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We went thru the ozone mess. Why no alarmists on that? Ozone is created in great tonnage by lightning. Lightning is not mman made either.

When I see news stories on affordable solar panels for $20000 that end with the reality that you and I are chipping in the other $25000 I know we are being hosed.

Take it from a teasip – there ain’t no more money!
We’re flat broke and our mommy (China) is getting ready to take away our car keys.
No bucks, no Buck Rogers, as they say..

TexasJew on May 12, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Someone better pull the fuses from the printing presses over at Treasury, too.

Can you say HOME BREW? The govt is forcing us all to become criminals. Grow tobacco and roll our own cigs, cook our beer, cheat on our taxes, keep illegal guns, black market sugar and greasy donuts, on and on. Everybody take a year off and pay no taxes, feds disappear, problem solved.

Kissmygrits on May 12, 2009 at 3:27 PM

I believe that in the commie utopia that preceeded our commie utopia, the soviets had a word that if I recall was Nichevo or something like that. It meant ‘on the left’ or the black market society. The only way you survived was to constantly game the system.

OTOH, Michelle o will still be able to buy here size 15 500 dollar sneakers any time she wants at the Government store

Answer – They were covered under ice sheets two freaking miles thick.. About 10 miles outside Philly PA, you will find huge grey boulders left by the last ice age about 15k years ago… THE ICE WAS ALL THE WAY TO PHILLY..

Actually this ice has been melting for the last 90 thousand freaking years….. Even the jug eared jackass and Owlgore should be able to spot a trend there. BTW – mankind has been around 30k years or so and recorded history only goes back about 5k years. The industrial age is measured in only a few hundreds of years… IOW, man has not caused all that freaking ice to melt.

So?? Follow question for OWL BOre… “DOn’t you see the trend moron??… a trend that has existed well before many had any capability of influencing things”

BTW – I wonder if AP was having some fun with the pic. About half the ’scary smoke’ is nothing more than water vapor from reactor cooling towers.

These morons are going to send humanity back into the dark ages…

Ignore our memo, the liberals now say. It included passages from people who don’t always disagree with us and is, obviously then, utterly wrong. The quotations circulating in the press are from a document in which OMB simply collated and……

Yep, and as Glenn Beck pointed out this morning, GE/Immelt is sucking off not just one gubmit teat, but two. Not just the green energy teat, but also socialized health care.

petefrt on May 12, 2009 at 1:56 PM

And as Bill O’Reilly has pointed out many times, GE/Immelt also does business with Iran, which is developing nuclear energy to threaten Israel and Europe because they can’t refine their own oil.

They did leave off one very major greenhouse gas off that list… water vapor

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on May 12, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Excellent point! The whole “CO2 causes global warming” argument is based on the fact that CO2 absorbs infrared waves reflected from the earth very well over a narrow band of wavelengths, roughly from 14 to 16 microns. Water vapor, whose concentration in the air is 10 to 100 times higher than that of CO2, absorbs over the entire infrared spectrum. Nobody can seriously limit water vapor emissions when 70%+ of the earth’s surface is covered with water!

From a heat-absorption point of view, man-made CO2 emissions only account for about 0.03% of the total infrared heat-trapping effect (without which the oceans would freeze), so that trying to limit CO2 emissions is like using a sledgehammer of solid gold to kill a fly on the elephant of the water-vapor effect.

In reality, global climate is driven much more by sunspots (warming), volcanic eruptions (cooling), and El Nino (mixed regional effects) than by CO2 content, and mankind cannot alter the first three variables. Although CO2 levels continue to rise in the atmosphere, global temperatures have cooled since 1998, and the cooling trend has accelerated since 2006.

But don’t bother cap-and-traders with the facts! Their computer models say that high CO2 levels will cause sea levels to rise 60 cm (about 2 feet) in 100 years, and that would be so horrible that we need to cripple the entire world economy to prevent it! (Wouldn’t it be cheaper to build sea walls two feet high over the next century?). The best weather-forecasting models diverge from eventual reality after about 5 DAYS–how can anyone believe predictions from a computer model for 100 YEARS from now?

I attended a meeting of the Boston chapter of the American Institute of Chemical Engineers last Thursday, where a panel of “experts” were blatantly pushing cap-and-trade, and asking people from deep-blue MA to call midwestern Senators from “greedy” coal states to back cap-and-trade, despite its horrific impact on local economies. But, when questioned, the “experts” had no real plan for encouraging nuclear power plants (which do not emit CO2), and said that taxing CO2 emissions would send money to the U.S. Treasury “instead of” sending hundreds of billions of dollars to overseas oil sheiks.

But wait a minute! The United States only gets about 3% of its electricity from oil, so that cap-and-trade on power companies would have little effect on oil imports, most of which are used for transportation and home heating. Do they plan to impose a “cap” on CO2 emissions from cars and home heating, or the equivalent of rationing fuel? I could just imagine, every December, the Government telling people, sorry, you’ve used up your CO2 quota for this year–you’re not allowed to drive to the mall to go Christmas Winter Solstice Holiday shopping, and you can’t heat your home during the snowstorm, to prevent global warming!

They also said that “peak oil production” would probably occur around 2030, after which oil supplies would decline. But when I suggested the use of shale oil to push that date farther into the future, to buy time for developing alternative energy (and reduce oil payments to foreign governments), they said that using shale oil would cook the planet for our children!

Have any of these people bothered to do some simple math? It is estimated that there are about a trillion barrels of shale oil under the Rockies, enough to eliminate America’s oil imports for about 200 years. Assuming that shale oil weighs 8 pounds/gallon, burning this much shale oil would produce about 480 gigatonnes of CO2 in 200 years, or about 2.4 gigatonnes per year, which is about 10% of world’s current emission rate of CO2. Since the shale oil would displace consumption of imported oil from foreign countries, the net effect would be less than 10%. How is an additional 10% of less of CO2 going to “cook” the planet?

But the “experts” lecturing us engineers rely on IPCC predictions–the same people that write the conclusions to their reports before examining the data. They tell us that open water absorbs more heat than sea ice, but they don’t say that melting SEA ice doesn’t raise sea levels, because floating ice displaces its weight in water! Have any of these “experts” looked at weather data from far-north stations near large bodies of water, which get more snow in autumn (with open water nearby) than in midwinter or early spring, when the water is frozen? Extend that north to Greenland, and open water along the coast increases summer snowfall on the interior ice cap, at over 2,000 meters altitude and below freezing all zummer. Greenland ice may melt along the edges, but it’s getting THICKER in the interior!

But this is what we’re up against–”experts” who conveniently cherry-pick data for their own agenda, who try to lure gullible young engineers into lobbying midwestern Senators to killing their states’ economy with cap-and-trade, and a few subsidized “green” industries get rich, everybody else gets MUCH poorer, and the earth may be 0.001 degree cooler, until a sunspot rears its ugly head.

To stop “global warming”, cooler HEADS must prevail.

Just like the blow hards screaming about global warming. Global warming isn’t working, so they chose climate change, as their new rallying cry. Even though, they know, and admitted they know the earth is cooling.

Al Gore, GE, and the ilk, stand to make billions, and will say, and do anything, to get us to swallow this horse pill.

capejasmine on May 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Which is a joke, because on the time scales invloved, climate has NEVER been stable. The whole planet goes through huge geologic changes, and its climate changes with it. Hey Al – You want to stop climate change? Tell me how you propose to arrest plate tectonics and regulate the output of the Sun, and then I might start listening. When I get done laughing first.

What I’ve always wondered, though, are a couple of details. If having a frozen icepack at the Arctic is such a great idea, what are those polar bears and seals and the like supposed to eat? There’s very little edible vegetation up there, even for the herbivores. Fish don’t live long in solid ice, either. So what to the fuzzy-wuzzy crowd think will keep their mascots from ending up as frozen corpsicles?

The other question is, did these people even pass their college high-school middle-school science classes? Water expands when freezing into ice, and shrinks when it melts. So you can melt the ice caps all you want, sea level should only go down (yes, I know, there’s salt in seawater, as well as other trace elements. There’s even enough uranium to make mining almost obsolete. But there’s not enough other junk to change the basic structure of water vs ice).

Cap and trade may wreck the economy, but 0-bama has great pecs. And a puppy.

Cicero43 on May 12, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Bet it won’t stop Ostupid from keeping the thermostat at 82 in the winter, and 68 in the summer, at the White House.

This memo destroys the argument made by Obama often over the last two years that cap-and-trade would wind up being an economic boon.

You’re wrong. Your so called facts don’t account for the power to be generated by unicorn flatulence.