Video: Notre Dame’s students respond to Obama honor

posted at 1:05 pm on May 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

A presidential speech at a commencement confers a substantial amount of prestige onto a university, at least under normal circumstances. This Sunday, though, Notre Dame students believe the university will damage its prestige and its mission as a Catholic university by honoring President Barack Obama with a doctorate in his appearance.  They have mobilized to protest the award and the invitation, and in the process the students and faculty may be teaching Notre Dame instead of the other way around:

In defense of the unborn, we wish to express our deepest opposition to Reverend John I. Jenkins, C.S.C.’s invitation of President Barack Obama to be the University of Notre Dame’s principal commencement speaker and the recipient of an honorary degree. Our objection is not a matter of political partisanship, but of President Obama’s hostility to the Catholic Church’s teachings on the sanctity of human life at its earliest stages. Further, the University’s decision runs counter to the policy of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops against honoring pro-choice politicians. We cannot sit by idly while the University honors someone who believes that an entire class of human beings is undeserving of the most basic of all legal rights, the right to live.

Additionally, Fr. Jenkins has put some of his students into a position of moral dilemma as to whether they should attend their own graduation. Many pro-life seniors, along with their families, now feel personally conflicted about participating in the commencement. The lack of concern for these devoted sons and daughters of Notre Dame, who love this University and the Catholic principles on which it was built, is shameful.

As a Catholic, I’m less concerned about the invitation to speak at the campus.  Universities exist to debate issues great and trivial, and opposing points of view should be welcomed, but also challenged.  Obama’s commencement speech will probably not touch on abortion and the sanctity of life, especially after this controversy, but if it does, the university will have no structure in place to challenge Obama’s rhetoric on the subject.

The honoring of Obama with a doctorate is what gives Catholics offense.  The US Conference of Catholic Bishops had just warned about honoring politicians who support abortion as antithetical to the church’s core value of the sanctity of life.  It trades a momentary boost in prestige against serious damage to that core mission, on which most of the social-justice efforts of the church rely after all, if human life has no sanctity, then why bother with the poor and hungry?  Honoring Obama after his life’s record of opposing even the most broadly-supported restrictions on abortion, such as the Born Alive Infant Protection Act’s Illinois equivalent, is shameful indeed.

I’ll be traveling on Sunday and will probably miss the Notre Dame protest, but from the looks of this video, the activists have the resources and skills to gain national attention.  It could be a tremendous teaching moment if ND Response can pull it together.


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May they never win another football game.

joepub on May 12, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Good luck to them.

joe_doufu on May 12, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Notre Dame’s granting of an honorary degree to someone who doesn’t give a damn about partial birth abortion, let alone abortion in the womb, makes about as much sense as the Marine Corps making a Japanese soldier on Iwo Jima an honorary Marine.

OhEssYouCowboys on May 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM

“joepub on May 12, 2009 at 1:09 PM”

missing.the.point.

Buckaroo on May 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Notre Dame administration echo chamber breech in 5… 4… 3…

Mew

acat on May 12, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Notre Dame’s granting of an honorary degree to someone who doesn’t give a damn about partial birth abortion, let alone abortion in the womb, makes about as much sense as the Marine Corps making a Japanese soldier on Iwo Jima an honorary Marine.

OhEssYouCowboys on May 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Well said! Perfect analogy. I always wanted to get my Masters Degree from ND. If the Aborter in Chief shows up, I’ll spend my money elsewhere. There is still something to be said for principled values, regardless of what the statist viewpoint is today. I hope the students at ND rise up and shut the door on this abject travesty.

HomeoftheBrave on May 12, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Those students are just racists straight up/

Knucklehead on May 12, 2009 at 1:14 PM

This could be a watershed moment. If those who believe in the preciousness of life were to stand up and turn their backs, or simply walk out during Obama’s speech….wow.

portlandon on May 12, 2009 at 1:14 PM

It will be interesting to see if the either valedictory or salutatory commencement honorees are allowed to speak truth to power in their addresses, if they want to affirm the Church’s teachings, or if their speeches might possibly be pre-edited by administrators for content.

jon1979 on May 12, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Notre Dame’s granting of an honorary degree to someone who doesn’t give a damn about partial birth abortion, let alone abortion in the womb, makes about as much sense as the Marine Corps making a Japanese soldier on Iwo Jima an honorary Marine.

OhEssYouCowboys on May 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Let alone babies born alive left to die in trash.

Esthier on May 12, 2009 at 1:15 PM

the activists have the resources and skills to gain national attention.

….RIIIIIIIIGHT…….

You’re kidding yourself if you think it will see the light of day.

The same media that asked Partial-Birth-Barack ZERO questions about abortion or guns in the entire campaign, the same media that says Carrie prejean is “hateful” while “forgetting” to mention perez called her a B–tch and a C–t on live TV, the same media that conducts approval polls with a sample of Dems +19 over Repubs (and with all that obama still is stuck in the 60%s), the same media that had a blackout on John Edwards and Tea parties but ran rumors about mccain on page 1 of the NYT, suddenly they will highlight an anti-Obama pro-life CATHOLIC protest?

Ed, I can get you a great deal on the Brooklyn Bridge.

battleoflepanto1571 on May 12, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Karma and The Virgin Mary are powerful

i’m betting on them at the end of the day

Obama the child killer will get his comeuppance one day

I wait for that day

JJKRN on May 12, 2009 at 1:16 PM

This is a worthwhile cause. God can take an uncomfortable situation and turn it to the good of our nation. I support Catholics who stand as witnesses of God.

Awake the conscience of America.

petunia on May 12, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Buckaroo on May 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM

I.know.what.the.point.is.

This is a “national” college that has its own network contract. They sell their tradition and Touchdown Jesus, but when push comes to shove, they are really about $$$…Let them lose games, lose public interest, and lose $$$…then maybe, they will get it.

joepub on May 12, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Obama’s commencement speech will probably not touch on abortion and the sanctity of life, especially after this controversy, but if it does, the university will have no structure in place to challenge Obama’s rhetoric on the subject.

I’m betting that this will be an in-your-face moment for Obama. He’s leaving FOCA alone for now, and he needs to beam something to his pro-abortion supporters. I think he’ll offer his argument that “pro-lifers need to come at the debate with more than religion.” It’s part of the Dem schtick that “they’re personally against it, but don’t have an argument that precludes women from obtaining abortions.”

And when he does, ND will be even bigger fools than they already are.

ND: Don’t expect Obama to call the morning after to tell you that he loves you.

BuckeyeSam on May 12, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Watch out for the wrath of “Don Obama”

joseywales on May 12, 2009 at 1:18 PM

ND: Don’t expect Obama to call the morning after to tell you that he loves you.

BuckeyeSam on May 12, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Indeed.

Mr. D on May 12, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Notre Dame’s granting of an honorary degree to someone who doesn’t give a damn about partial birth abortion, let alone abortion in the womb, makes about as much sense as the Marine Corps making a Japanese soldier on Iwo Jima an honorary Marine.
OhEssYouCowboys on May 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM

At least the Japanese were some hard-assed fighters, deserving of respect, while this lying scumbag we have for a President is an out-and-out traitor.

TexasJew on May 12, 2009 at 1:21 PM

The only way for any protest to get any air time is if it happens during Obama’s speech. If they respectfully stand up and turn their backs, or quietly leave it could send a BIG message.

Remember, Dissent is patriotic isn’t it?

portlandon on May 12, 2009 at 1:21 PM

You certainly do not have to be Catholic to care about this. Being pro-life isn’t a faith thing to me, it’s an essential human rights issue to me.

Bob's Kid on May 12, 2009 at 1:22 PM

The protestors need to walk to the front of the hall as soon as the O-prompter takes the podium, and turn their backs toward him, toward the rest of the audience. Then see if they can convince their classmates to do the same, and get Fox News to photograph the scene.

Steve Z on May 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM

And is he going to shut down the Catholic hospitals who refuse to do abortion procedures under his insane socialized medical scheme?

TexasJew on May 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM

“joepub on May 12, 2009 at 1:17 PM”

have they lost donations since this broke? i.e. have they felt any pain at all for this ghastly mistake?

Buckaroo on May 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM

The difference is that the students, finding an unwanted newborn on the ground would try to save it, Obama would let it bleed out.

Harsh, but so it Aborting a nine month old child.

GunRunner on May 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM

You certainly do not have to be Catholic to care about this. Being pro-life isn’t a faith thing to me, it’s an essential human rights issue to me.

Bob’s Kid on May 12, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Of course this isn’t just a Catholic matter. I’m a Protestant, and I believe that life begins at conception. There are several Biblical passages regarding the sanctity of life in the womb.

OhEssYouCowboys on May 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Ed, Hussein actively promotes and defends INFANTICIDE. That is, murdering live born children, if it goes against the “intent” of their murderous mothers.

I am pleased to see many students planning not to attend. It is my sincere desire to see Hussein reading his teleprompter to a lake of empty wooden seats.

dogsoldier on May 12, 2009 at 1:25 PM

The honoring of Obama with a doctorate is what gives Catholics offense. The US Conference of Catholic Bishops had just warned about honoring politicians who support abortion as antithetical to the church’s core value of the sanctity of life.

Notre Dame will be handing out real degrees at graduation–many of which will go to students who support abortion. The degree isn’t an endorsement of the recipients political and moral positions but rather a certificate recognizing accomplishments.

A graduate with a real degree conveys to the world the manner in which the University shaped their mind. An honorary degree is a keepsake that commencement speakers get, not something that goes on the resume or functions as a meaningful recognition.

dedalus on May 12, 2009 at 1:26 PM

I hope the students that protest don’t have any compromising photos out there….

CDeb on May 12, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Don’t confuse the attitude of Rev. Jenkins and the board to that of the school as a whole. Notre Dame is a Catholic University and the majority of catholic students and faculty on this campus are against having BO give the address. It would be marvelous if the majority of the student body stood up and turned their backs to the One as he gave his address.

Kuffar on May 12, 2009 at 1:29 PM

May they never win another football game.

joepub on May 12, 2009 at 1:09 PM

I was hoping for that even before this mess.

MarkTheGreat on May 12, 2009 at 1:31 PM

“Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them… well, I have others.”

the_nile on May 12, 2009 at 1:31 PM

It would be marvelous if the majority of the student body stood up and turned their backs to the One as he gave his address.

Kuffar on May 12, 2009 at 1:29 PM

It would be better if, upon turning their backs, they could all read the big screen teleprompter, like he uses for the press conferences.

Just imagine a few hundred ND grads reading Obama’s speech along with him.

BigD on May 12, 2009 at 1:31 PM

As a Catholic, I’m less concerned about the invitation to speak at the campus. Universities exist to debate issues great and trivial, and opposing points of view should be welcomed,

Yes, however these issues should be brought up in places where study and debate may take place as part of the curriculum. To bring divergent thinkers to lectures, to panels, to labs, and to group meetings is wholly appropriate. A commencement address is NOT one of these places. It is where the University makes it’s last presentation of it’s purpose to it’s students. A graduation is a place for summarizing, and frankly sermonizing, the university’s goals and achievements. To present a speaker with a fundamentally different viewpoint from those goals does a disservice to the students and families who chose that school because that speaker is speaking from a position of authority now.

Fighton03 on May 12, 2009 at 1:31 PM

if human life has no sanctity, then why bother with the poor and hungry?

Because it’s natural for people to try and alleviate other people’s suffering. If you don’t have that urge within you absent a divine order, then you should not lecture others on morals to begin with.

radiofreevillage on May 12, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Obama: “Call a meeting of the ACORN brownshirts. We might need them soon.”

Daggett on May 12, 2009 at 1:32 PM

makes about as much sense as the Marine Corps making a Japanese soldier on Iwo Jima an honorary Marine.

OhEssYouCowboys on May 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Most of the Japanese soldiers on Iwo Jima fought bravely and with honor. These are qualities that are prized by the Marines.

MarkTheGreat on May 12, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Aside from his views on abortion I’d object more to him showing up in ANY school that teaches anything about the constitution. For a guy that’s supposed to be well read in the constructs of the constitution he sure goes out of his way to trash it at every opportunity. The abortion debate will be around for decades without a solution, we need to take issue with his trampling of our rights NOW before we can’t speak in public without special permission and censoring, and the states become a simple extension of the fed with rubber stamps for governors.

Spiritk9 on May 12, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Compare the bravery of these Notre Dame kids to the “listening tour” of Jeb Bush (hey let’s get beyond Reagan..) et al. Gads, these kids have more stones than all the RINO’s in Congress put together!

Cinday Blackburn on May 12, 2009 at 1:33 PM

“BigD on May 12, 2009 at 1:31 PM”

we should BE so lucky …

Buckaroo on May 12, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Softening up students and alumni for the 2010 speaker…

….Lucifer.

ex-Democrat on May 12, 2009 at 1:34 PM

An honorary degree is a keepsake that commencement speakers get, not something that goes on the resume or functions as a meaningful recognition.

dedalus on May 12, 2009 at 1:26 PM

I’m not sure what your point is, but I know quite a few HDr recipients who use the title in certain professional settings.

An HDr is the highest form of recognition that a university can bestow – it certainly has meaning. It’s very name – “honorary doctorate” – conveys all that is relevant to the issue at hand: namely, that a Catholic university defied the USCCB’s instruction to not honor those who work in opposition to core beliefs of the Catholic church.

Y-not on May 12, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Notre Dame’s granting of an honorary degree to someone who doesn’t give a damn about partial birth abortion, let alone abortion in the womb, makes about as much sense as the Marine Corps making a Japanese soldier on Iwo Jima an honorary Marine.

OhEssYouCowboys on May 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM

I love you!!! Give em hell !

catlady on May 12, 2009 at 1:35 PM

I have been sending the video out to people for a week now. Protesters on the upcoming speech from the child prez are getting arrested daily on campus. Allen Keyes has a part in all of this.
I do wish the graduates the best in life and kind of sad that THEIR day of accomplishment will be marred by all of this.

Coastal Paradise on May 12, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Notre Dame has squandered their national reputation for the transitory benefit of having Obama speak at a graduation ceremony. In a week, Obama’s speech, which will surely be a collection of the same nauseating platitues we have been hearing from this moron since 2007, will be forgotten. But people will remember for years that Notre Dame sold out and stands for nothing.

gridlock2 on May 12, 2009 at 1:35 PM

if human life has no sanctity, then why bother with the poor and hungry?

Because it’s natural for people to try and alleviate other people’s suffering. If you don’t have that urge within you absent a divine order, then you should not lecture others on morals to begin with.

radiofreevillage on May 12, 2009 at 1:32 PM

You read like a liberal.

MarkTheGreat on May 12, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Best wishes to them in their endevor.

SkinnerVic on May 12, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Just imagine a few hundred ND grads reading Obama’s speech along with him.

BigD on May 12, 2009 at 1:31 PM

I was just struck by the messianic Irony of teh one…..imagine the assembly rising, but instead of reading along, reciting in unison…”our father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name….”

Fighton03 on May 12, 2009 at 1:36 PM

I was just struck by the messianic Irony of teh one…..imagine the assembly rising, but instead of reading along, reciting in unison…”our father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name….”

Fighton03 on May 12, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Even better:

We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God,
begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven:
[bow during the next two lines:]
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Y-not on May 12, 2009 at 1:39 PM

As a form of protest, some of the more talented students should hack into his teleprompters and get him to recite “Mary had a little lamb.” Or better yet, get him to resign.

If that doesn’t work, they should all — in syncrhonization — turn their heads left and right like they’re watching a tennis match while he speaks.

Daggett on May 12, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Because it’s natural for people to try and alleviate other people’s suffering. If you don’t have that urge within you absent a divine order, then you should not lecture others on morals to begin with.

radiofreevillage on May 12, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Convenient ignorance of Why the urge exists.

Fighton03 on May 12, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Obama the baby butcher, my sign would read. I would give anything to have the chance to turn my back on him on national television.

OT – why is it that obama has NO family? – everyone is dead; dad, mom, grannie, grandpa, and no siblings (maybe a half sister who remains, smartly, silent). No law papers, no college transcripts, no nothing.

Ris4victory on May 12, 2009 at 1:41 PM

I do so thank those who are standing up for what the believe, even if goes the way Miss CA has gone for the last few weeks. Miss CA came out wonderful today for her beliefs. I pray these students and their families do as well. God be with them.
L

letget on May 12, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Y-not on May 12, 2009 at 1:39 PM

+1000

Fighton03 on May 12, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Most of the Japanese soldiers on Iwo Jima fought bravely and with honor. These are qualities that are prized by the Marines.

MarkTheGreat on May 12, 2009 at 1:32 PM

I don’t think that I need to be lectured, by you, about Iwo Jima. My dad was a 19 year old, Navy medic on that island, having also made landings in the Marshalls, at Guam, at Saipan, at Tinian, and at Leyte and Luzon. My post is about context, and has nothing to do with the Japanese soldier’s fighting ability.

I wonder how many Marines, and Navy personnel, standing on Iwo Jima, at the end of battle, looking at the graves of their dead, would’ve adored the making of a Japanese soldier, an honorary Marine? In this regard, my dad told me about the piles of dead Marines and Corpsmen, on the beaches at Iwo, who were piled up because of the tremendous loss of life, and who remained unburied because the battle was so desperate.

My dad had their blood on his clothing and covering his hands.

I don’t need your lecture.

OhEssYouCowboys on May 12, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Joepub, you really don’t have a clue, do you?
The students standing up for who they are is something a liberal cannot comprehend. Evidently the powers that be at Notre Dame can’t comprehend who they are or supposed to be.

volsense on May 12, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Y-not on May 12, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Oh yeah! Had to recite everyday, twice on Thursdays! :)Actually brings back many fond memories. Thank you!

Coastal Paradise on May 12, 2009 at 1:43 PM

I love you!!! Give em hell !

catlady on May 12, 2009 at 1:35 PM

That made me smile. TY.

:O)

OhEssYouCowboys on May 12, 2009 at 1:44 PM

if human life has no sanctity, then why bother with the poor and hungry?
Because it’s natural for people to try and alleviate other people’s suffering. If you don’t have that urge within you absent a divine order, then you should not lecture others on morals to begin with.

radiofreevillage on May 12, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Radio, I don’t think the point there was to not take care of the poor and hungry, it was to make a point about the absurdity of caring for one, but not the other.

bikermailman on May 12, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Ya’ bunch of racists.

“This is about hating a black man in the White House.” blah, blah, blah…

/sarc

gregbert on May 12, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Joepub, you really don’t have a clue, do you?
The students standing up for who they are is something a liberal cannot comprehend. Evidently the powers that be at Notre Dame can’t comprehend who they are or supposed to be.

volsense on May 12, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Maybe I’m missing something, but I took joepub’s comment to merely indicate that he hopes that the clueless Notre Dame administrators, who apparently have no appreciation or understanding of the life of the soul, will suffer the consequences of their actions in a way they do understand: namely, through a major source of their revenue generation.

I rooted for Notre Dame football for years, mostly because my dad (Irish Catholic) was a fan… but, like joepub, I hope they never win another game… at least, not until Jenkins and the Board of Trustees are ousted.

Y-not on May 12, 2009 at 1:47 PM

OT – why is it that obama has NO family? – everyone is dead; dad, mom, grannie, grandpa, and no siblings (maybe a half sister who remains, smartly, silent). No law papers, no college transcripts, no nothing.

Ris4victory on May 12, 2009 at 1:41 PM

The Perfect Storm.

Coastal Paradise on May 12, 2009 at 1:49 PM

I rooted for Notre Dame football for years, mostly because my dad (Irish Catholic) was a fan… but, like joepub, I hope they never win another game… at least, not until Jenkins and the Board of Trustees are ousted.

Ditto. If this happens, the Irish are dead to me.

CDeb on May 12, 2009 at 1:50 PM

If this happens, the Irish are dead to me.

CDeb on May 12, 2009 at 1:50 PM

I’m in SoCal now, so it looks like it’ll be USC (and a few select Big 10 teams) for me from now on.

Y-not on May 12, 2009 at 1:50 PM

I think Obama is entitled to a doctorate–a Doctorate of Kevorkian.

Western_Civ on May 12, 2009 at 1:51 PM

I’m not sure what your point is, but I know quite a few HDr recipients who use the title in certain professional settings.

An HDr is the highest form of recognition that a university can bestow – it certainly has meaning. It’s very name – “honorary doctorate” – conveys all that is relevant to the issue at hand: namely, that a Catholic university defied the USCCB’s instruction to not honor those who work in opposition to core beliefs of the Catholic church.

Y-not on May 12, 2009 at 1:34 PM

My experience is different than yours. In most environments I’ve been in the idea that someone would use the honorary doctorate as a credential seems out of bounds. I’m not aware of anyone who received an honorary doctorate and then began using PhD or Dr in their title. Maybe some people do, but it would seem inappropriate.

But let’s agree that the commencement constitutes an endorsement of Notre Dame by Obama and likewise. Certainly, there are other universities and other public figures available to each.

If the White House informs Notre Dame that the POTUS is available isn’t there some obligation on the University for the benefit of their student body to host him, at least with regard to the office of the President and its importance to the world that the students are graduating into?

dedalus on May 12, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Most women who have abortions are average, law-abiding citizens. These are qualities that are prized by pro-lifers.

BobMbx on May 12, 2009 at 1:53 PM

OT – why is it that obama has NO family? – everyone is dead; dad, mom, grannie, grandpa, and no siblings (maybe a half sister who remains, smartly, silent). No law papers, no college transcripts, no nothing.

Ris4victory on May 12, 2009 at 1:41 PM

It wouldn’t matter if he had plenty of relatives alive and willing to speak. The press would avoid them so Obama wouldn’t have to assassinate the character of his own family.

Daggett on May 12, 2009 at 1:53 PM

The students are making a statement that is defines who they are. To relate their intent with losing a football game just seemed juvenile to me.

volsense on May 12, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Alert Napolitano over at DHS. Sounds like a hotbed of extremists at ND need to be “controlled.”

Oh, and I love the idea of hacking the ‘prompter. Slip in some Alinsky and Mussolini quotes. Wait, they’re probably already there.

iurockhead on May 12, 2009 at 1:55 PM

these kids have more stones than all the RINO’s in Congress put together!

Cinday Blackburn on May 12, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Indeed. There is hope for our future with young people like these.

infidel4life on May 12, 2009 at 1:58 PM

It will be interesting to see if the either valedictory or salutatory commencement honorees are allowed to speak truth to power in their addresses, if they want to affirm the Church’s teachings, or if their speeches might possibly be pre-edited by administrators for content.

jon1979 on May 12, 2009 at 1:14 PM

I’m sure that their speeches will have to be previewed and approved before they are given.
OT-Our local high school no longer will allow the valedictorian or salutatorian to speak at graduation. Instead the seniors get to vote on who they want to speak. It’s a popularity contest. This year I guess it was the head cheerleader that won. Yippy. Apparently hard work is no longer something to be admired, well not hard work of the educational sort. When you work hard at being cool and making friends that is something to be admired. Sounds familiar…

mauioriginal on May 12, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Y-Not

You made a 51 year old man cry like a child.

Thank You

Peace be with you

JJKRN on May 12, 2009 at 1:59 PM

It wouldn’t matter if he had plenty of relatives alive and willing to speak. The press would avoid them so Obama wouldn’t have to assassinate the character of his own family.

Daggett on May 12, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Besides, that would only illuminate the fact that of the handful of cultures he can claim membership in (Black, White, African, American, Indonesian, etc…), the only one that cared enough about him to take on the responsibility of raising him was a “typical white person”, and his decision to acknowledge and thank her sacrifice by tossing her under the bus to garner a certain sector of the voting bloc.

If being a “typical white person” means caring for throw-away kids, what does that say about non-typical white persons and non-white persons, typical or not?

Not much, really.

My opinion of Obama: I wouldn’t piss in his mouth if his teeth were on fire.

BobMbx on May 12, 2009 at 2:02 PM

I’m in SoCal now, so it looks like it’ll be USC (and a few select Big 10 teams) for me from now on.

Y-not on May 12, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Well we’re glad to have you…ND may have Touchdown Jesus, but God is a Trojan! <<<>>

Fighton03 on May 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Be careful. You don’t want David Shuster to throw up, do ya?

SouthernGent on May 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Y-not on May 12, 2009 at 1:39 PM

AMEN!

infidel4life on May 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM

It seems to me that a real leader, in this situation, would come forward and announce that he is honored to deliver the commencement address but must respectfully decline the honorary degree in light of the circumstances. That would show leadership and class.

As for what the president will do – well, it’s all about him, isn’t it?

landshark on May 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM

The students are making a statement that is defines who they are. To relate their intent with losing a football game just seemed juvenile to me.

volsense on May 12, 2009 at 1:53 PM

I hope that there is a massive walk-out and that Jenkins and the rest of these moral principle sell-outs are forced to resign.

…Oh, and I hope they never win another football game.

awake on May 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Truth to power. Is it wrong that I will relish the sight of dozens of students turning their backs to Obama?

BohicaTwentyTwo on May 12, 2009 at 2:05 PM

God is a Penn State Fan

period

JJKRN on May 12, 2009 at 2:07 PM

JJKRN on May 12, 2009 at 2:07 PM

are you sure he’s not coaching your team? lol.

Fighton03 on May 12, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Caesar or Jesus?
Caesar or Jesus?
Caesar or Jesus?

Maybe Hampton University can give an honorary doctorate to the Grand Imperial Wizard of the KKK. Perhaps Aish HaTorah College of Jewish Studies can honor the American NAZI party. Maybe the Anglican Church can grab their collective ankles and invite some Muslims over. Oh, wait. I think the Anglicans already DID grab…well, never mind the Anglicans.

Maybe it’s time for the people who REALLY believe the Bible to act like it.

Maybe it’s time to choose up sides.

oldleprechaun on May 12, 2009 at 2:11 PM

My experience is different than yours. In most environments I’ve been in the idea that someone would use the honorary doctorate as a credential seems out of bounds.

I worked in a university setting. Quite a few of our honorary doctorate recipients would put HDr after their names in their bios for the boards they sat on and, occasionally, on correspondence and their corporate (CEO) bios. Some of them were so proud of their honorary doctorates that they actually asked to be called “Dr.”, at least by the staff in the university setting (ie: when they were on campus for board meetings).

I agree with you that that tends to be the exception — and a bit overboard. Then again, I know MDs who think PhDs shouldn’t call themselves “doctor” either, so there’s quite a bit of leeway for interpretation. (Personally, I see an MD as a technical degree… but I have a PhD! Everything is relative — ha ha!)

I guess my point is that an HDr is a much bigger deal than any other type of academic honor — both to the institution (the process for approval is really onerous) and to most recipients.

If the White House informs Notre Dame that the POTUS is available isn’t there some obligation on the University for the benefit of their student body to host him, at least with regard to the office of the President and its importance to the world that the students are graduating into?

dedalus on May 12, 2009 at 1:53 PM

I agree with Ed that it’s not so much about the commencement address as it is the honorary doctorate.

I don’t buy that the commencement speaker “has to” receive an HDr. That’s simply not true, certainly not at other institutions. And even Notre Dame has previously re-used commencement speakers so obviously not every commencement address equates to conferral of an HDr to the speaker at that commencement.

Assuming Notre Dame sticks to their modern tradition of giving HDrs to commencement speakers, I’d argue that the timing argues against Notre Dame inviting him to speak this year. It’s only been a couple of months since he released funds for overseas abortion and he campaigned on a pro-abortion platform. Forget for a moment Obama’s horrible record on abortion/infanticide from his state senate days, his current actions are horrendous.

Like ASU (and, based on what I hear from my sources, the University of Chicago which is notably absent from those rushing to honor Obama), Notre Dame could have concluded that being elected was not enough of an accomplishment to warrant awarding him an HDr (and, by association, the commencement address). In other words, they could have waited until he accomplished something… good.

I gotta’ dash for now, but I’ll check the thread later.

Y-not on May 12, 2009 at 2:12 PM

God is a Penn State Fan

period

JJKRN on May 12, 2009 at 2:07 PM

As long as Joe Pa is around, I tend to agree. I was at Purdue for a bunch of years (teaching, working), but I always rooted for Penn State… except when they played the Boilers.

Y-not on May 12, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Y-not on May 12, 2009 at 2:14 PM

and I root for the Domers 12 out of 13 games. :)

Fighton03 on May 12, 2009 at 2:18 PM

God is a Penn State Fan

period

JJKRN on May 12, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Slightly off…JoePa is God.

LevStrauss on May 12, 2009 at 2:20 PM

I’m not aware of anyone who received an honorary doctorate and then began using PhD or Dr in their title. Maybe some people do, but it would seem inappropriate.

It is. You can use the title at that university that gave you the honor but nowhere else. So when Obama returns to Notre Dame they need to call him Dr. Obama.

Ick.

Rockygold on May 12, 2009 at 2:22 PM

The amateur hour at the White House continues. What do they think they’ll gain from having President Abortion speak at Notre Dame? All this does is highlight yet another despicable aspect of He Whom Shall Never Be Questioned.
Thank you Notre Dame students for TRULY speaking truth to power. God bless.

Sugar Land on May 12, 2009 at 2:22 PM

A graduate with a real degree conveys to the world the manner in which the University shaped their mind. An honorary degree is a keepsake that commencement speakers get, not something that goes on the resume or functions as a meaningful recognition.

dedalus on May 12, 2009 at 1:26 PM

I wish that were true in this case, but it isn’t. Not only will his honorary degree appear in all of his bios, but you can bet it will be used in his 2012 reelection campaign to help win votes from Catholics and other devout Christians as a symbol of his “Christian-ness.” Unless there are MASSIVE protests DURING his speech, the media will lavish positive coverage on this as the “nation’s premier Catholic university” honors the President. There will be more beautiful Jesus-like shots of him with the Golden Dome behind him.

This is all part of a HUGE propaganda campaign to make Barack Obama acceptable to Catholics and devout Christians. It’s a real shame Notre Dame agreed to be part of it.

rockmom on May 12, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Y-not on May 12, 2009 at 2:12 PM

You are battin’ a thousand today Dr. Y.

Dee2008 on May 12, 2009 at 2:23 PM

I’m sure Obama’s speech will be full of quotes from Scripture as well, conveniently skipping the part where God says “I knew you even in the womb.”

rockmom on May 12, 2009 at 2:25 PM

The students are making a statement that is defines who they are. To relate their intent with losing a football game just seemed juvenile to me.

volsense on May 12, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Sorry, I am missing your point. I am in support of the kids that are taking a stand. With all due respect, what is your point?

joepub on May 12, 2009 at 2:25 PM

dedalus

Bullcrap! It is in no way an endorsement of Notre Dame by Obama. It is a clear message that teh One is so lofty as to overwhelm even basic Catholic doctrine. “Look at me, world, I’m bigger than Christ and I can spit on Catholic doctrine and still be honored”.

SKYFOX on May 12, 2009 at 2:33 PM

The students are making a statement that is defines who they are. To relate their intent with losing a football game just seemed juvenile to me.

volsense on May 12, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Just trying to lighten the mood. The nations political discourse has gotten very juvenile, and CFB is a topic we can all have a different opinion on and talk a little smack but at the end of the day you respect the other guy/gal for supporting their team. No moralistic implications, no evil intentions.

But as a historical note, ND owes it’s nickname and football heritage to it’s religious background. Because it was one of the few catholic universities it attracted large numbers of immigrant Irish from across the midwest.

Fighton03 on May 12, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Does this mean he’s going to get booed?

Better put up some soundproof tent around him or something…

Upstater85 on May 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Our abortion in chief will gain immensely from this and prove he is bigger than Christiandom. This man is totally shameless, he had plenty of time to turn down the engagement and let ND save some face, but nooooo, he will shove it up their rears. A couple of posters here have it right, this is about Obama and not about Notre Dame. God, please send a lightning bolt on Sunday!

hip shot on May 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM

It is hard to believe that the mainstream media will allow Obama’s Notre Dame appearance to be anything other than a resounding success. While I don’t expect Obama to push abortion in this speech, I will be surprised if he doesn’t use the opportunity to cast himself as the voice of reason and the opponents of Notre Dame’s action as angry, partisan, and fearful of “dialogue.” The media, incapable and unwilling to be objective, will uncritically accept this version and paint the issue as one of openness to new ideas versus blind acceptance of dogma. Therefore, from a secular, public relations standpoint, I expect Obama will come out of this looking fine because he will behave in a manner consistent with his media-enabled modus operandi, described by Father Thomas Berg as: “Obama has mastered the art of concealing a strident pursuit of his aggressive anti-life agenda under the guise of debonair disdain for conflict and feigned confusion over all the fuss emerging from Catholic quarters.”

Fortunately, there is much more to life than the secular, public relations view. The students and faculty opposing the university’s actions are right on this one, no matter what the opinion polls and media snarks say.

TodoDerecho on May 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM

OT – why is it that obama has NO family? – everyone is dead; dad, mom, grannie, grandpa, and no siblings (maybe a half sister who remains, smartly, silent). No law papers, no college transcripts, no nothing.

Ris4victory on May 12, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Geez, that is a ponderous question. In fact, it’s downright creepy. It merely emphasizes and begs another question: How is it that a reasonably unknown, unproven person can mask so many things, make people “not care” about the lack of sufficient background and get whatever he wants, no matter how lucicrous or insane it may be? Ever seen the movie Left Behind? Not bangin’ the Bible but, some of the similarities eerily correlate…

HomeoftheBrave on May 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Sorry, lucricious = ludicrous :(

HomeoftheBrave on May 12, 2009 at 2:54 PM

I agree with the sentiment (of not wanting him to speak) but where does the Catholic church draw the line at it’s own hypocrisy? When I was a young fart, divorced folks couldn’t be part of the church or it’s functions. Now, that’s not so much the case anymore. So they’ll let divorced people be part of the congregation, but now they don’t want those that condone abortions (I do not personally) to participate. Exactly where is the line in the sand to be drawn. This is one of the many reasons I have no use for organized religion as it picks and chooses it’s policies as times change.

rayvet on May 12, 2009 at 2:54 PM

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