Cheney: The GOP’s better off with Rush Limbaugh than Colin Powell

posted at 8:36 pm on May 10, 2009 by Allahpundit

Via Greg Hengler at Townhall. It’s superficially surreal to watch a former VP side against his own Secretary of State, especially given Powell’s public approval rating vis-a-vis Limbaugh’s, but what’s Cheney supposed to say here realistically? That he thinks a guy who voted for Obama and has been known to muse that “Americans are looking for more government in their life, not less” is a superior spokesman for a conservative party? This is like asking a lefty blogger if the Democrats are better off with Keith Olbermann or McCain-lovin’ maverick Joe Lieberman. Sure, Liebs is the more impressive person, but which one’s closer to the “progressive” ideal?

Even so, the left loves this soundbite for the sweet, sweet identity politics it lets them play. As one of them put it to me today on Twitter, “Cheney prefers a fat white drug addict to an African-American war hero!” Of course, they themselves preferred a drug user to a war hero in last year’s election, for the quite logical reason that they thought his policies were better. Funny how that’s not so logical to them in Cheney’s case.

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Red State State of Mind on May 10, 2009 at 9:41 PM

She got the hammer by Ed on the “Iranian Boat” thread two weeks ago.

kingsjester on May 10, 2009 at 9:43 PM

“Loxodonta on May 10, 2009 at 9:42 PM”

HEH

Buckaroo on May 10, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Where did getalife go?

Red State State of Mind on May 10, 2009 at 9:41 PM

C’mon, don’t ruin Mother’s Day for me.

College Prof on May 10, 2009 at 9:43 PM

J.C. Watts, a former Oklahoma congressman who once was part of the GOP House leadership, said he’s thinking of voting for Obama. Watts said he’s still a Republican, but he criticizes his party for neglecting the black community. Black Republicans, he said, have to concede that while they might not agree with Democrats on issues, at least that party reaches out to them.

“And Obama highlights that even more,” Watts said, adding that he expects Obama to take on issues such as poverty and urban policy. “Republicans often seem indifferent to those things.”

College Prof,

That’s from June of last year. I don’t know what decision Mr. Watts finally made. However, the fact that he would publicly consider voting for Obama made me question whether his choosing conservatism was real or whether it was opportunistic considering that he’s from Oklahoma.

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 9:45 PM

God, I wish Cheney didn’t have the heart problems. It would be a big help to our country if he could be president.

cjs1943 on May 10, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Er, what if I’m not a big fan of Rush Limbaugh or Colin Powell? Do I have 2 choose between the two of them?

terryannonline on May 10, 2009 at 9:46 PM

It’s superficially surreal to watch a former VP side against his own Secretary of State…

Allahpundit

If your conclusion makes no sense, better check your premises. I find it hard to believe that Powell was ever “Cheney’s own Secretary of State”. Powell was someone foisted on Cheney from the Bush 41 legacy RINOs that were advising W.

And where does this “war hero” bullshit come from? What war…Vietnam? Just suiting up in a time of war is heroic to me, but I don’t think the left agrees. Maybe “hero” doesn’t mean what they think it means.

Jaibones on May 10, 2009 at 9:46 PM

I choose to support good ideas, no matter where they come from.

JohnJ on May 10, 2009 at 9:47 PM

about rush’s addiction(s): as someone who quit smoking exactly 2 mos ago, i don’t begrudge him. they were legal meds & he manned up & went to rehab.

He “manned up” after the National Enquirer reported that his housekeeper was supplying drugs for him.

YYZ on May 10, 2009 at 9:47 PM

I choose to support good ideas, no matter where they come from.

JohnJ on May 10, 2009 at 9:47 PM

But some people seem to be full of good ideas while others are devoid of them.

progressoverpeace on May 10, 2009 at 9:47 PM

CHENEY!!!
I love this guy. I wish he was the president rather than President Bush. I like W., but he was succumbed to much of the democrat demands. Cheney would have treated the democrats like he treated Leahy. Now that is what I like!

jencab on May 10, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Well, one of your top links has some WaPo douche telling how the GOP should emulate the Tories…or then we have your idiot girlfriend, who’s been a committed Republican for all about a year telling them what to do. It’s a wonder the conservative base is still even there. But hey, just throw them under the bus, by all means.

StevefromMKE on May 10, 2009 at 9:48 PM

How soon we forget that J.C. Watts supported Obama also.

nelsonknows on May 10, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Dick Cheney is a great American (not in the Hannity sense). Vice President Cheney helped defend our country and I will be forever grateful for his dedication and service. And yes, I would take Rush over General Powell as a political leader any day. But don’t get me wrong, I am grateful for General Powell’s service as well. I just don’t agree with his politics.

Zorro on May 10, 2009 at 9:49 PM

baldilocks~ Watts was a GOP Congressman from Oklahoma several years ago, and his point is taken about the outreach to the black community. We have to be willing to admit where we fall short and do something about it. However, he was recently on Hannity’s show (I think it was Hannity, but I won’t swear to it) and expressed that he is still a Republican and does not back Obama’s policies.

College Prof on May 10, 2009 at 9:50 PM

terryannonline on May 10, 2009 at 9:46 PM

You seem easily confused.

AUINSC on May 10, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Cheney’s point was obvious, Powell had already left the party.

In truth Powell was a Democrat and then a Republican and now I am not sure what he is. I am not sure he knows himself.

Terrye on May 10, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Banned by Ed.

An adult was in charge.

Loxodonta on May 10, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Thanks for the info…

She got the hammer by Ed on the “Iranian Boat” thread two weeks ago.

kingsjester on May 10, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Any chance she came back in a new form?

Red State State of Mind on May 10, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Yeah, it’s called Christianity.

I’ve heard of it.

He has a Christian worldview and was raised by people who instilled a sense of hard work and values in him. His dad made him work for every dime, forcing him to be creative and resourceful in coming up with ways to earn money.

College Prof on May 10, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Since Christianity is his basis for morality, what philosophy makes up is his political foundation?

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 9:51 PM

I served under Powell who was nothing but a affirmative action General and quite the joke to most of us officers that actually served in combat.

nelsonknows on May 10, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Would love to continue this discussion, but the hubby wants to take our nightly power walk. We’re trying to keep in shape so that when we get socialized medicine, we won’t need a doctor (since we won’t be able to get one, anyway). Some good food for thought on this thread, and I’m really glad hasnolife is not around to spoil it.

College Prof on May 10, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Jaibones:

I remember once hearing Powell talking to some foreigners at the UN and when the intent of the United States was questioned, he said that the United States had sent young people off to fight and die all over the world and all we ever asked in return was a place to bury our dead. I always appreciated that.

I was disappointed in him when he endorsed Obama, but he was not all bad.

Terrye on May 10, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Er, what if I’m not a big fan of Rush Limbaugh or Colin Powell? Do I have 2 choose between the two of them?

terryannonline on May 10, 2009 at 9:46 PM

Try actually listening to Rush for a few weeks. Literally tune his show in and listen to it. Don’t look for the Media Matters clips or any other snipped excerpts.

Listen to the show for awhile, and I think you’ll probably have a very easy choice.

Kensington on May 10, 2009 at 9:55 PM

baldilocks~ Watts was a GOP Congressman from Oklahoma several years ago,

It shold be obvious that I know who he is.

and his point is taken about the outreach to the black community.

No his point is not taken. Americans who are black don’t need some separate-but-equal out program.

We have to be willing to admit where we fall short and do something about it.

How have “we” fallen short?

However, he was recently on Hannity’s show (I think it was Hannity, but I won’t swear to it) and expressed that he is still a Republican and does not back Obama’s policies.

College Prof on May 10, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Hmmm. That doesn’t answer the question of whether or not Mr. Watts voted for President Obama.

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 9:55 PM

I’ve always wanted Cheney to be President, but I have a better chance at winning an election than Dick.

lavell12 on May 10, 2009 at 9:55 PM

separate-but-equal out program=separate-but-equal outreach program.

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM

And all I need to know about the political skills of Powell is that he KNEW Richard Armitage leaked Valerie Plame’s name, but he chose to keep Bush & Cheney twisting in the wind.

So he can go ____ his _____ with his _____ stuffed so far up his _____.

StevefromMKE on May 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM

Since Christianity is his basis for morality, what philosophy makes up is his political foundation?

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Not sure what you’re looking for here. A Christian worldview covers all eventualities. He believes in the value of hard work, and his family, though poor, never took welfare. He puts God and his family above partisan politics, but when he was in Washington, he proposed and voted for common sense legislation. From which philosophy would you prefer he draw?

Gotta go walk with the hubby, but I’ll try to pick up this thread when I get back. Love ya.

College Prof on May 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM

baldilocks~ seems like you’re itching for a fight, but I’m not biting. See ya.

College Prof on May 10, 2009 at 9:58 PM

And all I need to know about the political skills of Powell is that he KNEW Richard Armitage leaked Valerie Plame’s name, but he chose to keep Bush & Cheney twisting in the wind.

StevefromMKE on May 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM

Charming, no? One would think that a general would know something about fidelity. But I’m becoming less and less surprised at how many of our “betters” base their principles on sand.

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 9:59 PM

No his point is not taken. Americans who are black don’t need some separate-but-equal out program.

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 9:55 PM

Exactly. Conservative principles are based on individuals, not groups. All conservativism requires is self-confidence and a desire for individual freedom – both to succeed and to fail on ones own merits.

Conservative “outreach” to the black community should include nothing more than going into the community and detailing the same exact conservativism that applies to everyone.

progressoverpeace on May 10, 2009 at 10:00 PM

i wondered what baldi could possibly have against j.c., and she [as always] expertly lays out the case …

/he needs to refute the June statement clearly — or he should simply continue to enjoy life in the private sector [!!]

Buckaroo on May 10, 2009 at 10:01 PM

baldilocks~ seems like you’re itching for a fight, but I’m not biting. See ya.

College Prof on May 10, 2009 at 9:58 PM

What are you talking about?

I’ll never understand why people post ideas/arguments/etc. on blogs then accuse others of “itching for a fight” when others grant them what they appear to want.

Your college classes must be frightfully boring, Professor.

::::others: shhhh!!:::

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 10:02 PM

baldilocks~ seems like you’re itching for a fight, but I’m not biting. See ya.

College Prof on May 10, 2009 at 9:58 PM

What are you talking about?

I’ll never understand why people post ideas/arguments/etc. on blogs then accuse others of “itching for a fight” when others grant them what they appear to want.

Your college classes must be frightfully boring, Professor.

::::others: shhhh!!:::

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 10:03 PM

baldilocks~ seems like you’re itching for a fight, but I’m not biting. See ya.

College Prof on May 10, 2009 at 9:58 PM

What are you talking about?

I’ll never understand why people post ideas/arguments/etc. on blogs then accuse others of “itching for a fight” when others grant them what they appear to want.

Your college classes must be frightfully boring, Professor.

::::others: shhhh!!:::

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 10:04 PM

I agree with Dick Cheney, even though I have a few disagreements with Rush. As for Powell, he is gone from the GOP, whether he publicly acknowledges it or not.

Powell has three strikes of betrayal against him. Strike one was Powell not telling Bush and Cheney that Armitage was the one who told Bob Novack about Plame, but rather left Bush and Cheney to be pillioried in the press. Strike two was endorsing Obama over his “friend” John McCain and thus fed the delusion that Obama could be a competent Commander in Chief. Strike three was telling Republicans to support more Government and taxes, which is contrary to basic GOP principles. “You’re out, Powell.”

Phil Byler on May 10, 2009 at 10:09 PM

baldilocks- seems like you’re itching for a fight, but I’m not biting. See ya.

College Prof on May 10, 2009 at 9:58 PM

What are you talking about?

I’ll never understand why people post ideas/arguments/etc. on blogs then accuse others of “itching for a fight” when others grant them what they appear to want.

Your college classes must be frightfully boring, Professor.

(others: shhhh!!)

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Petreaus > Powell

lavell12 on May 10, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Sorry for the duplicates.

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 10:12 PM

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 10:12 PM

Happens to all of us. For some reason, this page stayed up while the home page of the site was completely down.

progressoverpeace on May 10, 2009 at 10:14 PM

This is like asking a lefty blogger if the Democrats are better off with Keith Olbermann or McCain-lovin’ maverick Joe Lieberman. Sure, Liebs is the more impressive person, but which one’s closer to the “progressive” ideal?

No, it’s not. This would be implying that Powell is the more impressive person. That is not true.

Upstater85 on May 10, 2009 at 10:17 PM

“baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 9:45 PM”

Alan Keyes made a very similar statement back in the 2000 primaries, and I think there’s a point to it. The problem Keyes and now Watts are hilighting is not how these issues should be addressed, but that they should be addressed.

Keyes’ statement was: “If Republicans want to attract black voters, maybe once in a while they should talk about issues that interest black voters.”

Watts did not say, or even imply, that he thought that Obama had the right solutions to these issues, but he did point out that issues like “urban policy” are far too often glossed over by Republicans, with statements like Rush Limbaugh makes, such as “they’ve had Democrat mayors and city councils for 50 years, and they’re still failing!” rather than addressing problems and solutions like no one on the Republican side since the late Jack Kemp did.

It’s an only semi-valid criticism. When conservatives, or Republicans, make concrete proposals, they are ignored, dismissed, or ridiculed by the press and the “urban leadership,” so it’s a difficult battle to take on. But it’s one that can’t be ignored, nonetheless.

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Not sure what you’re looking for here.

College Prof on May 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM

I’m looking for a philosophy on which Mr. Watts might base his politics. Federalism, for example.

See you when you get back. Hopefully you will have given these ideas further thought.

About Mr. Watts: he may be a fine human being, but that doesn’t make him a good representative of conservatism in American politics. He race is irrelevant.

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM

He race= His race

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 10:23 PM

urban policy”
“they’ve had Democrat mayors and city councils for 50 years, and they’re still failing!”
notropis on May 10, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Urban policy is the responsibility of Mayors and City Councils not Washington. Maybe if they changed their local government they could blame the GOP when things don’t improve.

thomasaur on May 10, 2009 at 10:23 PM

About Mr. Watts: he may be a fine human being, but that doesn’t make him a good representative of conservatism in American politics. He race is irrelevant.

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM

Quit making me love you, baldilocks! I’m engaged to to another woman!

AUINSC on May 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Urban policy is the responsibility of Mayors and City Councils not Washington. Maybe if they changed their local government they could blame the GOP when things don’t improve.

thomasaur on May 10, 2009 at 10:23 PM

It would be nice to see more members of the GOP start developing policies for their local communities, instead of going with the national consensus…

Upstater85 on May 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM

I thought by now there would be a thread on Gingrich’s Eric Holder/Nancy Pelosi comments…

Upstater85 on May 10, 2009 at 10:30 PM

He “manned up” after the National Enquirer reported that his housekeeper was supplying drugs for him.

YYZ on May 10, 2009 at 9:47 PM

Citing the National Enquirer as a credible source insults our intelligence, kid.

And that was tha argument from your side, after the rag exposed Jean Edwards’ cheating on his dying wife.

Del Dolemonte on May 10, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Keyes’ statement was: “If Republicans want to attract black voters, maybe once in a while they should talk about issues that interest black voters.”

Did he give an example of an issue that would be of interest to black voters exclusively–something which, in being addressed, wouldn’t dilute the philosophy of conservatism?

rather than addressing problems and solutions like no one on the Republican side since the late Jack Kemp did

I’m not seeing how Jack Kemp was different than any other conservative in this respect.

It’s an only semi-valid criticism. When conservatives, or Republicans, make concrete proposals, they are ignored, dismissed, or ridiculed by the press and the “urban leadership,” so it’s a difficult battle to take on. But it’s one that can’t be ignored, nonetheless.

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 10:17 PM

The way it should be addressed is by counteracting underlying assumptions. (Long list. What do you mean by “urban policy?”)

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 10:32 PM

Urban policy is the responsibility of Mayors and City Councils not Washington.

No. Perhaps if you switched the verb to “should be,” it would be true. Just as it would be true to say that Agricultural policy should not be the responsibility of Washington, or Health policy should not be the responsibility of Washington, or Education policy should not be the responsibility of Washington.

But that’s politically irrelevant. We have an entire Cabinet Level Department of Housing and Urban Development (as we do Agriculture, HHS and Education.) That’s why Jack Kemp, who could have had one of a half-dozen Cabinet posts in the Reagan Administration, asked for that particular one.

And in the current political reality, there are many things the Federal Government can do, from adjusting tax policies, to intelligently funding urban initiatives, to encouraging responsible fatherhood, to, heck, I don’t know, community policing and midnight basketball. (I keed.)

But the problems are real and serious, and the solutions demand a response from political candidates that goes beyond, “You made your bed; now lie in it,” because the failures will be paid for by all of us.

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 10:35 PM

thomasaur on May 10, 2009 at 10:23 PM

I agree 100%. The problem is that liberals envisage a super-state (instead of a union of states) where the federal government is the only “real” government. It’s a much simpler (and incorrect model of our nation) and, unfortunately, many conservatives get dragged into that errant path of arguing for the super-state (though a different sort of super-state) when we have different policies for each level of governance. This issue is confused by many, especially when they try to portray lefta nd right views as mirror images of each other when, in fact, the differences are stark and just incomparable in many cases.

progressoverpeace on May 10, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Citing the National Enquirer as a credible source insults our intelligence, kid.

And that was tha argument from your side, after the rag exposed Jean Edwards’ cheating on his dying wife.

Del Dolemonte on May 10, 2009 at 10:30 PM

BURN!

Speaking of the Edwards, I wonder how the books are selling…

Upstater85 on May 10, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Citing the National Enquirer as a credible source insults our intelligence, kid.

And that was tha argument from your side, after the rag exposed Jean Edwards’ cheating on his dying wife.

Del Dolemonte on May 10, 2009 at 10:30 PM

“Jean Edwards” Sacre Blau!

Citing the National Enquirer as a credible source insults our intelligence, kid.

Yes, very insulting to your intelligence…until Edwards himself admitted they were right…then it became more “complicated”, no?

AUINSC on May 10, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Yes, very insulting to your intelligence…until Edwards himself admitted they were right…then it became more “complicated”, no?

AUINSC on May 10, 2009 at 10:43 PM

It would appear Edwards is ready for Springer!

Upstater85 on May 10, 2009 at 10:44 PM

And in the current political reality, there are many things the Federal Government can do, from adjusting tax policies, to intelligently funding urban initiatives, to encouraging responsible fatherhood, to, heck, I don’t know, community policing and midnight basketball. (I keed.)

But the problems are real and serious, and the solutions demand a response from political candidates that goes beyond, “You made your bed; now lie in it,” because the failures will be paid for by all of us.

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 10:35 PM

Have you ever heard of Ted Hayes? He’s a homeless advocate here in LA and a staunch conservative. He ran against Maxine Waters last year and got about 12 votes (one of them mine).

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 10:47 PM

“Jean Edwards” Sacre Blau!

Of course, I meant to type “Sacre Bleu”, but I don’t have a French keyboard. Forgive me.

AUINSC on May 10, 2009 at 10:47 PM

“Did he give an example of an issue that would be of interest to black voters exclusively–something which, in being addressed, wouldn’t dilute the philosophy of conservatism?”

As you might expect from Keyes, yes, several (although you’ve added the adverb “exclusively.”) He mentioned a stronger emphasis on school choice, promoting fatherhood education and, I believe, education on Fetal Alcohol Syndrome — although we’re going back most of a decade, here, so I’m much vaguer than Keyes was.

“I’m not seeing how Jack Kemp was different than any other conservative in this respect.”

You might want to review his initiatives while at HUD. He introduced and almost single-handedly championed urban enterprise zones and other tax-based initiatives to improve legal entrepreneurism in the inner cities, worked with charter and magnet schools — two ideas brand-new at the time, tightening absentee-landlord responsibilities for those landlords who received section 8 financing — many other issues now often considered mainstream conservative, but mostly ignored before Kemp.

“Urban policy,” is policy that addresses primarily urban concerns, just as “agricultural policy” addresses agricultural concerns. While many of these things, in a truly limited-government world, might not be Federal concerns, the fact is that they now are, and have been for most of a century, and are likely to continue to be for some long time into the future. So we need to identify with specific policy issues, perhaps going back to Gingrich’s “block grant” idea of devolving Federal Authority before de-funding it (“You folks know what’s best for your community far better than Washington does” sells as well in Compton, CA as it does in Crookston, MN.,” especially if we tailor it with specific urban f’rinstances.)

I think it’s a matter of being willing and able to address specifics, without pandering to a laundry list of “needs.”

Honestly, I don’t really know. But the fact is, whatever we’re doing now, ain’t working very well, and there’s no good reason why we shouldn’t be able to find approaches that do work.

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 10:51 PM

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 10:51 PM

The point is that “urban policy” should not be part of any national agenda for conservatives, as the federal government has no business mucking around in the cities. This is why national conservative candidates should not really address the issue in the same way that the liberals do.

As to HUD, the conservative position for it should be as with Education – it doesn’t belong at the federal level. Local conservative groups can go to urban areas and discuss their local positions, but it is out of place to bring it into the federal discussion.

progressoverpeace on May 10, 2009 at 10:57 PM

Citing the National Enquirer as a credible source insults our intelligence, kid.

I’m not citing the Enquirer as an accurate source. All I’m saying is that Rush went into rehab after the Enquirer published their story and Drudge linked to it.

YYZ on May 10, 2009 at 10:58 PM

“Have you ever heard of Ted Hayes? ”

I think I’d heard the name before, but I remembered nothing. Thanks for the link. I’ll definitely learn more about him.

But, evidently, although your vote didn’t win him the election, it did help make him the “cost-effective” champion!

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 10:59 PM

I’m not citing the Enquirer as an accurate source. All I’m saying is that Rush went into rehab after the Enquirer published their story and Drudge linked to it.

YYZ on May 10, 2009 at 10:58 PM

You and “Del Dolemonte” need to take a time-out and get your talking points straightened out…we can’t have blue-on-blue fights here…this is a conservative blog.

AUINSC on May 10, 2009 at 11:00 PM

“address the issue in the same way that the liberals do.”

I don’t think I advocated them addressing it in the same way liberals do.

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 11:00 PM

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 10:51 PM

Local governments are still responsible for developing plans to utilize the monies from Washington and the Dems that control the perpetualy failing cities are responsible for that. Throwing more money at a problem until it can be proven that the funds that are being given are being used wisely is insanity.

thomasaur on May 10, 2009 at 11:01 PM

I don’t think I advocated them addressing it in the same way liberals do.

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 11:00 PM

I didn’t mean to imply that. Bad wording on my part. I meant it in terms of scale – i.e. national candidates addressing state and local issues. For the libs, the federal government should decide everything. For us, different decisions take place at different levels. (I know you know this. I just wanted to explain what I meant more explicitly).

There are issues taht all conservatives can agree on for localities, as you mentioned with school vouchers, but even those don’t belong in Washington and all conservatives should call for the dismantling of the department of education in Washington.

progressoverpeace on May 10, 2009 at 11:05 PM

“Local governments are still responsible for developing plans to utilize the monies from Washington “

Precisely, and this is why Gingrich’s policies of devolvement are superior to Bush’s policies of Federal accountability. The Feds will never be able to fix things, but as long as local politicians can hide behind Federal bureaucrats, there will be no local accountability.

When the Federal government can say, simply, “Here is exactly how much we gave your city. If you want to know what they did with it, ask them,” it’s much harder for the local authorities to pass the buck. This, at least, is the theory behind “new federalism.”

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 11:11 PM

all conservatives should call for the dismantling of the department of education in Washington.

progressoverpeace on May 10, 2009 at 11:05 PM

+1000000000000…0000000

Upstater85 on May 10, 2009 at 11:11 PM

I would step back and add, though, that conservatives at the federal level do have the opportunity to speak about some urban issues, appropriately, with respect to Washington DC.

progressoverpeace on May 10, 2009 at 11:11 PM

Just getting around to watching it on CBS’ site….Cheney is a leader. As unprentious as it gets…And he’s right on this issue…Hopefully he keeps speaking out.

therightwinger on May 10, 2009 at 11:13 PM

It’s superficially surreal to watch a former VP side against his own Secretary of State, especially given Powell’s public approval rating vis-a-vis Limbaugh’s, but what’s Cheney supposed to say here realistically?

That he likes Rush and he’s closer to him politically. Although he thinks Powell should also be welcome in the GOP.

radiofreevillage on May 10, 2009 at 11:13 PM

Upstater85 on May 10, 2009 at 11:11 PM

Thanks. That rating value makes me feel like a program from the Porkulus :)

progressoverpeace on May 10, 2009 at 11:14 PM

*unpretentious.

therightwinger on May 10, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Is Powell looking at a run on the Republican ticket?

Is he just pissed he shared the blame from the Communists for invading Iraq and can’t handle it? Seems like he’s desperately trying to distance himself (from something he should be proud for having been involved with).

Is he doing his best to prop up our first affirmative action president by attacking the preceding administration?

All the above?

Honestly, I can’t figure out what his game is.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 10, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Thanks. That rating value makes me feel like a program from the Porkulus :)

progressoverpeace on May 10, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Aww… didn’t mean to offend you. I promise I will fly Scare Force One by your house if that would cheer you up…

Upstater85 on May 10, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Is Powell looking at a run on the Republican ticket?

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 10, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Most likely not… He’s shooting more to be head toilet scrubber for Obama.

Upstater85 on May 10, 2009 at 11:18 PM

“all conservatives should call for the dismantling of the department of education in Washington.”

Yes, eventually. But remember that the Department was less than 4 years old, and still fairly small and innocuous, when Reagan promised, as one of his top priorities, to dismantle it, and see how far that went. How much more difficult now, after 25 more years and hundreds of billions more in financing, and the whole “NCLB” thing.

When you had a supposedly conservative president demanding national testing and accountability, and being cheered by his party, it’s gone way too far. Although solutions seem simple when we’re posting on a blog, the implementation won’t be — and the selling will be harder still.

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 11:19 PM

cjs1943 on May 10, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Cheney said long ago that his only desire was to serve as VP under Bush. That being said, in some alternate universe perhaps, we should be looking at the first 100+ days of the Cheney Presidency. I know I for one would sleep better at night.

long_cat on May 10, 2009 at 11:23 PM

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 10:51 PM

Thanks for the education about Jack Kemp.

Re: Ted Hayes and cost-effective champion,

I thought that was cute also. :)

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 11:26 PM

God, I wish Cheney didn’t have the heart problems. It would be a big help to our country if he could be president.

cjs1943 on May 10, 2009 at 9:45 PM

ahhh.. you left off the /sarcasm .. or at least I hope you did. If not, then read. Cheney helped steer the GOP and our country off into the weeds.

popularpeoplesfront on May 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM

Oh, baldilocks:

If you’re still hanging around. Here’s a book you should think about getting. I have to admit, I haven’t read it, but it comes highly recommended, and I know the author. He reminds me a bit of your Ted Hayes:

Liberal Racism Creates the Black Conservative:
Issues and New Perspectives
by Lucky Rosenbloom

I’ll probably e-mail it to you, as well. From my experience, Lucky thinks better than he speaks, and speaks better than he writes, so I’m not sure how the book will come off, but a good friend of mine who’s a conservative political science professor says it’s good, so I don’t mind pushing it, sight unseen.

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 11:29 PM

popularpeoplesfront on May 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM

Hi Pat!

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 11:30 PM

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 11:29 PM

I’m back and forth, cooking buffalo/turkey hamburgers. Thanks. Will check it out.

baldilocks on May 10, 2009 at 11:31 PM

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 11:19 PM

I agree. Part of the problem, with education specifically, is that many conservatives are treated like dingbats and lunatics if they call for eradicating the Dept of Ed. That sort of thinking needs to change among us, ourselves, to defend people proposing this.

I just wanted to add one last thing about conservative ideas for state/local governance – while we might be able to agree on many approaches for these issues, I think that the “conservative” position should still be that we don’t to force all states to do everything the same and that we rely on the competition between states to work best for finding solutions to these local issues. At least that’s how I approach it.

progressoverpeace on May 10, 2009 at 11:31 PM

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 11:19 PM

And your point about NCLB and national education standards is right on the money. Most conservatives I knew were dead-set against it, though, from the start.

progressoverpeace on May 10, 2009 at 11:34 PM

“I think that the “conservative” position should still be that we don’t to force all states to do everything the same and that we rely on the competition between states to work best for finding solutions to these local issues.”

I agree, 100%. That’s why, even though my state (Minnesota) is only just slightly to the right of Sweden, I don’t want to push the “our state is too liberal” meme, before people come to understand that there’s nothing in our Federal Constitution that should tell a state how conservative or liberal it should be.

Unfortunately, our state constitution is what you might expect for Minnesota, so it’s not a question of “constitutionality” at the state level, it just boils down to “smart” v. “stupid.”

So, if it’s our job to demonstrate to the rest of the nation: “stupid,” well, then, we’ve done something useful, anyhow.

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 11:36 PM

(And we really didn’t need to add the Franken/Coleman election to our object lesson; we’d already done enough….)

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 11:40 PM

So, if it’s our job to demonstrate to the rest of the nation: “stupid,” well, then, we’ve done something useful, anyhow.

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 11:36 PM

Heh. And Franken would seal the deal on that!

But, people will vote, in the end, with their feet, as it should be.

And one would think that California would serve a grand warning to the rest of the nation along those lines, too. We’ll see. The point of no return for this nation is rapidly approaching.

progressoverpeace on May 10, 2009 at 11:40 PM

notropis on May 10, 2009 at 11:40 PM

Like minds.

progressoverpeace on May 10, 2009 at 11:41 PM

Cheney is the light of truth in this interview…He speaks
with a good authority and credibility Obama and the Libs will
never have. Good to hear from a voice of reason…. VP Cheney.
Hooorahhh!

dec5 on May 10, 2009 at 11:49 PM

The GOP is way better off with Cheney than with Powell, too. Powell made that choice, though. Good riddance.

littleguy on May 11, 2009 at 12:11 AM

Powell made that choice, though.

littleguy on May 11, 2009 at 12:11 AM

Jesus, Mary, Joseph! Someone else believes people are responsible for their own choices.

Glad to know you, neighbor. Beer is in the fridge.

Limerick on May 11, 2009 at 12:39 AM

Then, demonstrate how the left’s policies make no economic sense at all, especially the legacy spending and debt burden to our children’s children’s children (tip of the hat to the Moody Blues).

College Prof on May 10, 2009 at 9:30 PM

I’m sorry but I don’t understand the tip of the hat. Is it because the Moody Blues sings of this burden or because they demonstrate it? I only know of their “Nights in white satin.”

shick on May 11, 2009 at 12:50 AM

And “Tuesday Afternoon”

shick on May 11, 2009 at 1:03 AM

“Days of Future Passed”?

progressoverpeace on May 11, 2009 at 1:07 AM

“shick on May 11, 2009 at 12:50 AM”

To our Children’s Children’s Children.

notropis on May 11, 2009 at 1:47 AM

“Cheney prefers a fat white drug addict to an African-American war hero!”

Looks like Powell becomes the fourth veteran that Democrats mention as deserving respect because of their military service along with traitors Kerry, Murtha and Rev.Wright. All other veterans they categorize as terrorists.

Buddahpundit on May 11, 2009 at 1:56 AM

To our resident liberal friends or Rush Limbaugh critics:

Why is a liberal who was addicted to pain killers a heroic person who valiantly overcame a terrible illness while a conservative who was addicted to pain killers a drug addict ad infinitum. Such villainy.

These types of character attacks make the discussion almost impossible. I am a fan of Rush Limbaugh but don’t need to defend him. He’s a big boy and can do it himself. I am just curious if you feel that these types of attacks are as vile as I do.

Mormon Doc on May 11, 2009 at 2:08 AM

Of course, they themselves preferred a drug user to a war hero in last year’s election, for the quite logical reason that they thought his policies were better. Funny how that’s not so logical to them in Cheney’s case.

Well said.

Hawkins1701 on May 11, 2009 at 2:21 AM

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