http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~warcrime/Japan/Yokohama/Reviews/Yokohama_Review_Asano.htm

If a movie isn’t enough proof, you really are a loser. Anyway, he is the only one charged with water torture out of all the Japanese soldier tried.

I also learned that we are the only ones observing geneva in stand up tradition wars. None of our uniformed enemies ever observed it. Some just ignored it more fully than others.

So that whole notion about not torturing to protect OUR guys is a lot of crap.

The trial quoted third hand never happened, because Asano was the only Japanese officer ever tried for water torture.

Go search yahoo for his name and you will find out for yourself. You are quoting an author, quoting someone else about a trial that NEVER HAPPENED. That whole story is bunk, but of course you’re to dedicated to being a libturd to go look it up.

Although I’ve been a steadfast supporter of the Bush administration’s war on Islamic fascism, I may be changing my mind about the criminal investigation controversy over waterboarding. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think I’m……

“Actually, we’ve prosecuted as torture as recently as 1983”

Jezzzzz Tom are you really this stupid?

“We prosecuted waterboarding as torture in WWII”

That’s your claim Tom. Please back it up with the names of folks that were prosecuted waterboarding and ONLY waterboarding DURING WW2?

“Actually, we’ve prosecuted as torture as recently as 1983”

Tom, dude, WW2 ended in 1945. Texas is not Japan or Germany, yes Hillary claims it’s another country but she, like her boss, is an idiot.

Fta

This generally included the placement of a towel over the nose and mouth of the prisoner and the pouring of water in the towel until the prisoner began to move, jerk, or otherwise indicate that he was suffocating and/or drowning.”

“That term is used to describe several interrogation techniques. The victim may be immersed in water, have water forced into the nose and mouth, or have water poured onto material placed over the face so that the liquid is inhaled or swallowed.

The media usually characterize the practice as “simulated drowning.” That’s incorrect. To be effective, waterboarding is usually real drowning that simulates death. That is,

the victim experiences the sensations of drowning: struggle, panic, breath-holding, swallowing, vomiting, taking water into the lungs and, eventually, the same feeling of not being able to breathe that one experiences after being punched in the gut.

The main difference is that the drowning process is halted.

According to those who have studied waterboarding’s effects, it can cause severe psychological trauma, such as panic attacks, for years.

Here’s the testimony of two Americans imprisoned by the Japanese:

They would lash me to a stretcher then prop me up against a table with my head down. They would then pour about two gallons of water from a pitcher into my nose and mouth until I lost consciousness.

And from the second prisoner: They laid me out on a stretcher and strapped me on. The stretcher was then stood on end with my head almost touching the floor and my feet in the air. . . . They then began pouring water over my face and at times it was almost impossible for me to breathe without sucking in water

Tom, dude, how much water can penetrate a clear plastic film?

If you guess NONE you are correct!

Notice in these examples YOU provided water is poured INTO the nose and mouth.

“We know that U.S. military tribunals and U.S. judges have examined certain types of water-based interrogation and found that they constituted torture.”

TRUE!

It also found certain types of water-based interrogation NOT to be Torture.

Specifically if no WATER gets into the breathing passage ways!

This is accomplished by using clear plastic wrap instead of a cloth or nothing blocking the water.

Tom, can you read?

It saved potentially thousands of lives.
What evidence do you have of this?
Tom_Shipley

Cheney claimed it.

Obama confirmed it.

You are quoting a third hand account of something THAT NEVER HAPPENED and accepting it as fact. Wow.

First off, you’re not citing anything and passing off your opinion as fact.

Second, what proof do you have that what Chase Neilson’s testified to never happened?

You need to learn how to research things. Look up Asano and you will see that he is in fact the only Japanese officer every charged with Water Torture. Further that it was the last charge on a sheet of war crimes listed in diminishing order of importance, out of 15.

I guess the testimony of this guy doesn’t qualify as “real facts

Because they are not. I researched this very thoroughly. Only ONE japanese soldier was ever charged with water torture. He tortured a CIVILIAN and he used a very nasty form of it, nothing like what we use.

After WWII there was a great deal of official disinformation about prosecuting Japanese war criminals. I have seen the actual charge sheets. The facts of what really happened are startling.

The guy you quote is either deliberately lying or is misinformed. Other exhaustive research than mine also turned up the same FACTS I did. The actual paperwork of the trials and the charge sheets of the defendants have been reviewed numerous times.

MacArthur actually spared all but 15 senior members of the Japanese high command from trial, but many of the worst were set free to help run the new Japanese government. These FACTS were hidden from the American people for a very long time.

SBC’s Richard Land condemns ‘waterboarding’ and torture

NASHVILLE, Tenn., May 6, 2009 –There is no room for torture as part of the United States’ intelligence-gathering process, Richard Land said today. He also said he believes the practice known as “waterboarding” is torture and, as such, is unethical.

Land, president of the SBC’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, said there is no circumstance in which torture should be permissible in interrogations by U.S. officials, even if the authorities believe a prisoner has information that might involve national security.

let’s see those polls in a few months.

I don’t know where you got that description, but the one in Ann’s column is accurate and described by actual witnesses. You know real facts as opposed to politically correct “good” facts.

I guess the testimony of this guy doesn’t qualify as “real facts”.

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123046197

After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the Japanese, testified: “I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure.” He was asked what he felt when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. “Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning,” he replied, “just gasping between life and death.”

You’ll take Ann Coulter’s word over his? Notice how her column doesn’t cite ANY quotes, testimony, articles… nothing. She just says it. She’s saying what you guys want to hear without backing it up with any evidence. No wonder you guys lover her.

Tom_Shipley, Read Anns column. Asano, the only japanese officer charged with Water Torture, did not use the method YOU describe. I don’t know where you got that description, but the one in Ann’s column is accurate and described by actual witnesses. You know real facts as opposed to politically correct “good” facts.

Is there a higher level of fail than epic? We may have to create one for you, doriangrey.

Tom_Shipley on May 7, 2009 at 9:11 AM

You also failed to mention that if this did not work, then they forced a tube in your nose and forced water down the tube…each step in their “process” escalated until you either “broke” or died…and many, many men died at the hands of the Japanese torturers. It is not just the singular process…it is the progression and the threat of eventual death. The difference is the threat of holding you under water for 30 seconds, and each time 30 seconds longer…eventually you would say: But it was for only 30 seconds, never mentioning what happens after the tenth time (300 seconds for you).
Please, don’t even begin to compare our practices with the practices done by the “Japs”, in WWII…you embarrass yourself.

http://www.anncoulter.org/

Ann Coulter discussed this whole “Japanese Waterboarding = CIA Waterboarding” BS in her column today.

Newsbusters has dealt with this also:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/04/24/did-cnns-paul-begala-mangle-facts-waterboarding-history

You know, this stuff isn’t hard to find if you look.

“Do it, but don’t codify it!”

Epic FAIL…..

You should actually READ the articles cited prior to deeming them an EPIC FAIL. I hate to break this to you, but the article I cite is not the same one Coulter (great source!) is referring to.

In this 2007 article they are referring to U.S. Soldiers:

After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the Japanese, testified: “I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure.” He was asked what he felt when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. “Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning,” he replied, “just gasping between life and death.”

Also, in coulter’s column, she says the following:

The Japanese “water cure” was to “waterboarding” as practiced at Guantanamo what rape at knifepoint is to calling your secretary “honey.”

The Japanese version of “waterboarding” was to fill the prisoner’s stomach with water until his stomach was distended — and then pound on his stomach, causing the prisoner to vomit.

Here’s how the US describe the “water cure” back then:

A towel was fixed under the chin and down over the face. Then many buckets of water were poured into the towel so that the water gradually reached the mouth and rising further eventually also the nostrils, which resulted in his becoming unconscious and collapsing like a person drowned. This procedure was sometimes repeated 5-6 times in succession.

Sounds an AWFUL LOT like the waterboarding we’ve been practicing.

Is there a higher level of fail than epic? We may have to create one for you, doriangrey.

Tom_Shipley on May 7, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Epic FAIL…..