Quotes of the day
posted at 10:30 pm on May 13, 2009 by Allahpundit
“The truth is that even in the most liberal of statistics, over 40% of kids remain virgins through their teen years. Keep in mind that a good percentage of those poll’d in these ‘blind studies’ are men and let’s be honest… A good 30% of them are probably lying, so you can bet that the real statistics would favor the lonely little virgins even more…
One would have to wonder how much different that statistic would be if Hollywood WEREN’T pressuring teenagers to engage in the horizontal mambo. If Hollywood put all of its ‘virginity is for suckers’ energy into promoting ‘saving sex till marriage,’ I bet we’d see a very different, much more lopsided statistic. Of course Hollywood could never do that, as they don’t believe in ‘forcing ones beliefs on others’… Unless of course said beliefs include situational ethics, then it’s time to preach it father, preach it!”
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“‘The surprising thing is that we’ve had this really big upswing in births to unmarried mothers in such a short period of time,’ said Stephanie Ventura, the author of the report commissioned by the CDC’s National Center of Health Statistics.
In the U.S., nearly 40 percent of births were to unmarried women in 2007, compared with about 34 percent in 2002, according to data first released in March but now being compared with that of other countries.
The report shows that teenagers accounted for only 23 percent of 2007′s non-marital births, down from 50 percent in 1970, demonstrating that birth rates for unmarried women in their twenties and over have risen considerably over the period.”
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Daily Hollywood object lessons on morality have chipped away at the very moral fabric of this country.
hawkdriver on May 13, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Does that include illegal aliens?
FloatingRock on May 13, 2009 at 10:36 PM
O.K. I’m going to go and finish my Lis Wiehl book.
Knucklehead on May 13, 2009 at 10:36 PM
Because if so, there was probably also a big influx of illegal immigrants during that time.
FloatingRock on May 13, 2009 at 10:37 PM
It really doesn’t help when Pelosi is adding STD cash,
to the Simulus bailout,and Joycelyn Elders wanted
to teach self-abuse in the womb,
crap,I meant kindergarten!!(Sarc).
canopfor on May 13, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Pardon the OT:
This is from Palin’s FB regarding Prejean.
The liberal onslaught of malicious attacks against Carrie Prejean for expressing her opinion is despicable.
(more here)
carbon_footprint on May 13, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Teenagers will always have hormones but messages are extremely important. And “youth was meant for heroism” and, moral relativism notwithstanding, the message “spend your energies serving others and making the world better – be a real grownup” is an objectively better message than “spend your energies getting yourself pleasured as much as possible – only little babies haven’t ‘done it’.”
Not to mention “the giving of your body actually does mean something and saving your whole self, body and soul, for your future husband or wife is a meaningful act.”
So no surprise that I like this part of Crowder’s article the best:
inviolet on May 13, 2009 at 10:39 PM
“In the U.S., nearly 40 percent of births were to unmarried women in 2007, compared with about 34 percent in 2002, according to data first released in March but now being compared with that of other countries.”
I am curious as to what the demographics of those statistics are.For example,how many are born to illegal aliens or to girls who grew up receiving welfare and are they second generation unwed mothers?
There is more to those statistics than just numbers.
NeoKong on May 13, 2009 at 10:40 PM
If Hollywood put all of it’s ‘I want to give Obama oral sex’ energy into promoting ‘The Community Reinvestment Act, Social Engineering, and how the Democratic Party destroyed the United States of America’ we’d see a very different, much more fair Representative Republic…………
…………. but we can’t have that.
Seven Percent Solution on May 13, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Daily Hollywood..
hawkdriver on May 13,2009 at 10:35PM.
hawkdriver: Great to hear from you,how have you been?:)
canopfor on May 13, 2009 at 10:41 PM
carbon_footprint: that was the harshest political attack I’ve ever seen from Palin – calling out “liberals” and the “left.” You ever read or heard anything similar? Assuming it’s authentic, I wonder if she’s really pissed off on Prejean’s behalf, or if this represents a new gloves-off tack from her, or both.
CK MacLeod on May 13, 2009 at 10:47 PM
To all the ladies at HotAir, I would really like to hear some of your answers to this question.
Tommy_G on May 13, 2009 at 10:47 PM
Hey! Hope all is well.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Debauchery is in.
Don’t worry. Be happy.
Loxodonta on May 13, 2009 at 10:48 PM
The plethora of celebrity bastard babies set a bad example.
Akzed on May 13, 2009 at 10:49 PM
I agree and I hope it is a “gloves off” approach from her. I think she has had enough.
carbon_footprint on May 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Forget Hollywood. When the schools hand out condoms to junior high schoolers, they are telling the kids that they are expected to be having sex. It becomes weird to have the school pushing rubbers on you and then claim that you aren’t using them, since the reasoning is that so many other kids are that the school, itself, has to be handing them out.
Sex ed at schools has done more to promote teen sex than anything else, without any doubt.
progressoverpeace on May 13, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Bingo! Having a child out of wedlock is a career path for some of these people. Having a husband cuts into the government money. I’ve had two kids in the last four years. For both, I was given social security number applications IN THE HOSPITAL. Now, I’m 42 and back when I was growing up, we got our social security numbers right around the time we got our first jobs and driver’s licenses. The only need to get a SS# as a newborn is to sign up for benefits.
mrsmwp on May 13, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Side note: getting married makes no damn difference. My first son was concieved at age 17 (my age) and I got married 3 days before I turned 18….then divorced 3 days later.
What is needed is some teaching about keeping the snake in the pants, not about giving it some skin. I had no problem with staying ‘fresh’ until my broken family up an moved, further disturbing my already disturbed youth, ending up as a young parental statistic.
Priorities these days = upside down.
Spiritk9 on May 13, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Back in the olden days television shows usually had a problem, an answer and a moral. If nothing else we could glean information on how to handle “tough” situations and goodness knows people were almost universally polite. There is almost nothing on network TV that I can watch due to the degradation of the country or people with a conscience.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2009 at 10:53 PM
I’ve been meaning to tell you, but lately, I’ve been agreeing wholeheartedly with almost everything you have written. It’s like you say what is in my head but in a much more articulate way than I could manage. Thanks!
mrsmwp on May 13, 2009 at 10:55 PM
I would never use the term “bastard” when referring to a child, it’s not up to them how they came into the world. That said, children with only one parent do seem to get into more trouble than kids form traditional families. I remember twenty years ago when Farrah Fawcett was heralded as a courteous woman for having “a baby out of wedlock” (my age is showing). Sadly, her son has been in and out of trouble most of his short life. Makes you wonder.
Tommy_G on May 13, 2009 at 10:55 PM
Do you feel more femininely empowered now that sex is expected of you at an early age?
To all the ladies at HotAir, I would really like to hear some of your answers to this question.
Tommy_G on May 13, 2009 at 10:47 PM
I wasn’t even that aware of sex until I went to college, though I started college shortly after turning 17 so I was more naive. I am 38 now so I grew up when being promiscuous wasn’t cool. It was actually frowned upon where I grew up (north Texas).
txag92 on May 13, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Hey Cindy. We’re pretty stable right now, but I think things are going to go South here.
canopfor, good to see you too.
hawkdriver on May 13, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Same here. Friends write and ask if I miss American TV. I just laugh.
hawkdriver on May 13, 2009 at 11:00 PM
And the same is true throughout our culture. We have strayed so far. What did we do wrong?
Loxodonta on May 13, 2009 at 11:01 PM
It’s easy to be undisciplined and immoral when the entire liberal woral is giving you excuse after excuse to be that way.
I’m okay, you’re okay.
hawkdriver on May 13, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Thank you very much, mrsmwp. A lot of us are operating on the same frequency, which is what maintains my faith in our future, tenuous as that is becoming.
progressoverpeace on May 13, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Interesting that a Special Ops guy is being put in charge. Since we all like Gen. Petraeus, I am going to assume he knows what he is doing. Take good care of yourself, after tonight I probably won’t be posting until next Tuesday.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2009 at 11:06 PM
I remember. Have a safe trip.
hawkdriver on May 13, 2009 at 11:09 PM
hawkdriver on May 13, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Yeah, good luck in the coming days. I always scan to see how you are, even though I am not very vocal here.
catlady on May 13, 2009 at 11:09 PM
Some of us aren’t okay. But, I’m glad you’re okay.
Loxodonta on May 13, 2009 at 11:10 PM
liberal woral = world.
(typing in the dark with a flashlight)
hawkdriver on May 13, 2009 at 11:10 PM
We became “sophisticated” or at least played at it. I think for years the nation was just trying to find itself in a pioneer type spirit. In the fifties we seemed to have become not only stable but financially secure and we turned our eyes to refinement. Where better to look then Europe? Now we are close to even adopting their nanny state socialism because rugged individualism is so passé. Where are John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart and the rest when you need them.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2009 at 11:14 PM
If I didn’t know where you were I might think that you had a few too many. Take care of yourself.
thomasaur on May 13, 2009 at 11:14 PM
thx
hawkdriver on May 13, 2009 at 11:15 PM
Why are you bummed?
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2009 at 11:15 PM
We wouldn’t see such high levels of pregnancy among unmarried women if more men took their cues from porn and ended with a money shot.
Yeah I’m not proud of myself for going there …
Stickeehands on May 13, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Yes, having to worry about which guy is looking to screw you over is always empowering. As if being a teenage girl is not stressful enough, now they are expected to try and find the nicest boy in class and hope that he doesn’t give her an STD or tell all of his buddies what a terrible lay you were. I realize that girls aren’t actually forced into this (rape aside), but I think we realize how vulnerable teens are. Not all girls come from good homes and are taught self respect and the emotional side of things.
This is from the female perspective, but you guys out there should speak up about the male perspective as well. I think this is pretty harmful for them as well.
thevastlane on May 13, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Pain.
Loxodonta on May 13, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Bill Bennett had a guest on his show and right now I can’t remember who it was but he is retired military and he has several children serving now. His daughter was in Afghanistan last year and she made a statement to the effect that she hopes to visit again to see the country progress into a third world nation. It’s hard to believe that there could be a place like that in these days with so much technology.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2009 at 11:19 PM
I am sorry, are you ill?
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Some places I fly over look very much like the world that time forgot.
hawkdriver on May 13, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Our self-indulgence can be ended by our own free will, or we can keep busy indulging ourselves until we are overrun by third world countries with rapidly growing populations and cultures far less tolerant of debauchery.
Loxodonta on May 13, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Self. Responsibility.
That is what is lacking. Too many times a baby is thought of as a playtoy, not a human being. In the region I am in, it is considered a cool rite of womanhood to have a baby when you are a teenager, and then let mom raise it.
Go figure.
catlady on May 13, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Mentally ill. Was there any doubt?
I’m awkward and prone to injuries.
Loxodonta on May 13, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Loxodonta on May 13, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Hey, I’m in that club… hang in there. It can be frustrating, but you are strong! Wee need your comments, I love them!
catlady on May 13, 2009 at 11:33 PM
If America had paid attention to Dan Quayle’s summation of Murphy Brown instead of trying to pillory Quayle, maybe the public impetus to find it fashionable to have kids out of wedlock wouldn’t be so pervasive. Is it Hollywood, or is it a generation of kids raising kids? There is a lot more to parenthood than having a kid.
coldwarrior on May 13, 2009 at 11:34 PM
I have seen pictures of rugged territory where you expect a dinosaur to come running out. But then I have seen some really beautiful areas. Are you taking pictures? You can never get a real idea from the little you see on the news.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2009 at 11:35 PM
You got that straight…….
……… can’t wait for the law of unintended consequences.
God Speed…….
Seven Percent Solution on May 13, 2009 at 11:36 PM
I keep tell you guys. The right-to-lifers won. Abortion is out of style.
That’s the reason for the increase.
AnninCA on May 13, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Makes me want to open a spay/neuter clinic for humans instead of cats!! Oops sorry, I know that was extreme, but you would think some moms after the first two or three kids out of wedlock would get a clue….
catlady on May 13, 2009 at 11:38 PM
After a few days, chronic pain numbs the mind, making it difficult to post with frequency, length or humor.
On the other hand, a numbed mind is less obviously whacky. So there is also that benefit to go along with those previously mentioned.
Loxodonta on May 13, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Hhhmmm, can’t imagine who you mean./
Well I am crazy at the other end of the spectrum. The eternal optimist. Guess who’s going to be really surprise when referenced countries take over?? I am getting to that stage of my life that a burqa will be quite flattering. But I am going to have to move further north.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2009 at 11:40 PM
AnninCA on May 13, 2009 at 11:37 PM
So not true. Valuing human life does not mean that you’re “just” against abortion, but that you realize that human life should be conceived within the bounds a stable loving family. Abortion is not a solution to any thing, and is really a red flag showing how little we are valuing human life in society.
catlady on May 13, 2009 at 11:41 PM
Have a safe trip.
thomasaur on May 13, 2009 at 11:43 PM
No Tommy_G. There is more to being a person then having sex at a young age. I am not young, but sex has consequences and most young people don’t give that a thought. Then it is to late. To much is put on sex. Sex is great but at the right time in ones life. Kids today or some want to be grown up. They don’t know the rules that they have to follow and abide to when they are released from the nest. Just like some have babies because they can have babies. Not because they want to have a baby. Why there are so many messed up kids. And I liked how you said that no one should call a child a Bastard. I agree. Is not the fault of that precious baby.
sheebe on May 13, 2009 at 11:44 PM
Hey, I have vertigo, a non standard form of something called Menure’s disease. Talk about being a “dizzy blonde”. My daughter has to always ask me when we watch tv, “is this making you sick, mom?” Needless to say, we don’t watch tv much in my house, and what we do watch is very very benign.
catlady on May 13, 2009 at 11:44 PM
Oh nose, Lox……..
……. we need you here. Be well.
Seven Percent Solution on May 13, 2009 at 11:46 PM
That’s even true for married soccer moms. I am horrified at the way I hear mothers speaking to their children. You can tell that these moms are so into themselves. Having children was just one of the many acquisitions on the possessions checklist.
Is it any wonder children hate their parents? They are indoctrinated all day long and then come home to self-absorbed parents who can’t wait for the big yellow bus to come by the next morning.
We have been in churches where the #1 prayer request around break times and end-of-the-year is for THEM (all about me!) to be able to cope with their kids being home. And then they practically cheer when the children are back in school.
People always look at me like I have three heads because I homeschool. It is not that it is always a cakewalk or that I never desire a break but children are a blessing and I can’t imagine a mother feeling so negatively toward her children. How is it that humans are worse toward their children than the animal kingdom!
PrincipledPilgrim on May 13, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Here in Ca. a Judge ordered a woman that was a welfare rat to get her tubes cut and tied. I guess she did. You are right.
sheebe on May 13, 2009 at 11:47 PM
Oh catlady…..I just can’t go there. Sex is just a God-given instinct and one of the better ones, I say.
I’d love to see the world address the sexism, which I’m convinced leads to women becoming scared to not “go there,” and way, way too young.
But it’s a systemic attitude that has to be address. All the direct stuff against sex just is working against nature.
AnninCA on May 13, 2009 at 11:48 PM
I can live without seeing a woman’s shape being salaciously displayed in public. However, I really want to see her eyes and smile.
And no matter how poorly you portray yourself, I can’t imagine that your eyes and smile aren’t warming to the coldest heart.
Loxodonta on May 13, 2009 at 11:50 PM
Interesting separation of society and nature. If society were actually correct the onset of puberty would be delayed in females until 18 years of age or higher. Nature tends to disagree and lets puberty remain where it has been for a few million years or more. Applying the current perception of morality onto heedless nature is an iffy prospect at best.
By single do they mean unmarried with a committed mate or single without a committed mate?
Like nature, I’m just happy they are born. Babies are hard not to love and if they have love, they should be alright.
BL@KBIRD on May 13, 2009 at 11:51 PM
Yes, because most of us right-to-lifers are huge advocates of having children out of wedlock and believe it’s a positive lifestyle choice.
Just stick with the “it’s just a clump of cells” argument.
thevastlane on May 13, 2009 at 11:52 PM
PrincipledPilgrim on May 13, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Good for you!
I agree. My two cents is also we have our children so busy that it gives them no time to reflect and process. I stay at home now, (was a corp exec) and love it. No, we don’t run around with five different activities for the kids every night, but we do take long walks, play games (like UNO) and read together. Guess what? My kids are turning out ok, good students and polite.
catlady on May 13, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Thank you. Did you ever hear Bill Cosby’s routine where he would say, “Hope the plane don’t crash!” to freak out his fellow travelers? Not that I am worried I just always remember it and laugh.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2009 at 11:54 PM
Well, I’m not one to think that a clump of cells is life. And the notion that the morning after pill is abortion does make me laugh.
That earns quite a few chuckles these days.
But…I think the right-to-lifers raised awareness and young girls are more prone to keep the baby than get abortions.
It sounds as though some of you regret this?
AnninCA on May 13, 2009 at 11:55 PM
You are quite the sweet talker. Perk up, we’ll figure out how to fight back against this craziness before to long. We have to, it’s a lead pipe cinch that the Republican Party isn’t going to get a clue.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2009 at 11:57 PM
And sexual organs are play toys as well. It’s a mortal sin not to play with them as often as possible with as many as possible. And recreational drugs are toys as well. Why else would they have called them recreational?
Narcissism.
Did you ever notice that IMMORALITY starts with I?
Loxodonta on May 13, 2009 at 11:59 PM
AnninCA on May 13, 2009 at 11:48 PM
I think that sexual attraction is a great thing, if it is in the bounds of marriage. I still have the hots for my studly fifty year old husband, and hope I always will.
I want my daughter to be proud of her sexuality, but also to be proud of herself, so that she will recognize that she does not have to conform to society but rather follow her own moral compass. My challenge as a parent is to instill in her the moral and spiritual compass that will steer her to realize that her body is a temple of God, and that a righteous woman is more precious than rubies.
catlady on May 13, 2009 at 11:59 PM
And sucking a baby out of the womb with a Hoover piece by piece is not going against nature?
thevastlane on May 14, 2009 at 12:01 AM
Actually I think of it every time my wife flies home to Canada but I can’t say anything as she is afraid of flying, and even more so after 9/11. Stay safe and have a good time. (and I hope your plane don’t crash.) -_-
thomasaur on May 14, 2009 at 12:01 AM
This place doesn’t need buzz killers.
Loxodonta on May 14, 2009 at 12:02 AM
Then it’s settled…………..
……… you have been officially been declared a “clump of cells”.
And regardless of your cries for mercy, and pleas of justice, you will be euthanized, for the greater good of the “producers” of society………..
…… your remains will be recycled for the good of the environment,
and your family will be charged for the process, and taxed on top of that to boot…….
Have a nice “after life”…………
…………… signed, “Your Government”.
Seven Percent Solution on May 14, 2009 at 12:05 AM
A lot of what you say is true but there are seasons in life. In a perfect world a child must learn to be a child and accept the opportunity to be nurtured and cared for. To learn life’s lessons in increments and grow into adulthood. You are an adult for a long long time, there doesn’t need to be a rush. Children by their very nature do not make experienced decisions. Children having children is not optimal and although I know it happens all over the world it doesn’t have to happen here.
Cindy Munford on May 14, 2009 at 12:05 AM
AnninCA on May 13, 2009 at 11:55 PM
You are missing the point. Abortions are a red societal flag that shows a society is not valuing life, particularly children. It show the moral decay going on. Unwed motherhood is yet another indicator of the lessening of the value for life (specifically the children) a society has. To draw the conclusion you are, we would have to verify that for the same time frame abortions declined, and I don’t believe that is true.
So, if abortions have gone up (my supposition, not fact checked) and out of wedlock births are up, what does this indicate about that society?
Hell. In. Handbasket.
catlady on May 14, 2009 at 12:06 AM
DO NOT read the following story:
Transcript: Pilots joked before Buffalo-area crash
You can read it.
Loxodonta on May 14, 2009 at 12:06 AM
Oh, I agree, Cindy. What’s interesting. My kid was one of the 40% who was a virgin until he was out of high school.
I know this is true because he had resentments about that. :)
I just am pretty certain that we need to address the idea of personal choice is a sideways way.
Going at it from a morality viewpoint usually lands pretty flat on kids whose hormones are in charge.
AnninCA on May 14, 2009 at 12:08 AM
Seriously! Such a downer. When my relatives get freaked out because I didn’t call them to tell them I arrived safely I ask, “did you hear that a plane crashed?” I must say I don’t know how I came from people so lacking in a sense of humor.
Cindy Munford on May 14, 2009 at 12:09 AM
I think marriage is definitely in trouble as an institution.
I hear from my own son. I’ve divorced.
He really doesn’t believe in marriage, and I presume that’s due to watching me.
AnninCA on May 14, 2009 at 12:10 AM
Going at it from a morality viewpoint usually lands pretty flat on kids whose hormones are in charge.
AnninCA on May 14, 2009 at 12:08 AM
Yeah, teenagers are VERY “hormonally challenged”
catlady on May 14, 2009 at 12:10 AM
Yet more proof that God has a wicked sense of humor.
Loxodonta on May 14, 2009 at 12:11 AM
Yet more proof that God has a wicked sense of humor.
Loxodonta on May 14, 2009 at 12:11 AM
Well sure, just look at Nancy Pelosi (not!) :)
catlady on May 14, 2009 at 12:12 AM
I love flying and have to have a window seat. Heck I’d rather go in a plane crash than a slow crawl to the grave.
thomasaur on May 14, 2009 at 12:13 AM
Isn’t that the problem though? The moral aspect is the fundamental. The problem isn’t that kids don’t care as much as the prevailing culture undercuts and derides any moral principles regarding fornication. If kids don’t have a moral compass, then the only reason to dissuade them from having premarital sex is practical. But with abortion and “safe sex”, kids are more likely to take the risk and ignore anyone who tries to dissuade them.
darii on May 14, 2009 at 12:15 AM
Wow…adults making individual choices about how they want to live their lives, and how they want to raise their families. Horrible.
DaveO on May 14, 2009 at 12:16 AM
If pro-lifers have won, then the overall birth rate in the U.S. should be up. It isn’t. The marriage rate is down. Women of normal childbearing age are still having babies but they aren’t marrying the daddies.
Maybe the daddies are the problem. I hate it when conservatives look at these numbers and just decide women are sluts and whores. Maybe today’s young men aren’t so attractive as husbands. Maybe if they put down the World of Warcraft and the Maxim magazine and turned off the ESPN, the baby mamas might be a little more interested in marrying them.
rockmom on May 14, 2009 at 12:17 AM
I read it. Until Capt. Sully I thought a plane crash was an okay way to go. Just enough time for a delete expletive and poof I am gone. Now I imagine myself standing on the wing of a floating (not for long) plane. Boo!
Cindy Munford on May 14, 2009 at 12:17 AM
Not a bad point. I don’t know about accusing people about being sluts, but the overall disinclination to marry is part of the culture.
darii on May 14, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Savage to Hillary PDF
Ugly on May 14, 2009 at 12:19 AM
Well, it is horrible when so many “adults” are making terrible individual choices, esp. when the prevailing media culture encourages such bad choices.
darii on May 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM
I think women want to get married. But if they wait for their man to grow up they will be too old to have babies. Our culture encourages boys to basically remain teenagers until they are 40.
rockmom on May 14, 2009 at 12:22 AM
Having witnessed and accompanied those that do, I can testify that the slow crawl to the grave can be a most remarkable and wondrous journey.
Loxodonta on May 14, 2009 at 12:22 AM
It’s all moral regardless whether it is biblically based. People are not animals, even young people. Self control is a valuable tool in all instances and should be an early lesson. As to marriage I understand, I have three adult children and no marriages. But it appears to be more of an extended life situation where people are waiting later to make those kinds of commitments. Maybe in the long run that will be good.
Cindy Munford on May 14, 2009 at 12:22 AM
Well, I can only pass along MY mistake. I am not religious. I’ve been involved on a very spiritual path for many years, but I’m not interested in organized religion at all.
So, my story may be fairly typical. My son became Muslim for awhile. Yes, you read that right. He was carrying around a rug, for heaven’s sakes.
My lesson? If you don’t provide some sort of formal spiritual training, your children will, indeed, find one.
Rest assured. His natural instincts have reemerged. He’s no longer Muslim.
But I can’t escape the irony that he found the most female-repressive religion he could pick. :)
And it makes for a great story about raising him.
I have great respect for those who managed to provide their children with the obvious need without also driving them into rebellion.
That is a very tricky slope.
AnninCA on May 14, 2009 at 12:22 AM
Marriage is terrific for raising kids. I stayed married while doing so. No regrets.
AnninCA on May 14, 2009 at 12:24 AM
The whole beta male phenom which is such an obsession here at HA?
darii on May 14, 2009 at 12:24 AM
You should meet my daughter. I keep telling myself she will change her mind but I think it would classified as a miracle if she got married.
Cindy Munford on May 14, 2009 at 12:25 AM
I can show you exactly how terrifying you are. Here.
Loxodonta on May 14, 2009 at 12:26 AM
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