Video: EPA memo says greenhouse effect not proven?
posted at 5:15 pm on May 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
It appears that initial reports about the EPA memo this morning missed a key passage. The internal memo, marked “Attorney Client Privilege”, did warn about the negative impact EPA regulation of CO2 would have on the economy. But The Hill reports that it also challenged the notion that the EPA or anyone else had proven CO2 or other greenhouse gases to be harmful to humans:
An EPA finding last month that greenhouse gases are a danger to public health rests on dubious assumptions and could have negative economic impacts, a memo from the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) warned.
The memo has no listed author but is marked “Deliberative–Attorney Client Privilege.” A spokesman for OMB told Dow Jones Newswires that the brief is a “conglomeration of counsel we’ve received from various agencies” about the EPA finding, the conclusions of which would trigger regulation of greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act.
The author(s) of the memo suggest the EPA did not thoroughly examine the relationship between greenhouse gases and human health.
“In the absence of a strong statement of the standards being applied in this decision, there is concern that EPA is making a finding based on…’harm’ from substances that have no demonstrated direct health effects,” the memo says, adding that the “scientific data that purports to conclusively establish” that link was from outside EPA.
The memo then borders on secular heresy by suggesting that if warming was indeed the result of man’s activity, it may have beneficial effects rather than being a net negative:
Finally, in language sure to anger climate change activists, the memo questions whether climate change might bring benefits that would mitigate the costs.
“To the extent that climate change alters out environment, it will create incentives for innovation and adaption that mitigate the damages,” the memo reads. “The [EPA finding] should note this possibility[.] … It might be reasonable to conclude that Alaska will benefit from warmer winters for both health and economic reasons,” the authors note.
Senator John Barasso calls the memo a “smoking gun”, and notes the memo insists that the EPA has shown no deleterious effects from the gases Lisa Jackson wants regulated:
Will this kneecap the Obama administration’s efforts to get Congress to impose a cap-and-trade system? Republicans and Rust Belt Democrats will jump to embrace an EPA report that casts doubt on global warming science. The question will be whether the national media stays on this story and reports it fully.
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Nah…somebody at the EPA just got ‘reassigned’ to monitor the coffee maker.
AUINSC on May 12, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Talk about oxymorons.
lorien1973 on May 12, 2009 at 5:18 PM
It’s not about what Statists can prove. It’s all about what Statists say is true.
Orwell knew all about it.
OhEssYouCowboys on May 12, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Man flourishes in warmer climates. I guess the democrats, Al Gore & Obama are against the human race.
izoneguy on May 12, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Well then, you have your answer.
Weight of Glory on May 12, 2009 at 5:20 PM
The Senator has it on his site as well….
http://barrasso.senate.gov/public/
izoneguy on May 12, 2009 at 5:20 PM
“This is a smoking gun, saying that your findings were political, not scientific”
- Senator John Barrasso (R-Wyo.)
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Senator John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) today exposed a “smoking gun” White House memo to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The memo warns that regulation of small CO2 emitters will have “serious economic consequences” for businesses and the overall economy.
Barrasso produced the memo while questioning EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson during the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee budget hearing.
“I received a memo this morning, that’s marked ‘Deliberative: Attorney-Client Privilege’. In this memo Counsel for the White House repeatedly, repeatedly suggests a lack of scientific support for this proposed finding. This is a smoking gun, saying that your findings were political and not scientific”, Barrasso said.
The EPA has failed to release the memo and has ignored the advice.
The nine-page White House memo undermines the EPA’s reasoning for a proposed finding that greenhouse gases are a danger to public health.
“This misuse of the Clean Air Act will be a trigger for overwhelming regulation and lawsuits based on gases emitted from cars, schools, hospitals and small business. This will affect any number of other sources, including lawn mowers, snowmobiles and farms. This will be a disaster for the small businesses that drive America,” Barrasso said.
Quoting from the memo to the EPA, Barrasso said that, “making the decision to regulate carbon dioxide under the Clean Air Act for the first time is likely to have serious economic consequences for regulated entities throughout the US economy, including small businesses and small communities.”
The memo is an amalgamation of findings from government agencies’ sent from the Office of Management and Budget to the EPA.
“This smoking gun memo is in stark contrast to the official position presented by the Administration and the EPA Administrator,” Barrasso said.
Despite the findings in the memo, the White House has given the EPA the green light to move ahead with regulation under the Clean Air Act.
According to government records, the document was submitted by the OMB as comment on the EPA’s April proposed finding that greenhouse gases are a danger to public health and welfare.
The memo – marked as “Deliberative-Attorney Client Privilege” – doesn’t have a date or a named author. But an OMB spokesman confirmed to news agencies that it was prepared by Obama administration staff.
BACKGROUND
The White House brief questions the link between the EPA’s scientific technical endangerment proposal and the EPA’s political summary. Administrator Jackson said in the endangerment summary that “scientific findings in totality point to compelling evidence of human-induced climate change, and that serious risks and potential impacts to public health and welfare have been clearly identified…”
The White House memo notes, the EPA endangerment technical document points out there are several areas where essential behaviors of greenhouse gases are “not well determined” and “not well understood.”
It warns about the adequacy of the EPA finding that the gases are a harm to the public when there is “no demonstrated direct health effects,” and the scientific data on which the agency relies are “almost exclusively from non-EPA sources.”
The memo contends that the endangerment finding, if finalized by the administration, could make agencies vulnerable to litigation alleging inadequate environmental permitting reviews, adding that the proposal could unintentionally trigger a cascade of regulations.
izoneguy on May 12, 2009 at 5:23 PM
The most recent trend is toward cooling, not warming, but if they want to nix cap and trade because they think “warming” will help Alaska, I’m okay with that.
Daggett on May 12, 2009 at 5:24 PM
This heretic must be tried by a Truth Commission!
Buy Danish on May 12, 2009 at 5:26 PM
But 0bama got a puppy!
Cicero43 on May 12, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Hahahahaha. Can’t wait for someone to try to back off this as only “legal advice,” not meant for public discussion. Especially after the interrogation legal advice memos.
Someone at the EPA may be looking for work after letting this slip out.
Wethal on May 12, 2009 at 5:29 PM
The question isn’t whether globull warming (climate change, etc) is a lie, the question is how long they can keep convincing everyone it isn’t a lie. They’ve been at it in all accounts for ten years now. The first little snot nossed punks who were indoctrinated in grade school are now graduating high school and carrying it on to college where it will be further reinforced. They only need a couple more years and the end game will be complete. I mean, come on alraedy. Don’t any of you watch TV? Men have always (in recent decades) been portrayed as mumbling, stumbling, football watching, unshaven beasts. Now you see commercials with 6 year old girls ‘showing their dads how to be a better man’!! OMFG, the end is in sight.
Falconsword on May 12, 2009 at 5:30 PM
She admits that the SCOTUS said that the EPA owes the SCIENTIFIC findings be made public, but ignores what she’s just said because the socialist agenda requires and tolerates NO science.
maverick muse on May 12, 2009 at 5:30 PM
I’ve been saying it for years.
Globull warming is a good thing.
The benefits far outweigh the supposed negatives.
roninacreage on May 12, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Al Gore and the eco-Nazis had a good ride, and they almost — almost — got the nation to line their pockets with untold riches over this fiction. I love the smell of rational thinking in the morning: “To the extent that climate change alters out environment, it will create incentives for innovation and adaption that mitigate the damages.” Gee, do ya think? More farmable land. Lower heating costs. Longer growing seasons. Ohhh, the humanity.
I imagine, though, that whomever this reasoned individual is who wrote this little missive, he/she will be looking for work in the morning. No matter, though. The farce is coming to its natural conclusion. You can’t fool all of the people all the time. Heck, Al, even my grandmother knew that.
Rational Thought on May 12, 2009 at 5:30 PM
FIFY
ronsfi on May 12, 2009 at 5:31 PM
What? You mean the EPA helped destroy the economy for nuttin’? Zoinks!
kirkill on May 12, 2009 at 5:32 PM
I say we do not need a trial , burn him!
the_nile on May 12, 2009 at 5:33 PM
*Tweet*
Flag on the play, attempted thread derailment.
TheUnrepentantGeek on May 12, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Yep. Intelligent design is about equivolent to global warming science.
I totally agree ;)
lorien1973 on May 12, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Could this memo be used in a suit trying to over turn the EPA’s harm ruling?
MarkTheGreat on May 12, 2009 at 5:40 PM
That is closer to the truth than you might think.
darwin on May 12, 2009 at 5:42 PM
It’s been an article of faith amongst the hard core environmentalists that the world’s human population needs to be reduced to at most a few hundred million for many years.
MarkTheGreat on May 12, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Heh! Yellow Card me. I deserve it.
ronsfi on May 12, 2009 at 5:42 PM
The right-wing extremists have taken over the EPA. Quick, call Napolitano.
Dusty on May 12, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Lisa Jackson is right now looking for who leaked the memo so they can be destroyed.
GunRunner on May 12, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Our inside people in the Obama machine will continue to leak the truth.
Think of it as monkey wenches thrown into the giant cogs. All I can say is
watch out after Obama releases more detainee photos…….
izoneguy on May 12, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Now we’re cookin’.
LibTired on May 12, 2009 at 5:44 PM
truely, truely pathetic,
Both as an attempt to inject an utterly OT subject, and as an attempt to say anything meaningfull.
MarkTheGreat on May 12, 2009 at 5:45 PM
I bet this story never gets reported in mainstream media. They will bury it if they can. An entire industry has grown up around the dangers of global warming, those people are not going to go away without a fight.
Terrye on May 12, 2009 at 5:45 PM
The only people who say that, are those who never have, and would never lower themselves to actually study what it says.
If you believe it’s just another branch of creationism, then you don’t know what you are talking about.
MarkTheGreat on May 12, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Now that’s kinky!
MarkTheGreat on May 12, 2009 at 5:47 PM
How much CO2 is added to our atmosphere on a daily basis just by the politicians in Washington, D.C. alone……..?
Seven Percent Solution on May 12, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Since there is no proof of any demonstrable global sea level rise, all those frantic AP stories about cities being covered with water should be put into the same category as those December 25th “Santa Claus being spotted on radar” stories they put out to excite the kids.
TexasJew on May 12, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Ed, are you okay? The last few days there have been a number of errors and contradictions in your articles, way more than in the past. They’re not questioning the effect; they’re questioning its effect on human health. That’s a huge difference. This is still important, but the headline is completely off-base.
calbear on May 12, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Yeah. For one thing, it’s probably too late to cancel production on the Captain Planet movie.
Daggett on May 12, 2009 at 5:48 PM
But what the he!! ED,it never hurts to wish upon a star.
If the media was doing it’s job and reporting “fully”,Obama’s approval ratings would be in the teens.
As it is,the White House press briefings are more along the line of Obama campaign rallies than government watchdog sessions.
Baxter Greene on May 12, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Awesome! If this isn’t sweet revenge, then I don’t know anything. I think Al Gore needs to be put under protection before he hurts himself.
youngO on May 12, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Who needs proof when all you need is “consensus?”
spmat on May 12, 2009 at 5:51 PM
That’s somewhere in the bovine flatulence testimony before Congress.
OhEssYouCowboys on May 12, 2009 at 5:53 PM
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Oh yes I am worse than Hitler.
ronsfi on May 12, 2009 at 5:54 PM
O boy,Al Gore is going to have a global meltdown!!
canopfor on May 12, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Intersting article showing CO2 levels are more reliant on ocean temperatures.
darwin on May 12, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Fixed it for ya.
Daggett on May 12, 2009 at 5:57 PM
They have insulted the Prophet Gore!
Deniers! Blasphemers!! Heretics!!! Burn them at the Stake!!!!
MB4 on May 12, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Don’t worry, Ms. Jackson said she can regulate anything and everything anyway. As she said in her testimony, the EPA is very sensitive to how they employ their regulatory power.
So the good government types are in control. There’ll be some just like her talking about healthcare regulation/rationing in about 5 years.
People here just don’t understand how good and careful out rulers are.
/s
r keller on May 12, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Team Barry is probably going to start a new ‘plumbers’ group to find out who’s leaking memo’s to the press. Next thing you know, the press will have the memos on what we learned from EIT’s. Can’t have this stuff happening in government of by and for the Brownshirts. Someone will pay. BTW, notice that gasoline costs are continuing to RISE despite the continued economic stagnation? Could it be that the new Sec of Energy is doing all he can to fulfill Barry’s wish of higher prices?
GarandFan on May 12, 2009 at 6:00 PM
I can’t wait for the cheese cake pics to emerge from the person who wrote this memo. Hell to pay. Hell I say!
ronsfi on May 12, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Lisa Jackson is a mental troglodyte reminiscent of those of the dark ages.
MB4 on May 12, 2009 at 6:02 PM
But … but … but … if Obama’s administration can’t claim CO2 is inherently dangerous and must be regulated or else, how in the world are they going to backdoor tax every single person in America?
This is the Chicago mob in the White House now …
darwin on May 12, 2009 at 6:02 PM
If its that bad,why don’t the Liberals wear
space suits!(sarc)
canopfor on May 12, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Ok, who is the EPA’s man or owman who came up with this theory? I want proof positive that this isn’t a April Fools joke and the EPA isn’t yanking my flip flop!
upinak on May 12, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Don’t bother he won
Jamson64 on May 12, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Link please
TheBigOldDog on May 12, 2009 at 6:05 PM
When I, a thoughtful and undegreed scientist examine the Doctrine of Global Warming, I know that beyond any question every Global Warmist is insane, not in all things, but in climate matters. I cannot prove to them that they are insane, because you never can prove anything to lunatics — for that is a part of their insanity and the evidence of it.
- “Channeling” Mark Twain
MB4 on May 12, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Somebody in the Government needs to surf the co2science.com website, and check out the hundreds of scientific articles on experiments showing that plants grow faster and have higher crop yields in an atmosphere artificially enriched in carbon dioxide.
As the CO2 content of the atmosphere continues to rise, we could all benefit from a greener, more fertile Earth, not only Alaska. Besides, a growing population might need the extra food.
Barrasso definitely has a point–this IS a smoking gun! He needs to get this out before as many media as possible, and blow the lid off the “cap-and-trade” fiasco once and for all!
Steve Z on May 12, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Covering this on Fox right now.
May get a bit of traction… maybe…
Romeo13 on May 12, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Great Steve.. just great.
So Alaska and Northern Canada are going to become the bread baskets of the world now. I don’t think so! Get back … NOW!
upinak on May 12, 2009 at 6:14 PM
The White House has responded. For some reason this response is from the budget director Peter Orszag and not the EPA.
Buy Danish on May 12, 2009 at 6:18 PM
“The question will be whether the national media stays on this story and reports it fully.”
huh?
There is only one chance of that happening. If the Idiot in the White House figures he will lose the 2012 election by reaching for the Global Warming brass ring to destroy the American economy before he has convinced himself he has full control of the military.
notagool on May 12, 2009 at 6:19 PM
That’d be “Al Gore’s $Billion meltdown “
CaveatEmpty on May 12, 2009 at 6:20 PM
A good, but (as Ed noted) heretical conjecture. Coincidentally, I saw this “warm welcome” tweet from Gov. Palin today. :-)
KS Rex on May 12, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Lord Monckton said it best:
marinetbryant on May 12, 2009 at 6:27 PM
marinetbryant on May 12, 2009 at 6:28 PM
But the science is in,the debate is over,dissent is no longer patriotic.
Global warming policies that have been an absolute failure across seas are very important here because Obama has to find a way to tax the living crap out of everybody to pay for all of his entitlement programs.
Funny how all those predictions of calamity and disaster have failed to come true.It’s as if they didn’t know what they were talking about:
What Global Warming
http://www.examiner.com/x-3704-Columbia-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m3d18-Scientific-resources-that-refute-global-warming
(via gatewaypundit)
There are many scientist from around the world that know this global warming scam is not based in reality or backed up by science:
Let’s begin with the International Climate Science Coalition–a collaborative effort of climate scientists around the world who are dedicated to discovering and publishing the truth concerning the global climate.
In a report issued recently, the ICSC declared:
But super smart liberals like Gore don’t need no stink’n science:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=13773
Princeton Physicist Calls Global Warming Science “Mistaken”Scientist fired by Al Gore was told, “science will not intrude on public policy”.
There are thousands of scientist that refused to become activists and let money lead them around,instead relying on facts that show the eco-fundamentalist are in pursuit of money and power,not conservationism:
ADVISORY: Dr. Arthur Robinson (OISM) to Release Names of over 30,000 Scientists Rejecting Global Warming Hypothesis
and more scientist
UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims
Global warming is just another failed liberal policy like Obama’s economic/foreign policies and the democrats failed policies in general that have ruined states like CA,MI,NY,NJ.
If our press was not made up of a bunch of liberal activists this farce would not have gotten as far as it has since “real” science has debunked the eco-fundamentalist for years.
Mr. Gore: Apology Accepted
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harold-ambler/mr-gore-apology-accepted_b_154982.html?view=print
You are probably wondering whether President-elect Obama owes the world an apology for his actions regarding global warming. The answer is, not yet. There is one person, however, who does. You have probably guessed his name: Al Gore.
Baxter Greene on May 12, 2009 at 6:30 PM
When the evidence shines the light of reality on the global warming religion, it is best to change the subject.
Johan Klaus on May 12, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Doesn’t burning heretics at the stake release a heap of eeeeeeeevil carbon?
steveegg on May 12, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Thanks for that link.
Climate Depot is slam full of information.
Baxter Greene on May 12, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Folks, the left can weasel out of almost anything. Almost.
Big Al made a tactical error last fall when he predicted that the arctic sea ice would be gone in five years. That is easily falsifiable. We may have to wait five years for this hoax to collapse, but we won’t have to wait forever.
Pythagoras on May 12, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Pft.
When you’re The One, reality is what you say it is. Don’t expect this to stop Obama. I doubt it’ll even slow him down.
He’s going to ram through as much as he can in his 4 years as POTUS because I think he knows he wont get another 4… unless a majority of the American people repeat their stupidity.
Yakko77 on May 12, 2009 at 6:40 PM
/whips out the checkbook…
Is there a special Rate to buy a carbon offset for burning heretics?
Romeo13 on May 12, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Let’s play a quick round of “Let’s see how many braindead, American Idol-watching, room temperature IQ voters we can get to believe a pile of bulls***!”.
Bruce in NH on May 12, 2009 at 6:43 PM
The Libs are losing the Global Warming scam. This gives me much hope, as they invested so much on this scam. They also allied with the UN on this scam. Many of us have been pointing out the strange relationship between the Democrat Party and the UN. The UN is as anti-American as any recognized organization has ever been in my lifetime. But yet, we consistently see Democrats making back room deals with this organization, while protecting them at every turn. We also see our media providing cover and protection for the UN at every turn.
Keemo on May 12, 2009 at 6:46 PM
Oh please, Cap and Trade is dead so the Obama Admin leaked this to lessen the pressure on themselves.
rob verdi on May 12, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Americans are buying into the global warming hysteria.
You lose, environuts….
Republicans and moderate democrats need to band together to defeat any ridiculous envioro/carbon legislation that Obama & co try to pass.
therightwinger on May 12, 2009 at 6:53 PM
*aren’t
therightwinger on May 12, 2009 at 6:54 PM
The memo in question came from OMB, not EPA. OMB has review authority over all agency regulations. Its mandate is to review the cost of regulations, their adherence to the law, and the likelihood of a legal challenge.
rockmom on May 12, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Possible, but I doubt it. Probably was leaked by a sympathetic staff person at OMB. OMB’s regulatory office is staffed by economists, lawyers, and policy analysts, many of whom have a jaundiced eye toward regulation. They see themselves as being the last guardians against regulatory excess by agencies which are often captured by special interests. Having lobbied OMB once myself on an important regulation, I can tell you they are really tough and they really try to be objective and see all sides of a debate.
rockmom on May 12, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Um, I think the greenhouse effect is pretty solid. Anthropogenic global warming much less so, and it seems like that is what the memo was about. Let’s not confuse the two – it just gives liberals another link to “prove” conservatives don’t know science.
kc8ukw on May 12, 2009 at 7:11 PM
But it’s about saving the polar bears and clean air right?
Not according to this democrat:
Dem Congressman Admits: “Cap & Trade Is a Great Big Tax”
But…But…Obama’s environmental policies will create “Green Jobs” based on the models in Spain:
Green Jobs Myths
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1358423
Myth: Green jobs promote employment growth.
Reality: By promoting more jobs instead of more productivity, the green jobs described in the literature encourage low-paying jobs in less desirable conditions. Economic growth cannot be ordered by Congress or by the United Nations. Government interference – such as restricting successful technologies in favor of speculative technologies favored by special interests – will generate stagnation.
Just like Obama’s policies sealing the destruction of major American companies than putting them in the hands of the Unions,a major contributor (over 60 million) and supporter of his Presidential campaign, he is doing the same for GE/NBC.
Obama’s favorite network and cable station that has been his No.1 cheerleader NBC/MSNBC is owned by GE.
It’s payback time for them just like the unions:
Obama’s hidden bailout of General Electric
By: Timothy P. Carney
Examiner Columnist
Find this article at:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Obamas-hidden-bailout-of-General-Electric_03_04-40686707.html
And then it’s on to bigger and better things:
U.N. ‘Climate Change’ Plan Would Likely Shift Trillions to Form New World Economy
Friday , March 27, 2009
By George Russell
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510937,00.htmlget_a(300,250,“frame1″);
But the liberals say it’s all about the polar bears and clean air.
There is no amount of money or power a liberal won’t lie their a$$ off or sell their country out for.
Baxter Greene on May 12, 2009 at 7:11 PM
.
As with any religion. Agreed.
ronsfi on May 12, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Global warming never had a shot in this country.
Global warming required a “right” and a “wrong” set of behaviors. The proponents of global warming are in effect trying to reestablish a set doctrine of “sin” and “righteousness” based on nature, which runs counter to secular humanism’s evolution-embracing moral relativism.
If given a choice between the animalistic hedonism allowed by evolution, or the rigid guilt and sacrifices demanded by AGW, it’s not hard to see which choice will be more popular.
TMK on May 12, 2009 at 7:11 PM
“dubious assumptions” —- The hoax rests on dubious assumptions, to most folks that would be lies.
tarpon on May 12, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Baxter Greene on May 12, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Excellent post!
Keemo on May 12, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Well Ok as long as you buy carbon credits before you light the fire.
Oldnuke on May 12, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Dohhho
Guess ya haven’t been paying attention!
Its not “Global Warming” that’s way to narrow way to specific. Wayyyyy to easy to disprove.
Now it’s “climate change”.
The climate change activists are not “claiming” anything, thus they can never be proven wrong!
And I’m not being sarcastic, this is the truth.
DSchoen on May 12, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Greenhouse gases do exist… however…
You may want to do a bit of basic science research on the absorption characteristics of CO2.
It only absorbs energy in very specific wavelengths. Once that energy, in those wavelengths are totatly absorbed, you can add as much CO2 to the mix as you want, and there will be no more heat trapped… because there is no energy left to be absorbed by the excess CO2.
You must also factor in how much of those specific wavelengths are absorbed by other “Greenhouse” gases, where the absorption spectrum overlaps other gases…
And you must factor in how much of that energy would otherwise be absorbed, vice reflected, by the surface of the earth itself.
Boils down to CO2 does NOT drive temperature past a very specific level….
http://www.iitap.iastate.edu/gccourse/forcing/spectrum.html
If you look at the chart on the above link, you will see that even in 1959, ALL of the Energy in the wavelengths for CO2 was already being abosorbed… so, in essence, there is no energy left to absorb… thus adding more CO2 does not do a dang thing…
Science… interesting stuff…
Romeo13 on May 12, 2009 at 7:30 PM
FIFY
profitsbeard on May 12, 2009 at 7:44 PM
Its “climate change” cooling, warming or not changing at all, who cares, it’s irrelevant.
No matter what it’s a disaster!
So shut up and pay up!!
DSchoen on May 12, 2009 at 7:48 PM
So, you’re saying we’re screwed then…
PersonalLiberty on May 12, 2009 at 7:58 PM
I’m sorry – who is this ugly, stupid leftist?
Jaibones on May 12, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Heart-ache.
OneGyT on May 12, 2009 at 8:09 PM
That is quite possibly the funniest thing I’ve read all week.
Physics Geek on May 12, 2009 at 8:12 PM
WTH does that woman know about the science and the environment? She looks like a community activist.
DerKrieger on May 12, 2009 at 8:33 PM
I hear the bus coming around the corner…
txag92 on May 12, 2009 at 8:43 PM
WTH does that woman know about the science and the environment? She looks like a community
activistorganizer.DerKrieger on May 12, 2009 at 8:33 PM
txag92 on May 12, 2009 at 8:44 PM
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