Democrats surprised to discover CIA plays politics with intelligence
posted at 9:01 pm on May 13, 2009 by Allahpundit
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The innocence is heartbreaking, isn’t it?
On behalf of Bush voters everywhere, let me welcome the reality-based community to reality.
“I think there is so much embarrassment in some quarters [of the CIA] that people are going to try to shift some of the responsibility to others — that’s what I think,” said Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), who sat on the Senate Intelligence Committee and was briefed on interrogation techniques five times between 2006 and 2007.
Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, said he finds it “interesting” that a document detailing congressional briefings was released just as “some of the groups that have been responsible for these interrogation techniques were taking the most criticism.”
Asked whether the CIA was seeking political cover by releasing the documents, Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said: “Sure it is.”…
A top congressional official who has participated in the briefings added: “I think the agency wanted to get this out, quite frankly.”
It’s unclear at the moment whether Pelosi first learned of waterboarding in September 2002, as the CIA claimed, or in early 2003 when her intelligence aide, who’d attended a briefing on her behalf, told her about it, but what’s evidently not in dispute is that she could have done — yet didn’t do — much more to make her alleged objections to the practice known.
Over the past week, a half-dozen senior Republican and Democratic aides canvassed by POLITICO have outlined a menu of options Pelosi could have pursued to protest harsh interrogations.
All agreed she could have written a classified letter to the CIA — as Rep. Jane Harman, her successor on the intelligence committee, did after she was briefed on the technique in February 2003.
Pelosi, they said, also could have pressured President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney directly by requesting a meeting with them, or by buttonholing them during previously scheduled meetings, or by writing a letter to them.
A sterling question from ABC: If Pelosi’s telling the truth when she claims that the CIA didn’t inform her about Abu Zubaydah’s waterboarding in September 2002, why isn’t she raising holy hell about it? That’s a serious omission on their part vis-a-vis a member of the House intel committee, and one that’s causing her no small amount of grief right now as Speaker. And yet, per her spokesman, she “is making no accusation against the CIA.” Why so shy, Nan? Get angry!
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silly mules the Plame Game wasn’t a one time thing….CIA will hamstring at will and with help from No Such Agency *does* read your e-mail.
sven10077 on May 13, 2009 at 9:04 PM
She is angry. Her face just doesn’t move.
SouthernGent on May 13, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Liberal bloggers are now suggesting the CIA makes up stuff and you know screws with intelligence too.
No really. It’s hilarious how the CIA went from being these poor, hardworking souls bullied for intelligence by the Bush administration to cunning, conniving criminals cherry-picking intelligence to cover up their crimes.
Topsecretk9 on May 13, 2009 at 9:07 PM
SouthernGent stole my comment but said it more articulately =)
Drunk Report on May 13, 2009 at 9:07 PM
The Dems politicized the agency in the first place…reap what you sew.
AUINSC on May 13, 2009 at 9:09 PM
How come Nancy’s eyes aren’t blinking?
canopfor on May 13, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Must have had another eyelift.
Wethal on May 13, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Thanks. It’s a rarity. I’m usually verbally ham-handed.
SouthernGent on May 13, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Ya know, I think this is the CIA’s way of telling Pelosi not to f*** with them. Every time she changes her story, they produce more documentation that proves she’s full of crap. Best for her to shut up while she’s still ahead – I don’t doubt for one minute that the Dems would toss her under the bus over this one, especially if it means that they don’t have to look for other employment come next election.
uncivilized on May 13, 2009 at 9:12 PM
They are – you just can’t see them. Her eyelids are on top of her head now.
uncivilized on May 13, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Thank God in heaven for the CIA…. They know better than the liberals and will do what they need to do to keep us safe, hopefully. Maybe I read too many Vince Flynn books, but I love the CIA and can only hope that Mitch Rapp has his sights set on Pelosi, Reid and Obama. They need to be reined in before we don’t have an America. Conquer from within, right?
suzyk on May 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM
They made her blink, but you missed it. :-)
Feedie on May 13, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Hope they enjoy that steamy e-mail I sent my girlfriend.
ThePrez on May 13, 2009 at 9:16 PM
By all means. I really really REALLY wish she would piss off the CIA. I mean red faced all hell cut loose pissed off. That would totally make my day.
Guardian on May 13, 2009 at 9:17 PM
Good question,why hasn’t Nancy raised holy h#ll!
Well,its rather simple,she is still putting together a
bailout perposal,so she can fire up her manufacturing
‘OUTRAGE’!!!
canopfor on May 13, 2009 at 9:17 PM
they likely do….when I was at Meade the guys seemed geeky down the road….
anyway at the end of the day the donks will get destroyed by the Framboys if they try for Church2….
moonbat or paleocon none of the agency has forgiven the post Nixon grandstanding.
sven10077 on May 13, 2009 at 9:19 PM
This woman shouldn’t be holding a job as the front desk clerk at Motel 6, much less Speaker of the House.
This is like having Eddie Gaedel play an entire career in the Major Leagues.
This mental/moral midget is an appalling affront to everything this country stands for.
Just a worthless, stupid woman. The day she leaves Congress it will vastly improve.
NoDonkey on May 13, 2009 at 9:19 PM
Because Nancy is a Liar! She knew what they were doing and she was briefed as well.
sheebe on May 13, 2009 at 9:21 PM
I have another name to call Pelosi besides ‘Liar’. It rhymes with ‘bitch’.
Apologetic California on May 13, 2009 at 9:22 PM
I really like the first quote:
“I think there is so much embarrassment in some quarters [of the CIA] that people are going to try to shift some of the responsibility to others — that’s what I think, ….”.
— Carl Levin
There is no more fitting word for this than beclown and “think” has nothing whatever to do with what Carl was doing here.
Dusty on May 13, 2009 at 9:22 PM
sheebe the Farmboys would tolerate her lying they cannot tolerate her trying to put them in the crosshairs along with Bush…
sven10077 on May 13, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Well you nailed that one, Gent….
Patrick S on May 13, 2009 at 9:24 PM
“Oversight-what’s that…one of our jobs or something?”
//Levin-(d)state of confusion
sven10077 on May 13, 2009 at 9:24 PM
Liar.
Weight of Glory on May 13, 2009 at 9:24 PM
The NSA geeks are quite distinct from CIA…worked with both, prefer CIA. The guys at Meade are strange.
As for Pelosi…she has painted herself in a corner. If she wasn’t briefed, and can prove it with authentic documentation, then she is shirking her sworn duty by not making a very loud affair about it.
But, she was briefed…and so were her staffers, apparently. She is depending on the ignorance of the people, and the loyalties of the anti-Bush Obamatrons to cover her botoxed butt.
coldwarrior on May 13, 2009 at 9:25 PM
Just a worthless, stupid woman. The day she leaves Congress it will vastly improve.
[NoDonkey on May 13, 2009 at 9:19 PM]
Yeah. But another day has passed where the Dems have again shown they approve of not only having a blatant liar as the leader of their Party in the House of Representatives but a terribly incompetent one at that.
Dusty on May 13, 2009 at 9:28 PM
Love the way AllahP always puts the tag under the Pelosi pic:
Liar.
I’m starting to see that as her name now.
AUINSC on May 13, 2009 at 9:30 PM
indeed…the best of the best I have ever met at their job(in part because of the precise nature of it) were the DIA guys but I digress…
CIA got burned in the effort to save Beijing Bill and Gorelick’s rep….they will NOT go down quietly again.
sven10077 on May 13, 2009 at 9:32 PM
What do they call that?
Karma…
Hey Nancy-poo, mess with the bull, ya get the horns….
Hog Wild on May 13, 2009 at 9:35 PM
Not asked for reaction to Pelosi’s approval of torture, Cindy Sheehan, found waiting by her mail box waiting for her last 10 monthly protest stipend checks that will never come, didn’t have the chance to say, “My opinion isn’t worth squat nowadays.”
Dusty on May 13, 2009 at 9:37 PM
The fact that they dragged out old Slippery Bill to bash Cheney says it all. They are worried. He’s going to get those 2 memos released telling about stopping an LA terror attack. There is more to this than meets the eye with the Clintons and all their people in place with no nothing Obama in the office. Interesting yet worrisome.
suzyk on May 13, 2009 at 9:37 PM
When Nixon got caught in his Watergate lies, Barry Goldwater and other conservative leaders went to him and told him he had to go. Where are any good liberal leaders to go to Queen Pelosi and tell her she has got to go?
MB4 on May 13, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Well
It’s official.
I have no idea how I’m going to get through the next four years with these morons running the show.
blatantblue on May 13, 2009 at 9:41 PM
You’re not alone. These people are having a very detrimental impact on my life plans…I’m trying to rethink them all now.
AUINSC on May 13, 2009 at 9:43 PM
I’m telling ya, they have something really good on some of these people and now they are running scared….I can smell it.
TheBigOldDog on May 13, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Oh what a tangled but transparent web Queen Pelosi does weave with her incompetent attempts to deceive.
All those years that she had to learn how to deceive from the master, Bill Clinton, and she learned nothing.
MB4 on May 13, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Same. I’m not nearly as enthused about my career plans as I used to be. I’m sure that could be said for many other people.
Stupid Plastic Speaker of the House.
Flapping her damn hands like a seal at the SOTU.
blatantblue on May 13, 2009 at 9:45 PM
The only thing preventing an ongoing pogrom by the Dems is the realization that they too will enjoy a mounting body count within their own ranks.
Evidently head cutting is only a useful exercise to the extent to which your own neck is safe.
moxie_neanderthal on May 13, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Not four years…just 1397 days…for Obama.
For Pelosi…and most of the House…about 555 days.
coldwarrior on May 13, 2009 at 9:45 PM
will she survive?
rob verdi on May 13, 2009 at 9:46 PM
How come Nancy’s eyes aren’t blinking?
canopfor on May 13, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Nan was just in the shop having her face torqued.
viking01 on May 13, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Maybe Granny McBotox should have thought a little harder before she hung Jane Harman out to dry.
rockmom on May 13, 2009 at 9:46 PM
The old saying, “If you strike the king [Queen], you must kill him [her]” She’s too emotional to go quietly. I’m sure if they try to take her down her first reaction will be to take other with her. She’s a vindictive lady.
TheBigOldDog on May 13, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Depends on how much she has on others…
TheBigOldDog on May 13, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Well — I’ll tell you this:
If the Democrats lose the Houses in two years…
I’m going to get piss drunk; engaging in total inebriation.
Then, I’m going to find the closest Democrat, shove my finger down my throat, and throw up all over that Democrat.
Okay probably not — but we can dream, can we not?!
blatantblue on May 13, 2009 at 9:48 PM
rockmom
You are right – Cat fight.
suzyk on May 13, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Um, that sound you hear is Steny Hoyer warming up the bus.
rockmom on May 13, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Look folks…man I am usually not the person to type “bright” but….
the coming stress will in the end be a great marker for who we are as a nation, the US has been in worse jams in her past and our strength used to come from the people….
it either still does or doesn’t….
will people who should not be in harm’s way economically now be put there, absolutely but the nation has great resource wealth and has the most productive workers in the world….encourage your kids to get vocational skills in lieu of overpriced useless degrees and teach them “a fair days’ work for a fair days’ pay” as meaning they are competitors with the world…..
this crash will kill the UAW and one day we’ll get industry back….or we won’t.
Time to see who we are.
sven10077 on May 13, 2009 at 9:49 PM
No…just find a nice Conservative girl [think Carrie Prejean] and celebrate the moment. I plan on doing the same. :-)
coldwarrior on May 13, 2009 at 9:50 PM
I think it is pathetic when a rank a ranking member of the Senate Intelligence Committee airs his dirty laundry for all our enemies to see!
Pam on May 13, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Think deer that has wandered unto a six lane expressway and finally SEES the headlights.
Nancy has been playing games with the CIA. Hell, that group has some people in such deep cover that many of them aren’t even sure who is out there, or maybe was out there, or should be out there, or even where the there is for sure. Their shadows have shadows.
Nancy now sees the headlights. She cannot see into the shadows behind them. Exit question: is she smart enough to worry about the shadows?
Yoop on May 13, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Well, if Stretch finally loses out there will always be a warm place for her to relocate in Syria.
viking01 on May 13, 2009 at 9:52 PM
All the Kings men couldn’t put Humpty Pelosi back together again!
TN Mom on May 13, 2009 at 9:52 PM
LOL that reminds me of election night.
I was at the bar on campus, drinking away my sorrows — drowning in Guinness and Sam Adams. At least the beer was cold.
So, I saw this one kid I knew, who I never took for a ladies man, walk up to a blonde he’d never met, and two minutes later, walk out of the bar, disappearing for 45 minutes.
But then again, she had been in the bar for quite some time before us.
Even though we lost, he had a good night.
blatantblue on May 13, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Nancy does however look like she is sucking on a lemon even if she is not blinking!
This whole thing is so deja vu for me because just four days ago I told the husbat I thought the CIA would be beyond pissed the Dems were hanging them out to dry. WOW! Way to go guys and gals! Chalk one up for the folks in the shadows!
And to all you black hat wearers who bother to read our little blogs; just remember we the people have been wanting you guys to finally get it through your heads the Dems are far more of a danger than we Conservatives. If you can leak like the Titanic during Bush, could you guys get busy with the new guy? Save the country and save the people. Otherwise, some of you might find yourselves like the French black hat wearers while Chirac was in power. They totally left. For the most part, we as a people, like it that you guys and gals are around saving our asses and allowing us to live our normal lives oblivious to what is really going on out there in the world. Thanks!
Now what is the bet Hoyer knifes Pelosi with some help from Dead Fish? And IF Pelosi goes down; will that scumbag Murtha? Please Lord!
freeus on May 13, 2009 at 9:54 PM
*sighs* Me too.
Was planning to go into business. Had a good idea w/investors. Since the stock market crash however, that went down the tubes, and probably will stay there until the recovery.
Which at this rate will never happen.
Chaz706 on May 13, 2009 at 9:54 PM
He was a College Republican — just adding that.
blatantblue on May 13, 2009 at 9:54 PM
It was pretty good, but I’ve read better. I can give you some pointers if you want.
BobMbx on May 13, 2009 at 9:55 PM
I’m not a big fan of the CIA especially after they engineered leaks that hurt previous administrations for political reasons.
Although libs might not grant this, I think anyone who stands accused has a right to defend themselves, including the CIA. I don’t think the CIA’s defense of itself is really political in this instance; especially since it is their ‘allies’ they are defending themselves against.
ElRonaldo on May 13, 2009 at 9:56 PM
don’t limit yourself to waiting for recovery here….when the rest of the west passes us by and the EUro becomes the new currency of choice follow it….
you don’t owe Ogabe your servitude or loyalty….HE owes you service.
sven10077 on May 13, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Let’s see, possible criminal charges, probable identity publication added to the positive knowledge that all responsible parties were informed and had the opportunity to object, they do appear to be a tad touchy. Did the CIA get this angry when Armitage outed Ms. Plame?
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Steney no doubt has a behind-the-scenes hand in getting at least some of this stuff out, but he may be feeling the same sort of frustration and anger Reupblicans have felt when the big media outlets have ignored past Democratic scandals, because they’re trying to do it again with Pelosi.
Poliical junkies know all about Nancy’s problems, but while the casual news viewer was swamped in March and April by stories on the torture allegations, they’re hearing little about Pelosi’s problems, even though the Democrats would be in better shape strategically if Hoyer was running the House and Pelosi was running a trolley on California Street.
jon1979 on May 13, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Hoekstra on Greta calling for the CIA to declassify and release all 40 memos relating to the congressional briefings so that the American people knows what congress knew and when.
TheBigOldDog on May 13, 2009 at 10:03 PM
No, they wanted Plame Outed, they couldn’t stand her.
doriangrey on May 13, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Penata is refusing to release them in his response.
TheBigOldDog on May 13, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Using fire against fire, heh. BTW, [OT] but I wanted to pass along this song to you. Savage fans get it: Smiling Faces.
Feedie on May 13, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Sooper Sekrit Agent 925 was a joke….
this ain’t…
sven10077 on May 13, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Hoekstra claims Obama admin went through a selective declassification designed to take a shot at the Bush admin and is refusing to release the rest.
TheBigOldDog on May 13, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Yep…same…starting a business is looking more and more like a lost dream right now. At least it is in the US.
AUINSC on May 13, 2009 at 10:05 PM
You’ll remember Queen Pelosi was blindsided by the Pope not long ago. She was expecting kisses and tears, what she got was torn a new arsehole by the Good Man himself regarding her views on abortion. Her book is an embarassing flop. She’s an idiot…with a lot of control. I’ll be lining up for the Sarah Palin bio.
kellyjane on May 13, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Pelosi was being run over by a trolley on California Street.
TruthToBeTold on May 13, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Hoekstra: Pelosi knew about these programs. They supported these programs. The decision making started with Congress and if they want to hold others accountable, they must also be held accountable. These documents will be made public. It’s just a matter of time becuase he’s a bulldog.
TheBigOldDog on May 13, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Man the Left made an enormous strategic miscalculation.
TheBigOldDog on May 13, 2009 at 10:11 PM
I would think they must have really disliked her since I would think they wouldn’t want a lot of publicity for any of their ranks. She appeared to really really like the publicity did she?
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Nancy suddenly finds herself in a dense forest on a moonless night with no light. The darkness holds things that would do her ill. She’s feeling a bit creepy. Something just blew a cold breath on the back of her neck. The shadows-in-the-dark hold secrets that could make her blood run cold.
Damn… I hope she’s having fun. She’s sensing change in the future?
Yoop on May 13, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Got that one right. Vacuous Val was not an exceptional officer, and her “cover” was blown long long before she arranged to have her husband run an errand ostensibly for the Vice President.
She was assigned to a multi-agency task force, and not re-assigned overseas. Was essentially prevented from overseas assignment. No loss, really, since she moved from being an operations officer to a quasi-analysis position.
The professionals at CIA are angry. Leon Panetta’s assignment as DCI is slowly being accepted…he does ask the good questions, and is generally supportive of his people. He is trying to add to what General Mike Hayden started after the Tenet-Goss mess, following that buffoon Deutch.
But, today, having your President and Congress make it public that they believe the Agency is the enemy, playing games with the lives of the officers, and worse, the lives of assets who risk it all…a slow roll out at the campus on 123 is the least of the problems these days.
People are leaving. Good people. The losses of the Clinton era, caused mostly by Deutch, are being replicated…as many of my former colleagues have said often since January…why bother?
coldwarrior on May 13, 2009 at 10:20 PM
she had decided to quit by the time all hell broke loose…
the little drama was for the consumption for people who don’t know the difference between overt and covert and legal and loose….
Sooper Sekrit Agent 925 was so covert she drove a vehicle with a Farm sticker on the windshield and was outed constantly by hubby and her own penned bio….
didn’t stop the noise machine though did it?
sven10077 on May 13, 2009 at 10:20 PM
I know, that’s why the surprise is surprising. They are so use to being the leakers instead of the subject of leaks it must have been a big shock. I am hoping that some more people from many different departments and private industries will get worried enough about their loss of freedom that more leaks will be coming. Democrats having bullying down to an art form.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2009 at 10:21 PM
LOL they do get it
that they do!
They loved it.
I was shocked at how the media made such hay of it all.
She hadn’t been covert in years, thus, no wrong had been done in her outing.
blatantblue on May 13, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Memo to Democrats: Karma, baby, Karma.
GarandFan on May 13, 2009 at 10:21 PM
That’s ashame to lose talented people. You know how you get vibes from people? I have never gotten a bad feeling about Panetta. During and after the Clinton administration he always seemed to carry himself as a professional. Obviously I could just be forgetting but he seems to want to do the right thing.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2009 at 10:26 PM
I’m drinking(local Arkansas wine mostly) I suggest you do likewise. Arkansas makes good wine and I’m not joking.
If you are on a low carb diet they make a wine sweetened with splenda.
Drink,mow the lawwn, bang the wife, play a little poker at the indian casino, argue with the wife about losing money at the indian casino(while she loses at the slots),read hot air and post comments that nobody reads, go to work, write letters and make phone calls and donate a little money. Repeat and wait for 2012
kangjie on May 13, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Stitch? /plastic surgery joke
At first I read your nick as ‘Apoplectic Californian.’ Me too.
baldilocks on May 13, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Stitch? /plastic surgery joke
At first I read your nick as ‘Apoplectic Californian.’ Me too.
baldilocks on May 13, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Memo to Socialist Demscum and their Pinnochio Presidente:
The CIA is not to be screwed with. They eat scum like you for breakfast, will whip your sorry asses and not even work up a sweat.
You are messing with people who made messing with people their main job, their mission in life, their work, their play. Their good at it as you asshat clowns will soon find out!
dhunter on May 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM
If I remember correctly, Michelle Malkin had pointed out of F&F one morning that the intelligence community was full of leaks but the President Bush didn’t do anything to stop them.
Fast forward to today. Why now is the left hating what they embraced just a few short months ago?
madmonkphotog on May 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Leon is an old Army Intelligence hand. After leaving the Clinton administration he and his wife went home to Monterey, set up a public policy institute over at the former Fort Ord, and he had a very good rep among the many foreign policy and other institutions around Monterey. He is no dummy. Did some good work on the Baker Commission, as well. Of all the folks in the present administration, Panetta is the only one I’d invite to my home for dinner and some good wine.
But, he is hamstrung by the ODNI and the White House, already. He is a minor player as is CIA these days.
coldwarrior on May 13, 2009 at 10:32 PM
I find the union of FBI and CIA functions in the guise of DHS joint work disquieting.
sven10077 on May 13, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Where the heck is Loxodonta. I don’t think I have seen a post for a couple of days. Not that it isn’t easy to miss someone.
Oh by the way, I go dark after tonight until next Tuesday probably.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2009 at 10:37 PM
CIA has nothing to do with DHS…they maintain a liaison office relationship, as DHS has an intel function, but CIA is foreign intelligence, not domestic or law enforcement.
The ODNI and DHS are creations of the 9-11 Commission, and badly. ODNI sucked most of the active experienced CIA operations officers from CIA to fill desks at ODNI. All CIA intel has to pass through ODNI before it can be acted on…a major layer of bureaucracy that has lessened not enhanced CIA’s ability to do its job. Another reason why CIA is suffering a major loss of experienced officers and institutional memory.
coldwarrior on May 13, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Lox is fine but depressed….was over on the Ogabe does Econ thread…..
you be safe when you’re AFK
regards,
sven
sven10077 on May 13, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Loxodonta is in the house. Posted over at the police brutality thread earlier.
coldwarrior on May 13, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Memo to Demscum and their Pinnochio Presidente:
The CIA messes with people as their main mission. This is what they live , breath, work for.
You picked a fight with professional spooks who made scewing with people their livelyhood.
They will chew you up spit you out and grind you under their heel before breakfast and without working up a sweat.
Way to go you arrogant fools!
Next time you plot some assinine political ploy look over you shoulder, under your car, in your telephone reciever or under your desk. You might just have company and your voice might show up on u-tube.
Oh, and by the way there’s nothing of interest on your computers is there. No underwear that aren’t yours under your car seat or in your desk drawer?
HaHaHaHa someones watching you!
dhunter on May 13, 2009 at 10:41 PM
My understanding of the situation is foggy over the last five years but the DHS growing pain phase as I recall had them trying to play clearinghouse on inside outside judgment calls on investigating assets….
my contacts have left…
the brain drain and lost skills are real….
Humint is a dusty dream compared to peak.
sven10077 on May 13, 2009 at 10:42 PM
He’s in a tough spot then. I don’t see him caving out of loyalty but then I don’t see Pres. Obama allowing you to stick around if loyalty isn’t your first priority. These are obviously all just impressions but I don’t see The Won putting up with the word “No”. I always wonder if there wasn’t a bit of that in W since the Porter Goss tenure was so short.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2009 at 10:42 PM
Never actually met and worked with a CIA officer?
Too many hours of “24?”
coldwarrior on May 13, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Thanks to everyone giving me updates on Loxodonta. I am amazed at how fast I will go mom on people.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2009 at 10:45 PM
No.
Come on I was just bored and havin fun and you had to go and rain on my parade. Oh well it rained on my Tea Party too but I showed up anyway.
dhunter on May 13, 2009 at 10:47 PM
PR has its uses…imagine a strong America with the CIA of the early post Donovan leadership playing with OBL…
a boy can dream
sven10077 on May 13, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Goss was a former LA Division officer who left CIA and then ran for Congress. He was selected to follow Tenet after major internal problems arose during Tenet’s lengthy period as DCI and a lot of less than sterling assessments made in the run up to the Iraq War. Goss was chosen because of his involvement in the post-9-11 Patriot Act and other Congressional efforts to “reform” the intelligence services, and his being a former CIA officer.
Goss came in loaded for bear…and alienated most of the officers with whom he formerly served…was a bull in the china shop. He simply could not focus on the problem, and believed that rearranging desks was more important than trying to improve the product. Hayden was a breath of fresh air. A lifetime intelligence professional, and, unlike Goss, had no political skeletons in the closet.
coldwarrior on May 13, 2009 at 10:49 PM
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