More confirmation that Pelosi lied

posted at 10:05 am on May 9, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Nancy Pelosi’s attempt to evade responsibility for her role in approving the use of waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques took another hit today in the Washington Post — and this time the fire comes from her side of the aisle.  Pete Hoekstra upped the ante as well, demanding the release of precise minutes of Congressional briefings, and Leon Panetta has promised to make them available, at least to Capitol Hill:

A top aide to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi attended a CIA briefing in early 2003 in which it was made clear that waterboarding and other harsh techniques were being used in the interrogation of an alleged al-Qaeda operative, according to documents the CIA released to Congress on Thursday.

Pelosi has insisted that she was not directly briefed by Bush administration officials that the practice was being actively employed. But Michael Sheehy, a top Pelosi aide, was present for a classified briefing that included Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.), then the ranking minority member of the House intelligence committee, at which agency officials discussed the use of waterboarding on terrorism suspect Abu Zubaida.

A Democratic source acknowledged yesterday that it is almost certain that Pelosi would have learned about the use of waterboarding from Sheehy. Pelosi herself acknowledged in a December 2007 statement that she was aware that Harman had learned of the waterboarding and had objected in a letter to the CIA’s top counsel.

Pelosi’s attempt to weasel onto Harman’s objection fails when one looks at the briefing notes.  Both Pelosi and Sheehy attended a briefing on September 4, 2002, five months before Harman attended her first briefing.  That 9/02 briefing specifically covered EITs and their use on Abu Zubaydah.  Harman raised her objection in 2003, not in 2002, as she had yet to attend one of the EIT briefings.

Hoekstra demanded the release of more documents, apparently already aware of their contents:

Hoekstra, who requested the history of agency briefings of members of Congress, is also seeking notes made by the CIA during each briefing, documents that he said last week include “a very precise accounting of the substance of each briefing.” He said those memos would detail “not only the specific information provided, but also the degree of bipartisan consensus that existed with respect to the programs in question.”

In a letter to Hoekstra, CIA Director Leon Panetta said the classified memos describing what was said at each briefing would be available at CIA headquarters for review by congressional staff, according to an agency official.

That is no longer sufficient.  Since Eric Holder and Barack Obama have opened the possibility of legal action against people in the loop on waterboarding and other techniques, we have seen competing leaks that give small slices of the overall picture.  The act of releasing the OLC memos, while not a leak, was another politically selective act intended to give only a small part of the picture for the administration’s purposes.  We need to see all of the documentation, with only the most sensitive information redacted, in order to know exactly what was done, who ordered it, who approved it, and who knew about it — and what we discovered as a result of it.

Only by getting all of the information on the table can we have an informed, rational discussion about methods, values, and responsibilities.  Obama opened Pandora’s Box, and now we need to let it all escape in order to get the full picture.  The drip-drip-drip leaks and releases are akin to a Chinese water torture on rational discussion of this topic, irony definitely intended.

Update (AP): The left’s newest excuse for Pelosi, in case you’re wondering, is that the descriptions of the briefings in the DNI report might not be accurate. Their source? Leon Panetta, the new, er, Democratic head of the CIA:

Ms. Pelosi also noted that Leon E. Panetta, the director of the C.I.A., had warned lawmakers that the descriptions of briefings provided in the new report were based on notes and recollections of C.I.A. officers. “In the end, you and the committee will have to determine whether this information is an accurate summary of what actually happened,” Mr. Panetta wrote to several members of Congress.

They could always ask Porter Goss — after all, he was there — but I digress. This 11th-hour attempt by Panetta to save Pelosi’s ass by discrediting his own officers would have been laughed at by the nutroots had the parties been reversed, but instead I saw bloggers like Greg Sargent pointing to it hopefully yesterday afternoon. Why, oh why, I wonder, would they be so quick to take this seriously when they’re supposedly so keen to know the truth about who knew what? Funny how Democrats get the benefit of the doubt.


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progressoverpeace on May 9, 2009 at 1:42 PM

OH YEA, I almost forgot about that, she’s a traitor too!

scalleywag on May 9, 2009 at 1:45 PM

If trees falls in a forest and Queen Pelosi says that she did not hear them, did they still fall?

MB4 on May 9, 2009 at 1:53 PM

The sad thing is that Pelosi’s been shamelessly lying about this and other matters for decades and nobody has really even pretended to care until now.

What do I know, though? I’m just a know-nothing loner. I guess I should shut up and let the intelligent conversation continue.

thebadoutlaw on May 9, 2009 at 1:54 PM

If trees fall in a forest and Queen Pelosi says that she did not hear them, did they still fall?

MB4 on May 9, 2009 at 1:53 PM

At least one must have. Something sure hit her on the head anyway.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on May 9, 2009 at 2:00 PM

I saw bloggers like Greg Sargent pointing to it hopefully yesterday afternoon.

With so much horse $hit around, there has just got to be a pony around someplace!
– Ronald Reagan

MB4 on May 9, 2009 at 2:04 PM

thebadoutlaw on May 9, 2009 at 1:54 PM

I’m just a know nothing loner too!

scalleywag on May 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM

With so much horse $hit around, there has just got to be a pony around someplace!
– Ronald Reagan

MB4 on May 9, 2009 at 2:04 PM

A horse is a horse,
of course, of course,
And no one tells truths
like a horse of course.
That is, of course, unless the horse
is the famous SanFran Nan!

Go right to the source
and ask the horse
She’ll give you the current
truth in force.
She’s always on a crooked course.
Talk to SanFran Nan!

Nancy yakkity yaks a streak
and waste your time of day
SanFran Nan will never speak
unless she has a lie to say.

A horse is a horse,
of course, of course,
And this one’ll lie
’til her voice is hoarse.
You never heard of a lying horse?
Well listen to SanFarn Nan!

Loxodonta on May 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Update (AP): The left’s newest excuse for Pelosi, in case you’re wondering, is that the descriptions of the briefings in the DNI report might not be accurate. Their source? Leon Panetta, the new, er, Democratic head of the CIA:

So am I to understand that the reports from the CIA memos on torture briefings are not accurate. Then I must be able to assume that the CIA memos on torture are not accurate either….

canditaylor68 on May 9, 2009 at 2:34 PM

More proof that Pelosi lied? She blinked.

SouthernGent on May 9, 2009 at 2:57 PM

You’ve been abusing your power the whole nation around
But that reign of terror of yours will someday come to an end
Hey woman, you lie until you’ve dug yourself way into the ground
The truth way beyond any recognition you do bend

E-evil woman, e-evil woman, e-evil woman, evil woman

That’s a dead end road that leads to you know where
So you just make whatever hay you can between here and there
There’s a hole in your soul where all the abusing and lying comes from
Soon you’ll be scrambling to get out of town like a bum

E-evil woman, e-evil woman, e-evil woman, evil woman

Ha ha woman its a crying shame
But when you finally get your just deserts you’ll have no one else to blame

E-evil woman, e-evil woman, e-evil woman, evil woman
E-evil woman, e-evil woman, e-evil woman, evil woman

MB4 on May 9, 2009 at 3:05 PM

so now leon panetta is throwing his own agency under the bus? its one thing if the dept of agriculture got “demoralized” by the lying scumbags at the top (bambi & agency head) selling them out, but one does not want to F*CK with the CIA>

the CIA has the means to demoralize someone else, too.

kelley in virginia on May 9, 2009 at 3:15 PM

My theory is all the Botox injections have been accumulating in dear Madame Secretary and have begun to take their adverse affects. Although heavily diluted when used in cosmetics, botulin is the one of the most potent neurotoxins known to mankind. It could explain the chronic lies, inane behavior as well as that malicious countenance that would make a gargoyle appear charming.

irukandji_syndrome on May 9, 2009 at 3:31 PM

What do I know, though? I’m just a know-nothing loner.

thebadoutlaw on May 9, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Bad outlaw loners twitter?

DarkCurrent on May 9, 2009 at 3:33 PM

If trees falls in a forest and Queen Pelosi says that she did not hear them, did they still fall?

MB4 on May 9, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Only if the screaming of an endangered Dhimmicrat spotted owl can be shown to have impeded her hearing.

Annar on May 9, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Like I have said elsewhere, if you want a real “Where’s Waldo” type challenge, try to find in this sordid tale any Democrat then or now putting the interests of America, and her brave defenders and loyal citizens, ahead of their own or their party’s interests.

Hint: don’t waste a lot of time on the effort.

drunyan8315 on May 9, 2009 at 3:51 PM

— and this time the fire comes from her side of the aisle

Does Obama need her gone?

misslizzi on May 9, 2009 at 4:06 PM

This spinning by the liberals is so pathetic that it is almost humorous.
Once again,the smartest people in the room are using their ignorance and lack of any kind of leadership as a defense to
their own culpability.

How do the democrats come out of this not looking like liars and idiots.

Pelosi wants us to believe that she was a ranking member in the House that represents democrats during war time but had no idea and did not even ask what “EIT’s” are.

Her line of “they never said exactly what they were doing” is not believable in the least,but even if it is true,How come she did not ask?

What the he!! is she there for?

This is the same selective amnesia and feinted ignorance corrupt democrats like her used concerning the Iraq war.

“We were tricked”

“We had no idea”

“It was all Bush”

After 10 years of hearing democrats yell and scream about Saddam’s WMD’s/Nuclear program and ties to al-qaeda.

Watching the same liberals that will twist and spin any bit of information to make up their conspiracy theories like
“Bush lied”
“Bush did 9/11″
“Bush blew up the levees”
“Bush stole the 2000 election”
“Bush stole the 2004 election”

But can’t seem to see the connections and absolute lies democrats have perpetrated concerning Iraq and now this torture issue shows how pathetically stupid and partisan they actually are.

The NY Times even noted Pelosi’s obvious lying on this issue:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/08/pelosi-criticized-over-interrogation-briefings/?pagemode=print

Democrats say the new information on the briefings supports the speaker’s contention that she was briefed just once and that the specific term waterboarding is not mentioned as part of the subject matter in that session while it is identified as part of briefings attended by others. However, the new report states that Ms. Pelosi was briefed on Sept. 4, 2002, on enhanced interrogation techniques “that had been employed” in contrast with her position that she was not told that any enhanced techniques were being used.

Looks like Nancy is a liar.

“We were not,I repeat,we were not told that waterboarding and any other of these other enhanced interrogation methods were used.”
Nancy Pelosi, April 23, 2009

The liberals opened up this door believing their own propaganda and ignoring the facts thinking that Bush was some kind of war criminal running around killing civilians,torturing terrorist,and going to war for big oil.

Now that the first step has been taken in pursuit of their
bringing down Bush has resulted in exposing democrats for how involved they were in the same practices,they can count on this being the last they will see of “impeachment fantasies”.
The last thing the democrats want is to have splattered across the television day and night how much they wanted to take out Saddam and how much they supported Bush in the war on terror after the press has done such a good job of ignoring their involvement for the last few years.

But please,bring on your “truth commissions”.
Disclose “everything” on pre-war intel and the practices of the War on Terror.

Lets show the world how much the “war is not the answer” crowd supports war,it’s practices and it’s policies that they condemn the Republicans for.

Baxter Greene on May 9, 2009 at 4:09 PM

MB4 on May 9, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Scary.

Loxodonta on May 9, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Here’s the real story, conservatives can’t find any fresh story to attack Democrats, so they take a story 99% of the country could care less about, and then they continually re-hash it, long after its shelf life is over. The gop, the party thats now going to try and defend torture and lawbreaking, as a means to win back power with the electorate. I wonder how many times the conservatives can whip up a good frenzy using Nancy Pelosi. I guess its academic when most of the country stopped listening to the gop a long time ago. Maybe the “base” just needs this non-story to keep the faith as the moderate base of the party has been pretty much thrown out. With the demographics looking the way they do, the gop can’t seem to pull itself out of their self induced death spiral. And getting their hate on over Pelosi isn’t going to help much either. Obama’s approval keeps going up, the gop’s number keep spiraling down, and the angrier the gop sheeple seem to get. If anger did help the gop’s fortunes, wouldn’t you think they’d be back in power by now? More shrill, more anger, more Limbaugh and Beck, more death spiral. Do you see a pattern forming? But keep up the anger and the non stories, I’m sure you can drive some more people out of your party.

athensboy on May 9, 2009 at 5:23 PM

athensboy on May 9, 2009 at 5:23 PM

getalife could have been that stupid in less than 10 words. You’re not even an efficient idiot.

DarkCurrent on May 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM

But keep up the anger and the non stories, I’m sure you can drive some more people out of your party.

athensboy on May 9, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Boy parrot you have you the meme down. Not much original there. I would think that any American who like you thinks water boarding is torture would be upset with her but not word in your inefficient post . Laughable.

Jamson64 on May 9, 2009 at 6:33 PM

athensboy

I see we have another Barkey lap puppy.

Bulldogger on May 9, 2009 at 6:43 PM

The “D” gave it away.

mankai on May 9, 2009 at 6:45 PM

That 9/02 briefing specifically covered EITs and their use on Abu Zubaydah.

Alright Pelosi just wants to clarify her statement.

On that day, 9/02,

between 3:17:27 PM seconds to 3:17:48 PM Seconds,
the President of the USA, Bush,

DID NOT specifically tell her in person,

on the SW corner of the WH lawn,

that EITs were or had been or could be used on Abu Zubaydah.

Okay!

DSchoen on May 9, 2009 at 6:52 PM

Liar, liar, cosmetic surgery on fire.

BuckeyeSam on May 9, 2009 at 7:05 PM

athensboy on May 9, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Get a grip…on life.

BuckeyeSam on May 9, 2009 at 7:06 PM

This 11th-hour attempt by Panetta to save Pelosi’s ass by discrediting his own officers

CIA isnt the State Department. When you decide to throw CIA agents under the bus for political purpose in executing national defense imperatives, that particular organization can take the gloves off in ways that make politicians look like pre-schoolers.

This is gonna get ungly really fast.

Opportunity Costs on May 9, 2009 at 7:31 PM

A Democrat lying? I don’t believe it! I guess they all can’t be like Bill Clinton

MaiDee on May 9, 2009 at 8:09 PM

What one word BEST describes Pelosi?

A. Incompetent
B. Liar
C. Despicable
D. Hypocrite
E. Shameless
F. None of the above. This shameless, incompetent hypocrite is a despicable liar.

Here’s hoping that this story doesn’t die until this WITCH is removed from public office.

chipandcharge on May 9, 2009 at 8:58 PM

You may think Pelosi is lying, but I’m not so sure. I’m certain though, that she is mentally deranged and completely unable to distinguish truth from fantasy. She has been for years. I am curious about how long it will take for the others in the now all powerful democratic Congress to give her the boot. Success does these things—ask Newt.

dewillto on May 9, 2009 at 9:06 PM

Pelosi Lied,
And Terrorists Cried……

DL13 on May 9, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Politicians usually go the way the wind is blowing. She evidently supported waterboarding when it was OK to do so, but, since the tides have changed she has to be like a chameleon and change her political camouflage. If we ever get hit with WMD she will probably then be on the torture and revenge bandwagon, and, on the circle goes….

DL13 on May 9, 2009 at 10:40 PM

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: Nancy PLO-si.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on May 9, 2009 at 10:40 PM

What are the odds that the Bush Administration wouldn’t have briefed them if for no other reason but to cover their own backsides. I mean it’s D.C. they know how the game is played so does Nancy Pelosi. So all I want to know- does this mean she finally loses the Speaker position?

Dr Evil on May 9, 2009 at 10:54 PM

athensboy on May 9, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Paragraphs are your friend.

But in your case, even they won’t help you.

O’bama won. The adults are in charge now.

Love, getalife.

Del Dolemonte on May 9, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Who would ever think that one of the highest ranking members in the Senate, sat for 7 years on committees, the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee. Sitting through 7 years of meetings, and meeting and discussing a wide range of issues, and she had no idea what EIT meant.
Here is a woman who knows what every one of her colleagues have voted for…she has lead her party on attacks of the most minute details of President Bush’s decisions. But she never knew, or found out what EIT meant, she never understood what was being discussed in these meetings, never thought to ask, never thought to investigate, never had an inkling of what techniques we use, although she had toured most every military base in the U.S., has talked to military advisers for decades, and listened to them for 7 years as the highest ranking member of the committee.
She is either a complete imbecile, or a complete liar.
You don’t sit on these meetings, where it is so secret that minutes are not taken (just briefing notes), for seven years and not learn every single thing going on. This is where you listen to find out exactly how safe we are, what we are doing to keep us safe, and where you have contact with the people who have all the answers…and you are the third most powerful person in the U.S., third in line to take over the presidency…you are privately briefed because of your position, you have your own “codes”, in a moment of crises you may be the one leading the country…and you don’t know what is being discussed at the highest lever meetings, the most important committee in the U.S?
If anyone doesn’t think Pelosi knew…then they are admitting one of two things, either she is the dumbest leader for the past seven years…or she is an outright liar…
Third choice, both…

right2bright on May 9, 2009 at 11:05 PM

What is most sickening about the lowlife named Pelosi is not her mendacity; I lived long enough to expect all of these a-holes to be liars. No, it’s her and her staff’s willingness to threaten the lives and besmirch the honor of the few, honest, hardworking patriots who have dedicated their lives to protecting this country. I often wonder how the men and women in uniform can ignore these scum and continue to offer up their lives in service. I’m not big enough for that job. No, I agree with Davide Flaherty. If I had two bullets…

mr1216 on May 10, 2009 at 12:48 AM

Correction. Faherty.

mr1216 on May 10, 2009 at 12:48 AM

The painful truth is Pelosi can lie all day about anything she wishes and there aren’t savvy enough Repubs to make her pay. She knows it, the MSM knows it and so does the Repub leadership.

To put Repub incompetence in perspective imagine if you would that a Repub speaker of the house was caught lying about important national security matters. You know and I know that the Dems would cause that Speaker to resign.
There’s the difference.

Until this difference is made up the Repubs will be back benchers.

patrick neid on May 10, 2009 at 12:50 AM

Pelosi lied, Coulter pie’d

V-rod on May 10, 2009 at 4:29 AM

If the lefties really believe that waterboarding is torture, then they would go after Nasty. But I am doubting their sincerity in this issue now, too. If they give Nasty, one of their own, a pass on her involvement in what they believe is torture, then this proves that their only concern is their hatred of George W. Bush, who has kept us safe since 9/11.

bloggless on May 10, 2009 at 6:21 AM

O’bama won. The adults are in charge now.

Love, getalife.

Del Dolemonte on May 9, 2009 at 11:01 PM

which leads me, an intermittent reader and poster, to ask..is Getalife still posting here? I have not seen anything posted recently.

Red State State of Mind on May 10, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Meanwhile, Senators Shelby and Alexander hammered the sanctimonious Eric Holder last week, asking him how many renditions he approved as Deputy A.G. for Janet Reno during the Saintly reign of B.J. Clinton.

He’ll said he’d get back to them after consulting his records.

Of course, if you’re an audaciously moronic leftist, those questions are “threats” which amount to “blackmail”.

Buy Danish on May 10, 2009 at 9:22 AM

You may think Pelosi is lying, but I’m not so sure. I’m certain though, that she is mentally deranged and completely unable to distinguish truth from fantasy.dewillto on May 9, 2009 at 9:06 PM

She has to stop the Botox, the side effects are out of control and the manufacture has to list a new one, what should we call it? Trotskylosi.

MSGTAS on May 10, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Pelosi conspired with the evil BOOOSH to torture people?

marklmail on May 10, 2009 at 9:48 AM

I wrote this to the WSJ:

I downloaded a copy of the report on Congressional Hearings last night. If memory serves it was about five to ten page long, double sided.

Here are some of the dates of the hearings and the number of Congressmen and Senators (and Staff) at them:

12 Mar 09 – 18 Reps, 13 Staff
10 Jun 08 – 10 Senators
6 Mar 08 – 9 Sen
14 Feb 08 – 8 Reps
5 Feb 08 – 11 Sen
16 Jan 08 – 17 Reps, 10 Staffers
11 Dec 07 – 13 Sen, 18 Staff
9 Nov 07 – 1 Sen
11 Oct 07 – 1 Rep, 1 Staff
2 Aug 07 – 11 Sen

. I’ll stop there. Now I have to ask. Just why in the world is Congress calling for “truth commission” as if we’re some banana republic? Haven’t there been enough meetings about this? I bet the Democrats just didn’t care back then to pay attention and probably can’t remember what was said.

I remember when Reyes was made the new chairmen of one of the House committees after the Democrats took over in 07. I think The Hill asked him questions to test his knowledge of our Islamic enemies… He was so ignorant of so many basic facts.

What the hell do you people in congress do? Why is it that I seem to know more about the world than anyone in this stupid government (and the last one).

This whole sad saga is a testament to how the Democratic leadership in the House, Senate and White House have total contempt for the American people. They obviously do not think that terrorism remains a threat to American lives.

They are playing with our security in a ridiculous , politically fueled display of utter irresponsibility.

Where are the Democrats who are going to put a stop to this deadly betrayal of your offices?

The entire Congressional leadership should resign their leadership positions and a new Speaker and Majority Leader be chosen.. . ideally, the citizens in this country will rise up and put these Jacobins, starting with Pelosi, on charges by a Civilian grand jury.

We need to enact a criminal Federal law that provides for steep personal punishment for any Federal Official who violates the sacred oath taken to defend the Constitution.

These reckless frauds wanted to put the White House lawyers up on the block… it’s only fair to do the same to them.

Enough of this . enough.

Do you Democrats think you’re going to hold this country together while you destroy the credibility of the Federal Govt?

I think We the People have news for you. And no, Pelosi.. this isn’t Astroturf.

VinceP1974 on May 10, 2009 at 9:57 AM

She’s just so busted. Now, one of her aides admits that she was briefed in detail on the techniques.

I knew the minutes would be the ticket, though.

What I dislike about this the most isn’t that she knew, it’s that she was so arrogant to think she could start a witchhunt and not have to answer for her role in this.

AnninCA on May 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM

It does not matter.
She will not resign.
The press will stop reporting it calling it “old news”.
She will be re- elected. Just like Reid, Murtha, Dodd, Frank, etc.

Conclusion: The American people are f***ing STUPID and the Republicans are whimps!

faol on May 10, 2009 at 10:36 AM

I wonder if she’s praying.

ex-Democrat on May 10, 2009 at 11:25 AM

which leads me, an intermittent reader and poster, to ask..is Getalife still posting here? I have not seen anything posted recently.

Red State State of Mind on May 10, 2009 at 9:12 AM

She “banned” herself a couple of weeks ago. That lasted all of one day, then she re-appeared. After a few more incoherent posts, Ed graciously showed her the door.

Del Dolemonte on May 10, 2009 at 11:27 AM

This Pelosi story is another version of the Dodd AIG bonus story – Remember Dodd was supposed to fall on his sword over the Obama ordered inserted AIG bonus’? No one was supposed to follow the trail back to Timmy the wonder boy, Dodd was supposed to take it – but he didn’t, he outed the Administration, and now where is Dodd? Expendable.

Like Louis Caldera…. Take notes Mrs. Speaker he is showing you what the administration expects you to do for them. The new Panetta cover story is weak. It is becoming perfectly obvious the Administration is trying to get rid of her. Call me paranoid, but she must be in the way of something. All they have to do is drop it. But they don’t.

Sure she has a left of center agenda, sure she is a nut job. Yes, she wants power for herself & her cronies but is she cut from the same cloth as Obama? Is she? She is old style-power broker democrat. Step on & steal from the poor. Not completely destroy capitalism. AKA the new progressive/democratic party no one knew they voted for.

While we are licking our chops at the idea of her political demise – we should ask ourselves once the traditional democrats like Pelosi are gone will they be replaced by progressives? It seems to be that party’s trend. Anyway we better be ready for what comes next – if she stays or if she goes. Something to think about. Repulsive isn’t it.

batterup on May 10, 2009 at 12:42 PM

WALLACE: House Speaker Pelosi continues to deny that she was ever briefed on the enhanced interrogation techniques that were actually used against Al Qaida operative Abu Zubaydah.

But a newly released list of congressional briefings — and let’s put it up — says that Pelosi received, quote, “a description of the particular EITs,” or enhanced interrogation techniques, “that had been employed,” this just a month after Zubaydah had been waterboarded 83 times.

How do you explain the discrepancy?

GINGRICH: Well, I think she has a lot of explaining to do. I don’t. She clearly — she’s now changed her story again and said well, she’d been reassured they were all legal. So initially she didn’t know about it, had not been briefed. Then she had been briefed, but it wasn’t clear. Now she’d been briefed and, in fact, had been told it was all legal so she didn’t worry about it.

I think she has, you know, a lot of explaining to do. I think on national security matters, she has an obligation either to say nothing or to tell the truth. And it’s pretty clear in this case she’s not telling the truth.

But I think it leads to a much deeper issue, which is since 1993 when seven people were killed at the World Trade Center, we’ve had two cycles. We had a Clinton administration that thought this was a criminal problem, that issued — that refused to allow the CIA and the FBI to cooperate, that refused to pressure Saudi Arabia or Yemen to go after people who were killing our folks. And then you had a bush administration that said this is a war. I think the administration — if the Obama administration can release documents from the last eight years, they ought to go back and release documents from the previous eight years. I mean, what — what were the legal rulings of people like Holder who, after all — you look at this administration, they’ve got at least…

WALLACE: Attorney General Holder, who then…

GINGRICH: Attorney General Holder.

WALLACE: … was the deputy attorney general.

GINGRICH: But you look at — when you look at the Obama administration, the number of attorneys they have appointed who were defending alleged terrorists — I mean, there’s this weird pattern where the Bush people wanted to defend Americans and were pretty tough on terrorists.

These guys are prepared to take huge risks with Americans in order to defend terrorists. And you look at who…

WALLACE: Who is defending terrorists?

GINGRICH: Oh, I think — well, Holder’s firm has 17 alleged terrorists that they’re representing on a pro bono basis, for no fee. It’s the largest single thing they were doing for free — was defending Yemenis.

I think there are five different attorneys in the — in the Justice Department appointed by Obama who had direct — their firms were defending alleged terrorists.

Upstater85 on May 10, 2009 at 5:48 PM

I agree faol. San Fran Gran Nan is pretty pathetic. Feel the power!

mandoid on May 10, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Nothing ever passes this bitch’s lips that even vaguely resembles the truth.

BillaryMcBush on May 10, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Nothing ever passes this b!tch’s lips that even vaguely resembles the truth.

BillaryMcBush on May 10, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Blame it on the Botox

Cybergeezer on May 10, 2009 at 7:47 PM

American Power tracked-back with, “Nancy Pelosi, Dogged by Waterboarding Lies, Visits Iraq to Expedite Precipitous Withdrawal”:

http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/nancy-pelosi-dogged-by-waterboarding.html

Donald Douglas on May 11, 2009 at 12:32 AM

So. Pelosi gets briefed in Septermber ’02 about EIT’s, and the briefing, according to her, only MENTIONED that waterboarding was a possibility.

Then a few months later, her aide is briefed (why the aide? Did she not think the briefings were important enough for her to show up?) about actual waterboarding being used.

At some point, she must have been told Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times in August ’02.

Why did she not raise all kinds of he!! at some point about not being briefed that waterboarding was actually being used in August, particularly if she were briefed on this specifically just a month later in September?

I cannot imagine anyone receiving classified briefings about a planned subject finding out later the subject was not just planning but reality, and not getting PO’d about it not being briefed.

Maybe she was busy throwing her weight around at the Pentagon over her military flights back to San Fransicko.

In the end, I still think this is fall out from her catfight with Jane Harman.

91Veteran on May 11, 2009 at 12:59 AM

What is especially dangerous to our country, and exasperating to witness, is that the Main Stream Media hasn’t said BOO about this.
Our House Speaker is caught lying about an extremly contengious issue, and yet, somehow, this is not news??!
WTF?
Look. Politics aside, this maniac is 3rd in line to being in command. When you KNOW she’s lying, you DO YOUR JOB and LET PEOPLE KNOW.
I shouldn’t have to find this out on a freaking BLOG for cripesakes!
We need to be out there protesting at EVERY Town Hall meeting in our country. We need to protest outside Ted Turner’s house. We NEED TO GET INVOLVED dammitt!
If we don’t start acting like we care, we won’t even recognize this country in a couple generations.

KMC1 on May 11, 2009 at 6:15 AM

You are the liar, Ed.

Clearly, Gingrich was not holding back many punches, despite having met with the president this past week to discuss education policy. His quips were aimed at Democrats in Congress as well, as he derided leadership in that party for not moving to stop the enhanced interrogation policies they currently criticize.

“They have had control since January 2007,” he said. “They haven’t passed a law making waterboarding illegal. They haven’t gone into any of these things and changed law.”

In February 2008, the Senate voted on the Intelligence Authorization Bill, which would have outlawed the use of waterboarding. President Bush vetoed the measure.

You are going down.
Bush the Torture President.

strangelet on May 11, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Do you know what History will see?
One thing is Bush vetos.
How sparingly he used them.
Veto-ing hESCR and anti-torture legislation.
Niice.
Quite the legacy.

strangelet on May 11, 2009 at 10:01 AM

You are going down.
Bush the Torture President.

strangelet on May 11, 2009 at 9:59 AM

OOOOOOOHHHHH!!
Bush vetoed a bill that dealt with interrogation techniques that democrats supported.

Can you even read strangelet.
Try to keep up.

Waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques were supported in full by democrats like Pelosi and Rockefeller.

The Obama administration continues Rendition and enhanced interrogation techniques.

The facts have a way of getting in the way of your pathetic
BDS strangelet.Try this ignorant line at huffington where facts don’t matter,you are only making a fool of yourself here.

Baxter Greene on May 11, 2009 at 1:03 PM

And……..Rush is yet once again validated.

LOL*

It’s just too funny.

AnninCA on May 11, 2009 at 3:14 PM

I suppose lying is OK if you do it for a good cause. Such as personal power and enrichment.

shaken on May 11, 2009 at 5:41 PM

If trees falls in a forest and Queen Pelosi says that she did not hear them, did they still fall?

MB4 on May 9, 2009 at 1:53 PM

If the tree Pelosi’s chopping falls on her head, would she hear it? If both go down, did either fall?

maverick muse on May 15, 2009 at 3:50 PM

strangelet on May 11, 2009 at 9:59 AM

You misrepresent your own quotations, eliminating your own credibility.

Don’t call Ed a liar.

maverick muse on May 15, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Remember, Panetta tried to create some wiggle room for her last week when he conspicuously qualified the CIA’s account of the September 2002 briefing by saying it might not be accurate.” –Allahpundit regarding the following:

CIA Director Leon Panetta said the classified memos describing what was said at each briefing would be available at CIA headquarters for review by congressional staff, according to an agency official.

“In the end, you and the committee will have to determine whether this information is an accurate summary of what actually happened,” Mr. Panetta wrote to several members of Congress.

That window of opportunity closed when Nancy called the CIA liars on Congressional Record. She burnt her own bridges.

As I noted elsewhere, the ball is in Obama’s court, the CIA being part of the Executive Branch. He’s already had over 100 days to discuss this with the CIA and study all of the memos. He owes our intelligence community his loyalty as their record is absolutely clear, Bush having gone to extraordinary measures to keep all accounts on the books. Obama must not play Brutus with our national security.

maverick muse on May 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM