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posted at 2:35 pm on May 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Greg Hengler at Townhall captures this revealing moment in the Senate Finance Committee hearings on health-care reform. The speaker, Professor Stuart Altman of Brandeis University, tells the committee that resources get wasted in the American health-care system, especially for one segment of the population. Professor Altman says he’s reluctant to mention it, but why waste money on in-depth treatment for people who won’t live long anyway? Better to warehouse them and save the resources for the young:

Remember, our population is aging. And with the very, very elderly, the costs go down, so that percentage should be falling, and it’s not. Second, the cost of care is growing by so much, so at the same percentage, it’s worth a lot more. So let’s go back to the issue of comparative effectiveness, which we’re supporting. That’s where that can have a big impact. It’s not only there, but that’s where the waste is. That’s where people are using technologies that really either don’t work at all or keep people alive for for very limited [time] and [at] very high cost.

Hospice is one option, but we do need take account of the cost — you know, I hate to say it, the cost-benefit of some of the things we do. And either we can do it directly, or we can do it by bundling the payments and let the delivery system deal with it. So it’s a combination of the delivery system dealing with it, or, and/or providing more information for people to make the right decisions, both for themselves and for the care.

Once again, we have people taking the shortage, rationing approach to its logical conclusion. In a non-shortage, free-market approach, people can choose for themselves whether to pursue cost-effective strategies based on their own resources, and the free market would incentivize the creation of enough resources to meet the demand. Only by restricting choice and setting prices will resources become scarce, which we have seen gradually for the last several decades in our own heavily-regulated health-care system, and seen dramatically in the various single-payer systems around the world.

What happens when the state controls all the resources? New resources do not develop, and the government winds up rationing care based on its own priorities, and not the priorities of the patients or caregivers. Professor Altman’s suggestion that the elderly get hospice treatment to save scarce care resources is exactly the kind of decisions the state will make for its citizens, and it won’t be limited to the elderly, either. Anyone whose value does not show a positive “cost-benefit” ratio to the state will also likely wind up without the kind of care necessary to stay alive and healthy.

Progressives who back this plan get offended that people with more resources can get better care, just as they can get better housing, better food, and better entertainment, among many other things. Like in all other arenas, their prescription for equality of result will mean that everyone gets treated equally poorly, and that we will eventually start culling out the weak in favor of the strong. We’ve essentially returned to the eugenics arguments of the early 20th century, a dark period of human history we should be avoiding rather than embracing on the floor of the Senate.


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Soylent Green, anyone?

upinak on May 12, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Nope. Best that they die and decrease the surplus population.

/s

Remember kids, Socialism is resource control. Always.

Skywise on May 12, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Woohoo — Logan’s Run Redux!

whtabtbill on May 12, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Bring out your dead!

Puddleglum on May 12, 2009 at 2:40 PM

keep people alive for for very limited [time] and [at] very high cost.

I can think of this Senator with an inoperable brain cancer, who this “bill” just might be named for….

Marcus on May 12, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Professor Altman says he’s reluctant to mention it, but why waste money on in-depth treatment for people who won’t live long anyway?

Let’s start with Senators over 70 who have brain tumors. (Rationing like this is horrifying)

zmdavid on May 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM

If private companies made this public; outrage.

If government does it; awesome.

lorien1973 on May 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM

“You’re not fooling anyone, you know. You’ll be stone dead in a minute.”

mojo on May 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Woohoo — Logan’s Run Redux!

whtabtbill on May 12, 2009 at 2:39 PM

So will “Lastday” come at 21 (per the book) or 30 (per the movie and TV series). ;)

Cadian on May 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Would this apply to the pols in DC I wonder? Ted Kennedy for example?

jeanie on May 12, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Carousel!

Blacklake on May 12, 2009 at 2:43 PM

It’s okay because there will always be a black market so you can still buy if you want. It will cost 100 times what it would in a free market sure but nothing is perfect.

Rocks on May 12, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Bring out your dead!

Puddleglum on May 12, 2009 at 2:40 PM

I’m not quite dead…

Daggett on May 12, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Should a guy this age be complaining about the cost of taking care of the elderly?

Tommy_G on May 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM

So what did Arlen Specter, Robert Byrd, Ted Kennedy, and the other old farts think of this?

CurtZHP on May 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Hey, kids like Trig Palin probably won’t work enough to pay for all the extra care they need too. Just dump them in the trash. Ain’t fascism grand?

rbj on May 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Save your money–you’re going to have to go to Europe or India for heath care–me too.

jeanie on May 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Always remember, the Socialist elite will NEVER have the same “health care” that they dictate to the peons.

Every possible medical approach will be available for them.

All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

P.S. This guy should look in the mirror. He doesn’t look to be too far removed from an elimination panel’s termination judgment.

OhEssYouCowboys on May 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM

So will “Lastday” come at 21 (per the book) or 30 (per the movie and TV series). ;)

Cadian on May 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM

That’s old hat. In the future it will be the 21st our 30th WEEK. If you don’t check out in the womb…byebye.

Rocks on May 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Add this to the dropping birth rate and who will be get to work? I think you only have to look at Europe to see the answer. Republicans need to use this, especially in southern Florida.

Cindy Munford on May 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Obama’s Healthcare Reform will have the Eskimo Iceflow procedure built in. Liberals are so humane.

kingsjester on May 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM

I’m not quite dead…

Daggett on May 12, 2009 at 2:43 PM

according to Obama, you are a natural resource now.

You can be methane, fertilizer or food. Which do you choose?

If I am used for anything, make me methane. I wanna make some liberals house stink!

upinak on May 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Puddleglum on May 12, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Classic !

Zorg on May 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Are they proposing anything that would prevent the affluent from accessing life-extending technologies or even cryogenics if they choose?

dedalus on May 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM

I still believe that sometime in the next 50 years or so we will arrive at the point where, on your 75th birthday, you are simply put down like a dog.

BigD on May 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Yeah, somehow old people suck the life out of everything but illegal immigrants working under the table will make America a better place…

Upstater85 on May 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM

There’s only a finite amount of medical resources, and the situation is only going to get worse as the baby boomers get older.

So who will be in charge of our NICE? I wonder if that person’s age will affect their decisions…

WisCon on May 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM

I still believe that sometime in the next 50 years or so we will arrive at the point where, on your 75th birthday, you are simply put down like a dog.

BigD on May 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Could we make an early exception for Nancy Pelosi — too much, Mr. Teh One?

Upstater85 on May 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM

At least now the babies in the hospital closets will have some company.

LibTired on May 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Ok…all those who are calling for rationing the elderly, because they’re old, or screaming for population control…do us a favor. Set the example. Be the first, to off yourself, and as Scrooge said…decrease the surplus population!!! If you’re so hell bent on this, then be the example to the rest of us. *hears crickets chirping*

capejasmine on May 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Who is this Altman moron?

jeanie on May 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM

This “Logan’s Run” mentality is already in place in bureaucratic decisions in Canada and the U.K.–and probably everywhere that the government makes health care decisions

The UK NHS recently announced its reluctance to spend ‘funds’ on alcoholics, and cutting back on care for the elderly has been exposed there as a frequent Happening

the Ultimate Slippery Slope…………

Janos Hunyadi on May 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM

He wants to warehouse my grandma?

myrenovations on May 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM

So what did Arlen Specter, Robert Byrd, Ted Kennedy, and the other old farts think of this?

CurtZHP on May 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Do not for a second believe that this will apply to all old folks; the elite will always be protected. Congress doesn’t have to obey their own rules, dontcha know!

Puddleglum on May 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM

So will “Lastday” come at 21 (per the book) or 30 (per the movie and TV series). ;)

Cadian on May 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Either way, they would have to amend the Constitution as you have to be at least 35 years of age to be president!

whtabtbill on May 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Didn’t AARP support Obama? What a shame, that they duped alot of elderly into backing this piece of scum.

capejasmine on May 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Where they burn books, …

Ooops, where they exterminate babies in the womb, …

OhEssYouCowboys on May 12, 2009 at 2:49 PM

The unmitigated opportunism and hypocrisy of leftist advocates of national health care is breathtaking.

On the one hand, they shamelessly use emotional appeals involving poor old people who can’t afford health care, no one looks after them, and they’re stuck eating dog food, etc, etc. The state needs to pay to take care of these people! Rich white fatcats are leaving them to starve and die im misery!

When that “argument” has gotten everyone softened up, the advocates then turn around and talk quite frankly about even hospice care being subject to “cost-effectiveness” assessments. Which can mean only one thing.

So here is the principle. If old people are living in poverty and can’t get health care because you and I aren’t being taxed enough, that’s bad.

If old people are left to get on with it and die, in poverty and without health care, because the government decides doing more for them is not cost-effective — that’s just fine.

J.E. Dyer on May 12, 2009 at 2:49 PM

My father is in his mid-80’s. He still works from home and generates mid-6 figures in income a year.

If some pinhead bureaucrat tells me he isn’t worth medical care, they are going to need a new bureaucrat.

I can safely say none of these morons have considered what might happen if they are a family member is denied services they used to get, even if they paid for them privately, especially if a child is involved.

Oh yes, one of the first things to go will be any form of private medical care. Doctors will flee the govt. system by the busload otherwise.

evilned on May 12, 2009 at 2:49 PM

The UK NHS recently announced its reluctance to spend ‘funds’ on alcoholics, and cutting back on care for the elderly has been exposed there as a frequent Happening

the Ultimate Slippery Slope…………

Janos Hunyadi on May 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM

No help for alcoholics in the UK?? Who else is there?

Rocks on May 12, 2009 at 2:49 PM

capejasmine on May 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Actually they did! But, since this would put their insurance arm out of business, I think they might change their tune if this happened.

jeanie on May 12, 2009 at 2:49 PM

I heard Rush playing clips of Obama using the term “provider INCENTIVES”….
As a doctor, I can tell you what that means – we’re going to be penalized if we treat patients and they continue to smoke, drink, gain weight, etc. And I can tell you what that means – if you smoke, drink, gain weight and want an appointment with me……

Marcus on May 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM

“Altman” is a German name, and translates as ‘old man’

irony, meet bureaucratic pretzel logic………

Janos Hunyadi on May 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Didn’t AARP support Obama? What a shame, that they duped alot of elderly into backing this piece of scum.

capejasmine on May 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM

AARP is still the group that strongly supports our current failed version of Social Security… They are the ACORN of the retirement homes…

Upstater85 on May 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Speaking of Logan’s Run, looks like they are updating it for sometime next year and they actually use 21 as your “lastday”

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0402344/

whtabtbill on May 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Oh yes, one of the first things to go will be any form of private medical care. Doctors will flee the govt. system by the busload otherwise.

evilned on May 12, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Doctors are already “fleeing” the Gov Medical System. It is called Medicare!

upinak on May 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM

I heard Rush playing clips of Obama using the term “provider INCENTIVES”….
As a doctor, I can tell you what that means – we’re going to be penalized if we treat patients and they continue to smoke, drink, gain weight, etc. And I can tell you what that means – if you smoke, drink, gain weight and want an appointment with me……

Marcus on May 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Wouldn’t that be discriminatory? //s

Upstater85 on May 12, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Actually, when I think about it – this could be used as a clearinghouse for Congress.

I may re-think my opposition.

:OP

OhEssYouCowboys on May 12, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Maybe they can make a one way trip for enviromental
wacko’s,the global warmers,the greeners,and once they
get to old,and they have nothing left but activism,

they can stick em in pods,like the movie,

‘Silent Running’ with Bruce Dern,and shove off
into deep space,nuclear detonation optional,tee hee!!!

canopfor on May 12, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Actually, when I think about it – this could be used as a clearinghouse for Congress.

I may re-think my opposition.

:OP

OhEssYouCowboys on May 12, 2009 at 2:52 PM

They should lead the way and set the age at 55…

Upstater85 on May 12, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Just think of all the Biblical figures who would’ve met with State termination – because of their advanced age.

OhEssYouCowboys on May 12, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Soylent Green, anyone?

upinak on May 12, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Maybe that’s why they started calling them “seasoned citizens” a few years ago.

29Victor on May 12, 2009 at 2:54 PM

When is Al Gore going to manufacture some proof that Old People cause global warming.

Upstater85 on May 12, 2009 at 2:54 PM

I’m 55 years old. This scares the crap out of me. My vision of the future sure ain’t as bright as it used to be.

jewells45 on May 12, 2009 at 2:54 PM

They should lead the way and set the age at 55…

Upstater85 on May 12, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Byrd’s been in Congress for so long, they’d have to destroy his family tree – just to break even.

OhEssYouCowboys on May 12, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Coming soon: Dr. Kevorkian Research Facilities to each and every city…

Ladywolfnl on May 12, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Are they remaking soylent green? If they are doing Logans run.. why not soylent green?

upinak on May 12, 2009 at 2:56 PM

He wants to warehouse my grandma?

myrenovations on May 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Yes.

Kensington on May 12, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Dr. Kevorkian for Surgeon General?

Kensington on May 12, 2009 at 2:57 PM

upinak on May 12, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Who would you replace Chuck Heston and Edward G. Robinson with? Maybe Clooney or Gibson with Morgan Freeman?

kingsjester on May 12, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Getting rid of old people will help reduce global warming, don’t you know, by reducing all those carbon footprints.

Save the snail darter and the polar bear, but no soup for you if you’re old.

Dhuka on May 12, 2009 at 2:59 PM

‘Bout an hour ago I saw some lady on MSNBC. She said that one of the suggestions that was unanimously approved in committee hearings has been the idea that people should be taxed for the value of the healthcare coverage that employers provide-especially if it’s over a certain amount. She gave the example of anyone getting more than $15000 in healthcare for their family ought to have that above amount taxed.

Um, so….the way to improve our healthcare system is to tax people who are most sick? Do these people realize that eventually WE ALL GET SICK? So, my wife with MS is going to get taxed more than some vegan?

UNBELIEVABLE

scottm on May 12, 2009 at 3:00 PM

If equality is what the left is all about, and everyone deserves a home, via the government, then where is the fairness in what they propose, concerning the elderly? As long as they’re alive, don’t they deserve a quality of life, until God decides otherwise?

Notice that? God decides? Not the government. *ANGRY*

capejasmine on May 12, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Not only are the elderly not worthy of timely and thorough medical care according to the leftist scum, but young disabled people are to be tossed to the side as well.

Why spend good money on someone that cannot put more money back into the system? (healthy people in other words). Health care is for healthy people, the people that become a drag on the system and can’t easily and cheaply be ‘fixed’ should be tossed on the heap. In fact, liberals are at odds with themselves trying to find a way to accelerate their deaths without making it look like they are doing just that.

The new term for this will be, “post birth abortion”, and will be controlled by the leftist fascist state.

All hail zerobama, may he be the first aborted.

Spiritk9 on May 12, 2009 at 3:01 PM

kingsjester on May 12, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Who cares… but they ARE remaking soylent green!

I would suspect it would be someone newer… like Farrell or even Dane Cook would do well on something like that.

upinak on May 12, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Already in place in the Netherlands.

President Zero will probably schedule one’s “renewal” / expiration date to coincide with attaining eligibility for Social Security. No need to raise the retirement age if you can simply kill ‘em.

viking01 on May 12, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Damn, my parents aren’t gonna like this.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on May 12, 2009 at 3:01 PM

How about this: when you hit 60, you are euthanized and turned into Soylent Green. That way there’s no more money wsted on the elderly AND you can feed people.

Rightwingguy on May 12, 2009 at 3:02 PM

They aren’t even saying how this is a 2-for-1 deal for them.

Old people die faster = lower health care costs AND faster government confiscation of their wealth through the Death Tax.

It’s a win-win for Big Government!

rockmom on May 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Why don’t they just encourage us to visit Mexico City then? Instead of restricting travel…just think what wonderful thing a real pandemic would be for the progressive elites.

kirkill on May 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM

The AARP post started me thinking. I wonder if this national health care will just be like medicare in the end. Medicare, itself,covers the basics and only a percentage of that. Those that can pay the difference out of pocket, do so. Those that can’t are usually shifted to some variation of Medicaid. Others, that can afford it, have supplemental insurance that they pay for themselves. This, if you have a decent plan, covers most of what Medicare does not–especially catastrophic illness. The big stumbling block , as I see it, would be Part D–the drug plan. If you want supplemental insurance that covers this, the costs are prohibitive for all but the the most well heeled seniors. I can’t see the big insurance carriers losing this huge part of their incomes, they’ll find a way not to I suspect. My fear in this regard is that those companies who provide medical insurance for their retirees will find a way to drop it based on this plan of obama’s. Should this happen, millions of retirees will then be thrown back on national health insurance and then the above scenario will most surely kick in. obama seems to lack the ability to think ahead or see the consequences of his actions–in the end this will do him and us in I think.

jeanie on May 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Spiritk9 on May 12, 2009 at 3:01 PM

And NOW you know why the Left was so offended by Trig Palin!

Once they get control of health care, abortion of Down Syndrome babies will be MANDATORY.

rockmom on May 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM

AARP is still the group that strongly supports our current failed version of Social Security… They are the ACORN of the retirement homes…

Upstater85 on May 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM

My mom is a member, but I’m going to strongly encourage her to drop them, like a bad habit.

My husband, and I are fast approaching that age. I told him we were NOT going to be joining. When I saw that they supported Obama, that’s all I needed to know.

capejasmine on May 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM

And NOW you know why the Left was so offended by Trig Palin!

Once they get control of health care, abortion of Down Syndrome babies will be MANDATORY.

rockmom on May 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM

You know….the vision of that kind of a world, just scares the hell out of me. We have to fight against this. This just cannot be how it is.

capejasmine on May 12, 2009 at 3:06 PM

You know I’m gonna get beat up for saying this, but the WW2 vets that are dying by the rate of around 1400 a month are the ones that gave birth to the very assholes who think this is a good idea. Ironic though cause those assholes at the earliest are at least 64 years old. Man, I have this fantasy of having the baby boomers turn into soylent green while the rest of us as well as the 80-90 sect live long and prosper.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on May 12, 2009 at 3:07 PM

And we know that the “progressives” who are busy exploding our national debt will need to have today’s “Echo Boom” generation paying off that debt, not paying to keep their parents (i.e. us Baby Boomers) alive.

rockmom on May 12, 2009 at 3:07 PM

This is the logical progression for liberals who value life so little. From babies in the womb to old people…they’re expendable, non-contributing members of society that will potentially suckle at the government teat and displace someone else more “valuable”. Stalin/Marx/Lenin would be so proud…

Wyznowski on May 12, 2009 at 3:09 PM

I still believe that sometime in the next 50 years or so we will arrive at the point where, on your 75th birthday, you are simply put down like a dog.

BigD on May 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM

They probably need an efficient gun control program before they try to start that. Otherwise, it’s liable to get pretty loud, messy, and high risk.

a capella on May 12, 2009 at 3:09 PM

rockmom on May 12, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Oh you mean like Germany or Belgium…

we are going down that way and no one is waking up!

upinak on May 12, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Thanks for posting this Ed. Everything about Obamacare is frightening, from the outrageous cost to rationing to what would amount to utter dependence on the government.

Obama himself questioned whether his grandmother should have had a hip replacement.

THE PRESIDENT: Now, I actually think that the tougher issue around medical care — it’s a related one — is what you do around things like end-of-life care —

(Interviewer)Yes, where it’s $20,000 for an extra week of life.

THE PRESIDENT: Exactly. And I just recently went through this. I mean, I’ve told this story, maybe not publicly, but when my grandmother got very ill during the campaign, she got cancer; it was determined to be terminal. And about two or three weeks after her diagnosis she fell, broke her hip. It was determined that she might have had a mild stroke, which is what had precipitated the fall.

So now she’s in the hospital, and the doctor says, Look, you’ve got about — maybe you have three months, maybe you have six months, maybe you have nine months to live. Because of the weakness of your heart, if you have an operation on your hip there are certain risks that — you know, your heart can’t take it. On the other hand, if you just sit there with your hip like this, you’re just going to waste away and your quality of life will be terrible.

And she elected to get the hip replacement and was fine for about two weeks after the hip replacement, and then suddenly just — you know, things fell apart.

I don’t know how much that hip replacement cost. I would have paid out of pocket for that hip replacement just because she’s my grandmother. Whether, sort of in the aggregate, society making those decisions to give my grandmother, or everybody else’s aging grandparents or parents, a hip replacement when they’re terminally ill is a sustainable model, is a very difficult question. If somebody told me that my grandmother couldn’t have a hip replacement and she had to lie there in misery in the waning days of her life — that would be pretty upsetting.

(Interviewer) And it’s going to be hard for people who don’t have the option of paying for it.

THE PRESIDENT: So that’s where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues. But that’s also a huge driver of cost, right?

I mean, the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here.

Brat on May 12, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Who would you replace Chuck Heston and Edward G. Robinson with? Maybe Clooney or Gibson with Morgan Freeman?

kingsjester on May 12, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Robert Downey, Jr. and Jon Voight. Maybe Orson Bean if Mr. Voight isn’t available.

By the way, I saw Soylent Green a few years ago and was taken aback by what a stupid, stupid film it is. It’s dystopian visions are moronic, infantile and laughable. It’s not good science fiction, just badly dated leftwing agitprop.

Especially funny was listening to the directors commentary. This guy really thinks that the film’s depictions of an overpopulation crisis is relevant today. Completely delusional!

Kensington on May 12, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Can someone please explain to me where the he!! the RNC is on this? Too bad Harry and Louise are doing ads for Big Health Service (the term “care” is a misnomer).

Rae on May 12, 2009 at 3:12 PM

rockmom on May 12, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Wyznowski on May 12, 2009 at 3:09 PM

If this is progress, I want no part of it!

capejasmine on May 12, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Good to see the left is once again bringing back eugenics. After all we can not keep spending money for the old or infirm or genetically inferior or even on the merely inconvenient unplanned pregnancy.
So will we ever know the name of the bureaucrat who refuses to allow for the expenditure of our medical treatment or will they hide behind “medical privacy” laws so as to never be held accountable?

LincolntheHun on May 12, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Useless eaters.

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29Victor on May 12, 2009 at 3:16 PM

I don’t and would never join AARP. When I get mail from them, I send the respond envelope back with nothing in it. It is on their dime. That group is slime, as I see it. I will not have my money to them go to bho!
L

letget on May 12, 2009 at 3:16 PM

While we are talking about the value of life……

OT:Sweden rules ‘gender-based’ abortion legal

While we are talking about the value of life……

portlandon on May 12, 2009 at 3:19 PM

We understand only the individual’s capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow man. – Adolph Hitler

If you can no longer serve the community – the Nazis showed Congress the way.

OhEssYouCowboys on May 12, 2009 at 3:19 PM

We’ve essentially returned to the eugenics arguments of the early 20th century, a dark period of human history we should be avoiding rather than embracing on the floor of the Senate.

This is just the beginning. There will also be fetal screening for potential diseases, and guess what happens if your baby is more likely to get a non-politically correct disease? You say your religion doesn’t tolerate killing babies in the womb? Too bad, it won’t be your choice anymore.

Vashta.Nerada on May 12, 2009 at 3:21 PM

My dad saw all of this coming in 1965 when Medicare was enacted. People told him he was crazy.

Now we have the worst of all worlds – a goverment-run system for the very old, the very young, the poor (including millions of illegal immigrants), and veterans, with the costs that this system doesn’t cover piled on to everyone else. We allowed an employer-based health insurance system to spring up during World War II when employers were forbidden by the government from increasing wages.

The whole system really is FUBAR and it is politically stupid to say “No” to any reform. But the question is how can MORE government solve any problem that is largely the result of too much government?

rockmom on May 12, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Does anyone want the bureaucrats who are controlling Social Security costs, controlling your healthcare?

meci on May 12, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Kensington, I agree about “Soylent Green”

I saw it when the film first was released, and have seen in since then on TV. It most definately does suck wind

Europe and Russia are headed quickly towards DE-population, not the opposite, with non-European immigrants keeping the populations of those countries barely stable or only slightly declining–for now.

The Russian government is trying to motivate women to have children, but their health care system ( such as it ever was ) was always based on easy access to abortions.

It’s hard to break Old Habits……

Janos Hunyadi on May 12, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Can someone please explain to me where the he!! the RNC is on this? Too bad Harry and Louise are doing ads for Big Health Service (the term “care” is a misnomer).

Rae on May 12, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Steele’s on the Soloflex. Man, those trainers are real Nazis, huh?

Kensington on May 12, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Progressives who back this plan get offended that people with more resources can get better care, just as they can get better housing, better food, and better entertainment, among many other things. Like in all other arenas, their prescription for equality of result will mean that everyone gets treated equally poorly,…

There will still be elites who get better care. But instead of them being the people who saved to pay for it, or who made sacrifices to buy better insurance coverage, the priviledged class we be selected by the bureaucracy. The people whom the government values, like celebrities, high government officials, political activists who support their positions, and the various families and hangers-on will get excellent care at state-of-the-art hospitals. You can bet that no Member of Congress will ever be denied anything.

You, on the other hand, are screwed.

and that we will eventually start culling out the weak in favor of the strong. We’ve essentially returned to the eugenics arguments of the early 20th century, a dark period of human history we should be avoiding rather than embracing on the floor of the Senate.

The eugenic argument started with the abortion advocates. They were constantly balancing the value of the child against other concerns. It was intensified with the debate over Federal funding for Embryonic Stem Cell Research. The government has taken sides, and decided that the value of certain research is greater than the value of human life. Now the argument reaches full flower as the government decides who lives or who dies in order to save a couple bucks.

I would call this more of a utilitarian argument than a eugenic one, but both roads lead to Aushwitz, so it doesn’t much matter.

gridlock2 on May 12, 2009 at 3:25 PM

This is just the beginning. There will also be fetal screening for potential diseases, and guess what happens if your baby is more likely to get a non-politically correct disease? You say your religion doesn’t tolerate killing babies in the womb? Too bad, it won’t be your choice anymore.

Vashta.Nerada on May 12, 2009 at 3:21 PM

Yup, religion-based morality won’t be cost-effective, either.

Imagine the glee on the Left when they can finally force people like Trig Palin to be aborted.

Kensington on May 12, 2009 at 3:25 PM

You can be methane, fertilizer or food. Which do you choose?

If I am used for anything, make me methane. I wanna make some liberals house stink!

upinak on May 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM

I want to be food. What do Chinese hookers eat?

Daggett on May 12, 2009 at 3:25 PM

This is just the beginning. There will also be fetal screening for potential diseases, and guess what happens if your baby is more likely to get a non-politically correct disease? You say your religion doesn’t tolerate killing babies in the womb? Too bad, it won’t be your choice anymore.

Vashta.Nerada on May 12, 2009 at 3:21 PM

Sounds like Gattaca, ever see it?

Utopian societies are great fantasy… but the reality of life is what people fear most and hate with a passion.

upinak on May 12, 2009 at 3:25 PM

capejasmine on May 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Might be wise to aks her first(unless you know already) if and where her supplementary insurance is. AARP, for all they are annoying, does offer very competitive premiums on on it’s supplementary insurance.

jeanie on May 12, 2009 at 3:28 PM

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