Campaign to destroy Miss California somehow turns even nastier
posted at 5:00 pm on May 7, 2009 by Allahpundit
Time for ye olde airing of the family dirty laundry in the guise of armchair psychoanalysis. I’m surprised it took this long. Usually the very first bit of mud to be thrown at a conservative critical of gays is the charge that they’re gay themselves and are channeling their denial into “hate.” That line of attack got postponed in this case thanks to the eagerness of pageant sources to whisper about her implants and the ready supply of topless photos, but now at last it’s time. With a twist: It’s not Prejean herself who’s being called a closet case but dad. Classy.
Carrie’s parents filed for divorce in 1988 and the divorce and custody fights went on for more than a decade — it was a divorce filled with homosexual allegations hurled by both sides.
In one of the docs, Carrie’s dad describes a confrontation he had with her mom in 1996, in which he recounts an argument in a restaurant parking lot, where “Ms. Prejean accused me, in front of our daughter, of homosexuality.”…
Carrie’s mom says the “gay” allegations went both ways. In court papers dated May 16, 2000, a report from the court-appointed counselor says “The mother also alleges the father told the girls their stepfather was gay, that all men with mustaches are gay.” The father’s response: “The father acknowledges talking with the girls about the stepfather’s brother being gay, not the stepfather.”
Good sports that they are, TMZ elected not to publish certain other “absolutely hideous” accusations from the divorce papers but felt obliged to note that they exist so that you might imagine how mentally damaged Prejean — and, by extension, all opponents of gay marriage — must be. Note the title of the post, too: “The Origin of Homophobia.” Click here to see how “homophobic” she is in reality. Tolerance indeed.
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JetBoy,
I know you and I disagree about gay marriage, but I HAVE found a lot of things to agree with in what you have been saying.
And I appreciate your candid opinion.
The only real point here where you and I diverge is in your seeming lack of concern in what has been happening lately to her.
To an extent, I agree that when anyone embraces a public role (whether they sought it or it was thrust upon them), they open themselves to public attacks and ridicule.
But in this instance, the attacks have not really been in response to her opinion on gay marriage…
…but on weird, strange things like her boob job, her photo shoot and, most peculiarly and perversely, her parent’s divorce.
I laughed at the attacks on her boob job and the photo shoot because they were not only patently ridiculous (hey! hate the model because she’s acting like a model!!), but because if she had voiced a different opinion these would be things that the left would praise and admire.
In other words, despite their claim of “hypocrisy”, it was actually THEIR OWN ATTACKS that were hypocritical (I still haven’t gotten drywall to explain to me why it’s outrageous that a 17 year old with parental consent would pose for lingerie, but it’s NOT outrageous for a 14 year old girl to kill her baby WITHOUT parental notification).
As I said in another thread, their chief criticism of Miss Prejean was that she was sexy!!
But this new attack is disturbing on many different levels.
They have invaded not only HER privacy, but the privacy of her parents in some desperate attempt to…
…um…
…I’m not exactly sure WHAT they’re trying to prove. Whether they are simply trying to make her extremely uncomfortable or if they are trying to dismiss her views because of the divorce.
No one deserves this, no matter WHAT their views are or HOW MUCH of a public spokesperson they are.
One almost trembles to think what they will do next if she doesn’t recant or disappear.
Religious_Zealot on May 7, 2009 at 8:07 PM
We’re all “innocent human beings”. Stop tagging Carrie as some “victim”…victimization is for the Left. She accepted her role in the spotlight. It ain’t gonna be all applause and cheers.
What if she had been pro-gay marriage, and a conservative judge came out wit a video and called her names. Would you still call her a victim? I think not. I don’t like double-standards from the lefties, and I certainly don’t like them from my own party.
JetBoy on May 7, 2009 at 8:10 PM
You have no idea how very wrong you are, I’m very open minded and never had a problem with civil unions. It’s your inability to feel some type of compassion for Miss Prejean, your little digs at her and you basically blaming her for the hate being shown to her, that is slowly closing my mind to your community.
And that’s really too bad, as you’ve tainted my outlook on something I had perceived with the “live and let live” motto. What you fail to realize is that this hate and snark towards a person who merely calls it like she see’s it, is going to backfire bigtime.
Knucklehead on May 7, 2009 at 8:14 PM
A ‘victim’? I don’t know.
But many of us would have scolded the judge, especially if he used the same language as Hilton.
Religious_Zealot on May 7, 2009 at 8:14 PM
1. if that conservative judged called her a B—- like perez did, he/she would be boycotted by NOW, missUSA, and get a ‘special comment’ from olbermann
2. if that conservative judge called her a C— like perez did on NBC, you bet norah odonnell would have said SOMETHING, and the today show and GMA would have segments on ‘hate and the right’ and joy behar would blame bush.
you are really insane if you think it would be ‘all the same’.
how many times have the MSM repeated perez’s slur of B—h and C–t? how about NEVER? they always gloss over that.
this girl signed up to be in a pageant, NOT signed up to be in a political race. cut her some slack.
battleoflepanto1571 on May 7, 2009 at 8:14 PM
No one has answered the “would you say this about Cindy Sheehan?” question to my satisfaction yet.
The salient point about Sheehan is that she got to say whatever she wanted, over and over again, with extensive press coverage — and no personal information about her family (or herself) was EVER dug up by the MSM and retailed to the public as dirt on her.
She may well have had a father who was accused of being gay, a mother who was an alcoholic, an uncle jailed for tax evasion, an aunt who did time in an asylum, and a brother who was indicted on federal racketeering charges. But the news media never snooped around after her trying to dig up “dirt,” and present it as an indictment of her stance on the Iraq war and President Bush.
And yes — if the MSM had done that, I would have said the same thing about Sheehan as I say about Prejean: that she should not be hounded and denigrated by the media for her beliefs.
J.E. Dyer on May 7, 2009 at 8:17 PM
great point.
and had some fox person called her a B word or a C-word like perez did (on live msnbc tv!), you’d bet they’d get raked over the coals
furthermore, cindy sheehan layed on her son’s grave for vanity fair. a freaking photo shoot. they didnt show the headstone, because cindy never paid for one (it was $250 bucks).
imagine if carrie went out and took a picture for vanity fair with a fake gun at a lesbian wedding or something. outrage everywhere. yet cindy ‘exploiter’ gets to do the worm on her son’s grave for a PUBLICITY PHOTO, and no one chirps a peep.
battleoflepanto1571 on May 7, 2009 at 8:23 PM
The first I heard about any of this was on a post here at Hot Air, and the reactions of the pageant coordinators. I don’t think the article was on a “right wing” website, so I don’t think you can blame the right for hyping the story.
I know some gays who dislike the way Carrie was being treated are also upset that she is working with NOM, and they say that this makes her an activist. (Read this in some comments on GayPatriot.net). But that doesn’t excuse what’s being done to her.
Both sides are NOT equally at fault, here.
We expect a full review tomorrow.
Bobbertsan on May 7, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Good post, you nailed it.
Cindy Munford on May 7, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Don’t try to paint me with your own double-standards. It’s wishful thinking, and it doesn’t work. I am willing to admit error for any mistake I make or anything I say or do wrong. I don’t think I’m superior to any other human being. Nor do I use slurs to defame others. Nor do I hold grudges.
I am sorry I lost my temper with you earlier today in the Headline Thread on this topic. However I do get steamed that you continue to rationalize and defend yourself and others regarding the abuse heaped on Carrie Prejean, while blaming the victim and her supporters. I get angry when anyone is so abused, including when its done to homosexuals. perhaps i get angry because I expect better from people, including you. And at the moment, I cannot think of a single word I wrote about you that is incorrect. But if you can point to any I should correct, I’d be happy to do so.
So stop using double-standards yourself, and start showing the same respect for others as you demand for yourself. And stop being indifferent to attempts to destroy others simply because they are different. I would never want such a fate for you, regardless of what you think of or post about me.
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 8:39 PM
Thanks, RZ. Point taken.
Sure, it does make her an activist. And activists from any group are bound to be attacked by another. Goes with the territory.
JetBoy on May 7, 2009 at 8:41 PM
I greatly appreciate your post and the values you expressed in closing. Thank you so much.
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Is she a conservative?
When has she been critical of homosexuals?
jgapinoy on May 7, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Naww-ww… JetBoy, there’s no activist “territory” that necessarily brings with it the press digging around in your family’s background, looking for things to make personal attacks on you with.
If you can cite chapter and verse on how anything like this was done by the media to a left-wing activist, go ahead.
We’ll wait.
J.E. Dyer on May 7, 2009 at 8:49 PM
First, no worries about “loosing tempers”. I don’t think you did. And I’m sure I’ve lost mine a few times.
As for the rest…Well, then, aren’t I a victim too? I’m attacked for simply stating my opinion. Sometimes vehemently. Sticking up to free speech only when you agree with it is, IMHO, a double standard.
JetBoy on May 7, 2009 at 8:49 PM
*note: I have not read any comments thus far*
If the RNC had half the balls these pissed off gays do, they’d be a shoo-in for 2012.
citrus on May 7, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Don’t wait…It might take me a looong time. On that, I agree.
But…sorry, gotta disagree on anyone not figuring out that the MSM is going to dig as deep as they can for mud on any conservative activist. It would probably only come as a surprise to, say, a beauty pageant contestant.
Oh, snap…here it comes…
JetBoy on May 7, 2009 at 8:53 PM
She has expressed her opinion that marriage should only be between an man and a woman.
To the left, that not only makes her a conservative, but also a hateful homophobe.
Religious_Zealot on May 7, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Jetboy,
One more thought – again, not to pick a fight but just something to chew on.
You are a self-expressed “huge proponent of equal rights for all under the law” and a proponent of gay marriage.
With that in mind, I’m surprised that you are not more vocal in expressing displeasure at the attacks.
Surely you understand that more crazy and more vicious these attacks are, the more it hurts and even sets back the gay marriage effort.
So, even if you weren’t inclined to defend Miss Prejean…
…I would at least think you would be sensitive to the damage her critics are doing to a cause you support.
Religious_Zealot on May 7, 2009 at 9:03 PM
I’ve never told you to shut up, or even Perez Hilton. You have every right to post or not post as you wish, or ignore me if you wish. And if you want to exchange posts with me about a subject, I will reply as best I can and as respectfully as I can.
However, when I know anyone is failing to speak out against fascist bullying tactics, including you, I get angry. And if I have the ability to do so, I speak out, not only against the bullies and the bullying, but also those who rationalize it away or is merely silent to it.
And no. That does not make you a victim, nor any of the bullies you have chosen NOT to speak out against.
Dear JetBoy, if we do not work together to stop this culture of corrosive bullying, group intolerance and indifference, we may end up with consequences that none of us, including you or Carrie Prejean, deserve.
They came first for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak up
because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time
no one was left to speak up.
– Martin Niemöller
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Good Lord Allahpundit, when there are 300+ comments in the Headlines, please import them. It can’t be that hard.
SouthernDem on May 7, 2009 at 9:14 PM
JetBoy:
Since we are doing hypotheticals, what is your family backround?
Vince on May 7, 2009 at 9:20 PM
The everyday gays should be outraged at the attempts to destroy a young woman for voicing an opinion, rather than casting about for rationalizations for trying to destroy the young woman. A lot of people who are on the fence on the issue might be won over. Otherwise, a lot of people who are opposed will be hardened in their opposition.
ddrintn on May 7, 2009 at 9:29 PM
“But…sorry, gotta disagree on anyone not figuring out that the MSM is going to dig as deep as they can for mud on any conservative activist. It would probably only come as a surprise to, say, a beauty pageant contestant.”
But that’s not the issue, JetBoy — whether people have figured out how the MSM behave.
The point people are making here is that it’s wrong for the MSM to behave that way.
That does bear saying whenever a fresh instance of it comes up. It’s not something to shrug about, that the MSM choose to exact a personal price for people who hold views different from theirs — a price in vicious, below-the-belt public attacks, of the kind that few if any of us would withstand.
If you don’t really understand how this practice endangers the real purpose of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and the rule of law, then I’d have to conclude you’re not very old. That the MSM have no compunction about doing this to Carrie Prejean — while NOT doing it to the people they agree with — should make you question everything they ever tell you. And that is NOT the sort of free press that justifies its freedom — much less its commercial viability.
J.E. Dyer on May 7, 2009 at 9:29 PM
What is stunning is how the mainstream media is being so blatant in their backing these unbelievably vicious beyond words attacks against this one woman.
With the notable exception of Fox News, not one news agency or organization is doing anything to defend this woman and her right to speak her mind, and instead is literally leading the charge to see her destroyed.
What has happened to journalism in this country is mind staggering, if not morally shameful. There are no more ethics in journalism. Instead there was diseased minds using equally diseased words to belittle, humiliate, ruin, and destroy the lives of decent, innocent people.
It is truly sickening.
pilamaye on May 7, 2009 at 9:39 PM
The Liberal Search and Destroy Missions continue,
on the Right!
canopfor on May 7, 2009 at 9:49 PM
What is sad is those supporting same-sex marriage don’t realize is they are loosing support with these hit jobs, attacks and violence here in CA, not gaining it.
JeffinSac on May 7, 2009 at 9:55 PM
It’s nice of all the women’s groups to come out and publicly support a young woman being attacked from all directions.
PatMac on May 7, 2009 at 9:59 PM
You are not a victim. You are an aider and abettor of perpetrators attacking a victim and in that process are one yourself. No one has taken away your free speech, however you are using it to dig yourself and the cause you purport to advocated into the ground. Wake up man.
MB4 on May 7, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Yes, they sure have come through in the pinch, haven’t they.
MB4 on May 7, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Many of them sure do seem to relish this case more than most though.
There you go again.
- Ronald Reagan
You really can’t help yourself, can you. No question mark, as that was rhetorical.
MB4 on May 7, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Pfffft. They haven’t had any credibility since the Paula Jones thing.
ddrintn on May 7, 2009 at 10:14 PM
JetBoy on May 7, 2009 at 8:41 PM
IOW, anything goes?
Bobbertsan on May 7, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Gypsys, Tramps and Thieves.
He was born in the wagon of a traveling show
His momma used to run from all the insults of women that her hubby would throw
His Poppa would do as much damage as he could
Preach a little damnation
Sell a couple bottles of beauty queens are no good
MB4 on May 7, 2009 at 10:24 PM
First, marriage (the civil/legal kind) is a priviledge, not a right; it is granted only to two people who meet certain legal requirements (age, blood tests, not kindred, etc…)
Gays want this priveledge extended to them, so that they can enjoy the legally extended benefits, without having to take extra steps that heterosexual couples enjoy, without having to take any extra legal steps.
In this context, it seems pretty reasonable.
Second, everyone needs to appologize to JetBoy; his posts are always reasonable, polite, and on-topic.
massrighty on May 7, 2009 at 10:24 PM
It is not reasonable at all. The extremists among the gays want to change the definition of marriage, a definition held by the vast majority of human beings for thousands of years. Let them come up with their own damned institution.
I highly recommend that you don’t hold your prissy breath.
MB4 on May 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM
One post, and I get to be “prissy?” Nice move – getting to know any little thing about me, before you start labeling.
Here’s my point, in case you missed it – gays want the legal protections and priviledges afforded by marriage.
massrighty on May 7, 2009 at 10:36 PM
I fail to see how expressing an opinion makes one an “activist”. It doesn’t. It’s an excuse.
ddrintn on May 7, 2009 at 10:36 PM
What privileges? Or, what privileges that civil unions wouldn’t convey?
ddrintn on May 7, 2009 at 10:37 PM
MB4:
And at night,
all the men would come around,
and lay their money down…
You, sir, are one fine comic…
…and gunslinger.
Saltysam on May 7, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Carrie walked into the valley
With honor clutched in her hand
She was only a girl, but she knew
Against the tyrants, someone must take a stand
There will always be a valley
Always mountains one must scale
There will always be vile waters
Which someone must sail
PercyB on May 7, 2009 at 10:40 PM
I didn’t say the same priviledges would not be conveyed by civil unions…
The right to have property conveyed upon the death of a spouse.
The right, without challenge, to make certain “end of life” decisions about a spouse.
The tax advantages normally conveyed in a marriage.
Personally, I’d like to see civil unions, as a means to convey these priviledges. That doesn’t make everyone (on either side of this debate) happy, but it would put these priviledges within reach of Gay couples.
Back to my original point; Marriage (of the civil kind) does convey certain benefits – I don’t see why the civil benefits should not be available to Gays.
massrighty on May 7, 2009 at 10:44 PM
No, they don’t.
They could easily do this without offending, attacking, and maligning.
What they want, more than anything else, is force the nation to make no distinction at all between marriage and homosexual unions by using the iron fist.
Anything else is unacceptable to them. Period.
Saltysam on May 7, 2009 at 10:45 PM
In terms of the more militant gays (who hijack the issue, and get all the attention) you’re right.
massrighty on May 7, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Perfectly stated, well done.
Knucklehead on May 7, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Enough already. No more pagents! They are too hateful and political!
I think Carrie would do good to write a book about:
– the Politics of the Pageant
– What the girls go through and what is expected of them and their families.
will sass u on May 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM
The following “little thing”, yours I believe, sounds rather “prissy” to me.
Particularly as you put it all in bold.
MB4 on May 7, 2009 at 11:00 PM
But really though, what is it with the left and their desire to destroy nice-looking women who don’t agree with them?
ddrintn on May 7, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Cause the only nice-looking women on the left work in Porn!
There are no decent-looking liberal women
– Helen Thomas
– Rosy O’donnel
– Joan Bloward
– Hillary Clinton
– Janet Reno
– Janet Napolotono
– Michele Obama
– Rachal “pat” Maddow
will sass u on May 7, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Gunslinger, gunslinger, where do you ride?
What do you fight for today?
When folks need a hand, you’re on their side
Gunslinger, gunslinger, ride!
PercyB on May 7, 2009 at 11:04 PM
As I posted to JetBoy himself, if you can tell me anything I posted that was incorrect, I will happily correct it and apologize.
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM
They own the movement and run the lobby.
They are the leadership.
It’s not just media attention to the loudest shouters.
Up until this attack upon marriage, I have always vocally defended gays.
Now, all I see is a group of hostile and arrogant juveniles.
Saltysam on May 7, 2009 at 11:13 PM
And the silence from the vast majority of homosexuals is deafening, speaking volumes of the power these tactics have over people.
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Well they, as well as other defenders of their position, are successful in presenting this as an equal rights issue. It has been framed in the context of “discrimination” and therefore, no discussion on any other level can be tolerated.
The MSM has become the vaudeville act of the first amendment.
Saltysam on May 7, 2009 at 11:26 PM
That’s it in a nutshell. But to hear folks like JB talk, they’re victims.
Any respectable gay person who doesn’t take a stand and defend this young woman is a coward.
Knucklehead on May 7, 2009 at 11:26 PM
What did I write that was incorrect or impolite? Or, was it too many words, or too many posts, or something else?
Other than avoiding these threads, I have no idea how to deal with these issues other than as I did.
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 11:38 PM
Fags have four states now…pick one…and stay there! I don’t want you around my kids or family. I don’t like them and the majority are rude, inconsiderate, and very rude. They are entirely based upon self.
will sass u on May 7, 2009 at 11:41 PM
I had meant to address your previous post, but lost my train of thought, so I’ll try again. Old age sucks, doesn’t it?
You’ve said nothing wrong, you posted nothing wrong and handled all of your posts with calm and dignity. Much better than I have. I too have avoided all of these threads about Miss Prejean, but after the latest smear job, it pushed me over the edge.
It’s bad enough that we have a man sitting in White House who’s main goal is to destroy this country, but now we have to deal with these far left loons.
Has Janet Napalitano listed these haters as extremists who need to be watched? My ex was a homicide detective who handled several murders of gay men by gay men. He told me the crime scenes were the most vicious killings he’d ever seen….and he’d seen alot.
Keep your chin up and be proud of the way you handled yourself today. You have nothing to be ashamed of.
Knucklehead on May 7, 2009 at 11:52 PM
Too many points.
Saltysam on May 7, 2009 at 11:56 PM
But to be fair – isn’t that pic with Amanda and the nude pics before she became a born again Christian and joined the huge Church?
Didn’t she have a religious intervention along the way?
AprilOrit on May 7, 2009 at 11:59 PM
Allot of times – I’ve found in NYC – girls get their you know what in a ringer about gay men because their boyfriend may have jumped the fence. I have had a few friends over the years who dated fence jumpers, so has my sister-in-law.
But I guess if your father is one, it’s even worse.
AprilOrit on May 8, 2009 at 12:03 AM
Thanks very much for your comment.
I’d say my self-doubt is due to my Catholic upbring, but I wasn’t brought up Catholic. I became Catholic due to my guilt!
Getting old is a reminder of our limitations. We live in interesting times. And I wish that much could be simpler. So many challenges, so little time left.
Loxodonta on May 8, 2009 at 12:05 AM
I only have one. It’s at the top of my head.
Loxodonta on May 8, 2009 at 12:12 AM
It’s nobody’s damn business either way. She’s not running for political office. Neither is her father, as far as I know.
ddrintn on May 8, 2009 at 12:19 AM
There is a fine line between male homosexuality and pure misogyny, as well. (I’m not saying all male homosexuals hate women)
If you have the stomach for it, watch the French movie Irreversible for an artistic portrayal. Be forewarned, though, it is a very disturbing movie. I can’t emphasize enough that you must have a strong will to watch it without closing your eyes.
It makes an interesting commentary on the “beta” male too.
Saltysam on May 8, 2009 at 12:23 AM
But she did break some pagent rules – you are not supposed to have any of those types of pictures in your past.
Why was she not forthcoming with the truth? She signed a contract.
AprilOrit on May 8, 2009 at 12:31 AM
Hawkdriver! Be safe. Be smart. Be successful. Prayers for you and all in harms way devoting themselves to defending America.
Loxodonta on May 8, 2009 at 12:35 AM
Bring it up with your friend Arlen.
Maybe he can have a Congressional investigation…
…if he can get himself a committee chair.
Saltysam on May 8, 2009 at 12:35 AM
Oh, my. The girl MUST be destroyed…she VIOLATED A CONTRACT!!!!!!!
Bullshit.
ddrintn on May 8, 2009 at 12:39 AM
In opther words, that might be grounds for disqualifying her from the pageant, but it’s hardly a good excuse to destroy her, don’t you think?
ddrintn on May 8, 2009 at 12:45 AM
In human intercourse the tragedy begins,
not when there is misunderstanding about words,
but when silence is not understood.
– Henry David Thoreau
Loxodonta on May 8, 2009 at 12:52 AM
You did just fine. A man who defends womanhood against thugs need never second guess himself no matter how uncomfortable he may have made the thugs feel.
You weren’t born to walk on water
You weren’t born to sack and slaughter
But on your soul, you weren’t born
To stoop to those who would make a woman knuckle under
PercyB on May 8, 2009 at 12:53 AM
That link is photoshopped.
platypus on May 8, 2009 at 1:06 AM
Jetboy, get over yourself. I have been seeing your posts whenever this or any similar issues come up. You are a liar! You are not or have never been discriminated against in any way unless you count any normal day to day activities in different settings with different people who may not agree with you. Wow, big deal. One time I went and bought cigarettes at a store cause it’s the cheapest, knowing full well it was a “black” store, I was told to “leave white boy” by a woman cause I just happened to be in front of her in line. Sorry, your argument doesn’t hold water and I could care less. We all are discriminated against in one way or the other.
FlyoverJ-HawkFan on May 8, 2009 at 1:15 AM
I’ve asked a few times but never been given a straight answer. I’d like to pose my question to anyone but if you identify yourself as gay that might add clarity to this issue.
Question: If a person takes the position that homosexual behavior is a deviant practice does that person automatically become a homophobe?
Question: What if a person doesn’t take a position on homosexuality but opposes so-called gay marriage? Is that person a homophobe?
Question: If a person does not fear gays but takes one or both of the aforementioned positions is it possible for the person to still be labeled a homophobe?
Mormon Doc on May 8, 2009 at 2:35 AM
Observing the unfolding Hilton/Prejean skirmish it is clear that Hilton and those like him (Hilton does not represent all gays) are escalating the attacks on Prejean and are attacking her not simply because of what she said about gay marriage – but in great part because she is a woman.
These increasingly disturbing attacks are of the same pattern as Andrew Sullivan’s bizarre and equally disturbing attack on Sarah Palin vis-a-vis her infant child Trig.
That the attacks on these two women escalated so rapidly beyond the subject of political disagreement into truly disturbing personal assaults specifically designed to degrade them as women is telling.
And now every day we see more Hilton-esque sycophants, especially in the media, celebrate the attacks and add even more bile and hate to the mix.
Each one of them willingly and joyously joining the mob that is effectively raping Ms. Prejean.
DrDeano on May 8, 2009 at 2:45 AM
Sounds like a typical America divorce
entagor on May 8, 2009 at 3:58 AM
My internet is back up and I’m pissed I couldn’t post another comment on a headline thread before it went out.
Here’s the bottom line with the Prejean affair. No one has lived a perfect life. Not her or her parents. But the liberals control what we hear and how we hear it. If you haven’t been in the service but support the war, you’re a chickenhawk. Anyone is allowed to say screw Bush and screw the war if you haven’t served, but God help the poor soul that gets on the medias bad side for thinking going to war had a purpose. Or for having the audacity to believe the term marriage applies to only a man and a woman.
It’s like you have to have lived a perfect life to espouse the tenets of goodness. Or your parents have had to have lived perfect lives. I think of myself as a pretty rough around the edges Christian, but I am one. It doesn’t matter what they say, I just am. If I don’t live up to the liberal standards of what they demand a Christian be, then too bad, so sad. Screw em. Miss California spoke her mind and that’s a criminal offense to the new Mindset Police.
If we as Conservatives say, “Oh Gee, you can almost see her boobies, she must be a whore and not worthy to speak in our behalf or to our point of view”, then we deserve anything that they do to us because we’re not worthy of someone like her speaking to our principles. Or my God, get wrapped around the axle about her parents. The same held true with Palin. It was a liberal condition that they had to be perfect. We just adopted it. And all you good Conservatives better get ready for more. Because anyone who steps forward and states their opinion or looks like a descent front runner to go up against their guys in an election will be destroyed.
It doesn’t work that way with their own. Riddle me this. Why does Alec Baldwin, who “is” a fat pig, get away with calling his daughter a “pig” on a recorded telephone conversation where he berated her to tears have the right to do radio PSAs talking about how wonderful the vegetarian life is for our kids as far as their health and well being? I’ve heard both the phone recording and the radio PSA. I repeat, he’s fat and treats his own kid like crap. We have to bite our lips at these hypocrisies as we let them destroy anyone from the Conservative Community who dares to speak out and Holy Crap, not be perfect. The left doesn’t care about the checkered past of anyone who thinks like they do. Why the hell should we? That woman is only human. Like Sarah Palin was. And I’ll tell you what, if Conservative men don’t grow some and start speaking out, we’re lost already. There should be podium pounding statements coming from every Conservative man in the public eye. Cowards.
We are such a sad lot of losers if we let the media and the gay community destroy this woman.
hawkdriver on May 8, 2009 at 6:14 AM
Thank you for standing up and speaking out.
It is not the critic who counts;
not the one who points out
how the strong person stumbles,
or where the doer of deeds
could have done them better.
The credit belongs to the person
who is actually in the arena,
whose face is marred by
the dust and sweat and blood;
who strives valiantly;
who errs,
and comes short again and again,
because there is no effort
without error and shortcoming;
but who does actually strive
to do the deeds;
who knows the great enthusiasms,
the great devotions;
who spends himself in a worthy cause;
who at the best knows in the end
the triumph of high achievement,
and who at the worst,
if he fails,
at least fails while daring greatly,
so that his place shall never be
with those cold and timid souls
who know neither victory nor defeat.
– Theodore Roosevelt
Loxodonta on May 8, 2009 at 7:48 AM
I was not condoning her destruction by any means, again stop allowing yourself to run away with the drama you have created about this girl’s victimhood.
Oh right, I forgot – us jews need to keep our mouths shut and tow the line…
AprilOrit on May 8, 2009 at 8:30 AM
whoops – meant to say –
Oh right, I forgot – us jews need to keep our mouths shut and tow the wingnut line…
AprilOrit on May 8, 2009 at 8:32 AM
Well that was a completely idiotic straw man attack!
We are watching the pro-gay establishment tear her down with our own eyes, and you resort to “what if… conservatives… are as bad as lefties…” and think that actually holds any water?
We all know you have an agenda. Anytime gay marriage comes up in these threads, you try to dominate the conversation.
Are you honestly trying to say that their attacks on her are justified? If so, you are presenting your pro-gay friends in a HORRIBLE light! Tactics like these are disgraceful! Is it really that surprising that there is so much resistance to your cause? Look at how the people on your side act!
dominigan on May 8, 2009 at 8:49 AM
Who created the drama about Carrie Prejean?
Not Hot Air posters, and not Carrie Prejean.
This drama has been generated by vicious homosexual activists and their liberal supporters. And it has been abetted by those who rationalize the attacks or simply remain silent.
Are you more interested in Carrie Prejean’s faults or protecting her rights?
Would prefer for her defenders to keep our mouths shut?
Why are you promoting your own victimhood drama?
Loxodonta on May 8, 2009 at 8:55 AM
Wow, can you FEEL the compassion and empathy just emanating from this? :roll:
Again, let’s set things straight…
…it was the left wing gay right’s activists that created the drama by pursuing increasingly personal attacks against Miss Prejean.
…it was the left wing gay right’s activists and their partners in the media that made Miss Prejean a victim. If they had let it go (or even scolded
MissMr. Hilton for his nasty, vulgar and uncouth remarks), Miss Prejean would be an unknown going back to college to earn her teaching degree.How the left thinks that this is all done by the right is beyond me.
Religious_Zealot on May 8, 2009 at 8:58 AM
Gotta love AA the moderate Republican care troll. She never met a liberal she didn’t like or a “wingnut” that she did. Wow, with friends like this….
hawkdriver on May 8, 2009 at 9:05 AM
AO…
hawkdriver on May 8, 2009 at 9:07 AM
WOW! I know trannys are uuuuuuhhhhhgleeeee, but Amanda Lepore takes the cake. I vomited in my mouth.
csdeven on May 8, 2009 at 9:14 AM
Ah ha! You have made an error! No more posting for you!
Quick! Unleash the nude photos and court records. This wingnut must be destroyed!
Loxodonta on May 8, 2009 at 9:18 AM
I should ban myself like GAL. Is she still around?
hawkdriver on May 8, 2009 at 9:23 AM
No, unless in another incarnation. Some are difficult to tell apart. But, fear not:
adults are in charge now
all is well
Loxodonta on May 8, 2009 at 9:28 AM
Sorry. Just remembered you might not know. Ed banned this troll! Isn’t that delicious? An adult really was in charge!
Loxodonta on May 8, 2009 at 9:34 AM
Stupid attack dogs. Every time they attack Prejean, her support gets stronger.
Keep it up, mutts. Go ahead, turn her into a superstar. She will outshine the best you’ve got.
RandyChandler on May 8, 2009 at 9:40 AM
A. Since when has showing a bare back been considered topless?
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B. Miss Prejean is being attacked for giving an honest answer.
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C. The gay community also needs to stop scaring the horses.
darktood on May 8, 2009 at 9:50 AM
lets see our spokesperson Ms. California..their spokes’person’ Jeanine (barf) Garafolo…
ever notice that liberal ‘women’ (if we can use that term) are ugly as hell???
right4life on May 8, 2009 at 10:15 AM
Science may have found a cure for most evils;
but it has found no remedy for the worst of them all –
the apathy of human beings.
– Helen Keller
But every time any one of us stands up and speaks out, we provide that remedy. Thanks for doing so, PercyB.
Loxodonta on May 8, 2009 at 10:39 AM
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