Obama to force Israel to give up nukes?
posted at 9:29 am on May 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The Washington Times reports that Barack Obama may counter demands from Israel to confront Iran over their nuclear program by confronting Israel over theirs. Eli Lake has the exclusive on the Obama administration’s strategy to force Israel under the umbrella of the non-proliferation treaty, apparently as a condition to getting Iran to surrender their nukes. The effort will include India and Pakistan, and comes from a 2006 Saudi peace plan that would leave Israel at the mercy of the armies surrounding the state:
President Obama’s efforts to curb the spread of nuclear weapons threaten to expose and derail a 40-year-old secret U.S. agreement to shield Israel’s nuclear weapons from international scrutiny, former and current U.S. and Israeli officials and nuclear specialists say.
The issue will likely come to a head when Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu meets with Mr. Obama on May 18 in Washington. Mr. Netanyahu is expected to seek assurances from Mr. Obama that he will uphold the U.S. commitment and will not trade Israeli nuclear concessions for Iranian ones.
Assistant Secretary of State Rose Gottemoeller, speaking Tuesday at a U.N. meeting on the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), said Israel should join the treaty, which would require Israel to declare and relinquish its nuclear arsenal.
Gottemoeller has a track record of demanding Israeli disarmament:
However, Ms. Gottemoeller endorsed the concept of a nuclear-free Middle East in a 2005 paper that she co-authored, “Universal Compliance: A Strategy for Nuclear Security.”
“Instead of defensively trying to ignore Israels nuclear status, the United States and Israel should proactively call for regional dialogue to specify the conditions necessary to achieve a zone free of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons,” she wrote.
The paper recommends that Israel take steps to disarm in exchange for its neighbors getting rid of chemical and biological weapons programs as well as Iran forgoing uranium enrichment.
The Obama administration appointed Gottemoeller, fully cognizant of her thinking on this issue. One has to assume that her appointment to the senior position at State constitutes an endorsement of those positions. It wouldn’t be the most radical thinking about Israel from this administration; Samantha Powers, who works between Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and UN Ambassador Susan Rice, once called for a Western occupation of Israel and forced disarmament of their entire army.
Gottemoeller’s speech had to have been cleared by the Obama administration, and so appears to represent their foreign-policy position. The Bush administration and its predecessors handled the situation more tactfully, supporting a “nuclear-free Middle East” without naming names. Why? The position of Israel in the Middle East is unique. They are not just simply another nation among many. They had been the one successful continuous democracy in that region, save Turkey, and quite obviously surrounded by nations explicitly threatening to annihilate them. Israel had to develop a deterrent that would keep a nation of 5 million people alive among 100 million enemies.
Over the years, some of those neighbors have moderated their stance somewhat towards Israel; Egypt and Jordan have diplomatic relations with Israel, but in Egypt’s case only because Washington pays them to do it. None of the rest of the nations in that region even recognize Israel’s existence, and two of them — Syria and Iran — have a long-running proxy war of terror running against Israel. Under those conditions, Israel can be forgiven for thinking that a deterrent is still a damned good idea.
Besides, the Iranian nuclear program threatens the US as well. We want to stop Iran from building nukes to keep them out of the hands of terrorists, and not just those aimed at Israel. They don’t call us the Great Satan out of respect, after all, and Iranian leadership has been just as annihilationist towards America as it has been towards Israel. Instead of disarming our allies, maybe we should just concentrate on disarming our enemies.
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Hey, didn’t turtler suggest that you two get a room?
ladyingray on May 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Following a Saudi plan? You don’t say?
How does Muslim a$$ taste America?
BL@KBIRD on May 6, 2009 at 12:56 PM
Not entirely.
[WP: German election, March 1933]
Read about the passage of the enabling act:
The enabling act was a constitutional amendment, requiring 2/3 of the votes. The Nazis only got 49% of the vote in the election and had to trick and intimidate several smaller parties into voting for this act. The act itself allowed Hitler’s cabinet to pass legislation without a vote in the Reichstag
gh on May 6, 2009 at 12:56 PM
*fastening seatbelt*
GET READY FOR THE RAPTURE, FOLKS!
Now, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, is the right time to bring out the authors of the “Left Behind” series!!!
ProudPalinFan on May 6, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Thanks for the info…I want to be accurate.
ladyingray on May 6, 2009 at 1:00 PM
I guess you think the virulent anti-bush people should set the level of discourse.
I am talking about his approval numbers. progressoverpeace said anyone that supports him, so I didn’t just count the people that voted for him. In any event, 60, 70, 55%, the point is that progressoverpeace is calling over half of Americans as enemy of their own state. Which makes from a great venting one liner, but makes for a terrible discussion building tool.
As for the Dual citizen stuff, I really think it’s time to let it go. Obama was born in the US, that makes him a natural born citizen. To make things better, his mom was American too. You can go on endlessly about this, but I would be more than amazed if history writes that Obama was a dual citizen/not natural born/etc.
In any event, none of this has any material impact on his approach to middle east peace.
mycowardice on May 6, 2009 at 1:00 PM
You make a valid point that Jewish votes don’t change elections, but it is the ultimate stupidity and suicidal nature of Jews who voted for The Precedent that is the key.
I have been presented with Dem-voting Jews at many Shabbat dinners, and I consider it my duty to explain to them that they are scumbags and morons who are happy to see the destruction of Israel, after which Jews around the world will find themselves in very dire straights (including the US, as the useful idiots are the first ones purged after power has been secured by the puppet masters).
I have not yet found a single one who could defend their position. They cannot make claims to care about Israel (though, as a solid Cold War ally, Israel has earned that sort of caring, aside from the Jewish issue) and they cannot claim to have any concept of what America is about.
While I’m sure that I don’t change any of their minds, I let them know, in no uncertain terms, that Jews with brains consider the Dem-voting Jews to be the lowest forms of life. They are, as related in the Haggadah, embodiments of the wicked son and will find a fate similar to what the Haggadah describes for him:
And the Dem-voting Jews of today shall not be redeemed.
progressoverpeace on May 6, 2009 at 1:00 PM
i realize that someone is doing all this on purpose. but could every single person working in the White House or in high levels of the Admin be traitors?
were they all sitting around in some kind of sleeper cell waiting for the Manchurian Candidate to be elected?
kelley in virginia on May 6, 2009 at 1:01 PM
Good grief, don’t encourage Beck. When I watch him, I have to make sure my guns are locked away…he has a tendancy to make me want to just get it over with.
(I like Beck quite a lot, btw, but he scares the beejebus out of me sometimes…) :-)
ladyingray on May 6, 2009 at 1:01 PM
This +infinity. Obama isn’t fit to be a butler or shoe-shiner in the White House staff. The self-hating whites and blind brutha-luhvas are demonstrating to us in the most graphic way possible that putting an person in a position they couldn’t get to by themselves, ignoring all logic to the contrary, does exactly nothing to alleviate ‘racism’*.
(* AA actually makes it worse, because then people often have legitimate gripes that so-and-so only got his/her job because of having the right ancestry.)
Dark-Star on May 6, 2009 at 1:01 PM
I was raised to say nothing if you don’t have anything good to say. That being said, here’s what I think of our incompetent new king……………………………………………
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Thanks for listening.
DougDavis on May 6, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Majority spoke in November, and his approval numbers are still really high. Maybe they made a mistake, but spare me the “people who support Obama are enemies of the state” stuff.
mycowardice on May 6, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Bibi knows with Obama he is dealing with a sock puppet.
Meanwhile in the background the puppeteers have been doing a terrible job of being very very scary – the botched Harman APIAC non-event, Soros’ fly-by of lower Manhattan, poorly threatening a hedgefund manager, goobering up the Gitmo memos that were supposed to make Booosh look bad but instead made him look good, the non-pandemic swine flu craptastic event, seriously who is afraid of these 14 year old girls running the US?
Pansies can’t even keep Arlen Specter in line, and they are going to dictate terms to Netanyahu? Please.
Netanyahu will protect the sovereignty of Israel and the security of the region from Iran. The Arab countries don’t want a nuclear Iran – in fact they prefer a nuclear Israel to a nuclear Iran.
batterup on May 6, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Dual citizens are not ‘natural-born Americans’. Period. That’s what the Founders hashed out in the Constitution, back when there was no such thing as an American who was a dual-citizen. They addressed allegiances and were perfectly clear about their intentions.
progressoverpeace on May 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM
mycowardice: i hope that you are actually alive, healthy & can afford to view what “history” says about Barack Obama.
if you live in a city, you will be able to loot until all the food is gone. then i don’t know what you will do unless you are part of bambi’s inner group that will still have stockpiles of beef & arugula.
the rest of us are getting ready.
kelley in virginia on May 6, 2009 at 1:06 PM
It’s the progressive “elite” who support Obama. Most academics and most of the entertainment industry. They have a vast influence over the young … especially when a university degree is required for a decent job. They started in the 1920s(*) and have been pushing the culture left ever since.
(*) earlier in europe
gh on May 6, 2009 at 1:07 PM
Wouldn’t mind having a set and long talk with the turtler, anytime, iffen turtler wants.
And how are you doing?
Loxodonta on May 6, 2009 at 1:08 PM
over at Politico today, commenters are saying they don’t mind paying higher taxes. and they say the rest of us are just whiny.
kelley in virginia on May 6, 2009 at 1:08 PM
I imagine our home garden will be expanded…wish I could dig an underground hydroponics lab, but I don’t know how far I can dig before hitting water/power/sewer lines. 8/
Kind of envy my farmer cousins right now…
Dark-Star on May 6, 2009 at 1:09 PM
Just how old are you? I like your humor and wit. Keep it up.
cjs1943 on May 6, 2009 at 1:09 PM
So if tomorrow Canada granted you citizenship, that would be making you ineligible to become President?
Also, if there was no such thing as a dual-citizen back then, how can we really conclude one way or another what the rules would have been?
mycowardice on May 6, 2009 at 1:09 PM
The French Revolution, which many of the modern left are now trying to recreate. I can’t wait for “The Terror” …
progressoverpeace on May 6, 2009 at 1:10 PM
I hope I do, and I hope the US is able to go through this economic crisis…
mycowardice on May 6, 2009 at 1:11 PM
barack HUSSEIN obama will re-badge the Saudi plan as the Turkish plan and try to shove it down our throat as the new enlightened secular reality for the region. The MSM whores will bend over and squeal with delight as they tell us that the Iranian regime is misunderstood and only trying to protect itself from the evil Zionist aggressor.
nOBama or die
dmann on May 6, 2009 at 1:13 PM
If I were a dual Canadian/American citizen, then, “Yes, I would lose my natural-born status”. That’s how it goes. The same way that if I ever relinquish my US citizenship I am no longer a ‘natural-born American’, though I was born as such.
They addressed allegiances, which I stated.
progressoverpeace on May 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM
So let me get this straight. If Panama had granted McCain citizenship (without him asking for it) during the presidential campaign, he would have become ineligible for the US presidency?
mycowardice on May 6, 2009 at 1:16 PM
So, you are saying that you see no problems with a dual/multiple citizen as our President? Let’s just make this perfectly clear.
progressoverpeace on May 6, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Of course his approval numbers are high. The majority of Americans don’t have a clue what he’s doing, because the press doesn’t report it. The press is too busy gushing about what kind of hamburger he orders.
Daggett on May 6, 2009 at 1:18 PM
If his parents had accepted Panaminian citizenship for him, or that was the law of the land in Panama where he was born, then yes, he would be ineligible.
progressoverpeace on May 6, 2009 at 1:19 PM
Thanks, but I can be quite a bore, too. I’m often clueless about contemporary culture, then there’s all that Matthew 7:1-14 stuff, and my endless philosophical meanderings that can really kill a party or a thread. I could go on, but did I mention boring?
I think I answered you question here.
Loxodonta on May 6, 2009 at 1:20 PM
Right as rain, man, right as rain…and that’s a good thing since it’s been raining here all week and won’t stop! It’s like I live in Seattle or something!
ladyingray on May 6, 2009 at 1:21 PM
According to the Founder’s intent? Yes…
Oh, and McCain was NOT born in a Military hospital as most claim, he was born in a Panamanian hospital which was NOT on American soil at the time of his birth.
He was granted citizenship AFTER he was born… ie… Grandfathered in by a later passed law to make those born in those conditions CITIZENS… Thus at BIRTH, it could be claimed he was not a citizen… and anyone GRANTED citizenship is not a BORN citizen, but a Naturalized citizen… so… sadly, no, he could not be President under the origional Founder’s definitions of the Natural Born Citizen clause.
This whole thing needed to be adjudicated, and not thrown out for standing… so these questions could be answered… but for some reason the Supremes and other courts Punted on the issue.
Romeo13 on May 6, 2009 at 1:28 PM
I think if the person was born an American citizen, either by jus soli or jus sanguinis, I have no problem with that.
And you have skirted the question about Panama granting citizenship to McCain even without his consent. That would make him dual citizen. Would he be ineligible?
(Some people wanted to do that (or did?) that to Elian Gonzales)
mycowardice on May 6, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Do you realize you would grant the whole world a veto power over who can become our President?
mycowardice on May 6, 2009 at 1:30 PM
Then this is your lucky day. Just go outside, lay face-up on a board with a towel over your head. For every second you last, Kieth Olbermann is going to pay you $1,000.
Loxodonta on May 6, 2009 at 1:32 PM
People better pull their heads out of their asses while they still have one left.
The News Media is in epic fail mode. The more newspapers that fold and the more the MSM ratings suffer the better.
izoneguy on May 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM
He has to consent.
gh on May 6, 2009 at 1:37 PM
Wonder if I can last long enough to be able to buy a Vanquish…
ladyingray on May 6, 2009 at 1:38 PM
Which is written/explained where…
(and once you open the door to consent, you also have to tell me how Obama consented to all this dual citizen stuff)
mycowardice on May 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM
And they’ve got the MSM all saying that Barry HUSSEIN 0-Bama is the “Greatest, Smartest, Coolest, most wonderful human being that (they’ve) ever known. EVAH.” And George Soros was the Commandant of their summer camp….
And, yes, I also think that their supporters are enemies of the Constitution, and, thereby, the State. If I have to hang for GWB’s “crimes”, then they should hang for Barry’s crimes.
dmh0667 on May 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Thank you for your honesty. Your position is amazingly ridiculous – that we would have a dual citizen serving as our President, but you are honest about not caring whether the chief executive has split loyalties, if not outright animus towards the US (as many Indonesians would learn in their formative years … the years that The Precedent spent growing up there, while being registered at school as an Indonesian, by the way).
I skirted nothing. I answered your question in full. You are trying to ask whether a country could invalidate an American President by merel;y granting him citizenship, with no basis to do so. The answer is that such a violation of US sovereignty by another nation (to be just declaring US citizens to also be citizens of their country) is an act of war.
As to infants (or just minors, in general) giving consent for anything, that’s moronic. That’s why parents are guardians of their minor children. They make the decisions for them and the kids just have to live with the consequences of their parents’ actions. Being born in the US is just a matter of being the beneficiary of a parent’s good decision. Not all parents make such good decisions for their kids. That’s life.
progressoverpeace on May 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM
He’s not happy to just destroy the secutiry of the United States.
He also wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
But unlike the American voters, Israel isn’t a gaggle of fools.
notagool on May 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM
And you wonder why Australia is planning on not relying on the United States of America to be a trusted ally if attacked………
Seven Percent Solution on May 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM
How many Jewish-Americans voted for Obama, and gave money to ensure that the Democrats were in complete control of the government……..?
…………. Happy?
Seven Percent Solution on May 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM
I have been expecting the US to abandon Israel for the past couple of decades..
the EZEKIEL OPTION has to play itself out…
right4life on May 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM
FAQ
gh on May 6, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Is there no end to this guys idiocy?
therightwinger on May 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM
No, and he pushes the idiocy on all fronts.
Why do you think the idiot is frantic to push
as much liberal crap as he can foist on the American
public before they become wise?
Good news – Michelle Obama visited Sesame street yesterday
and she is still on a high…….
izoneguy on May 6, 2009 at 2:20 PM
If you don’t want a fight don’t provoke one. It is really that simple. Demanding and expecting respect when you’ve shown none is rather pathetic and deserving of every derogatory comment tossed at the idiots, cowards and traitors who voted for Barry H Odumbass.
Not only can he suck my left nut but the lying traitor in chief can take a flying “F” at a rolling donut.
jdkchem on May 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM
therightwinger on May 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM
jdkchem on May 6, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Barry O could not perform at that level I am afraid.
izoneguy on May 6, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Obama is threatening Israel. I’d pay money to see Israel tell him what to do with himself.
AaronGuzman on May 6, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Ya know…. stunt men make a lot of money…
and that would be a pretty good stunt…
So… its above his Pay grade?
Romeo13 on May 6, 2009 at 2:45 PM
If O thinks that we can make another country give up its nukes, then O will think that another country can make us give up our nukes. Idiocy.
HotWeaver on May 6, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Israel: What Nukes?
faraway on May 6, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Romeo13: When I read the quoted text and your comment below it, my sub-conscious kept substituting “Gay Parade” for “Pay grade”
… sorry, I guess I’m just a hater …
Kristopher on May 6, 2009 at 3:03 PM
Without any basis to do so? It’s funny because laws don’t necessarily need any basis. Panama can pass a law that says everyone should jump out of bed every morning at 8am and even if there really is no basis to do so, it could do it.
Granting citizen to a foreigner without the consent of the foreigner would be an act of war? Clearly we must not have the same definition of what “an act of war” is. If a random country in the world granted McCain citizenship, it would not be an act of war. And in terms of basis, if anything, Panama would have one since McCain was born there.
The real answer is that we would not recognize such decision by any foreign powers. They don’t set our rules. We do.
It’s a weird world legal system you are describing.
mycowardice on May 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM
Dark-Star
Not another person parroting the “Carthaginian Peace” tripe:
And after roughly 47 years of German aggression, occuptation, tensions, war, and conflcit with the Bismarckean Empire (and all its charming war crimes) forgive me if I can understand them.
Sorry, but nope. The Anglo-French plan of CRUSHING Germany at Versailles was SEVERELY weakened by Wilson and the Americans. Needless to say, the result was the worst of all worlds: Germany was enraged, in willful ignorance of its obvious defeat, and still far too powerful.
However, it was AFTER that, with the hackneyed attempts by various Weimar governments to dig them OUT that wrecked them.
True, but ultimately these situations were created by the Germans themselves, first by going to war, than for not owning up to the consequences, than for trying to get out in various ways, and finally by turning to Hitler as the selected strongman for the era.
If anything, Versailles should have been far harsher, but it was ultimately neither lenient enough to placate Germany nor strong enough to crush it.
Let’s not blame the victims for the crimes of the aggressors.
Turtler on May 6, 2009 at 3:18 PM
Nope, I suggested that Ernesto and RepubChica get a room.
Turtler on May 6, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Hi Jaibones, you wanted to know about Iran’s ballistic missile abilities, I have focused on this at my blog often.
Official US military estimates from 1.5 years ago were that Iran would have ability to strike USA with missiles by 2015. Pls Keep in mind that those estimates were before Iran put up a satellite in orbit this year, also keep in mind that with the ability to put payloads in space using ballistic missiles one also opens up the ability to drop payloads from orbit anywhere in the world.
pls also keep in mind that CIA & military intel estimates in the USA have been badly mistaken in the recent past, and that the USA itself has drastically slimmed down the time frames for Iranian nukes over the last few years & brought them more in line with Israeli intelligence.. and that Syria’s nuclear program caught the USA totally by surprise when Israeli representatives presented the file in Washington 2 years ago.
Iran is a serious threat, I think limiting this to a regional notion flies in the face of everything the USA until now has been saying about that threat as well, but that is only my opinion.
saus on May 6, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Dear Israel,
Tell Barry to stuff it. We’ll do our best to tell Barry to stuff it too.
Sincerely,
Texas
Limerick on May 6, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Psst…I knew that…I simply “borrowed” your thought…
ladyingray on May 6, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Oh, OK.
Turtler on May 6, 2009 at 3:43 PM
I’m sure Israel will get right on that!!……..Is it possible for Hussein to be anymore of an idiot then he already is??
christene on May 6, 2009 at 3:55 PM
AMEN.
capitalist piglet on May 6, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Obama WANTS chaos. His “remaking” agenda justifies ANY means. Genocide? Hey, if that’s what it takes.
marklmail on May 6, 2009 at 3:57 PM
McCain was born on US soil (military base) that happened to be surrounded by Panamanian soil. Nice try though.
angryed on May 6, 2009 at 3:59 PM
Yes we do. Another country trying to impose their law on a US citizen is a violation of US sovereignty and an act of war. Period.
Otherwise, foreign countries who wanted to hold and/or prosecute and/or force into military service US citizens who are visiting them, for whatever reason, would just declare that US citizen to be a citizen of their country and then do whatever they want to them – as the US has no say in how a foreign nation handles its own nationals on its sovereign territory. But they don’t do that. Why not? Especially since they could just revoke the citizenship after the person has “served their sentence” or been used in military service.
Any country that tries to impose their laws on our citizens, outside of their sovereign territory, is waging war on us. Of course, you don’t see this as an act of war in the same way that you think the US should have no problem with a President who holds multiple nationalities.
So, if you take a vacation to a country and they make you a citizen and draft you into their army then you think that is just fine. Okay. Interesting view of the world you have.
progressoverpeace on May 6, 2009 at 4:03 PM
“not have the same definition of ‘act of war’” – it should have read.
progressoverpeace on May 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM
Bibi will tell Obama to go f–k himself. People in this country need to learn to say the same to Obama.
Phil Byler on May 6, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Fortunately, Israel isn’t dumb enough to give up its nukes. But Obama might be dumb enough to embargo them. I could see us having equal sanctions on Israel and Iran, in the name of “fairness”.
hawksruleva on May 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Do American Jews think this is what should happen? I guess they do they elected Obama. So I guess all that religious talk is what nothing? Next year in Jerusalem? Not with Obama in charge.
petunia on May 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM
O/T – Don’t forget the Foxs News Special Report online show tonight at 7 EDT…should be a good show tonight!
ladyingray on May 6, 2009 at 4:22 PM
just got in from work and I’m outta da loop…subject?
Limerick on May 6, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Yep. The Precedent is certainly going to try that. I believe that The Precedent’s attempts to destroy Israel is what Biden was talking about in his “gird your loins” speech.
progressoverpeace on May 6, 2009 at 4:27 PM
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From Wiki… but they get it correct. McCain was born BEFORE the 1953 law which granted him citizenship.
He was also born in Colon Hospital, according to his released birth cert, NOT a Military Hospital.
Romeo13 on May 6, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Question for American Jews who voted for Obama: What on earth were you thinking?
chipandcharge on May 6, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Exactly. Israel will take care of her own – the Israeli government hasn’t been in the habit of asking the permission of Washington before taking action to defend their state. I seriously doubt they need The One’s approval on whether or not to keep their nukes.
As for the rest of the Arab world – better an uneasy peace with a nuclear Israel than pandemonium with a nuclear Iran.
uncivilized on May 6, 2009 at 4:53 PM
I say it multiple times per day….
izoneguy on May 6, 2009 at 5:01 PM
The Saudi’s, Egypt and Syria won’t mess with Israel. Israel could take them out with conventional forces. Hamas is just plain crazy. They really are on a suicide mission. Iran is strapping the suicide vests onto Hamas everyday.
Israel can wait out Obama. They won’t do anything to weaken themselves as America has done. Just wait to see what happens when Obama’s US aid starts flowing into Gaza.
izoneguy on May 6, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Me too.
ProfessorMiao on May 6, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Can they? 3.5 years from now Iran may very well have nuclear weapons. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Obama told Israel that if they act against Iran without US permission he will bring the hammer down on them.
ProfessorMiao on May 6, 2009 at 5:22 PM
LOL!! My husband does too! But the matter is, he does bring stuff that very few bring up and explain it plain and simple (except today with all the Chrysler numbers).
I am watching right now, and I did wake up in the am pretty nervous without knowing what was going on, till I read this topic. Then I put two and two together.
Fellas, it IS gonna get ugly; no matter what the history or words of wisdom we use. We definitely are being destroyed by the Muslims from the inside out.
God help us.
ProudPalinFan on May 6, 2009 at 5:24 PM
3.5 years? LOL…
We created the first atomic bomb in 5 years, not even knowing if it was really possible.
The UN found a Laptop with Nuc Wep plans in Iran 3 years ago.
The now have the fuel cycle.
Folks are all talking like if you can’t put a warhead on an ICBM, its worthless, but remember the suicidal mentality of some of the Islamists…
Build a bomb into a plane, and fly it one way…
Put a bomb on a ship, and detonate it in harbor…
ICBMs are only needed for DETERENCE. They are short lead time response weapons to an attack…
You don’t really need them to Attack.
Romeo13 on May 6, 2009 at 5:28 PM
Why doesn’t BarryO just order the US military to destroy Israel with ballistic missiles? It would cost less and make all the Muslims happy for a while. Or maybe he can get the Taliban to use Pakistan’s nukes to destroy Israel. Obama is either the most intellectually-shallow president in the history of this nation or a gifted graduate of the Frances Cloward and Andrew Piven School of Government. Either way, we’re in big big trouble.
gordo on May 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM
progressoverpeace on May 6, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Interesting – thanks for the insight.
Joe said something big was going to happen within a year of his making that speech.
I guess the clock is ticking.
Otis B on May 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Sad indeed. GOODBYE ISRAEL if this happens..
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Lets not forget that you get what you vote for.. Jewish vote was 77%+ for Obama.
JeffVader on May 6, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Not sure…but I bet they discuss this!
ladyingray on May 6, 2009 at 5:40 PM
You are giving Iran way to much credit. You don’t understand, when the nuclear scientists in Iran actually make a working bomb then they will probably be killed. Most are held in a hostage like state anyway. And Obama could do nothing. If he acted in a rougish way then he would hell to pay. I would doubt that our military would attack Israel. Look at the lefts reaction to the legal wars we have fought. What makes you think they would give a green light to Obama to become Hitler .ver2 ???
izoneguy on May 6, 2009 at 6:05 PM
The last I heard, the Israelis have at least 400 nuclear bombs with at least some hydrogen bombs among them. They’ve had them for decades now and have never used them. They would have to be very stupid to give them up now, and for the likes of Obama, they would have to be stark raving mad.
MB4 on May 6, 2009 at 6:11 PM
For any history revisionists present-Hitler was LEGALLY elected German head of state not once but TWICE-the first time by a plurality and the second by a MAJORITY. This destroys any argument Germans may have of “Hitler made me do it.”
Revisionist argument number 2. Nazi Germany was a right wing dictatorship. Wrong! ‘Nazi’ is a contraction for the German equivalent of ‘National SOCIALIST’. Germany was a totally government-controlled left-wing socialist state every bit as far left as Soviet Russia.
MaiDee on May 6, 2009 at 6:14 PM
Netanyahu knows that Israel has fought on its own before, and he knows the true uses of smart power as Clinton and Obama do not.
Kitten Obama simply does not have the stones to face Bibi down on this and will simply come off looking weaker still.
As a matter of fact, he looks quite weak just for allowing his administration to hint at it.
ElRonaldo on May 6, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Nukes? What nukes? ;)
Upstater85 on May 6, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Me thinks O has more knees to drop down on… Oh Camel King, where art thou?
Upstater85 on May 6, 2009 at 6:30 PM
Wow. Obama is full-scale nuts .
Vermont Neighbor on May 6, 2009 at 6:33 PM
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