Video: It wasn’t just Pelosi
posted at 2:15 pm on May 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Nancy Pelosi isn’t alone in her lies and hypocrisy, according to Jim Angle at Fox News. The leaked CIA minutes of Congressional briefings on enhanced-interrogation techniques — more than 40 of them — show that leaders of both parties and members of the committees on intelligence got specifically and explicitly briefed on Abu Zubaydah’s waterboarding and other procedures used on high-value al-Qaeda detainees:
The leak clearly shows that some in the CIA have resolved not to take the heat for waterboarding all by themselves, and shows what a miscalculation Obama made by releasing the legal memos. Until that time, the CIA appeared content to let people talk about Bush-era tactics in academic terms, especially since the agency had dropped the procedures in question several years earlier. After the release of the OLC memos prompted talk of prosecutions, that all changed, and now Obama knows how Bush felt when the CIA decided to leak damaging information to the press.
We can expect this topic to die a quiet death in the next few days. Obama already hit reverse after his selective release when it became apparent that he’d opened Pandora’s Box and exposed Democratic leadership to the issue. If Dick Cheney gets his way and wins approval for the release of the information gleaned from Zubaydah and KSM, it’s going to make it an even worse political setback for the White House.










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Can’t wait to see this on tonight’s news or front page above the fold in all the major newspapers.
jukin on May 8, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Pandora and her cat ran away with the worms…
ladyingray on May 8, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Spooks don’t like anyone screwing them over.
CYA
jake-the-goose on May 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM
No it won’t. Nobody will hear about it, unless they’re watching Fox News or reading conservative blogs.
It’ll be like it never happened.
Gregor on May 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM
I thought Obama was the smartest president evahhh???
My dream is shattered….
izoneguy on May 8, 2009 at 2:21 PM
What goes around comes around. Obama better hope that the CIA does not start trying to find out who leaked the names of the particular agents involved in the scheme.
RedSoxNation on May 8, 2009 at 2:21 PM
I wish he would reverse course on the release of those stupid pictures. Is he planning on using them as a reason for Apology Tour II?
Cindy Munford on May 8, 2009 at 2:21 PM
That was good! I needed a good laugh this Friday.
Daggett on May 8, 2009 at 2:22 PM
0bama already has his shovel out, ready to bury the issue. I don’t think Pelosi will let it get buried though, she’s so stupid it’s almost as if she’s determined to get this one duct taped to her ugly dried up crone ass on a permanent basis.
I think she’s done well proving to everyone what a liar she is, she can’t undo that one now. 0bama can only make things worse for her. Happy to see it.
Spiritk9 on May 8, 2009 at 2:22 PM
As ditzy and stupid looking [and sounding] as Pelosi is, I wouldn’t doubt that she’d forget about this kind of briefing.
Now, her next facelift appointment … that’s another matter.
OhEssYouCowboys on May 8, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Fingers Crossed
from the clip
To be fair; if the slides were not done in crayons than the slides and discussions of them were over the head of Botoxsi.
Branch Rickey on May 8, 2009 at 2:23 PM
We bailed out GM. Obama annouces their bankruptcy. And now they move the jobs overseas.
You have to laugh; or you’d cry.
lorien1973 on May 8, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Me too. Sometimes I think Obama won’t be happy until the whole country is brought to it’s knees before the world.
portlandon on May 8, 2009 at 2:25 PM
Like the infamous Rockefeller Memo in reverse. Payback Senator Jay Rockefeller is what you call a female dog.
OT, look at the timing of the Rockefeller memo, November 2003 and the direction of politics of the left takes over. A Democrat is a leftist now, even if they run as conservatives in Red states – Jon Tester I’m talking to you). Today, you hear Democrats talking about Republicans demanding ideological purity, read the Rockefeller memo in the context of the time (at the time, the mere thought of opposing the war on political grounds was viewed as heretical), and you will recognize Democrats as usual are only projecting.
Angry Dumbo on May 8, 2009 at 2:25 PM
After watching only an hour of television, one would conclude that the might of America’s production is fast food and women’s hygiene and male enhancement products.
OhEssYouCowboys on May 8, 2009 at 2:27 PM
SNL needs to do a follow up on the palamino skit, in which Pelosi denies ever having been briefed on the activities involved….
TexasDan on May 8, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Wasn’t Rockefeller the one who conveniently whipped out a letter expressing his concerns about the these technics should they ever surface?
Cindy Munford on May 8, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Dammit, I keep running out of popcorn, watching this colossal FU by this administration.
The republicans just need to get out of the way and watch the democrats implode.
HornetSting on May 8, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Karma, you’re a sweet juicy bitch!
BobMbx on May 8, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Don’t know about anyone else, but I’m getting a huge lift with this full, robust topic.
JamesLee on May 8, 2009 at 2:31 PM
I’m lovin’ this stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
joedoe on May 8, 2009 at 2:31 PM
So, are they going to release the torture photos?
If they do, the visuals will give this story life for at least another week, and the damage to the Democrats will continue.
If they do not, how are they going to explain the change in policy? If it was necessary to release the photos last week, why is it suddenly necessary to keep them under wraps now?
(And, no… “Because it will hurt Democrats” is not an acceptable answer…)
gridlock2 on May 8, 2009 at 2:31 PM
I asked this question when Bush was President and I’m asking it now: Are there good leaks and bad leaks, or just bad leaks?
DrSteve on May 8, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Pelosi: Palomino!
lorien1973 on May 8, 2009 at 2:32 PM
That’s not far from reality these days.
lorien1973 on May 8, 2009 at 2:32 PM
There’s only one solution to this apparent lying—water board Pelosi and find out the truth.
patrick neid on May 8, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Who says this is even important?
Judging from the MSM, the Miss California leaked photos are much more newsworthy.
wildweasel on May 8, 2009 at 2:35 PM
If she has another facelift she will have to shave her chin!
tbear44 on May 8, 2009 at 2:37 PM
Democrats. The Torture Party.
Loxodonta on May 8, 2009 at 2:38 PM
“We can expect this topic to die a quiet death in the next few days.”
Hope not , this is quagmire for Obama.
the_nile on May 8, 2009 at 2:38 PM
What interrogation techniques? You mean the now legal ones?
right2bright on May 8, 2009 at 2:38 PM
I think Rockefeller was the NYT’s source for most if not all of the articles they wrote during the Bush admin that revealed serious national security programs.
Why the Bush admin was too lame to ever pursue him for doing so I simply cannot fathom. Bush appointed a special prosecutor to trash Dick Cheney’s staff over the Valerie Plame affair, but never gave a damn about the source of actual damaging information.
funky chicken on May 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Where are the MSM headhunters? This is bigger than Fox and HA, no?
dingbat on May 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM
The CIA [or anyone else] leaking data at will can’t be good, no matter who is in office.
toliver on May 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Pelosified.
maverick muse on May 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM
I’m sure Obama wishes this would disappear. But we’ve still got a couple weeks of furor over “torture photos” to look forward to.
hawksruleva on May 8, 2009 at 2:40 PM
…leaking data
if not classified, a matter of public record
maverick muse on May 8, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Agreed. Leaks are illegal, and should be prosecuted. But the CIA is probably pretty good at covering up who leaks stuff…
hawksruleva on May 8, 2009 at 2:41 PM
I hear a bikini wax is better….and it is torture too.
HornetSting on May 8, 2009 at 2:41 PM
I guess Pelosi isn’t going to hang alone.
Two can play …
And what say you drive-by Parrot?
tarpon on May 8, 2009 at 2:41 PM
funky chicken on May 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM
that was damned confusing strategery
maverick muse on May 8, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Captain Ed wrote:
We can expect this topic to die a quiet death in the next few days. Obama already hit reverse after his selective release when it became apparent that he’d opened Pandora’s Box and exposed Democratic leadership to the issue.
—–
Unless, Captain, this is a blue-on-blue event, i.e. Obama is trying to “remind” Pelosi who’s in charge.
Mew
acat on May 8, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Obama will have a very simple solution to this problem. HE’LL IGNORE IT. Ergo, ‘it never happened, don’t know what you’re talking about, what memo’s'?
GarandFan on May 8, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Darth Cheney Strikes Back Again! He so needed to be at the top of the ticket.
Feedie on May 8, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Obama is the new Teflon. This wont phase him one bit. The Donkey leadership in congress, however. . . .
dingbat on May 8, 2009 at 2:44 PM
What I fear is that there will be more funerals for Americans.
Ideologically driven anti-American recklessness, pure and simple.
Loxodonta on May 8, 2009 at 2:44 PM
The MSM will suffocate the topic.
But this entire TORTURE mantra is not going to disappear any easier than using it to dismantle Pelosi. Never waste a good crisis.
maverick muse on May 8, 2009 at 2:45 PM
This one , is for the home team.
the_nile on May 8, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Can you imagine the heat coming off the phone lines inbetween Pelosi and Rocky’s PBX connections.
And Nanner’s head assplodes in 5..4..3..2..
44Magnum on May 8, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Good thing we gave them $15 billion dollars first, huh?
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
/facepalm
DrAllecon on May 8, 2009 at 2:46 PM
You got the catnip.
maverick muse on May 8, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Maybe we can hope if he keeps ticking them off someone might just accidently of course(hehe) leak his actual birth certificate. Hope springs eternal.
concernedsenior on May 8, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Here’s Jay Rockefeller from a March 3 2003 NYT’s article:
So Rockefeller wouldn’t rule out something as clearly illegal as Rendition to facilitate torture interrogation to get the info we needed. and, further, wouldn’t rule out “anything”. Do you think he gave a second thought about oppostion to the EIT’s he was briefed on?
Yeah, didn’t think so. Probably why he’s been kind of quiet lately.
Dusty on May 8, 2009 at 2:47 PM
It is such a stupid idea. I would love to be a fly on the wall and know the actual reason for the idea.
I have notice that you have gotten you use your rhetorical skills many times in the last couple of days. Good job.
Cindy Munford on May 8, 2009 at 2:47 PM
I was wondering who was going to play the role of Praetorian Guard. Et Tu, Brute?
It’s not nice to fool Mother Nature (or the CIA).
BobMbx on May 8, 2009 at 2:48 PM
……”That’s not the CIA I knew.” -B. Hussein Obama.
……In other news, the obama girls get a surprise gift, a pet camel from the saudi king that daddy bowed to.
HornetSting on May 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM
Keep that box open! Whatever it takes. Shove Queen Pelosi’s shriveled up head in it to keep it open if needed.
MB4 on May 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM
I suspect Rove played a bigger part in making those decisions than we are aware. Dubya got twisted up in political agendas a few times when he got his priorities scrambled. Besides Rockefeller, I have always thought Pat Leahy is an untrustworthy SOB.
a capella on May 8, 2009 at 2:50 PM
patrick neid on May 8, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Won’t work the witch will melt in a smoke filled little pile at the mere touch of water.
Didn’t you ever see the wizard of OZ?
Same thing on the Wizard of Obama!
dhunter on May 8, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Ha! /The Party of Tortured Corruption.
maverick muse on May 8, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Shocker.
Another news report critical of the Demoncrats comes out on a Friday afternoon.
Now ….. is it true Bristol Palin is having a lesbian affair with Miss California?
fogw on May 8, 2009 at 2:51 PM
O/T wanted to see what the enemy was doing…..
They’re not even hinding it now….they have a New York Times Edition of MSNBC…..a match made in hell.
They are talking about Obama going to apologized to the egyptians next month and about the unemployment rate……spun by the NYT.
HornetSting on May 8, 2009 at 2:51 PM
HornetSting: ……”That’s not the CIA I knew.” -B. Hussein Obama.
LOL
maverick muse on May 8, 2009 at 2:52 PM
EYE BLEACH!! EYE BLEACH!!!! ack.
Fighton03 on May 8, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Uh. What?
lorien1973 on May 8, 2009 at 2:53 PM
I saw nothing. I heard nothing. I know nothing. I was not there. I did not even get up any of those 40 days when they gave those briefings on whatever it was that they gave them on.
OberfeldwebelSchultz on May 8, 2009 at 2:54 PM
I wanted to see if MSNBC is even covering this and guess what, they’re not. They are gushing about their partnership with the New York Times……
MSNBC and NYT….all the news that’s fit for sh*t.
HornetSting on May 8, 2009 at 2:55 PM
This should keep Hannity pretty busy tonight!
joedoe on May 8, 2009 at 2:56 PM
While two wrongs don’t make a right, how else can these officials defend themselves against such tactics? Wait for their careers to be destroyed and savings be depleted by legal fees? And then, there is the damage that this political witch hunt has done to national intelligence. I don’t know an alternative.
Loxodonta on May 8, 2009 at 2:56 PM
What goes around comes around. Now he’s finding out too that you can’t have a war in Afghanistan where civilians won’t get hurt. Not so easy being president, is it? And still, Bush remains quiet when he has every reason in the world to say I told you so. He’s a class act. Obama is a fool.
scalleywag on May 8, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Who was it wrote that article about the CIA declaring war on Obama? It was here earlier this week I think.
INC on May 8, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Now if the CIA would just leak Obama’s birth certificate, his school records and lot’s of other dirt that I’m sure they can get access to, we can start to clean up this Obamanation.
Guardian on May 8, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Obama is playing in a league that he can’t even begin to envision. He might think that his “street smarts”, gained on the south side of Chicago, are a match for those people operating out there in the shadows. The ONE-WON is in for some very sobering reality lessons.
One can only hope that he declares an open war with the spooks.
Yoop on May 8, 2009 at 2:59 PM
The world may be ugly, but each man must do what he must
Give in Queen Pelosi, in a year you will be botox dust
Now come let our Lady of Justice possess you
In her breathtaking, hair-raising bed
She will tingle your spine
As she captures your heart and your head
Sing, swing
Savour the sting
As she severs you, Queen Pelosi
Slice, come paradise
Our Delilah will shave you razor clean
PercyB on May 8, 2009 at 2:59 PM
This should keep Hannity pretty busy tonight!
joedoe on May 8, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Between this, and the welfare cars, I’m worried that Beck’s head will explode on air!
ladyingray on May 8, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Found it:
The CIA’s Fight With Obama
INC on May 8, 2009 at 3:01 PM
If this was the 1990s and Newt Gingrich was House Minority Whip, he would be calling for Pelosi’s resignation over this and staging Republicans on the House floor with one-minute speeches raking her over the coals every day. She is not very popular with the general public. Why are Republicans not HANGING her with this??? I can see why they don’t want to tangle with Obama right now, but Pelosi went on national television and LIED THROUGH HER TEETH. This is a perfect setup for next year’s elections!
rockmom on May 8, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Let Afghanistan go
Saw an unforgettably stark photo of Taliban fighters in Afghanistan’s Wardak province, the same province Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen visited this week: Eight robed, turbaned fighters, a sandy ridge, a cloudy sky. All that was missing was the incoming American drone strike to turn the men into dust.
Question: Should the United States call in that strike? How great a security threat to the United States do these eight barbarians pose? How many dollars, how much blood is it worth to our nation to pulverize them into that lunar-like landscape?
I recently read a military e-mail from Afghanistan that marveled over a similar scene: “As far as BDA (battle damage assessment) goes, check this one out. 2 GBU 36′s (bomblets) dropped the other day on estimated 6 guys!!!! That is half a million dollars on 6 guys!!!!” The e-mailer guessed that all the sniper ammunition the jihadists have used in the whole war hasn’t cost close to that.
This is not to suggest that there is no war or enemies to fight, which is what both the Left and the Paleo-Right will say; there most certainly are. But sinking all possible men, materiel and bureaucracy into Afghanistan, as the Obama people and most conservatives favor, to try to bring a corrupt Islamic culture into working modernity while simultaneously fighting Taliban and wading deep into treacherous Pakistani wars is no way to victory — at least not to U.S. victory. On the contrary, it is the best way to bleed and further degrade U.S. military capabilities. Indeed, if I were a jihad chieftain, I couldn’t imagine a better strategy than to entrap tens of thousands of America’s very best young men in an open-ended war of mortal hide-and-seek in the North West Frontier.
I decided to ask someone with real military experience how we could fend off jihad without further digging ourselves into Central Asia. I called up retired Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely, one of the few top military leaders who talks on the record, to ask for his strategy recommendation for Afghanistan.
“Basically, let it go,” he said.
Let Afghanistan go — music to my ears, particularly given the source is no Hate-America-First professor or Moveon-dot-org-nik, but a lifelong patriotic conservative warrior. “There’s nothing to win there,” he explained, engaging in an all-too-exotic display of common sense. “What do you get for it? What’s the return? Well, the return’s all negative for the United States.”
The general continued: “This doesn’t mean giving up battle. What it means is you transition to a more realistic, affordable strategy that keeps them (the jihadist enemy) from spreading.”
Such a strategy, Vallely explained, relies on “the maximum use of unconventional forces,” such as Navy SEALS and other special forces, who can be deployed as needed from what are known in military parlance as “lily pads” — outposts or jumping-off points in friendly countries (Israel, Northern Kurdistan, India, Philippines, Italy, Djibouti … ) and from U.S. aircraft carrier strike groups. Such strike groups generally include eight to 10 vessels “with more fire power,” the general noted, “than most nations.” These lily pads become “bases we can launch from any time we want to,” eliminating the need for massive land bases such as Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan, by now a small city of 20,000 American personnel who continuously need to be supplied and secured at enormous expense.
“There’s no permanent force,” the general said. “That’s the beauty of it.” We watch, we wait and when U.S. interests are threatened, “we basically use our strike forces to take them out, target by target.” This would work whether the threat came from Al Qaeda, Pakistani nukes or anything else.
He continued: “This idea that we’re going to go in and bring democracy to these tribal cultures isn’t going to work. If we have a problem with terrorist countries, like Iran, it’s a lot cheaper to go in and hit them and get back out.”
In other words, don’t give up the battle; just give up the nation-building. “It’s up to somebody else to build nations,” the general said. “Not us.”
He went on: That old myth that (Colin) Powell had — if you break it you own it — that’s a myth. You break it, you decide whether you own it. You don’t have to go in and own it.”
MB4 on May 8, 2009 at 3:05 PM
Somehow, I have the feeling these pics will stay in a drawer now. To release them, will only enhance the Democrats involvement, even more, and look worse for them. Just my opinion, but I can see them just staying quiet now, hoping it all goes away quickly.
capejasmine on May 8, 2009 at 3:07 PM
Because our Republicans are asleep at the switch. Boerner’s constiuents….get on the horn and wake him up!
HornetSting on May 8, 2009 at 3:08 PM
From your keyboard to God’s ear.
Cindy Munford on May 8, 2009 at 3:09 PM
rockmom on May 8, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Haven’t you heard? Presidente Pinnochio is suspending all further elections until he gets the country on the right track!
This might take years,but the MSM lead by MSNBC is fully behind his hindend.
sarc/off
dhunter on May 8, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Dear Cindy, you’ve been making too much banana pudding and not doing enough reading. Have you lost your glasses again?
Let me explain it to you, dear. President Obama is releasing these photos because he is a good man and a great proponent of government transparency.
Just like he is doing for all the photos and documents associated with Scare Force One.
It’s not my fault. Maquis first encouraged me. And you’ve been at it too. So you are merely reaping what you sowed.
Loxodonta on May 8, 2009 at 3:09 PM
+1
bluelightbrigade on May 8, 2009 at 3:10 PM
The ‘situational’ left will want to drop it — they’re the ones who only used the strategy against Bush and Republicans in order to fire up the base and regain power. To them it was just strategerie.
The hard-core left, on the other hand, isn’t ready to drop it. Far left talker Mike Malloy was ranting on his show Thursday night about the U.S. drones that killed civilians in Pakistan, and was saving most of his bile for Hillary Clinton, but some spittle was also dripping onto Obama. This crowd still wants the Dick Cheney frog march they expected Patrick Fitzgerald to give them, and are so worked up about it they really are going to think Obama’s part of some cover-up conspiracy and will at least partially turn on him, the way the left did on Clinton in 1999 with the WTO riots.
jon1979 on May 8, 2009 at 3:13 PM
J Edgar lives on. LOL
Rick007 on May 8, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Maybe… Just Maybe.. The CIA or the FBI might want to start checking into Obama’s college student applications and transcripts. Maybe they might want to dig into the birth certificate vs. certificate of live birth as well. Maybe they want to interview his grandmother who states he was born in Kenya and that she witnessed the birth, in Kenya.
Don’t mess with the CIA mister Smart Power.
Key West Reader on May 8, 2009 at 3:15 PM
PS: Do know that Hawkdriver has been posting several times today?
Loxodonta on May 8, 2009 at 3:16 PM
ROFL!!!
Me thinks Obama is coming to find, it’s lonely at the top, and it’s not as easy as he thought it would be. It’s a long way from that world in Hawaii, catching the big surf, and just hanging out, and high!
capejasmine on May 8, 2009 at 3:17 PM
It also shows that some in the CIA have more intelligence than the politicians on the hill………
Seven Percent Solution on May 8, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Does this mean it’s all back to being called “interrogation” now?
LibTired on May 8, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Anyone else notice that the Trolls are uncharacteristically quiet on the site today?
They don’t like sunshine much.
PappaMac on May 8, 2009 at 3:28 PM
The MSM will shill on this like they do everything else. The Great O’bunghole and the Democrats can do NO wrong! (According to the MSM) The GOP is gutless and won’t pursue it just like the GOP has refused to pursue O’bunghole’s 27 violations of the Constitution, including illegally seizing the census, and O’bunghole committing treason by releasing classified info.
Pat yourselves on the back RINOs for allowing this to happen.
nelsonknows on May 8, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Pelosi has now committed what I believe is treason and should be charged. To lie so blatantly to the people in her position rises to the level.
Can we build the fires yet?
Viper1 on May 8, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Yes, thanks, he and I “spoke” on a thread.
Cindy Munford on May 8, 2009 at 3:34 PM
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