Stupid: Pelosi didn’t object to waterboarding in order to respect “appropriate” channels

posted at 9:06 pm on May 11, 2009 by Allahpundit

Please, make it stop. I can handle lying, but I can’t handle bad lying. At least not this much of it.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi learned in early 2003 that the Bush administration was waterboarding terror detainees but didn’t protest directly out of respect for “appropriate” legislative channels, a confidant of the San Francisco Democrat said Monday…

[T]here’s no dispute that on Feb. 4, 2003 — five months after Pelosi’s September meeting — CIA officials briefed Pelosi aide Michael Sheehy and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.), then the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, on the specific techniques that had been used on Zubaydah — including waterboarding.

Harman was so alarmed by what she had heard, she drafted a short letter to the CIA’s general counsel to express “profound” concerns with the tactic — going so far as to ask if waterboarding had been personally “approved by the president.”

According to the Pelosi confidant, Sheehy told Pelosi about the briefing — and later informed Pelosi, the newly elected minority leader, that Harman was drafting a protest letter. Pelosi told Sheehy to tell Harman that she agreed with the letter, the Pelosi insider said. But she did not ask to be listed as a signatory on the letter, the source said, and there is no reference to her in it

“She felt that the appropriate response was the letter from Harman, because Jane was the one who was briefed,” said the person. Pelosi “never got briefed on it personally, and when Harman got a ‘no response’ from the CIA, there was nothing more that could be done.”

Other possible “appropriate responses,” right off the top of my head: (1) Pelosi could have demanded to be briefed personally to learn more about this alarming new development; (2) Pelosi could have written her own letter; (3) Pelosi could have co-signed Harman’s letter; (4) Pelosi could have demanded a CIA response to Harman’s letter; (5) Pelosi could have pressured the GOP leadership to inquire further; (6) Pelosi could have leaked the details about waterboarding to the press, which wouldn’t have been “appropriate” per se but would at least have signaled the depth of her alleged concern. Instead, she let it lie. How come, Madam Speaker?

Update: Has anyone asked yet why, if “torture” was such an epochal issue, Pelosi was sending staffers to CIA briefings in her place instead of going herself? What urgent business of state prevented her from carving out a bit of time to find out how apocalyptic jihadists were being treated by the country’s chief intelligence agency?

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Give that woman a shovel and let her keep on digging.

Yakko77 on May 11, 2009 at 10:18 PM

This lying twit’s twat is on fire.

BuckeyeSam on May 11, 2009 at 10:19 PM

I don’t know what’s worse, Pelosi lying, or the Republicans supporting spying on Americans.

True_King on May 11, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Of course, your great-grandparents had no problem with Bobby Kennedy tapping MLK’s phone, or FDR imprisoning Americans who happened to have Japanese ancestry.

Here’s a question for you-the 9/11 perps were all living in the US for quite a while before carrying out the attacks. If they could have been prevented from completing their mission by being spied on, would you approve?

And remember, they were living here in America. While that doesn’t make them “American citizens”, I am sure you would claim they were.

Just curious. How would you have prevented 9/11?

Del Dolemonte on May 11, 2009 at 10:19 PM

Written quotations don’t do her justice. You have to include the nervous stammering and the unconvincing hand gestures.

G***.

BuckeyeSam on May 11, 2009 at 10:21 PM

Stupid: Pelosi didn’t object to waterboarding in order to respect “appropriate” channels

No… Nancy tolerates torture… Say it with me… It’s bound to get her re-elected – or at least a shoe-in for most loved Speaker evah!

Upstater85 on May 11, 2009 at 10:22 PM

Just curious. How would you have prevented 9/11?

Del Dolemonte on May 11, 2009 at 10:19 PM

Cut back on the number of Foreign Muslims allowed to enter the country???

Upstater85 on May 11, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Cut back on the number of Foreign Muslims allowed to enter the country???

Upstater85 on May 11, 2009 at 10:25 PM

having the FBI and State Department do their job???

sven10077 on May 11, 2009 at 10:26 PM

Just curious. How would you have prevented 9/11?

Del Dolemonte on May 11, 2009 at 10:19 PM

That’s a trick question. See, we deserved 9/11, and much more. Prevent indeed!

/sarc

BobMbx on May 11, 2009 at 10:27 PM

having the FBI and State Department do their job???

sven10077 on May 11, 2009 at 10:26 PM

With Hillary in charge? TEE HEE!

txag92 on May 11, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Back in the day, we would have tested her buoyancy and then dealt with her appropriately.

She turned me into a newt!

gregbert on May 11, 2009 at 10:28 PM

having the FBI and State Department do their job???

sven10077 on May 11, 2009 at 10:26 PM

Watcha talking about – aren’t you a Patriotic North American that craves large, wasteful government entities?

p.p.ing Powell

Upstater85 on May 11, 2009 at 10:28 PM

The two bullets aren’t necessary.

A size 12 combat boot up this broomstick in a trashbag’s traitorous ass, would promote the appallingly corrupt/incompetent Steny Hoyer to Speaker.

Followed by a burial at sea – in a septic tank.

NoDonkey on May 11, 2009 at 10:29 PM

That’s a trick question. See, we deserved 9/11, and much more. Prevent indeed!

/sarc

BobMbx on May 11, 2009 at 10:27 PM

suddenly ScareForce Won makes sense….Ogabe will prevent Radical Islam from pulling another Field Expedient ALCM surprise by having his entourage do it instead….

“proxy work”

sven10077 on May 11, 2009 at 10:29 PM

Followed by a burial at sea – in a septic tank.

NoDonkey on May 11, 2009 at 10:29 PM

Isn’t San – Fran full of people that like to go into septic tanks?

Upstater85 on May 11, 2009 at 10:30 PM

someone get her under oath already so we can impeach her for perjury

Chiasmos on May 11, 2009 at 9:09 PM

As Bill Clinton proved, you can’t impeach someone for lying about sects.

PackerBronco on May 11, 2009 at 10:30 PM

suddenly ScareForce Won makes sense….Ogabe will prevent Radical Islam from pulling another Field Expedient ALCM surprise by having his entourage do it instead….

“proxy work”

sven10077 on May 11, 2009 at 10:29 PM

Obama: One Step ahead of the terrorists… /s

Upstater85 on May 11, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Isn’t San – Fran full of people that like to go into septic tanks?

Upstater85 on May 11, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Yep, they’re called bath houses.

txag92 on May 11, 2009 at 10:31 PM

What urgent business of state prevented her from carving out a bit of time to find out how apocalyptic jihadists were being treated by the country’s chief intelligence agency?

Botox treatments. Priorities ya know.

GarandFan on May 11, 2009 at 10:32 PM

Nan’s seen worse things than water boarding during parades on the streets of Frisco.

Jamson64 on May 11, 2009 at 10:33 PM

I wonder if Nancy is aware that they used her image as torture… for the really tough cookies, they threatened a weekend at the Motel 6 with Nan…

Upstater85 on May 11, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Nan’s seen worse things than water boarding during parades on the streets of Frisco.

Jamson64 on May 11, 2009 at 10:33 PM

I thought Bawney was from Mass.

Upstater85 on May 11, 2009 at 10:35 PM

Isn’t San – Fran full of people that like to go into septic tanks?

Upstater85 on May 11, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Pelosi’s District IS a septic tank.

Her constituency has been known to raise a big stink when they don’t get their way.

NoDonkey on May 11, 2009 at 10:35 PM

This lying twit’s twat is on fire.

BuckeyeSam on May 11, 2009 at 10:19 PM

There’s medicine for that, isn’t there? LOL

ddrintn on May 11, 2009 at 10:36 PM

There’s medicine for that, isn’t there? LOL

ddrintn on May 11, 2009 at 10:36 PM

No fixing that woman

Jamson64 on May 11, 2009 at 10:39 PM

There’s medicine for that, isn’t there? LOL

ddrintn on May 11, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Not a woman… so I don’t know if I can answer that question… That said, Preparation H is the cure for Nancy!

Upstater85 on May 11, 2009 at 10:39 PM

So, when America was in the Colosseum of Torture, did Nan give the thumbs up or thumbs down?

What would any good Empress do?

Upstater85 on May 11, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Maybe she can write about this fascinating episode in her next book! It’s bound to rank in her the top 10,000 on the NY Times best seller list. She’ll be at 9,999 — one spot better than Keith Olbermann’s next literary masterpiece.

jdflorida on May 11, 2009 at 10:49 PM

So, when America was in the Colosseum of Torture

Was? We’re still being tortured.

Being “governed” by incompetent, corrupt, slobbering idiots like Nancy Pelosi and having an unqualified jackass in the Oval Office, is torture by any definition.

Whereas what poor dears like KSM and his buddies went through were love taps. They deserved no better than being drawn and quartered while Democrats continually treat them to tongue baths.

NoDonkey on May 11, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Burn her at the stake.

I will bring the kerosene.

You guys bring the kindling.

Give Sarah Palin flint and steel…i bet she knows how to start a fire.

BillaryMcBush on May 11, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Of course Nancy approves of torture. If she loses the dominatrix vote she will be out of work in her home district.

DeweyWins on May 11, 2009 at 11:01 PM

It’s about the children.

JeffinOrlando on May 11, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Burn her at the stake.

Talk about toxic fumes.

Would smell like burning tires dumped into an overflowing latrine.

What else would it smell like?

Victory.

NoDonkey on May 11, 2009 at 11:02 PM

Talk about toxic fumes.

Would smell like burning tires dumped into an overflowing latrine.

What else would it smell like?

Victory.

NoDonkey on May 11, 2009 at 11:02 PM

last gasp would be:

“you better buy carbon offsets PEONS we have a WORLD TO SAVE!”

sven10077 on May 11, 2009 at 11:04 PM

Liar liar pants-suit on fire.
Whoda thunk that we would get to recycle a Hillary oldie but a goodie…….

JeffinOrlando on May 11, 2009 at 11:06 PM

Can we put together of pelosi’s many blithering answers on this topic? if we replay it over and over outside her office would it constitute toture?

red131 on May 11, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Isn’t it interesting to note that if you drop a maggot on a hot skillet, you get basically the same reaction we observe here.

ElRonaldo on May 11, 2009 at 11:10 PM

if we replay it over and over outside her office would it constitute toture?

red131 on May 11, 2009 at 11:07 PM

For the people outside of her office – yes.

I’d rather tear my own eardrums out than be subjected to the repeated, semi-literate ramblings of the complete idiot Pelosi. Her words are toxic.

NoDonkey on May 11, 2009 at 11:15 PM

Pelosi’s contempt for the truth will eventually lead to her claiming that the reason she didn’t go to those briefings is because she had a yeast infection.

44Magnum on May 11, 2009 at 11:29 PM

Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that I wrote a column on torture for the University of Washington’s daily newspaper. Thought you might want to check it out.

http://dailyuw.com/collection/2009/5/12/left-right-and-center-dailys-columnists-discuss-ju/

nickj116 on May 11, 2009 at 11:45 PM

44Magnum on May 11, 2009 at 11:29 PM

*SHUDDER* It’s gonna take several beers and a blast of Def Leppard in the headphones to drive that thought out of my head.

infidel4life on May 12, 2009 at 12:03 AM

There’s medicine for that, isn’t there? LOL

ddrintn on May 11, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Two lead tablets, 108 grains, delivered at high velocity.

Chaz706 on May 12, 2009 at 12:05 AM

Palomino!

hillbillyjim on May 12, 2009 at 12:47 AM

What urgent business of state prevented her from carving out a bit of time to find out how apocalyptic jihadists were being treated by the country’s chief intelligence agency?

I’m sure she had important meetings to attend involving how to cram universal health care down our throats, roll back welfare reform, and otherwise propel federal spending to hardly-imaginable levels.

gryphon202 on May 12, 2009 at 12:50 AM

What do you call someone who continuously changes their story,becoming more unbelievable as they go…..a liar.

Pelosi’s latest meeting with her lawyer must not have gone to well if this is the best she can come up with.

“Oh,yea,after telling everybody that as ranking member of the intelligence committee I had:

.. no idea that “EIT’s” were being carried out,

..had no idea what an “EIT” was and didn’t ask apparently,

..thought these were methods that were “going” to be carried out even though all the documentation and testimony shows just the opposite of what I am saying,

..I am now going with “I objected,I just didn’t document it,sign on to any objections,and there is pretty much no record what-so-ever of my objections except my word and someone who I found who is going to help me cover my butt.

So now Pelosi is objecting to procedures she previously stated that she had no idea were being used.

She has already been caught in this botox faced lie:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/08/pelosi-criticized-over-interrogation-briefings/?pagemode=print

Democrats say the new information on the briefings supports the speaker’s contention that she was briefed just once and that the specific term waterboarding is not mentioned as part of the subject matter in that session while it is identified as part of briefings attended by others. However, the new report states that Ms. Pelosi was briefed on Sept. 4, 2002, on enhanced interrogation techniques “that had been employed” in contrast with her position that she was not told that any enhanced techniques were being used.

Looks like Nancy is a liar.

“We were not,I repeat,we were not told that waterboarding and any other of these other enhanced interrogation methods were used.”
Nancy Pelosi, April 23, 2009

Apparently,the CIA has more than enough proof that Pelosi
was briefed on all of these interrogation techniques and now she has to shift to some totally unprovable,ridiculous line of faux objections that the “leader” has not one bit of evidence exists or has any paper trail to back it up.

I guess Harmon is supposed to come out now and say,”Yea,I remember Nancy objecting,we just decided not to make a record of it”.
Because Nancy would not want to throw her weight and influence behind stopping these procedures,the smart thing to do was to stay in the shadows.

Marion Barry did a better job of lying than this San Francisco idiot does.

Baxter Greene on May 12, 2009 at 1:53 AM

San Fran Nan don’t need no prep H.
She don’t have hemorrhoids
God made her a perfect asshole.

dragondrop on May 12, 2009 at 2:57 AM

These people are coated in Teflon.

Remember, over 35,000,000 people voted for Carter in 1980 vs. around 44,000,000 for Reagan.

Even after a truly disastrous presidency not much less than 50% still voted for Carter. That’s amazing.

It shows that a huge segment of the population will always buy into the Liberal BS of lollipops, rainbows, unicorns and of course handouts and ‘government solutions’…no matter how bad things get.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 12, 2009 at 4:12 AM

The bizarro world of political hacks on both sides of the aisle is in full bloom. Pelosi is just one of its greatest creatures.
Randy

williars on May 12, 2009 at 5:01 AM

Anyone notice her nose is quite a bit bigger?

afotia on May 12, 2009 at 5:06 AM

How many lies does she get to tell before the MSM calls her on it? I crack myself up…she’s a democrap so I assume the answer is NEVER!

jwp1964 on May 12, 2009 at 6:00 AM

Nancy Pelosi wouldn’t know an “appropriate channel” if it bit her in the ass.

Or even if it were her own ass.

seanrobins on May 12, 2009 at 6:56 AM

Nancy’s new explanation is riiiiiidiccculoussss. Nancy was the putative shadow speaker of the house and ranking member of the intelligence committeee. She was the point person. Since when has Nancy thought about ‘appropriate channels?’ When the porkulus was rammed through the House, it was Nancy in the room with three people, where was her concern for ‘appropriate channels’ for the Appropriations Committee process? The fact is that Nancy was briefed, her staff were briefed. This briefing happened before the first anniversary of 9/11 when the conventional wisdom was that a second wave of attacks was to happen. The pressure was to see that we had all available information legitimately obtained, not some trumped up ‘torture’ objections. And I have lost all respect for Rep. Harman. She knew she agreed, her ‘authorization’ request was not because of any objection to the techniques, but to ensure the chain of command was being followed. Her punking out now is reprehensible.

eaglewingz08 on May 12, 2009 at 6:58 AM

Looks like Nancy is a liar.

Understatement of the millenium.

seanrobins on May 12, 2009 at 6:58 AM

What can one expect from a woman who injects her face with botulinum. In the same family of botulism…..those little creepers found a way into her brain.

Coastal Paradise on May 12, 2009 at 7:06 AM

For all their political dexterity, Pelosi and Obama are such transparent, amateurish liars. Their contempt for the electorate knows no bounds, although given their electoral success, they may have a point about the American electorate’s dimness.

EMD on May 12, 2009 at 7:30 AM

For all their political dexterity, Pelosi and Obama are such transparent, amateurish liars.

They are simply playing to their transparent and overwhelmingly simple-minded base.

seanrobins on May 12, 2009 at 7:40 AM

Boy, them dems can spin ANYTHING!

Spun & done! That should be their motto.

ErinF on May 12, 2009 at 7:43 AM

Stretch Pelosi is a highly skill politician…in other words….a liar.

RobCon on May 12, 2009 at 7:52 AM

This episode is entertaining becuse of her hypocrisy. It’s the other lies and half truths she tells 24/7 that bother me.

marklmail on May 12, 2009 at 8:10 AM

Does MoveOn care she’s lying? Nope.
Does Soros care she’s lying? Nope.
Does Media Matters care she’s lying? Nope.
Does she care she’s lying? If they don’t care, she doesn’t care either.

petefrt on May 12, 2009 at 8:16 AM

Another solution: Pelosi could have stayed out of it from the start. And, should she have been caught up in it anyway, told the truth. Why is it the truth is so difficult for most politicians, even those in the WH.

jeanie on May 12, 2009 at 8:38 AM

Nancy has no time for such unimportant issues like protesting alleged tortures, she’s way too busy with her daily botox treatment sessions. :(

poxoma on May 12, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Her stories keep changing. How could she today defend silence and letting beaurocreatic channels handle the EIT’s and then 1 week ago deny she knew of them?

seven on May 12, 2009 at 9:16 AM

Maybe all the liberals would agree to aborting all the terrorists. Nah, they save that kind of torture for the innocently unborn.

DanaSmiles on May 12, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Next the documents will show that Pelosi did the waterboarding, herself.

“I didn’t know it was waterboarding. I thought I was washing his face.”

Daggett on May 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM

There are just way too many stupid people out there.

bridgetown on May 12, 2009 at 9:29 AM

The person who is number three to lead the country, she has her own set of “codes” in the event of a major catastrophe, she was the highest ranking member on the most important security council, she was briefed for seven years by every major military leader in the U.S., every military leader answers her questions, takes her phone calls…and she says “she doesn’t know”, or “wanted to use the proper channels”…my God, this woman is a fool.
President…Vice President…Pelosi…that is the order of power in this country.
She can find out anything, anytime for any reason…

right2bright on May 12, 2009 at 9:44 AM

She needs to go.

Off topic, but talk about deception if it is true-
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/10972

Hawaii’s new Islam Day secretly honors Sept 11- misuse of Julian/Gregorian Calendars hides this fact.

journeyintothewhirlwind on May 12, 2009 at 9:49 AM

The damage is done. People now have their minds made up, and it will only serve to reinforce current opinion that the notion of a commission on torture is a very bad one.

They’ll all end up going down.

AnninCA on May 12, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Rush has a montage on his website of Her Ladyship trying to deny it. It is like listening to a segment from “Fawlty Towers”. Bu..bu.bb.umm..you have to….um..understand I ….these techniques were theoretical…drawn up by lawyers…who we understood would never use….I mean, everyone in the room knew…um I though it was understood…..that extraordinary techniques would never be used!

Comedy GOLD.

GunRunner on May 12, 2009 at 10:12 AM

If the terrorists who were Waterboarded didn’t use the “safe word” i.e. “Palamino”, is it Torture or Foreplay?

PappaMac on May 12, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Two lies were told.

1. Water boarding is torture. This is like calling a skinned knee and amputation.
2. I didn’t know. er I didn’t say anything out of respect for channels.

Wouldn’t it be better to just come clean and admit that water boarding, as used at Gitmo, is not torture?

Nope! Letting Bush off the hook is unacceptable.

The Rock on May 12, 2009 at 10:35 AM

who else but stupid, liberal, gay Kalifornians would vote this moron in office?

NRA Lifer on May 12, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Please, make it stop. I can handle lying, but I can’t handle bad lying. At least not this much of it.

Palamino! PALAMINO!!!

gridlock2 on May 12, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Pelosi didn’t want to make inappropriate objections to the Bush administration.

What’s so hard to believe?

Ok, I actually fell off my chair laughing at that.

hawksruleva on May 12, 2009 at 11:24 AM

who else but stupid, liberal, gay Kalifornians would vote this moron in office?

NRA Lifer on May 12, 2009 at 10:40 AM

I don’t think their sexual preference is what makes them stupid. I’m sure there are plenty of stupid, liberal, straight Kalifornians who voted this moron in office. Even some Catholics.

hawksruleva on May 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM

What urgent business of state prevented her from carving out a bit of time to find out how apocalyptic jihadists were being treated by the country’s chief intelligence agency?

Sittin’ on a dock in the bay
Watchin’ the tide roll away
Sittin’ on a dock in the bay
Wastin’ ti–ii-ime…

Steve Z on May 12, 2009 at 11:28 AM

This is at this point, only heresay, but shortly after Pelosi first raised a stink on this a few weeks ago, I was watching some interview. I never saw who was interviewed, so I don’t know if this was verified as fact, but the interviewee said Pelosi’s first remark after hearing about the water boarding was….”is that all?”

If she did indeed say that in response to the waterboarding, then she truly has no issues with it, and all of this is political, as always.

capejasmine on May 12, 2009 at 11:35 AM

I love the “nothing I could do” defense. Isn’t one of the main purposes of the Intelligence Committee oversight?

emz35 on May 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM

I don’t know what’s worse, Pelosi lying, or the Republicans supporting spying on Americans.

True_King on May 11, 2009 at 10:01 PM

What Americans?

Jaibones on May 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Back in the day, we would have tested her buoyancy and then dealt with her appropriately.

She turned me into a newt!

gregbert on May 11, 2009 at 10:28 PM

A witch!

Jaibones on May 12, 2009 at 12:57 PM

I just noticed that she and Michael Jackson must have the same plastic surgeon… They share the same nose….

CynicalOptimist on May 12, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Stupid: Pelosi didn’t object to waterboarding in order to respect “appropriate” channels

Let’s just leave it at that and call it a day on the sorry cow…MMMkay!!

BigWyo on May 12, 2009 at 9:30 PM

how much time and energy is this two bit POS for a president going to use up trying to nail President George W Bush.

cando333 on May 12, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Nancy keeps spinning her web of lies. “Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.”

redridinghood on May 12, 2009 at 10:36 PM

…a confidant of the San Francisco Democrat said Monday

Some confidant. Now she has other people trying to cover up her lies. That’s so Bill Clinton.

Geronimo on May 13, 2009 at 12:16 AM

Just read that Maryland Demi Hoyer wants an investigation to determine who was briefed. Watch out Nan he wants some PAYBACK.

faol on May 13, 2009 at 10:28 AM

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