Campaign to destroy Miss California somehow turns even nastier
posted at 5:00 pm on May 7, 2009 by Allahpundit
Time for ye olde airing of the family dirty laundry in the guise of armchair psychoanalysis. I’m surprised it took this long. Usually the very first bit of mud to be thrown at a conservative critical of gays is the charge that they’re gay themselves and are channeling their denial into “hate.” That line of attack got postponed in this case thanks to the eagerness of pageant sources to whisper about her implants and the ready supply of topless photos, but now at last it’s time. With a twist: It’s not Prejean herself who’s being called a closet case but dad. Classy.
Carrie’s parents filed for divorce in 1988 and the divorce and custody fights went on for more than a decade — it was a divorce filled with homosexual allegations hurled by both sides.
In one of the docs, Carrie’s dad describes a confrontation he had with her mom in 1996, in which he recounts an argument in a restaurant parking lot, where “Ms. Prejean accused me, in front of our daughter, of homosexuality.”…
Carrie’s mom says the “gay” allegations went both ways. In court papers dated May 16, 2000, a report from the court-appointed counselor says “The mother also alleges the father told the girls their stepfather was gay, that all men with mustaches are gay.” The father’s response: “The father acknowledges talking with the girls about the stepfather’s brother being gay, not the stepfather.”
Good sports that they are, TMZ elected not to publish certain other “absolutely hideous” accusations from the divorce papers but felt obliged to note that they exist so that you might imagine how mentally damaged Prejean — and, by extension, all opponents of gay marriage — must be. Note the title of the post, too: “The Origin of Homophobia.” Click here to see how “homophobic” she is in reality. Tolerance indeed.
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What? No, that makes no sense.
For one, it’s not exactly news that children rebel. The fact that her father is conservative would actually help the argument that she’s doing it to make her father angry just like a daughter marrying her lousy biker boyfriend.
But it doesn’t prove anything. Neither does this.
Esthier on May 7, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Thank you very much for posting that, sir.
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Tom Selleck would beg to differ.
Go kick a$$ Magnum!
omnipotent on May 7, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Right out of the standard lefty playbook. If you can’t attack the message, smear the messenger.
ajackson on May 7, 2009 at 5:53 PM
In many European countries that is only a decade or two away. The only thing that’s saving us here is the high Hispanic birth rate.
My advice is to get humping …
darwin on May 7, 2009 at 5:54 PM
As a gay man, I believe it is your responsibility – not just ours – to speak out and stop the slack-jawed moronic hate-filled heterophobes in the gay community. They are fueling a higher level of anger directed at a community that prefers only to simply live their lives as others do.
kooziegirl on May 7, 2009 at 5:56 PM
…………now I gotta go shave.
ThePrez on May 7, 2009 at 5:57 PM
From the headlines thread:
This ceased a while ago to be about what happened at a beauty pageant.
This is now all about what is being done to a woman – a human being – a citizen of this country…
…just because she voiced an opinion (which, it should be continually pointed out, is shared by a “mandate” of people in America).
It is also about how she is showing us to persevere under persecution.
The beauty pageant showed that she had outer beauty…
…but how she has held up and stood her ground under these heinous attacks shows that she ALSO has inner beauty.
Religious_Zealot on May 7, 2009 at 5:58 PM
But I’m only ONE man…..
Red State State of Mind on May 7, 2009 at 5:58 PM
+100 Amen.
kooziegirl on May 7, 2009 at 5:59 PM
If anyone’s curious about how folks of disparate opinions can live together without slaughtering each other, this would be it.
Pro Tip: It’s not by launching an inquisition on everyone who disagrees with you.
TheUnrepentantGeek on May 7, 2009 at 6:00 PM
As ya know, ditto on teh ghey.
And as I agree with everything you said there…Carrie decided to run with her newfound fame over all the hubbub surrounding one answer to one question in a beauty pageant.
She wanted fame…and boy, did she get it. And all the fair and unfair scrutiny that goes along with picking a side…any side…in a heated, emotional, and divisive topic like gay marriage vis a vis Christianity.
Had she simply defended her answer as a truthful, tactful response…which, at the time, it certainly was (she did nor said nothing wrong)…she’d be a victim of mud-slinging.
But she, prompted by some on the right, decided to run with this and go for fame. So in that sense, the sympathy level drops with me a bit.
JetBoy on May 7, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Well, now he has. I doubt, especially as a gay man, that he has any kind of a forum to present his views. They certainly wouldn’t play them on the MSM.
Esthier on May 7, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Geez Louise! These leftists are just crazy!
Are they saying that if Prejean has homosexuals in her family then naturally she has become homophobic? I see. So the more you know homosexuals the less you like them.
Is that really the message they want to send?
petunia on May 7, 2009 at 6:02 PM
JetBoy on May 7, 2009 at 6:00 PM
You did seem to skip over the part where she lost the pageant and then was viciously attacked publicly by the judge….
However, I appreciate your ability to see both sides… that takes courage.
petunia on May 7, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Jet, she agreed to speak for groups that asked her to do so. I don’t see how that’s her asking for fame. She got fame by answering that question. Perez gave it to her by calling her a b*tch and a c*nt.
As I said in the headlines, I think a lot of you, but I think you’re biased here. Had the opposite happened, had she supported gay marriage and been criticized this badly and been turned into a martyr, I have a hard time believing you wouldn’t sympathize.
Esthier on May 7, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Thank you. The sad part of the whole thing is that the treatment of this poor young lady is alienating people that might otherwise be sympathetic to gay marriage. People will reach a breaking point where there will be a push back and that can get ugly.
coyoterex on May 7, 2009 at 6:06 PM
From the Headline thread on this same sugject:
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Bingo!
The MSM is only interested in the far-left militant gay groups. The everyday gays? Not so much.
JetBoy on May 7, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Especially not conservative gays. I’m sure they have some choice words for you.
Esthier on May 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM
1) Let’s never lose track of the fact that it wasn’t the right that made her into a spokesperson, but the left.
2) To a certain point, I agree with your statement about not having sympathy for her. She has embraced being a lightning rod and as stepped up as a model of how to stand by one’s beliefs. Since the left was ALREADY unhinged and trying to shut her up, she absolutely knew that taking up a notch would make the left howl.
3) That said, none of this in any way, shape or form absolves the left of their horrible and heinous actions.
4) I’d love to live in a world where standing up for what you believe in wasn’t interpreted by some as “come attack me with all you have.” I’m perplexed and depressed that people think that being a spokesmen means that they must be attacked.
Religious_Zealot on May 7, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Why is the sympathy dropping? When the wolves attack, which they did from day one, a person can play the role of sheep, or of a sheep dog. I have a lot more respect for her standing up for her beliefs, than bowing down before the altar of political correctness and letting the wolves have their way with her.
coyoterex on May 7, 2009 at 6:09 PM
SOoooooo…
…let’s see if I get this right…
…the folks who so gaily wail away in support of transgender individuals and their “choices”…
…are suddenly sanctimoniously outraged at a heterosexual, white female who might have had breast implants?!
Somebody please turn the irony off.
Lockstein13 on May 7, 2009 at 6:10 PM
And the Democrats, re: Marxists, wonder why there is no chance for bipartisanship in America? Stinkin’ intolerant fools.
kirkill on May 7, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Would you say the same thing about Cindy Sheehan?
Nonfactor on May 7, 2009 at 6:13 PM
I wish I’d gone to law school. At some point it seems to me she has some kind of case for a lawsuit.
First, the contest was rigged and discriminatory in the sense that there was only one right answer to the gay marriage question. ‘Seems to me that most contests have rules about fairness. The Miss USA contest should have made it clear up front that people with certain religious views need not apply.
Second, and more black and white in my opinion, is that she should be able to sue for damages whoever it was from the Miss USA contest who made her medical information public. She has a right to medical privacy just like anyone else and there certainly wasn’t a public “need to know” with regards to her breast implants, no matter who paid for them. The medical privacy rules are pretty strict. I was reminded of this fact the other day while watching the press conference on the Cowboys’ training facility accident. The spokesman would no say what the nature of the injuries were or even much about their seriousness.
I wish some talented lawyer would volunteer her services to help Miss California. This is getting ridiculous.
Y-not on May 7, 2009 at 6:14 PM
The woman who at first decided she was pleased with her visit with Bush before deciding to take up a cause and demand a second meeting with him, trashing her son’s memory in the process?
That Cindy Sheehan? No, not at all.
Esthier on May 7, 2009 at 6:16 PM
GAH!!!! Hubby will be shocked to learn that!
ladyingray on May 7, 2009 at 6:17 PM
cripes…I better put a pot of coffee on…
To answer what many seem to be saying, Carrie IS being attacked. Yes. Viciously? Yeah, it’s getting close. Unfairly? Yep…at times.
BUT…this need not have gone any further than whatever night this pageant was on. Granted, as I have repeatedly said, she answered a question truthfully and with tact. Although I would disagree with her on that answer, I couldn’t attack her at all for simply telling the truth. And she was not nasty in her answer at all. Kudos to her.
So, what ignited this fury…with Carrie at the center of it? Was it really the lefties? Sure, “stupid is as stupid does”. The left is never a surprise in these things. Thing is, the left is the fire, and the right fanned the flames.
Or maybe it’s the other way around…?
Anyway, this isn’t even a left vs. right thing to begin with! Take Prop. 8 for example in Cali. If you were to look at who voted for or against by party affiliation, it wasn’t lefty Dems vs. righty Repubs. The vast majority of African-Americans are usually anti-gay marriage. And the majority of them would vote Democrat.
JetBoy on May 7, 2009 at 6:19 PM
The whole concept of gay male sex is revolting to me. Let the arrows of derision fly. Oh, I ran a red light recently. I knew you’d find out about it sooner or later, so I thought I’d put it out there. I know. I’m a big hypocrite.
Paul-Cincy on May 7, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Yes. The heat is rising. But nobody deserves being attacked in such a degrading manner as Carrie Prejean has, simply because they are opposed to gay marriage, or in favor of it, or simply because they are homosexual.
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Apples and Oranges. Sheehan is anti-military, despite the fact that her son volunteered for the military, reenlisted, and volunteered for the mission in which he died. The analogy is not even close.
coyoterex on May 7, 2009 at 6:21 PM
As far as Carrie was concerned, it was over that Sunday night. Your buddy Perez had his bitch-hissy fit on Monday morning.
He’s the one who stirred this up, not Carrie.
ladyingray on May 7, 2009 at 6:23 PM
There are nudie pics of Cindy Sheehan?
Paul-Cincy on May 7, 2009 at 6:23 PM
So will my dad.
How do you figure that? As you said, she answered her question without malice. Then, it was Perez who insulted her, pushing this story into something it didn’t need to be. Had he not done that, I doubt this would have lasted any longer than a day.
So then she and Perez were on TV the next day, and all she could do was still say nice things, even knowing what he’d called her.
She hasn’t done anything since, except speak to groups who were interested in hearing her.
I’m sorry. I just don’t see how any of that is fanning any flames. She’s been sweet the entire time. He’s been nasty, as has the media coverage of her. But none of that has changed how she’s responded.
Esthier on May 7, 2009 at 6:24 PM
“This is now all about what is being done to a woman – a human being – a citizen of this country…
…just because she voiced an opinion (which, it should be continually pointed out, is shared by a “mandate” of people in America).
It is also about how she is showing us to persevere under persecution.”
It sounds at least a little close.
Nonfactor on May 7, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Carrie was finished with her answer that Sunday night…it was your buddy Perez who had his be-atch hissy fit on Monday morning who started this whole thing.
ladyingray on May 7, 2009 at 6:25 PM
You’re such a left-wing moron — she’s a hypocrite because she answered a question honestly?
I’m certain your closet is filled with skeletons, but that doesn’t stop you from trotting out your pathetic nonsense on this blog.
Richard Romano on May 7, 2009 at 6:27 PM
What a mega hate fest frenzy these pathetic gay fascist inquisitioners have worked themselves into. They certainly don’t seem very gay.
MB4 on May 7, 2009 at 6:27 PM
I fully agree. And in now way do I condone violence against anyone for their beliefs. Carrie Prejean has shown a great deal of grace under pressure. I can just see the actions of some of the gay activists alienating the everyday person, a gay marriage supporter trying these tactics on someone they shouldn’t, and getting a fistful of knuckles for their lack of respect. Heck, I am pretty laid back, but also old fashioned in some ways. I hear some jerk talking to a woman like this, I will say something. I don’t think I am unique in that view, in that a lot of men don’t take kindly to a man talking to a woman the way some of these men are, gay or not.
coyoterex on May 7, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Not at all. No one drug up her personal history or did anything to smear her. No notable people were calling her a b*tch or really doing anything except attacking her lies and her bad arguments.
Esthier on May 7, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Notice how left wing jerks who comment on this site (not sure why they’re here, they never provide any substantive analysis) never ever condemn that slime Perez Hilton for his horrendous comments and purely misogynistic smears on Ms. Prejean.
The world of the left is cruel — they are the ones filled with hatred and bigotry and obsessed in finding it in others as a means of projecting their psychological inferiority.
Richard Romano on May 7, 2009 at 6:29 PM
I call false advertising.
Esthier on May 7, 2009 at 6:30 PM
et al…
C’mon now, you give Perez Hilton far too much credit.
I know I, for one, don’t give a hoot what he has to say. Hi making his little video of his disgust at Carrie’s answer should come as no surprise. By making a “big deal” over it, many on the right were fanning those flames, when they would have died out on their own.
JetBoy on May 7, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Were are the moderate gays who’s peaceful sexuality has been hijacked by extremists?
Same place the moderate muslims are I guess.
MB4 on May 7, 2009 at 6:31 PM
If she had not done the interviews, how would her point of view been presented? Did she have to hire a PR firm to represent her? Or should she rely on the MSM to present her side? I wonder how that would’ve worked.
Y-not on May 7, 2009 at 6:31 PM
I’ve got to go, but I think you’re not giving him enough credit. He is famous. His video made headlines.
And I really don’t see what the right did.
Good day to everyone. I’m off to watch Star Trek with my nerdy coworkers.
Esthier on May 7, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Thanks. That’s what I thought you meant.
Carrie Prejean is neither Albert Einstein nor Mother Teresa, but she’s a lovely young woman who seems to have a good natured character. I’m old fashioned too, an old man, and I very rarely lose my temper. But I did today over this issue. It got me seething.
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 6:36 PM
People ‘on the right’ aren’t looking to find dirt on Perez Hilton to ‘destroy his reputation’. The reason this isn’t dying out is the same reason there were riots after the Prop 8 deal. The militant gay community DEMANDS YOUR AGREEMENT.
The gay community doesn’t just want to live free and do as they please. They want to enforce their ideas on everyone else with force.
This was a left leaning organization that brought up her parents’ divorce. It was a left leaning organization that released the ‘shocking and damaging’ photos (which weren’t but were intended to be and intent is the important thing here).
But you blame HER for fanning the flames? You blame ‘people on the right’ for fanning the flames?
I said from day one that her opinion wasn’t important just because I agreed with her. . . she’s just a beauty pageant contestant. It becomes important when she becomes a martyr.
Again, if you are looking for sympathy, this isn’t the way to do it. . . and I know you are looking for sympathy in the gay community because you want to pretend to be ‘victims’.
ThackerAgency on May 7, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Blaming the victim and/or her defenders.
The analogies are almost endless.
MB4 on May 7, 2009 at 6:38 PM
She just said that she believed in marriage between a man and a woman. She did not even say that homosexuals shouldn’t marry or have civil unions. She expressed her views as her own opinion, “I think that I believe…no offense to anyone.” She obviously is a gregarious young lady with no sexual hang-ups, and has a wish to find her man at some point to marry.
Everyone ELSE made this the big to-do, beginning with the asshat Perez Hilton. Then the crowned winner jumped on Perez’ bandwagon, rather than simply stating that her competitor had her right to her own opinion. I noticed the initial interview with Ms. Prejean’s grandmother printed that she lived in a “mobile home outside of San Diego” inference between the lines, white trash.
maverick muse on May 7, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Have fun, Est. But remember, yeah…Hilton is “famous”, lord knows I don’t know how, but if his video the net day were simply brushed off as nonsense, this wouldn’t be a big deal now.
Again, is anything the MSM does really a surprise? Are the leftie-loos ever surprising in what they do? Heck no.
JetBoy on May 7, 2009 at 6:39 PM
The analogy with 9/11 veritably leaps out.
MB4 on May 7, 2009 at 6:41 PM
1. She’s against gay marriage. – So’s the state of California
2. She’s got divorced parents. – So’s most of California
3. She didn’t retract or deny – oops
For representing her state, she got 2 out of 3. Not bad.
btw: Why doesn’t this thread rate a new picture?
Blacksmith8 on May 7, 2009 at 6:46 PM
Put me in that column. I have had enough, I’ve seen enough and I’m fed up with this hate that seems to now be the gay communities calling card. This is not the way to make friends and influence people.
I’m now looking forward to the Gay Pride parade here in Chicago with my multi-purpose pitchfork.
Knucklehead on May 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Pageants are for fame. EVERYONE involved in a pageant is out for recognition and fame. There is no equivocating that point.
Prejean was attacked immediately following the ceremony.
She had every right to defend herself and re-express her views. That wasn’t for “fame”–that was for her reputation, in order to retain her self respect and the respect of others. It is the OTHERS who fell so far below the mark, insisting that she change her mind to conform to THEIR way. What’s the point? The pageant is over. The winner won. So for the pageant judge and organization and the MSM to pile of the runner-up AFTERWARDS is too imbecilic.
She has a lovely life. THEY won’t let her enjoy her own life. There’s another lesson for NOT participating in pageants, young girls. It isn’t as if not winning is water under any bridge. You’ll be scarred for life because they are vicious “beautiful” people.
maverick muse on May 7, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Od’s fish, if this were not the twentyfirst century I would book passage on the first ship to America and challenge that most foul assaulter of women, Perez Hilton, to a duel.
PercyB on May 7, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Here you go.
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Lets see…Sheehan presuming to speak for her dead son, in spite of all evidence showing that he disagreed with her lack of respect for the military. Sheehan using derogatory language about those that support the military.
Prejean staying calm and being graceful to even those that attacked her.
As I said, flawed analogy and not even close. As much as I disagree with Sheehans point of view, and believe the woman is a total tool, she has the right to her views. I will disagree with those views, believing that she, unlike her adult son who reenlisted, and volunteered for the mission where he died, has no real idea what she is talking about. She also seems to believe in infantizing those who serve, implying they are children unable to make rational decisions.
Prejean is not having her ideas attacked, she is having her appearance, past history, and personal life attacked. You will notice that few are stating a rational argument about why they find her beliefs wrong. They are trying to discredit the messenger, and not the message.
coyoterex on May 7, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Perez Hilton, you want to know what you are? Huh? Huh? You don’t, I do, everyone does… you’re the son of a thousand fathers, all slimy little cowards like you.
Tuco on May 7, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Jet Boy:
If Hilton had not called the woman a dumb b*tch and had a hissy fit because she answered the question with honesty rather than kissing his behind….who would have even known or cared about her views?
Terrye on May 7, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Of course. However, self-defense against terrorists is not allowed. It’s an act of disrespect and defiance. You must submit, or off with your head.
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 6:58 PM
These far left activists are vicious people. Like the schoolyard bully, they continue to become more vicious with each attack simply because they get away with, and fully expect to get away with, the escalation.
I expect there will eventually be backlash and pushback when decent people have finally had enough of their garbage. Like the bully they will only understand it when they are the target of vicious reprisal. Unfortunately they ask for it, and I fear they will finally reap what they have been so busy sowing.
I doubt that I will feel any small bit of sympathy for that payback which their viciousness may visit upon them. Actually, unfortunately I will probably take joy in it.
Yoop on May 7, 2009 at 7:00 PM
radiofreevillage:
What are you talking about? I have heard more homophobic remarks from Mayor Barry of DC than I have from Dick Cheney.
The thing with you guys, is that you have this sad little stereotype about conservatives and Christians vs progressive Dems etc and you do not let a little thing about reality get in the way.
I know a lot of right leaning libertarians who do not have a problem with gay marriage, but on the other hand… Barack Obama does.
Terrye on May 7, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Perez Hilton’s pointless life is so low that all other lots he envies. Mercy and justice scorn both scorn him. Ignore him, Lady Prejean, look ahead and pass him by.
Tav on May 7, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Exactly!
And who made a big deal out of what Perez Hilton said? A lot on the right. And then, the lefties had a field day with it.
If people would have just brushed off Hilton’s remarks as the silliness they were, we probably wouldn’t still be talking about this.
JetBoy on May 7, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Lyrics request.
I’m counting on you here.
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 7:01 PM
The press is just doing to her what they did to Hillary first, then Palin, then Joe the Plumber….
and more news today that the tactics are the same as Obama’s administration, now that even more companies are coming out telling the truth of the bully tactics.
This does not bode well.
AnninCA on May 7, 2009 at 7:02 PM
lol…there is some truth to your joke here. Gay activists should be happy that when it comes to the urge to punch a jerk in the nose, it does not matter if the jerk is gay or straight. Now that is equality.
coyoterex on May 7, 2009 at 7:03 PM
It’s hard to believe that the attacks on Prejean could get any uglier and yet…the forces of tolerance plumb new depths.
The comments on this thread implying that she deserves this treatment, or is a moron for not having anticipated this despicable level of venom are as disgusting as the attacks themselves.
She articulated the same position as the Obama in Chief. Why the selective bile?
cruadin on May 7, 2009 at 7:04 PM
In radiofreevillage’s world everything is propaganda. Nothing is what it is because everything is what it isn’t. And contrary-wise; what it is, it isn’t, and what it isn’t, it is. You see comrades?
Cheshire Cat on May 7, 2009 at 7:05 PM
OT…..Breaking News……
Probably not that important to some of you or you may not even know what I’m talking about but…………
Drew Peterson was just taken into custody by Illinois State Police. I’m not sure if he’s been charged with murder or for which wife.
Knucklehead on May 7, 2009 at 7:06 PM
WTF? So you’re saying that Hilton’s rude comments shouldn’t have been responded too, and that Prejean and the right should have quietly slinked away and let that bloated piece of crap think he won?
Phuck that.
darwin on May 7, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Because Obama has an army of thugs at his command and she does not. Such is the way with cowards.
Tav on May 7, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Why allow the left to control the dialogue and call anyone anything with impunity? We have too often seen those on the right take and take insults without answering them, and it has only encouraged more and more vile excrement to be flung. Sometimes you have to say enough is enough. Free speech is wonderful, but there is also a responsibility of the speaker to accept the consequences of what you say. If you act like a jerk, expect people to view you as one. The funny thing is that with all these personal attacks against Prejean, I cannot remember one person who has respectfully argued against her ideas. It has all been personal invective.
coyoterex on May 7, 2009 at 7:09 PM
So the people who claim to be tolerant (Perez Hilton, David Shuster, MSM, blogs, etc.) are totally intolerant of people who don’t share their same views.
SoulGlo on May 7, 2009 at 7:10 PM
Recall that the Chicago mass media digging through Senator Ryan’s divorce records paved the way for Barack Obama to win his Senate seat in 2004. This is just SOP for the Left. The end justifies the means.
Michael in MI on May 7, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Lame thinking there boy. I will remember your quote though because you and I know you will be a hypocrite soon….likely very soon
Jamson64 on May 7, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Jet –Hilton is much like you and you know it….like the racist you pretend differently.
Jamson64 on May 7, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Why is it that so many in positions to do something about this, are instead blaming the victim and recommending she submissively brush off the stones thrown at her, then just shut up?
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Into darkness, into danger
Into storms that rip the night
Never give in, never give up, Lady Prejean
But give thanks for the glorious fight
Never hold back your step for a moment
Never doubt that your courage will grow
Yes, it’s higher and higher
But alone into battle against the tyrants most foul you will not go
PercyB on May 7, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Because they have lost their souls.
Tav on May 7, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Well, ignoring the fact that you’re trying to change the subject…
…let’s first do a little compare/contrast between the situations.
Miss Prejean was asked a question (which probably had no business being asked in a beauty contest) which she answered honestly. In return she more than likely lost the contest and was publicly attacked in the press. Even though she did not go into this looking for fame (?!), she took on the yoke of being a symbol and spokesperson and refused to back down. She has done so calmly and graciously. In return, the press and liberals have doubled down on their vicious attacks.
Ms. Sheehan, on the other hand, had a pleasant meeting with President Bush after the death of her son. After this meeting she even complimented him. However (and bizarrely) several months later she went to the press and complained that she did not get to meet the president. It’s important here to understand that SHE instigated this – she CREATED this. Egged on by a complicent press and supported by the left, she got more aggressive and belligerent and headed out to Texas to “stake out” the President near his ranch. As time went on she became increasingly rude and vulgar and continued to lie about her reasons (still lying about her first visit with President Bush). Another important point is that she deemed herself the official spokesperson for her dead son, but all of the people who REALLY knew him vouched that he was proud of his service and proud to be serving in Iraq. Ms. Sheehan, instead of admitting this, made her son out to be some kind of manipulated, brainwashed victim of President Bush. It should also be noted that despite her apparent grief over the loss of her son and despite being funded generously (she was able to make several trips abroad to such noted pillars of morals and ethics as Hugo Chavez) she took two years to place a tombstone on her son’s grave. In return for her coarse and vulgar opinions (and lies), she became a lightening rod for the right.
To sum up:
Miss Prejean didn’t seek to be a spokesperson; Ms. Sheehan did.
Miss Prejean has been honest and gracious; Ms. Sheehan based her actions upon a lie and a gross misrepresentation of her son’s beliefs and was often vulgar and belligerent.
Miss Prejean has been publicly and viciously attacked by the press; Ms. Sheehan was publicly and viciously protected by the press.
So, while Ms. Sheehan has a right to her opinion and while some of the attacks from the right were personal and nasty…
…I simply can’t favorably compare Ms. Sheehan to Miss Prejean.
Religious_Zealot on May 7, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Well, they were responded to. And look what happened. So why then are so many crying the blues over this fight? Y’all wanted a fight, ya got one. Smile!
Says you. You don’t know me. But it’s apparent that you (and some others) seem to have branded me over one friggin’ topic. I’d probably agree with you on 90-95% of political issues. It’s people like you who are destroying the Republican Party, and conservatism with your thinking.
How sad.
JetBoy on May 7, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Allah makes me master of the world, this I know
For the Koran tells me so
Women and girls we can abuse hard and long
They are weak but we are strong
Yes, Allah makes me master of my world!
Yes, Allah makes me master of my world!
Yes, Allah makes me master of my world!
The Koran tells me so.
But what some gays don’t now realize
Is that when we take over it will be their demise
Say the salat, chop off gay head,
Eat falafel, go to bed.
Yes, Allah makes me master of my world!
Yes, Allah makes me master of my world!
Yes, Allah makes me master of my world!
The Koran tells me so.
Aleph on May 7, 2009 at 7:30 PM
And it’s people like you who’ve destroyed any credibility the gay community ever had. You hide behind the moniker of a conservative, but in reality you’re just a Perez Hilton wannabe.
Knucklehead on May 7, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Heroic.
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 7:34 PM
JetBoy, I say this as a person who values your opinions, perhaps you should consider taking the advice you suggest that the right and Carrie take, and simple back down and let this pass.
doriangrey on May 7, 2009 at 7:37 PM
The “one friggin’ topic” being your defense of the indefensible and your blaming the repeatedly set upon and vilely attacked victim and her defenders. That “one friggin’ topic”!
I guess you would fall into the category of the “extremists” who have hijacked the Sexuality of Peace from the moderates.
How very sad.
MB4 on May 7, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Actually, it is a shame that more gay advocates are not like you. While you disagree with some posters, and they with you, you have made a respectful effort to maintain a heightened level of discourse. A shame that more people do not follow suit.
coyoterex on May 7, 2009 at 7:38 PM
One more thing about comparing/contrasting Miss Prejean and Ms. Sheehan…
After the initial flare up, Miss Prejean has been attacked for:
- having a boob job
- posing for a “semi-nude” picture (like just about every model does)
- the ugly, nasty divorce her parents went through.
Ms. Sheehan was attacked for:
- lying about her initial meeting with the President
- misrepresenting and disrespecting the views and beliefs of her son
- not putting a tombstone on her son’s grave and then lying about the reasons (she blamed the funeral home who proved that she was lying about that)
- for using the death of her son as a means to further her own fame and fortune
- for claiming Absolute Moral Authority, despite her son’s deep disagreements with his mother about her views on the military and the war
Religious_Zealot on May 7, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Their keys are not lost.
But they are looking for them outside,
in all the wrong places,
after they dropped them inside,
on their way out.
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 7:45 PM
There is a reason I value his opinion and enjoy talking with him. That reason is that even when we disagree on the issue, we are able to do so with civility and respect.
doriangrey on May 7, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Wait . . . she was in a beauty contest?
Trochilus on May 7, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Jet Boy:
I don’t care about gay marriage really. It is not an issue I get that excited about one way or the other. I am not homophobic or any thing like that.
But, people have a right to their opinion. That is the real point.
Terrye on May 7, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Where do some of you guys come up with this crud?
Talk about small-minded thinkers…
Thanks, coyote. Always good to know some people get where I’m coming from.
Thanks dg. And tru dat, if everyone just ignored Hilton, this wouldn’t be discussed today. The only reason I can’t “let it go”…albeit I should…is that I’m a huge proponent of equal rights for all under the law. To me, that’s a very conservative idea. And gay marriage falls into that category.
That’s all.
JetBoy on May 7, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Name me one right straights have that gays do not.
You can’t do it. You’ll sigh about how ‘weve done this before’, but there is no legal right that I possess that you do not.
Don’t like it? Tough. But that’s what the courts will find EVERY TIME.
battleoflepanto1571 on May 7, 2009 at 7:57 PM
You have shown indifference to an innocent human being, and rationalized away the vicious attacks on her.
JetBoy, by your own words, you have branded yourself.
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 7:58 PM
yup.
what did he say when the castro district posse chanted “TACO BELL! TACO BELL!” outside a Mexican immigrant’s restaraunt that just happened to give money in support of prop 8
or when those same cretins ripped up a cross from a 75 year old lady and hit her with it in front of her OWN CHURCH (and then the local news said ‘wow, strong words from both sides’)
or when perez called her a B**** on youtube and then called her a C*** on MSNBC (to which norah odonnell of course said nothing)
or when the poor ‘discriminated’ group attacked mormon churches and blacklisted any pro-prop 8 hollywooders
or when, right after prop 8 passed, that gay group in lansing rushed into a church service throwing condoms, screaming at parishoners, and having lesbians make out at the altar?
yeah, i think it’s a farce to pretend that ‘his’ side is anything but hateful.
battleoflepanto1571 on May 7, 2009 at 8:04 PM
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