are running so high is because of health care cost”

By all means Mr. Obama, the/our government has lost control of SS and Medicare—-let’s let the government run healt care.

Obama’s political capital is running towards the red faster than these programs. Can we hope that Obama runs out first?

Rovin on May 13, 2009 at 10:40 AM

I simply want the gov to leave me alone and let me live my life in freedom.

Get off my lawn you damn statists.

unseen on May 13, 2009 at 10:16 AM

Love, freedom, individuality. How I pursue my happiness. But apparently not everyone’s cup of tea.

I know you’ve made one journey already. I hope you don’t have to make a second.

JiangxiDad on May 13, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Is there any doubt that Obama is intentionally wrecking our economy? As Glenn Reynolds asks, if he’s not doing it intentionally now, what would he be doing differently if he were?

t.ferg on May 13, 2009 at 10:44 AM

shouldn’t we be talking about gay marriage and gay military service? Isn’t that what’s important?

ThackerAgency on May 13, 2009 at 10:46 AM

The big question: will President Pantywaist ram through his socialized medicine program before the coming public opinion backlash over the economy?

OhioCoastie on May 13, 2009 at 10:46 AM

For those who may not know, when SS began paying out benefits, you had to be 65 to collect. The average life expectancy in this country was 62. But that was courtesy of FDR, an early Marxist president in the party of Karl Marx.

Don’t worry, once universal health care (rationing) gets here we should be right back to 62 years expectancy, and our Social Security mess will be solved.

Granted, if you’re father was born in 1916, I’m guessing that puts you in your early 60s or so, which means the scrap heap for you. But I’m sure you’ll be happy to sacrifice for our glorious new worker’s paradise.

TheMightyMonarch on May 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Granted, if you’re your father was born in 1916, I’m guessing that puts you in your early 60s or so

Fixing my own grammar. I’M NOT OBSESSIVE. Dammit, gotta go wash my hands for the sixth time this morning…brb.

TheMightyMonarch on May 13, 2009 at 10:50 AM

This is exactly why the Republican Party needs a top notch public relations machine in place and ready to go. People need to understand just who and what is responsible when their homes are foreclosed on, and the price of a loaf of Wonder Bread is $12.00, and there’s no more Social Security check coming in Grandma’s mailbox every month. We keep losing the P.R. battle because there is no organized machine in place to take advantage of these crises (to borrow a phrase from Rahm Emmanuel) and pound the point home. Unless and until that happens, Americans will keep voting for this putzes.

NoLeftTurn on May 13, 2009 at 10:50 AM

jonknee on May 13, 2009 at 10:35 AM

SS is f**ked. So they have to reinvest in what makes us strong. Business. If you attract business rather than run it off overseas they will hire more people = more tax revenue. Secure the border to stop the illegal influx and the scummy business owners that hired them will have to use American workers who pay taxes.

faol on May 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Be prepared to protect your home – and bury GOLD in the yard.

jake-the-goose on May 13, 2009 at 9:48 AM

That might work, unless the President decides to declare a “state of emergency” and orders banks to seal safe deposit boxes, directs the confiscation of all gold bullion and pays off all gold owners in paper money.

All of you folks that think that owning gold is a protection against a coming economic collapse in the U.S. might want to rethink that.

Puddleglum on May 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Is there any doubt that Obama is intentionally wrecking our economy? As Glenn Reynolds asks, if he’s not doing it intentionally now, what would he be doing differently if he were?

t.ferg on May 13, 2009 at 10:44 AM

SS and Medicare have been a sinking ship since they were created, this is not Obama’s doing. Literally since I can remember I have heard debates over when (not if) SS will be bankrupt. It’s a ponzi scheme and has been since its inception.

Fixing it won’t be fun. Raising the contribution cap, means testing payouts and raising the minimum age are most likely all necessary for the programs to be sustainable. So far neither party wants to pull those triggers. The GOP decided adding a huge new entitlement was a great idea and that’s apparently all we’re getting from the Dems too (and a possible tax increase).

jonknee on May 13, 2009 at 10:53 AM

There are three parts of our economy that do not PRODUCE anything…

Government, who is there to enforce the rules.
Lawyers, who are there to argue about the rules.
Bankers, who are there to keep score and move money around.

All three of these are needed SUPPORT systems to an economy and a country, but are like friction to an engine… as they take more and more energy to overcome (ie, run), that energy comes from the Net Horsepower output… eventualy your enging seizes up when your net power output cannot overcome the friction…

That is where we are now. Politicians, and lawyers, have created an ever enlarging system which produces nothing, and the banks are controlling it (as we see by the bailouts, banks have now been promised the entire GDP if they need that many assets to survive intact).

America was built by BUILDING things… and we need to get the Government out of the way and get back to that ideal.

Romeo13 on May 13, 2009 at 10:56 AM

One can watch interest rates rising on the page at the following link.

http://stockcharts.com/charts/YieldCurve.html

Kralizec on May 13, 2009 at 10:56 AM

That might work, unless the President decides to declare a “state of emergency” and orders banks to seal safe deposit boxes, directs the confiscation of all gold bullion and pays off all gold owners in paper money.

Silver coins in a safe in my house, right next to my shotgun and ammo. I’d have gold coins or bullion in there but it’s hard as hell to come by these days. Hopefully I’ll be coming back from Australia later this year with a few 1/10 oz. gold coins in tow.

TheMightyMonarch on May 13, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Wouldn’t you trust a multi-trillion dollar fiduciary promise from a egomaniacal unqualified socialist commununity organizer and his passel of crooked left-wing lunatics?

TexasJew on May 13, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Remember,we were called stupid,racist,Republican extremist for telling the American people what a disaster this failed community organizer would be:

In His Weekly Address, President Obama Calls for Fiscal Discipline


“We cannot settle for a future of rising deficits and debts that our children cannot pay,” the president says, adding that we must “recognize that we cannot meet the challenges of today with old habits and stale thinking. So much of our government was built to deal with different challenges from a different era. Too often, the result is wasteful spending, bloated programs, and inefficient results. It’s time to fundamentally change the way that we do business in Washington.”

Reality anyone?


US red ink rising even higher, to $1.8T
US red ink to top $1.8 trillion, 4 times record; gov’t borrows 46 cents for every dollar spent

Andrew Taylor, Associated Press Writer
On Monday May 11, 2009, 3:29 pm EDT

WASHINGTON (AP) — The government will have to borrow nearly 50 cents for every dollar it spends this year, exploding the record federal deficit past $1.8 trillion under new White House estimates.
Budget office figures released Monday would add $89 billion to the 2009 red ink — increasing it to more than four times last year’s all-time high as the government hands out billions more than expected for people who have lost jobs and takes in less tax revenue from people and companies making less money.
The unprecedented deficit figures flow from the deep recession, the Wall Street bailout and the cost of President Barack Obama’s economic stimulus bill — as well as a seemingly embedded structural imbalance between what the government spends and what it takes in.


Feds are broke but keep right on spending
By: Examiner Editorial

Even today, with Obama just beginning to manage the government, Geithner’s Treasury department must offer higher interest rates on bonds it sells to finance planned deficits because bondholders worry about Washington’s future repayment ability if taxes are not soon hugely increased. But those increases would kill economic growth, sending government revenues spiraling downward and eventually leaving Washington only one choice – repudiation of debt or bankruptcy. Either way, American prosperity will be a distant memory for generations to come. Intervention cannot come too soon.


China has ‘canceled US credit card’

WASHINGTON (AFP) — China, wary of the troubled US economy, has already “canceled America’s credit card” by cutting down purchases of debt, a US congressman said Thursday.
China has the world’s largest foreign reserves, believed to be mostly in dollars, along with around 800 billion dollars in US Treasury bonds, more than any other country.
But Treasury Department data shows that investors in China have sharply curtailed their purchases of bonds in January and February.


Weak Treasury auction sends stocks lower

By TIM PARADIS and SARA LEPRO –

NEW YORK (AP) — Stocks are finishing lower after weak demand at a Treasury bond auction touched off worries about the government’s ability to raise funds to fight the recession.
The government had to pay greater interest than expected in an auction of 30-year Treasurys. That is worrisome to traders because it could signal that it will become harder for Washington to finance its ambitious economic recovery plans.


Top Obama Economic Adviser Admits Stimulus Bill Might not Create Jobs

2009 February 4

The great secret about President Obama’s stimulus bill is that it is not a stimulus bill. With only 12 cents on the dollar going to actual stimulating projects this bill is actually the biggest spending bill ever proposed in congress. And people wonder why Democrats are called tax and spend liberals. A close look at this bill is justification of that label.

Now that has changed again because according to this article President Obama’s top economic adviser is admitting that there is “considerable uncertainty” in regards to any of Obama’s claims of job creation. And this is coming from the woman who created that number in the first place.


Communist Party chief: U.S. on road to socialism
Calls Obama ‘friend’ who will redefine government to favor ‘working people’

Posted: December 01, 2008
9:47 pm Eastern
http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/994/1/154/

By Aaron Klein
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Sen. Barack Obama is a “friend” of the left who will make important changes to the U.S., including a hoped-for trillion-dollar stimulus package focused on low-income families as well as a reconfiguring of the role and function of the American government and corporations to favor working people, according to the leader of the Communist Party USA.

But….But….But Obama speaks so well.
He has a “gift” you know.

This disaster created by liberals, is the biggest con job ever perpetrated on the American people.

Baxter Greene on May 13, 2009 at 11:03 AM

The trust funds — which exist in paper form in a filing cabinet in Parkersburg, W.Va. — are bonds that are backed by the government’s “full faith and credit” but not by any actual assets. That money has been spent over the years to fund other parts of government. To redeem the trust fund bonds, the government would have to borrow in public debt markets or raise taxes.

Then I guess they’re not really trust

funds

, it’s a file cabinet full of IOUs. But Clinton had to make it appear as if we were running a balanced budget, so I suppose it was worth it.

TheMightyMonarch on May 13, 2009 at 11:06 AM

I can’t help but to wonder why the Republicans currently holding office have been so silent while the Dem’s destroy the country. Is this a strategy? Do the Dem’s have the goods on them? Are they in on this deal?

Can’t help but to wonder…

Keemo on May 13, 2009 at 11:06 AM

This disaster created by liberals, is the biggest con job ever perpetrated on the American people.

Baxter Greene on May 13, 2009 at 11:03 AM

It may well have been created by liberals, but is only coming to pass because of the aiding and abetting by Republican politicians, and disheartened conservative-leaning and Independent voters staying away from the polls.

Puddleglum on May 13, 2009 at 11:08 AM

What giant trust fund? There’s no giant trust fund associated with Social Security. That’s the problem, the F’n politicians have been stealing from it for years, decades really.

Griz on May 13, 2009 at 11:13 AM

I remember the democrat congress giving itself a standing ovation when Bush (addressing the full congress) mentioned that his plan to save SS was defeated by the dems. What a good time to revive that video!

Wine_N_Dine on May 13, 2009 at 11:15 AM

I can’t help but to wonder why the Republicans currently holding office have been so silent while the Dem’s destroy the country. Is this a strategy? Do the Dem’s have the goods on them? Are they in on this deal?

Can’t help but to wonder…

Keemo on May 13, 2009 at 11:06 AM

It’s likely in part because they’re literally powerless to stop the Dems. They have the White House. They have a huge majority in the House. And with Specter’s defection(along with Collins and Snowe for backup), they’ve got 60+ votes in the Senate. What exactly can the GOP do right now?

Basically their safest play right now is to stand aside and let Obama destroy this country. They’ll be left with a major mess to clean up once he and his party are booted from power, but at least we’ll be rid of them.

Doughboy on May 13, 2009 at 11:17 AM

I can’t help but to wonder why the Republicans currently holding office have been so silent while the Dem’s destroy the country. Is this a strategy? Do the Dem’s have the goods on them? Are they in on this deal?

I suspect it’s a combination of several things:

1. Many are unaware of the failings of central planning and Keneysian economics;

2. All of the correct solutions require severe cutbacks in government spending and the phasing out of entitlements, which would be politically unpopular;

3. After getting their collective asses handed to them last year they are unwilling to take political risks;

4. Some are perfectly aware of how bad things are getting and would prefer to sit idly while the Democrats fail;

5. Some (like Snowe and Collins) are on board with Spendulus and actually believe a little bit of socialism works, or are trying to position themselves to get credit if the economy recovers despite the porkfest.

TheMightyMonarch on May 13, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Mr Obama will never have a deficit under a trillion dollars. When people get fired, they stop paying taxes. So simple. when banks are told that debt contracts are no longer valid, they lose money and stop paying taxes. Oils is down and they are paying less tax.

seven on May 13, 2009 at 11:20 AM

From the Ticker Guy (emphasis added):

WARNING: United States Credit Risk

Yes, it really is at risk.

Through the first seven months of the fiscal year, the federal deficit has mounted up to a record $802.3 billion, compared with $153.5 billion at the same time last year. Income-tax receipts are down nearly 31% for the fiscal year so far.

People who are not making money – who are either unemployed or if self-employed are not profitable – don’t pay taxes.

Ramping spending into such a situation is idiotic. It is similar to you losing your job and going on a spending spree, running your credit cards to the moon before they are cut off.

You may rest assured that they WILL be cut off if you continue this behavior for very long.

Perhaps Japan is warning us of an impending cut-off?

Japan has been a major buyer of US government bonds, helping the US finance its Federal budget deficits.

But, he added, it would continue to buy bonds only if they were denominated in yen – the so-called samurai bonds.

We have not issued any so-called “samurai” bonds. They should be better-called “Seppuku Bonds”, because that is what they will do to The United States if we ever issue them.

To be fair, Japan’s Democratic Party has poor prospects in their upcoming elections. But should they actually gain enough sway to change policy, things get very interesting very fast for The United States, and not in a good way – more in a “Chinese Curse” sort of way.

See, in order to have a hyper-inflationary collapse of an economy, such as Weimar Germany, you must have debt denominated in some currency other than your own. Iceland, for example, blew up in no small part due to a decent amount of their debt being denominated in other than their native currency. Borrowers in Eastern Europe have discovered recently the danger of home mortgages written in Swiss Francs.

Such foreign-denominated debt seems to foreign borrowers to be “more fair” in that it places the risk of currency devaluation on the nation that undergoes it. But what is often missed is that currencies don’t always change value due to the actions of just one nation – that is, Japan’s Yen could strengthen due to the actions of Japan, just as the the dollar could weaken due to the actions of The United States.

The insidious (and dangerous) reality of such a circumstance is that it creates a perverse incentive for the nation buying the debt denominated in its own currency to take actions that strengthen their currency, because doing so increases the value of the note they hold! That is, they can increase your indebtedness by practicing fiscal restraint in their nation.

To permit such an event to occur is akin to walking around with a loaded pistol in your mouth with the slide gripped between your teeth, offering the grip end to anyone who walks by.

That is not a recipe for a long, healthy life.

Speaking of The United States doing dumb things that could destroy the nation, we’ve got this:

Fox Biz is reporting that the House Financial Services Committee is set to take up legislation this week that would establish a federal backstop for all Municipal bonds and muni insurance.

This would, of course, represent another massive expansion of the government’s guarantees and turn all states into Fannie and Freddy.

Oh no, this bill is much worse than that.

Does anyone remember the “Drive 55″ game the government played back during the energy “crisis”? The threat was simple: either pass a 55mph speed limit for all roads, including those that were not interstate and thus not under federal jurisdiction in any way, shape or form, or lose all federal highway funding.

So what is this really about? Let’s be clear: It is about The Federal Government attempting to finalize the full federalization of every state in the union, removing any and all remaining sovereignty.
This sort of action is a blatant and outrageous attempt to rewrite The Constitution without actually doing so, by making the states subservient to The Federal Government’s demands under threat of having their heroin supply interrupted.

This must not stand; those states that have passed or are considering resolutions declaring their rights under The Constitution must immediately upgrade those “resolutions” to laws, and be prepared to back them up with whatever is necessary.

Our Republic was designed with relatively strong states and a relatively weak Federal Government for a reason.

Simply put, it is more difficult to corrupt a government that is closer to the people. An example can be found here:

The Washington Post reported last month on more than $150 million in federal funds that Murtha directed to the airport, which has six arriving and departing flights per day. Among the improvements, Murtha directed the Pentagon to give the airport a new, $8 million, state-of-the-art radar tower that has not been used since it was built in 2004, and $30 million for a new runway and tarmac so the airport could handle large military planes and become an emergency military base in case of crisis.

Now if The State Government wants to appropriate $180 million in state tax revenues for improvements based on those funds bringing more than $180 million in benefit to the state, so be it.

But when The Federal Government appropriates these funds they can take them from people 2,500 miles away, who have no use for the project and derive no benefit from it.

Another example of the same sort of outrage comes in the laws for state-chartered banks in many states that prohibit a state bank from accepting a deposit while that bank has a negative net equity position – that is, while it is insolvent.

There is no such law at the federal level, which is part and parcel of why we are in this economic mess and why over a trillion dollars, including $180 billion “passed through” AIG, was literally stolen from each and every American.

The Federal Government must not be allowed to insert its talons into each and every state’s funding mechanisms.

If it does, we will no longer be a union of states; the separation of states and their governments will quite literally disappear, and our nation will have been irretrievably damaged, no longer conforming to The Constitution as set forth by The Founders more than 200 years ago.

And you can bet that “Seppuku Bonds” will, subsequent to that act, once The Federal Government has placed the noose around the neck of the several states, be issued.

The clock for our republic is running out.

Disclosure: Can I short The United States?

Pay special attention to the part about the Feds backstopping the muni market. That CANNOT be allowed to happen.

flyfisher on May 13, 2009 at 11:24 AM

You know, while I was out in the back yard cleaning up the dog garofalo, I was thinking: liberals have no problem killing babies right up to the moment of birth. Under Oboingo’s health care, needing heart surgery, or even a pacemaker, will be a death sentence to many, as it is in Canada and Great Britain. The theory there is that, if your “net contribution to society” drops below your net “cost”, you’re dead.

So, think about all those child rapists, those murders, those violent anti-social degenerates in our prisons: those sentenced to life, or multiple life sentences. What’s their net contribution? Isn’t it torture to keep them locked up with nothing in their future but the same, dismal grind day in, day out, decade after decade? Would liberals agree to mass, humane, euthanasia of this class of detritus?

They could rationalize it by taking the view that it’s consistent with their medicare plans: the hard-case crims are too costly to keep alive. And, given that they’re OK with killing innocent babies, isn’t it at least as desirable to clear the pond of some scum? It’s clear that, to them, life is nothing but an economic calculation, so what would be their objection?

mr.blacksheep on May 13, 2009 at 11:26 AM

You know, while I was out in the back yard cleaning up the dog garofalo, I was thinking: liberals have no problem killing babies right up to the moment of birth. Under Oboingo’s health care, needing heart surgery, or even a pacemaker, will be a death sentence to many, as it is in Canada and Great Britain. The theory there is that, if your “net contribution to society” drops below your net “cost”, you’re dead.

So, think about all those child rapists, those murders, those violent anti-social degenerates in our prisons: those sentenced to life, or multiple life sentences. What’s their net contribution? Isn’t it torture to keep them locked up with nothing in their future but the same, dismal grind day in, day out, decade after decade? Would liberals agree to mass, humane, euthanasia of this class of detritus?

They could rationalize it by taking the view that it’s consistent with their medicare plans: the hard-case crims are too costly to keep alive. And, given that they’re OK with killing innocent babies, isn’t it at least as desirable to clear the pond of some scum? It’s clear that, to them, life is nothing but an economic calculation, so what would be their objection?

mr.blacksheep on May 13, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Think “Soylent Green”

Wine_N_Dine on May 13, 2009 at 11:28 AM

can’t help but to wonder why the Republicans currently holding office have been so silent while the Dem’s destroy the country. Is this a strategy? Do the Dem’s have the goods on them? Are they in on this deal?

I was at a college graduation ceremony last night. The speaker talked about herself and her struggles just like Obama,Clap,clap. The 1st African American Prez gush, gush, clap, clap. Go out there and stop discrimination as your first objective. BARF>
That’s why our politicians will not fight. The sheep are so star struck Obambi could line them up and they would suicide bomb the planet if he asked. I am depressed.

faol on May 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM

What exactly can the GOP do right now?

Doughboy on May 13, 2009 at 11:17 AM

They can GO TO WAR at the state level. The GOP should become the party of state sovereignty and freedom. The federal government’s finances are toast. We’ve lived through a slow-speed socialist coup that is finally coming to a head. If any semblance of the nation we know and love is to survive, it will be the states who save it. We are past the point of no return. The event horizon has been passed. We’re in for real pain, regardless. I say take the pain that gets us to freedom. I don’t want to live in Obongo’s fascist hell.

flyfisher on May 13, 2009 at 11:31 AM

The free-spending policies of today will lead to massive taxation or collapse in the near future, and anyone with a calculator and an iota of sense can see it.

True enough. However if no one else cares why should I?

With or without calculators folks have known this for over forty years with only the “tipping” date changing. Now we have Obama and crew bragging about trillion dollar deficits for the foreseeable future and no one blinks. Worse still we have Repubs lining up behind a faux conservative in Florida who shared a stage with Obama championing his deficits and Cap and Trade.

I’m supposed to be concerned? Excuse me but I’ve got more important things to do.

Personally I don’t mind if Dems sweep every election going forward the next six years. We are running the country into the ground so lets get it over with. Perhaps then we can/will have a societal revolt where we are finally fed up with politicians who vote to stay in office rather than vote for the country. Crist is a perfect example of what is wrong with politics today on the Repub side–big government and ever bigger spending.

Meanwhile as frogs, enjoy the water.

patrick neid on May 13, 2009 at 11:32 AM

flyfisher on May 13, 2009 at 11:31 AM

I’m with you on that; I don’t see much alternative.

mr.blacksheep on May 13, 2009 at 11:32 AM

The demon-crats said, “Let us build a Ponzi scheme to buy the old vote.”
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And then they said, “Let us kill the unborn needed to make the Ponzi scheme work, to buy the slut vote.”
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And now they say, “We must kill the old to keep the Ponzi scheme from collapsing.”
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This can not end well!

darktood on May 13, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Always knew the ponzi scheme that is SS wouldn’t be enough for me to live on in retirement, or that it may not even be there. We saved our money through the years so that we could live off of that, but that money may not make it through this recession if Dear Leader keeps spending like there’s no tomorrow. He could have gotton away with this if the economy hadn’t had the downturn, and he had stuck to fixing health care and global warming. We are going down the tube faster and faster and he won’t get out of the way of the free market. Damnfascist.

Kissmygrits on May 13, 2009 at 11:38 AM

They can GO TO WAR at the state level. The GOP should become the party of state sovereignty and freedom.

There needs to be an organization of Red State Governors (think Congressional Black Caucus) who coordinate their responses, present a unified front, and work in unison in an attempt to repel the illegal encroachment of federal power over the states.

JiangxiDad on May 13, 2009 at 11:57 AM

They can GO TO WAR at the state level. The GOP should become the party of state sovereignty and freedom.

There needs to be an organization of Red State Governors (think Congressional Black Caucus) who coordinate their responses, present a unified front, and work in unison in an attempt to repel the illegal encroachment of federal power over the states.

JiangxiDad on May 13, 2009 at 11:58 AM

To redeem the trust fund bonds, the government would have to borrow in public debt markets or raise taxes.

Actually, the federal government has literally trillions of dollars worth of federal assets, they simply do not have the will to utilize/sell those assets. Oil rights, off-shore rights, massive timber “set-asides”, billions of acres of non-park BLM land (much of it capable of becoming highly productive), etc. etc. etc. . . Heck, nearly 1/2 of the county I reside in “belongs” to the federal government and is just sitting there doing absolutely nothing! Its not national forest land, its not a park, its not a monument, its just “federal” land.

Why doesn’t anyone ever talk about utilizing some of these assets or sellling some of this land? Why is it even necessary for the GOVERNMENT to “own” so much land that is merely off-limits to any kind of productive use?

I sure wish some politician, somewhere, would have the gravitas to float the possibility of utilizing or selling these assets instead of ALWAYS defaulting to the knee-jerk reaction of “raising taxes!!”. (My representatives clearly don’t have the wherewithall to consider such proposals if their absolute silence in the face of suggestions in that direction are any indication.)

Fatal on May 13, 2009 at 11:59 AM

When people get fired, they stop paying taxes.

Unemployment is taxed.

Here in California everything you buy is taxed at 9%.

Everything you buy has an additional tax component because businesses are taxed.

If you need a car to look for a job, your gas is taxed.

If you sell assets to pay the bills because you don’t have a job, you are taxed.

If you own your home free and clear and have no mortgage to worry about, you are still taxed.

If you retire your Social Security benefits, which were taken from you through SSI taxes, are taxed.

If you die your heirs have to sell your assets, because they are taxed.

Wonderful system, ain’t it?

TheMightyMonarch on May 13, 2009 at 12:03 PM

All of you folks that think that owning gold is a protection against a coming economic collapse in the U.S. might want to rethink that.

Puddleglum on May 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Thanks for the informative link. I loved it.
FDR was such a POS. He is one of the main drivers of our beloved USA into the pit of socialist hell.
Not surprising coming from someone enamored of Uncle Joe.
Notice that all of the problems surrounding the abolition of the gold standard was championed mainly by Democrats?
What a shocker.
I have no gold-but I guess I can go & prospect for it.
If they confiscate my other property, that may be all I can do, other than exist in the barter & trade economy that’s coming down the pike of necessity.

Badger40 on May 13, 2009 at 12:11 PM

All of you folks that think that owning gold is a protection against a coming economic collapse in the U.S. might want to rethink that.

Puddleglum on May 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Yep, little shells of brass, copper & lead will be your only hedge against insanity.

izoneguy on May 13, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Wonderful system, ain’t it?

TheMightyMonarch on May 13, 2009 at 12:03 PM

I know.
I can live with the confidence than when either my husband or I die I get to pay taxes on the ranch-& therefore will probably have to sell much of it off-therefore I will no longer be able to make a living (like I do anyway) in ranching.
Thank you POS govt.

Badger40 on May 13, 2009 at 12:13 PM

For all of you bargain hunters GM is trading around $1.35 after hitting $1.00 this am.

thomasaur on May 13, 2009 at 12:14 PM

They can GO TO WAR at the state level. The GOP should become the party of state sovereignty and freedom.

There needs to be an organization of Red State Governors (think Congressional Black Caucus) who coordinate their responses, present a unified front, and work in unison in an attempt to repel the illegal encroachment of federal power over the states.

JiangxiDad on May 13, 2009 at 11:57 AM

This is what it will take…you see someone driving with an Obama bumper sticker? Get in front of them and show them your “DOn’t Tread on Me” bumper sticker. SOmeone in conservation supports Obama? Shout them down and tell them Obama is driving our country to ruin.

izoneguy on May 13, 2009 at 12:14 PM

For all of you bargain hunters GM is trading around $1.35 after hitting $1.00 this am.

thomasaur on May 13, 2009 at 12:14 PM

It is worthless….at any price. Chrysler & GM – dump ASAP….
These companies must be driven into the ground, even if it means
another 1,000,000 unemployed. Slash & Burn. Take no prisoners.

izoneguy on May 13, 2009 at 12:16 PM

Badger40 on May 13, 2009 at 12:11 PM

If you haven’t already, read “The Forgotten Man” by Amity Shlaes. The fascination and admiration of Stalin’s Russia by people such as FDR was truly frightening.

TheMightyMonarch on May 13, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Why doesn’t anyone ever talk about utilizing some of these assets or sellling some of this land? Why is it even necessary for the GOVERNMENT to “own” so much land that is merely off-limits to any kind of productive use?

Fatal on May 13, 2009 at 11:59 AM

The govt shouldn’t be in the business of owning any land other than that out of extreme necessity.
Like national parks, monuments, transportation right of ways, etc.
We lease a section of state school land, for instance, in which the $$ goes to the school district.
But in the end, why does the state or fed govt need to be owning such assets?
I guess can look at it this way-If we ever lose our school pasture lease, we can consider it a tax cut.

Badger40 on May 13, 2009 at 12:19 PM

For all of you bargain hunters GM is trading around $1.35 after hitting $1.00 this am.

thomasaur on May 13, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Minus 20 cents per share on capital gains taxes if you bought this morning and sold this afternoon.

TheMightyMonarch on May 13, 2009 at 12:20 PM

The govt shouldn’t be in the business of owning any land other than that out of extreme necessity.
Like national parks, monuments, transportation right of ways, etc.
We lease a section of state school land, for instance, in which the $$ goes to the school district.
But in the end, why does the state or fed govt need to be owning such assets?
I guess can look at it this way-If we ever lose our school pasture lease, we can consider it a tax cut.

Badger40 on May 13, 2009 at 12:19 PM

STart a fire….petition your state to go after federal land under Kelo condemnations….turn the snake on itself.

sven10077 on May 13, 2009 at 12:21 PM

TheMightyMonarch on May 13, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Thanks for the tip.
This time in history is of interest to me.
I’ve read up a lot on the Soviets & their rise to power.
It is truly frightening what happened over there, along with the ‘Cultural Revolution’ in China.
People need to wake up about this stuff.

Badger40 on May 13, 2009 at 12:21 PM

sven10077 on May 13, 2009 at 12:21 PM

One thing-starting a fire there will probably burn down the acreage I live on & my house etc.
I am not quite willing to do that.

Badger40 on May 13, 2009 at 12:22 PM

I have been trying on a local political forum to explain that, if SS is taking in less revenue than benefit payouts, we have to begin cashing those IOU’s. If we begin cashing them soon, then we will have a bigger deficit as no SS IOU payouts are in the Obama Budget. The lefties I am arguing with simply refuse to accept the idea at all…’All is Well’…The Democrat Socialist Party says so…

These folk really are that dense.

JIMV on May 13, 2009 at 12:22 PM

One thing-starting a fire there will probably burn down the acreage I live on & my house etc.
I am not quite willing to do that.

Badger40 on May 13, 2009 at 12:22 PM

was speaking figuratively not literally…I leave economic arson to Ogabe, Nan, and Harry

sven10077 on May 13, 2009 at 12:26 PM

They can GO TO WAR at the state level. The GOP should become the party of state sovereignty and freedom.

There needs to be an organization of Red State Governors (think Congressional Black Caucus) who coordinate their responses, present a unified front, and work in unison in an attempt to repel the illegal encroachment of federal power over the states.

JiangxiDad on May 13, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Now we’re talking. Our side has to be aggressive. We can’t look at Washington for solutions. It’s up to the states and the people. Just ignore Washington–let it burn!

flyfisher on May 13, 2009 at 12:29 PM

What again is the philosophical arguement for expanding welfare and granting amnesty?

saiga on May 13, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Welfare recipients and illegals mostly vote Democrat? And Democrats define good as giving more power to Democrats.

18-1 on May 13, 2009 at 12:34 PM

That warning from Moody’s focused on the exploding healthcare and Social Security costs that threaten to engulf the federal government in debt over coming decades.

Looks like Moody’s will be the next company to be nationalized.

MarkTheGreat on May 13, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Seriously….. when does the shooting start? Anyone. Ha! Something that people are starting to think about but not talk about. Homeland Security, my hat’s off to, if nothing else you’re keeping the revolutionaries quiet.

If I’m not mistaken, Lou Dobbs slipped the “R” word out last night.

Ernest on May 13, 2009 at 12:35 PM

As the SS fund starts going negative, the Treasury is going to have to start paying back the trillions of dollars it has “borrowed” from the SS fund over the years.

Since the treasury is currently running it’s own deficits, it will either have to borrow the money, or raise taxes in order to fund the SS payments.

Yet another reason why the deficit over the next few years is going to be a lot greater than Obama has been predicting.

MarkTheGreat on May 13, 2009 at 12:32 PM

MarkTheGreat on May 13, 2009 at 12:37 PM

the failures of raw capitalism,
ernesto on May 13, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Wouldn’t it be necessary to have “raw capitalism”, before one starts talking about the failure of “raw capitalism”?

It isn’t a coincidence that all of the recent failures have been occuring in those industries that are the most heavily regulated by Washington.

MarkTheGreat on May 13, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Apologies if this is already up:

Start at about the 1 minute mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mqSXsNJzRM

WitchDoctor on May 13, 2009 at 12:43 PM

So, think about all those child rapists, those murders, those violent anti-social degenerates in our prisons: those sentenced to life, or multiple life sentences. What’s their net contribution? Isn’t it torture to keep them locked up with nothing in their future but the same, dismal grind day in, day out, decade after decade? Would liberals agree to mass, humane, euthanasia of this class of detritus?

They could rationalize it by taking the view that it’s consistent with their medicare plans: the hard-case crims are too costly to keep alive. And, given that they’re OK with killing innocent babies, isn’t it at least as desirable to clear the pond of some scum? It’s clear that, to them, life is nothing but an economic calculation, so what would be their objection?

mr.blacksheep on May 13, 2009 at 11:26 AM

In NAZI Germany, one of the first political battles the NAZIs fought was over eugenics. Basically the government wanted to exterminate/sterilize “useless eaters” and the churches opposed on moral grounds.

The NAZIs ultimately won the “debate” of course and killed the handicapped along with Jews, Slavs, and the rest.

As the Left increasingly embraces fascism, we can see them trending in this direction too. I certainly have seen more pro-abortion arguments centering on the notion that the aborted children would just have grown up to be criminals and public service drains anyway over the last few years.

18-1 on May 13, 2009 at 12:43 PM

the failures of raw capitalism,
ernesto on May 13, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Wouldn’t it be necessary to have “raw capitalism”, before one starts talking about the failure of “raw capitalism”?

It isn’t a coincidence that all of the recent failures have been occuring in those industries that are the most heavily regulated by Washington.

MarkTheGreat on May 13, 2009 at 12:39 PM

YOU HAVE TO READ THIS:

http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=22999&news_iv_ctrl=1021

What must be done to recover from this financial crisis? Barack Obama rightly stresses that we first must understand how today’s problems emerged. It is “only by understanding how we arrived at this moment that we’ll be able to lift ourselves out of this predicament.”

Unfortunately, Obama (along with most of the Washington establishment) has created only misunderstanding. In calling for a massive increase in government control over the economy, he has evaded the mountain of evidence implicating the government.

(snip)

While Obama has not sought a real explanation of today’s economic problems, Americans should. Otherwise, we will simply swallow “solutions” that dogmatically assume the free market got us here–namely, Obama’s plans to swamp this country in an ocean of government debt, government controls, and government make-work projects. But alternative, free-market explanations for the crisis do exist–ones that consider the inconvenient facts Washington ignores–and every American should seek to understand them.

Those who do will likely end up telling our leaders to stop saying “Yes, we can” to each new proposal for expanding government power, and start saying “Yes, you can” to Americans who seek to exercise their right to produce and trade on a free market.

izoneguy on May 13, 2009 at 12:45 PM

What again is the philosophical arguement for expanding welfare and granting amnesty?

more Phlegm ‘n Crap voters

corona on May 13, 2009 at 12:46 PM

And still the “trust fund” lies keep getting repeated.

The trust fund is a box somewhere filled with a whole bunch of notes from Congress that say “Thanks, Suckers”.

Chuck Schick on May 13, 2009 at 12:53 PM

f they confiscate my other property, that may be all I can do, other than exist in the barter & trade economy that’s coming down the pike of necessity.

Badger40 on May 13, 2009 at 12:11 PM

I think you’re right, barter and trade will be where it’s at. In a B&T economy, goods may be even more valuable than gold. Especially ammo.

Puddleglum on May 13, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Wouldn’t it be necessary to have “raw capitalism”, before one starts talking about the failure of “raw capitalism”?

It isn’t a coincidence that all of the recent failures have been occuring in those industries that are the most heavily regulated by Washington.

Exactly, with the possible exception of the nineteenth century (after President Jackson killed the central bank, God bless him), we have never had raw, unfettered capitalism in this country.

What we have now is a messy hybrid of socialism and corporatism, where companies with sufficient lobbying power buy off politicians who squelch competition through regulation and taxes.

Add to that the Federal Reserve, to which Congress illegally turned over the power to print and coin money unhinged from any type of commodity standard. A private bank who manipulates the value of money through deflation and inflation. This is the very thing Jefferson warned us about, one day we will find ourselves serfs on our own land.

TheMightyMonarch on May 13, 2009 at 1:03 PM

What exactly can the GOP do right now?

Doughboy on May 13, 2009 at 11:17 AM
They can GO TO WAR at the state level. The GOP should become the party of state sovereignty and freedom. The federal government’s finances are toast. We’ve lived through a slow-speed socialist coup that is finally coming to a head. If any semblance of the nation we know and love is to survive, it will be the states who save it. We are past the point of no return. The event horizon has been passed. We’re in for real pain, regardless. I say take the pain that gets us to freedom. I don’t want to live in Obongo’s fascist hell.

flyfisher on May 13, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Watch very carefully after May 19th in California when every one of these propostion’s go down in defeat. It should be followed up with another tea party the next day to tell state legislators and our idiot governor that it is time to QUIT SPENDING.

Rovin on May 13, 2009 at 1:05 PM

It isn’t a coincidence that all of the recent failures have been occuring in those industries that are the most heavily regulated by Washington.

MarkTheGreat on May 13, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Finance? Really? Most heavily regulated? Nah. Government turned a blind eye to financial consolidation and complex instruments. Had there been more focus on that, the housing boom would not have been as out of balance, and thus growth would have been slower…but the crash would be nowhere near as harsh as it is today.

ernesto on May 13, 2009 at 1:13 PM

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