Buxom gay-marriage opponent fires Army officer for being gay; Update: Video added
posted at 9:27 pm on May 7, 2009 by Allahpundit
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No, not Miss California. The other buxom gay-marriage opponent. The one whose supposedly good intentions are starting to wear thin.
Say, isn’t he required by law to fire him? Well, even if he was, he’ll have a filibuster-proof majority in Congress soon to change that law if he likes. But, strictly speaking: No, he’s not required.
A new study, about to be published by a group of experts in military law, shows that President Obama does, in fact, have stroke-of-the-pen authority to suspend gay discharges. The “don’t ask, don’t tell” law requires the military to fire anyone found to be gay or lesbian. But there is nothing requiring the military to make such a finding. The president can simply order the military to stop investigating service members’ sexuality.
An executive order would not get rid of the “don’t ask, don’t tell” law, but would take the critical step of suspending its implementation, hence rendering it effectively dead. Once people see gays and lesbians serving openly, legally and without problems, it will be much easier to get rid of the law at a later time.
I spent a day with Dan Choi last month, and he is not someone we want to fire from the military. He loves the armed forces. He served bravely under tough combat conditions in Iraq. His Arabic is excellent, and he used his language skills to diffuse many tough situations and to save lives, both Iraqi and American. All of his unit mates know he is gay, and they have been very supportive of him. But he doesn’t want to live a lie.
Choi’s being interviewed on Rachel Maddow’s show as I write this; I’ll update with video once it’s available. It’d be nice to see the president of the United States, for once, face 1/1000th of the heat Carrie Prejean’s taken for voicing her opinion at a beauty pageant.
Update: As promised, here’s the video from tonight’s show.
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“see you uh in 4 uh years Perez and you other tw*nks…”
//Ogabe
sven10077 on May 7, 2009 at 9:29 PM
I thought “buxom” meant “big hooters.” Is this not the case? Have I been living a lie?
Hannibal Smith on May 7, 2009 at 9:31 PM
Barry’s Moobs are if not Buxom definitely “pert”….
sven10077 on May 7, 2009 at 9:31 PM
Yes, he needs to abolish Don’t ask, don’t tell.
radiofreevillage on May 7, 2009 at 9:34 PM
I’m glad I never had to share a dorm room with an openly homosexual GI.
jgapinoy on May 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM
’stroke-of-the-pen’? Don’t know about that. Seems he’s sitting up there stroking something else.
pcpower1 on May 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM
It’s okay, he is a liberal so no worries.
deidre on May 7, 2009 at 9:39 PM
I listened to that little boy’s whole segment, and I didn’t hear him say anything about Obama’s fault.
Speedwagon82 on May 7, 2009 at 9:40 PM
Didn’t Hawkdriver express an opinion on this yesterday, from the perspective of close personal experience?
AnotherOpinion on May 7, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Crap. That means he’s going to appoint Sullivan.
JohnJ on May 7, 2009 at 9:41 PM
I’m sure that sentiment goes equally for teh gheys too.
Do you people not understand that there are Americans who are actively discriminated against every day, and forced to lie about themselves? Does this not bother you?
JetBoy on May 7, 2009 at 9:42 PM
and his pecks glisten in the sun…………….
Colorado Anne on May 7, 2009 at 9:42 PM
You’re that hot, huh?
Tanya on May 7, 2009 at 9:42 PM
Liberal lie #157.
infidel4life on May 7, 2009 at 9:42 PM
To do this, one would need a strong belief system, strong faith in ones self, and others, convictions, and principles. I don’t think Obama has much of these, if any.
I also agree that “don’t ask, don’t tell” needs to go. If gays want to serve, let them.
capejasmine on May 7, 2009 at 9:43 PM
So,he outed himself,this is juicy,for the fact its on
Obama`s watch,can`t wait to see how,
Hope and Change will work for him!
canopfor on May 7, 2009 at 9:43 PM
you mean beauty show contestants and conservative pundits?
sven10077 on May 7, 2009 at 9:43 PM
OH SNAP.
I, however, actually am that hot.
Allahpundit on May 7, 2009 at 9:44 PM
I know I am just feeding the troll, I just could not let it go. Did you not read the post by Ed, mindfreevillage? Do you not understand who makes laws in this country? How ignorant can one be and still be expected to be taken seriously?
infidel on May 7, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Imagine if Obama were: white, christian (HAHA), female, blond, and really good looking?
jukin on May 7, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Has anyone ever seen AP & BO in the same room together?
Colorado Anne on May 7, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Darn it, it is a post by Allah. Sorry.
infidel on May 7, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Yes. Apparently an officer was being sent home for making moves on guys in the shower or something.
amerpundit on May 7, 2009 at 9:46 PM
You don’t make rules based on exceptions.
You make rules based on principles.
Laurie Piestewa (sp?) served courageously & gave her life on the front lines in Iraq. But I’m still opposed to women in combat because generally they’re not suited for it for a variety of reasons.
I’m sure Dan Choi did well as a GI, but generally it would be bad for the military to allow “out” homosexuals to share rooms, share foxholes, share showers with others.
jgapinoy on May 7, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Mocha Spock is considered “an acceptable level of warm” back on his native Vulcan….
sven10077 on May 7, 2009 at 9:46 PM
So which one was the soldier?
d1carter on May 7, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Why the hell is your sexual preference anything that I would want to know about………..?
………. If you want to be a soldier, be the best you can be, but keep your damn sexual preference to yourself!
If you want to be a Doctor, be the best you can be, but keep your damn sexual preference to yourself!
……. If you want to be a fire fighter, be the best you can be, but don’t sit around the firehouse telling everyone how you wish you could be having anal sex with another man!
When will you get it!!!
……. The more you shove your homosexuality in the faces of heterosexuals, and diss us, and protest, and be activists, and march, and walk down the street during your “gay pride” parades naked having sex in public, the more we, or at least I get pissed off.
Just live your life and be an American……..
……. you have all the rights and laws that any other American citizen does,
……… just follow them!
Seven Percent Solution on May 7, 2009 at 9:48 PM
A heterosexual expressing gratitude that he didn’t have to room with a homosexual should be no more objectionable than a heterosexual expressing gratitude that he didn’t have to room with someone of the opposite sex.
It’s no more scandalous than separate bathrooms for men and women.
Kensington on May 7, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Well, I don’t mean to brag, but…
It doesn’t matter.
jgapinoy on May 7, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Is that what you’d say to a girl who was grateful she didn’t have to, say, share a dorm room with a guy at college?
Kensington on May 7, 2009 at 9:49 PM
No one is forcing them. Yes, it bothers me that there are liars.
jgapinoy on May 7, 2009 at 9:49 PM
I’m glad I never had to share a dorm room with an openly homosexual GI.
jgapinoy on May 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM
You’re that hot, huh?
Tanya on May 7, 2009 at 9:42 PM
What’s with standards?
Think public restroom, stranger and tapping foot.
artist on May 7, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Allahpundit sleeps with Obama’s dog?!?!
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 9:51 PM
If it’s considered a necessary military policy by the actual military in order to better protect this country, not really. It’s the military; not the Old Navy store. People of the same sex are boarded together and live side-by-side one another.
amerpundit on May 7, 2009 at 9:51 PM
d1carter on May 7, 2009 at 9:46 PM
LOL
artist on May 7, 2009 at 9:52 PM
So is Madcow mad at Obambi?
ctmom on May 7, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Cough… thats not what KP told me… cough… ;p
doriangrey on May 7, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Doesn’t want to live a lie? What does that mean? He wants a rainbow colored uniform? To sell tickets to the Folsom St Fair on the base? Insists the commissary sell BlueBoy magazine? What????
Blake on May 7, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Let me see if I have this right…
1. “Don’t ask, don’t tell.” was implemented by Democratic President Clinton.
2. “Don’t ask, don’t tell.” was repudiated by Democratic Candidate, now President, Obama.
3. Bush lied!
drunyan8315 on May 7, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Here is Hawkdriver’s post.
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 9:55 PM
It’s a volunteer military.
If you can’t follow the regs, you aren’t fit.
Go home.
profitsbeard on May 7, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Ever since Carrie came along, Allah’s all but forgotten about KP me thinks…
JetBoy on May 7, 2009 at 9:56 PM
GOOD ONE!!!!!!!
BO probably been shipped back to Martha’s Vineyard after the wonderful photo op.
Colorado Anne on May 7, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Another-self hating gay! We are everywhere!
SouthernGent on May 7, 2009 at 9:56 PM
If don’t ask, don’t tell is abandoned, what’s going to happen to these excellent drill instructor motivators (NSFW)?
Sgt. Hartman on May 7, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Excuse me……….
………. but can you please give an example where you have to “lie about themselves” every day?
If I go up to an attractive female, and tell her that I find her attractive, I would like to get to know her, and offer my phone number………..
……… I am open to a charge of “Sexual Harassment”.
If a homosexual comes up to me and tells me that I am attractive, would like to get to know me, and offers a phone number and I refuse……….
……….. I am open to a charge of a “Hate Crime”!
Seven Percent Solution on May 7, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Thanks Loxodonta!
catlady on May 7, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Na, AP curls up on a quivering ball of tormented emotions at the mere thought of a hot Christian Woman… ;p
doriangrey on May 7, 2009 at 9:58 PM
First, you’d have a huge drop in enlistment of straights.
Then you’d see a huge amount of enlistment by homosexuals.
So they’ll go from 2% of the population to 20% of the military.
Then you’ll have orgies, “gay military pride” parades, cross-dressing, homosexuals flirting with straights, & who knows what else.
And the 80% straight will shrink to 50%, & so on…
jgapinoy on May 7, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Why did this officer go on a far-left TV station?
Oh, right.
artist on May 7, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Impeach the homophobe, racist George W. Bush!!
Wait. What?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on May 7, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Wasn’t it about an honest to goodness ‘Rump Ranger’?
Don’t hate me J/B, it was just too easy.
thomasaur on May 7, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Nothing to see here, move along…..
doriangrey on May 7, 2009 at 10:01 PM
You know, I don’t want to hear about either sexes prowness or conquests over the water cooler the next morning. I don’t care about them, (gay or straight) I just want to know if you are going to do your f**cking job today.
And whoever said earlier that this is a volunteer army has a valid point: if you cannot meet the criteria of the job, then do not apply. If the job requirements are changed, then so be it.
catlady on May 7, 2009 at 10:02 PM
Damn those evil liberal Israeli and Australian armies! Why, I reckon that immoral Israeli army shouldn’t even be supported by the US Army, and the ADF? Tell ‘em to get the rest of their troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan before they turn you all queer.
..
.. *shakes head*..
Reaps on May 7, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Well, from personal experience, I have no problems with homosexuals serving in the military. I believe that we should remove all barriers to their enlistment and retention, provided they meet the established criteria for all servicemen and women.
I have over 5K hours of combat aircrew time with the US Navy. I served alongside two men who were both gay. Everyone in the squadron knew they were gay. Nobody cared. they were consummate professionals, and both were my friends. One was a roommate. I trusted them with my life, as they trusted me with theirs.
The point is that neither openly admitted they were gay, or expected to be treated any different because of that. Both told ME of their orientation, but to my mind, it was a non-starter. As long as they showed up to work, knew their jobs and were squared away, that was all that mattered. I knew I could trust them and they could trust me.
There was a time when blacks weren’t allowed to serve, and then, when admitted, were kept apart from whites. there was a time when women weren’t allowed to serve.
I’ve seen the pointy end of the spear. I’ve lost good and close friends. To my mind, if you are a citizen and wish to serve and meet the proper requirements, then that is all that should matter.
Other’s mileage may vary. I understand that. However, I’ve been there and this is just the way I see things.
respects,
AW1 Tim on May 7, 2009 at 10:04 PM
I know from experience that most places in NY have window AC units you can use to solve that problem.
Snowed In on May 7, 2009 at 10:05 PM
My question exactly. I did not watch the interview because I will never support msnbc, but if the guy loves the military, performs well in battle and truly wants to be the best soldier possible, where does his sexuality come in? Are all the straight soldiers constantly talking about women and sex with women and hooting and hollering at the women like perverts and he’s uncomfortable having to join in? Where in the job of soldier does it state that you have to act your sexual preference? I thought it was about working and fighting as a extremely disciplined team. What is the deal here?
Spectreman on May 7, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Well, for starters, Michelle would be wondering what in the world happened…
Snowed In on May 7, 2009 at 10:06 PM
if you’re too overtly hetero you get nailed for sexual harassment by the girls you don’t hit on for “bad command climate”….
fun stuff…
sven10077 on May 7, 2009 at 10:07 PM
I thought it was about working and fighting as a extremely disciplined team. What is the deal here?
Spectreman on May 7, 2009 at 10:05 PM
He is an Army of one.
artist on May 7, 2009 at 10:08 PM
No, what bothers me is that people think I am interested in anyone’s sex life. Seriously people get over yourselves. (That’s an all inclusive generic “people” not aim at anyone specific.)
Cindy Munford on May 7, 2009 at 10:08 PM
I don’t think it’s particularly brave to get yourself kicked out of the military by proclaiming your homosexuality. I think it’s far more honorable to concede that there are far reaching implications for military personnel to be open about their sexual orientation and if an individual can’t reconcile themselves with that, to resign.
lowandslow on May 7, 2009 at 10:08 PM
Self-righteous preening really doesn’t improve the existing tension on this issue, JB. Sorry to sound harsh, but what O’Bonehead is facing on gays in the military is the same thing Clinton faced: he wants to be a good little liberal and impose his ignorant viewpoint on the people who volunteer to take up arms, risk their lives, and defend the country, but he has not one single idea what goes through their minds. He didn’t serve; he doesn’t know which end of a rifle the bullets come out of; and he’s never sacrificed anything or risked his life before.
So he has no choice but to take their demands seriously. And they demand a great degree of control over this issue. He’s handcuffed.
Jaibones on May 7, 2009 at 10:10 PM
How does that ditty go,
When your Hot,your Hot,
When your Not,your Not!
Oh ya,and,
If you got it,flaunt it,or sumpin like dat!hehe.
canopfor on May 7, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Bing.
Jaibones on May 7, 2009 at 10:10 PM
I’m very conflicted on it, ex-army my wife is still active duty and I have known good gay soldiers the problem is it is a serious team sport and if gay soldiers are using Perez Hilton as a benchmark for sexual decorum it will adversely impact unit cohesion….
sven10077 on May 7, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Hey… I’m interested in your sex life… If you happen to be female, hot, single and in Socal…. ;p
doriangrey on May 7, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Doesn’t Obama get it? These people have to lie because he obviously does not see them as full persons.
Jamson64 on May 7, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Could you please tell me who these people are? Or do they have to hide in order not to be compared to the likes of Perez Hilton?
Knucklehead on May 7, 2009 at 10:13 PM
AW1 Tim on May 7, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Exactly!! Don’t tell me about your lovelife, do your job, and get on with life!
catlady on May 7, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Could you please tell me who these people are?
……
Pedophiles?
artist on May 7, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Yes, and the Israeli military clearly hasn’t had any problems with that. Oh, wait, 52% of gay soldiers in the IDF report being harassed.
amerpundit on May 7, 2009 at 10:14 PM
For those who become a quivering ball of tormented emotions:
Si dolce è’l tormento
Ch’in seno mi sta,
Ch’io vivo contento
Per cruda beltà.
So sweet is the torment
that I have in my heart
that I live happily
for cruel beauty.
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Great, now I’m gonna have Jerry Reed songs stuck in my head all night.
Snowed In on May 7, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Abolishing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is a great idea. But the army needs to act to limit the promiscuous behavior of soldiers, both heterosexual and homosexual.
JohnJ on May 7, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Wow, a total lack of self-loathing! Unusual and interesting.
Cindy Munford on May 7, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Oh, and about gays in the Australian military.
Problems? What problems?
amerpundit on May 7, 2009 at 10:17 PM
I don’t know what you mean, but there are other posts from him down thread of where I linked.
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Perhaps part of the problem is a matter of perception. People still tend to think gay=liberal, and not just liberal but raging-drag-queen-wearing-ass-chaps liberal at that. And if not that perception, then they’re thought of as (somewhat ironically) super-butch bullies who will stomp around having their way with whichever poor 18 year old ‘boy’ they want. A few people in this thread have highlighted that perception quite clearly already. I’ll go out on a limb here and propose it’s still possible to be both gay and a ‘man’.
“let’s roll”, if I recall, after all.
Reaps on May 7, 2009 at 10:18 PM
I totally agree. Clinton, as one of his campaign promises, said he’d open the military for gays to openly serve. As usual for a Democrat, he pandered…knowing full well he couldn’t keep that promise.
For the record (as I usually have to do) I absolutely believe the military is there for a distinct purpose. And if the military commanders believe that gays openly serving would be detrimental to the job the military is there to do, then I’m all for it.
What I’m trying to say, is that even in these circumstances (or especially in these circumstances) imagine what that does to a person who volunteers to fight for his/her country…that they have to “hide” an integral part of who they are. They fight, and die, for the freedoms of all Americans. Yet, are not free themselves.
It’s easy to see how this can affect a person.
JetBoy on May 7, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Great. Novel way to fight racial discrimination. Paint black people white.
radiofreevillage on May 7, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Well I am one of those things. Settle down, I’m trying to make a point. /sarc
Cindy Munford on May 7, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Dogs just pant.
It’s carbon neutral, too!
Loxodonta on May 7, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Was Choi’s being gay detrimental to the morale, efficiency and combat readiness of his unit?
If yes…specifics should be cited.
If not? Then why the discharge?
coldwarrior on May 7, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Huh? The “liberal lie” infidel4life was talking about was:
My point is that militaries that do have gay members serving openly have major problems of their own with it. Problems do appear to come with the territory.
amerpundit on May 7, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Was Choi’s being gay detrimental to the morale, efficiency and combat readiness of his unit?
…..
He just announced.
artist on May 7, 2009 at 10:22 PM
FWIW, I’m in the military and know two homosexuals that serve. DADT, in my opinion, has outlived its usefulness. Combat arms should stay the way they are, but in the service support branches I don’t think it would be a huge deal to repeal it.
BadgerHawk on May 7, 2009 at 10:22 PM
So, I have a question since some of you folks have served in the military (and thanks, btw). When troops are out in a theater, or what ever it’s called out there, do they all — male & female — share sleeping quarters, showers, etc.? Serious question, I just don’t know.
KS Rex on May 7, 2009 at 10:23 PM
10 U.S.C. § 654
The command makes the judgment call….
lots of gays and lesbians in medical branch…infantry branch not so much….
sven10077 on May 7, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is a lousy regulation for the military. It requires members of the armed forces to lie.
If Choi was engaged in activities that were clearly detrimental to his units morale, efficiency and combat readiness, then, yes, a discharge or re-assignment would be in order, as it is for any disruptive troop.
But, absent that detriment…?
coldwarrior on May 7, 2009 at 10:24 PM
We should be focused on improving training, funding the right military/defense projects, improving intelligence, making sure our fighting force is well equipped etc..
oh and we should talk about if they’re gay too!
artist on May 7, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Is he more gay or less gay than the volleyball scene in Top Gun?
lorien1973 on May 7, 2009 at 10:25 PM
There’s a good reason why Blacks get angry when compared to gays: being Black isn’t a behavior! It’s a color!
Women shouldn’t be allowed to serve in combat (see my comment at 9:46PM).
jgapinoy on May 7, 2009 at 10:25 PM
they do not cohabitate unless there are no alternatives, the rules are enforced with variable effectiveness and “blazing beds” and hyper promiscuity of all stripes destroys unit cohesion rather quickly once in theatre unless draconian measures are enforced.
sven10077 on May 7, 2009 at 10:26 PM
It requires members of the armed forces to lie.
….
Don’t ask, don’t tell.
How do you lie?
artist on May 7, 2009 at 10:26 PM
There are actually quite a few gays that are decent human beings. Being a decent, good, honest, human being doesn’t mean you are not a sinner who has fallen short of the grace of god, but it also doesn’t automatically make you a mentally diseased perverted reprobate like Perez Hilton either.
When I fronted the band Dorian Grey my bass player and drummer were both gay. They were two of the most honest, kind, decent human beings that I have ever known. In this respect I believe you have to see gays just as you would any other human being, on the merits of who they are, not their sexual preference.
In the end it is God who will judge them, not you, me or anyone else.
doriangrey on May 7, 2009 at 10:26 PM
coldwarrior.
Concur. It’s all about the mission, readiness, and trust. If he isn’t impacting morale or unit cohesion in a negative manner, then this is a non-issue.
AW1 Tim on May 7, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Apparently his need to share his personal life with everyone, whether they are interested or not, is more important than sterling achievements he has already accomplished. I don’t understand it but he will the left’s Miss California. It’s unfortunate.
Cindy Munford on May 7, 2009 at 10:31 PM
the only judgment I am interested in in a military sense is the PotUS unleashing ours on the OPFOR….
sweetest female soldier I knew was also a lesbian….she got raped one weekend and the investigation into her sex life by the defense lawyer got her kicked out….
like I said I am deeply conflicted.
sven10077 on May 7, 2009 at 10:31 PM
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